On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
a guess will help.

Tia.
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Frederick Williams wrote:
> On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
> describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
> dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
> a guess will help.
> 
> Tia.

Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my 
support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.

Hugh Oxford wrote:
> 
> Frederick Williams wrote:
> > On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
> > describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
> > dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
> > a guess will help.
> >
> > Tia.
> 
> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.

Thank you.  My heart went out to her when she was describing her
experience.

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Frederick Williams wrote:
> Hugh Oxford wrote:
>> Frederick Williams wrote:
>>> On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
>>> describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
>>> dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
>>> a guess will help.
>>>
>>> Tia.
>> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
>> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.
> 
> Thank you.  My heart went out to her when she was describing her
> experience.
> 

My heart went out to the child dying, gasping for air, unloved in the 
bucket, put there by the "medical" profession. What a psychopathic state 
we live under.

On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:33:25 +0100, Hugh Oxford 
wrote:

>Frederick Williams wrote:
>> Hugh Oxford wrote:
>>> Frederick Williams wrote:
>>>> On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
>>>> describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
>>>> dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
>>>> a guess will help.
>>>>
>>>> Tia.
>>> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
>>> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.
>> 
>> Thank you.  My heart went out to her when she was describing her
>> experience.
>> 
>
>My heart went out to the child dying, gasping for air, unloved in the 
>bucket, put there by the "medical" profession. What a psychopathic state 
>we live under.

The bits I heard were very biased in favour of the pro-life lobby and
the whole treatment was tabloid-inspired emotional stuff.

The kid was, from statistics, probably brain damaged.  It was
evidently unwanted.  So what sort of a life would it have had?
Would that life of suffering have been better than the 7 minutes it
did undergo?


Tiddy Ogg.
http://www.tiddyogg.co.uk

On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:33:25 +0100, Hugh Oxford 
wrote:

>Frederick Williams wrote:
>> Hugh Oxford wrote:
>>> Frederick Williams wrote:
>>>> On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
>>>> describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
>>>> dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
>>>> a guess will help.
>>>>
>>>> Tia.
>>> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
>>> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.
>> 
>> Thank you.  My heart went out to her when she was describing her
>> experience.
>> 
>
>My heart went out to the child dying, gasping for air, unloved in the 
>bucket, put there by the "medical" profession. What a psychopathic state 
>we live under.

Whilst I understand your viewpoint, it is this kind of sentimenality
that clouds the issue. I think abortion is wrong, but I think we
should be concentrating on the cause (fecklessness beyond description
- viz the woman in the media recently who had had 4 abortions), rather
than agonising over the outcome of irresponsible shagging.

I would rather this procedure was carried out by the medical
profession, that you deride, rather than seedy backstreet
abortionists. Have you seen "Vera Drake"?

"S." wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:33:25 +0100, Hugh Oxford 
> wrote:
> 
> >Frederick Williams wrote:
> >> Hugh Oxford wrote:
> >>> Frederick Williams wrote:
> >>>> On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
> >>>> describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
> >>>> dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
> >>>> a guess will help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tia.
> >>> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
> >>> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.
> >>
> >> Thank you.  My heart went out to her when she was describing her
> >> experience.
> >>
> >
> >My heart went out to the child dying, gasping for air, unloved in the
> >bucket, put there by the "medical" profession. What a psychopathic state
> >we live under.
> 
> Whilst I understand your viewpoint, it is this kind of sentimenality
> that clouds the issue. I think abortion is wrong, but I think we
> should be concentrating on the cause (fecklessness beyond description
> - viz the woman in the media recently who had had 4 abortions), rather
> than agonising over the outcome of irresponsible shagging.

Here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7306246.stm we read of
people having eight or more abortions.  Given the ready availability of
contraceptives (including the morning after pill) and contraceptive
advice I see no reason for unwanted pregnancy except in the case of
rape--and victims of rape could have abortions legally before Steele's
bill.

> I would rather this procedure was carried out by the medical
> profession, that you deride, rather than seedy backstreet
> abortionists. Have you seen "Vera Drake"?

If that was the only choice then I agree with you, but it isn't the only
choice.

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On May 21, 12:45 pm, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> Frederick Williams wrote:
> > On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
> > describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before> > dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
> > a guess will help.
>
> > Tia.
>
> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.

A name known at www.badscience.com , where it has been proposed that
some of what she communicates should not be taken at face value.

Robert Carnegie  writes:

> On May 21, 12:45 pm, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>> Frederick Williams wrote:
>> > On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
>> > describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
>> > dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
>> > a guess will help.
>>
>> > Tia.
>>
>> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
>> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.
>
> A name known at www.badscience.com , where it has been proposed that
> some of what she communicates should not be taken at face value.

That's www.badscience.org, actually.

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On May 22, 2:33 pm, August West  wrote:
> Robert Carnegie  writes:
> > On May 21, 12:45 pm, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >> Frederick Williams wrote:
> >> > On yesterday's Today in Parliament I heard an MP who used to be a nurse
> >> > describe how an aborted baby had gasped for air for seven minutes before
> >> > dying in a bedpan that she was holding.  Who was that MP/ex-nurse?  Even
> >> > a guess will help.
>
> >> > Tia.
>
> >> Her name is Nadine Dorries. I phoned her this morning to give her my
> >> support, not to  be too downhearted at losing, and she was very nice.> > A name known atwww.badscience.com, where it has been proposed that
> > some of what she communicates should not be taken at face value.
>
> That's www.badscience.org , actually.

Now you've caught it I think it's www.badscience.net - oh, just type
"Ben-Goldacre" into Google.