The true voice of Radio Sneer:
'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things', this from
the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day poem. ('We', being
the overpaid, smug media elite, presumably).

And to counter, 'balance', trump?, the Today programme had commissioned
their own sneering poem, by a chippy scotsman (natch).

So if the BBC are so keen on balance, how about a national radio station for
the English.

On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:21:19 +0100, "Clive G"
<okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote:

>The true voice of Radio Sneer:
>'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things', this from
>the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day poem. 

Ah, but the pendulum is swinging.  Ignoring McBrown's ideas of Georgie
flags, Radio2 had an hour of English folk, and a commercial station
followed that with 2 hours of English pop.

Tiddy Ogg.
http://www.tiddyogg.co.uk

In article , on Wed, 23 Apr 
2008, Clive G <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote
[]
>So if the BBC are so keen on balance, how about a national radio station for
>the English.
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(Why so many blank lines?)

Some would, of course, say Radio 4 is that ... (-: [I couldn't possibly 
comment - genuinely so]
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"Clive G" <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote in message 
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> The true voice of Radio Sneer:
> 'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things', this 
> from
> the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day poem. ('We', 
> being
> the overpaid, smug media elite, presumably).
>
> And to counter, 'balance', trump?, the Today programme had commissioned
> their own sneering poem, by a chippy scotsman (natch).

and wht will the BBC do if a black bloke or a woman becomes president of the 
USA. BBC reporters won't be able to sneer & jeer any more. What will they 
all do?

Tiddy Ogg wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:21:19 +0100, "Clive G"
> <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote:
>
>> The true voice of Radio Sneer:
>> 'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things',
>> this from the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day
>> poem.
>
> Ah, but the pendulum is swinging.  Ignoring McBrown's ideas of Georgie
> flags, Radio2 had an hour of English folk, and a commercial station
> followed that with 2 hours of English pop.

Small potatoes compared to the output of the likes of Radio Scotland.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> In article , on Wed, 23
> Apr 2008, Clive G <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote
> []
>> So if the BBC are so keen on balance, how about a national radio
>> station for the English.
>>
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>>
> (Why so many blank lines?)
>





Leg-room?


> Some would, of course, say Radio 4 is that ... (-: [I couldn't
> possibly comment - genuinely so]

On the corporation's pay-roll, John?

Oxymel of Squill wrote:
> "Clive G" <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote in message
> news:FeednS47-fxqh5LVnZ2dnUVZ8radnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> The true voice of Radio Sneer:
>> 'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things',
>> this from
>> the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day poem.
>> ('We', being
>> the overpaid, smug media elite, presumably).
>>
>> And to counter, 'balance', trump?, the Today programme had
>> commissioned their own sneering poem, by a chippy scotsman (natch).
>
> and wht will the BBC do if a black bloke or a woman becomes president
> of the USA. BBC reporters won't be able to sneer & jeer any more.
> What will they all do?

It'll be hard not to in Hillary's case but Obama will get the Mandela
treatment.
(actually, he'd get my vote)

"Clive G" <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> writes:

> Tiddy Ogg wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:21:19 +0100, "Clive G"
>> <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> The true voice of Radio Sneer:
>>> 'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things',
>>> this from the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day
>>> poem.
>>
>> Ah, but the pendulum is swinging.  Ignoring McBrown's ideas of Georgie
>> flags, Radio2 had an hour of English folk, and a commercial station
>> followed that with 2 hours of English pop.
>
> Small potatoes compared to the output of the likes of Radio Scotland.

Have you actually listened to it? Other than the accents, and the
locality of the news stories, the output of Radio Scotland (mostly music
& R2-like middle-brow "magazine" shows) is hard to distinguish from
other BBC output.  Radio Jock McSNP it's not.

-- 
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In article <48104006$0$47162$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, 
on Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Oxymel of Squill  wrote
[]
>and wht will the BBC do if a black bloke or a woman becomes president of the
>USA. BBC reporters won't be able to sneer & jeer any more. What will they
>all do?
>
>
Huh?
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In article , on Thu, 24 Apr 
2008, Clive G <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> In article , on Wed, 23
>> Apr 2008, Clive G <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> wrote
>> []
>>> So if the BBC are so keen on balance, how about a national radio
>>> station for the English.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> (Why so many blank lines?)
>>
>
>
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>
>Leg-room?
>
(On the _end_ of postings?)
>
>> Some would, of course, say Radio 4 is that ... (-: [I couldn't
>> possibly comment - genuinely so]
>
>On the corporation's pay-roll, John?
>
>
No, I just meant I don't listen to a high enough percentage of the 
output to be able to comment fairly. I have heard the allegation (that 
R4 is English/England-biased), though; like the London-centric bias that 
the BBC - and broadcasters in general - often get accused of, it's easy 
to accuse it/them of, and also easy for them to fall into, though I 
don't think intentional.

They can't win, of course; too many Irish or Scottish even just accents, 
let alone subjects, and there are mutterings. (For myself, I sometimes 
think the plays department does too many with an Irish theme, because I 
suspect they like doing Irish accents; however, I suspect that there's 
not really such a bias and it's just that I notice them more, being 
overly sensitive to that accent.)
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sing." - unknown

August West wrote:
> "Clive G" <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> writes:
>> Tiddy Ogg wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, but the pendulum is swinging.  Ignoring McBrown's ideas of
>>> Georgie flags, Radio2 had an hour of English folk, and a commercial
>>> station followed that with 2 hours of English pop.
>>
>> Small potatoes compared to the output of the likes of Radio Scotland.
>
> Have you actually listened to it? Other than the accents, and the
> locality of the news stories, the output of Radio Scotland (mostly
> music & R2-like middle-brow "magazine" shows) is hard to distinguish
> from other BBC output.  Radio Jock McSNP it's not.

There's no mistaking it's Radio Jock - not militant, but 'soft' nationalism
runs through it like the worsted thread in an Ancient Carnegie of Skibo
caber tosser's kilt. Fair shares for England, thats's all I'm saying.

August West wrote:
> Other than the accents, and the
> locality of the news stories, the output of Radio Scotland (mostly music
> & R2-like middle-brow "magazine" shows) is hard to distinguish from
> other BBC output.  Radio Jock McSNP it's not.

Well... speaking as a Scot, I think that Fred Macaulay, Frankie Boyle,
that girl from Glasgow with the teenage daughter evoked in comedy
routines - Janey Godley?...  they're on the rest of the BBC quite a
lot as well.  At least _Loose Ends_.  If not for that - the contrast
would be with "Al Murray" (on ITV), Johnny Vegas, Jenny Eclair.  Two /
very/ different performances.

Robert Carnegie  writes:

> August West wrote:
>> Other than the accents, and the
>> locality of the news stories, the output of Radio Scotland (mostly music
>> & R2-like middle-brow "magazine" shows) is hard to distinguish from
>> other BBC output.  Radio Jock McSNP it's not.
>
> Well... speaking as a Scot, I think that Fred Macaulay, Frankie Boyle,
> that girl from Glasgow with the teenage daughter evoked in comedy
> routines - Janey Godley?...  they're on the rest of the BBC quite a
> lot as well. 

That does not invalidate my point at all; is Radio Scotland supposed to
a Scottish ghetto? I hear Birminhham, Manchester, and West Country
accents on Radio 4, and they all have local BBC stations, too.

-- 
Situations have ended sad

August West wrote:
> Robert Carnegie  writes:
>
> > August West wrote:
> >> Other than the accents, and the
> >> locality of the news stories, the output of Radio Scotland (mostly music
> >> & R2-like middle-brow "magazine" shows) is hard to distinguish from
> >> other BBC output.  Radio Jock McSNP it's not.
> >
> > Well... speaking as a Scot, I think that Fred Macaulay, Frankie Boyle,
> > that girl from Glasgow with the teenage daughter evoked in comedy
> > routines - Janey Godley?...  they're on the rest of the BBC quite a
> > lot as well.
>
> That does not invalidate my point at all; is Radio Scotland supposed to
> a Scottish ghetto? I hear Birminhham, Manchester, and West Country
> accents on Radio 4, and they all have local BBC stations, too.

Indeed...  But the point originally being put - that actually I don't
agree with - was that the BBC doesn't adequately "do" English culture,
whether on Radio 4 or elsewhere, but mostly.Radio 4 - whereas other
nationalities and ethnicities within the modern United Kingdom aren't
similarly short-changed.

But, sorry, I think Radio 4 is English-centred nearly all the time,
but English listeners don't notice.

May I say that Scots are, in my experience, not much interested at all
in St Andrew's Day these days, and only in Robert Burns because
there's a party with plenty of drink, and with the food there needs to
be plenty of drink.  So having St George pass with hardly any comment
isn't any worse.

Robert Carnegie wrote:
>
> Indeed...  But the point originally being put - that actually I don't
> agree with - was that the BBC doesn't adequately "do" English culture,
> whether on Radio 4 or elsewhere, but mostly.Radio 4 - whereas other
> nationalities and ethnicities within the modern United Kingdom aren't
> similarly short-changed.
>
> But, sorry, I think Radio 4 is English-centred nearly all the time,
> but English listeners don't notice.


You mean _England_ -centred surely,  not every programme concerning England
is about the english, you know. Also it may have escaped your notice that
five-sixths of the UK's population live in England - elephant in the bed
situation, as Ludvic Kennedy described it, which is always going to be a bit
of a problematic arrangement.

>
> May I say that Scots are, in my experience, not much interested at all
> in St Andrew's Day these days, and only in Robert Burns because
> there's a party with plenty of drink, and with the food there needs to
> be plenty of drink.  So having St George pass with hardly any comment
> isn't any worse.


My point, and it was pretty plain, is that the English should have their own
national identity supported in just the same way as happens in the other
three home nations. Another tier, between local broadcasting and UK
national, with a folksy middle brow mix of chat and music is fine for you
lot but not for us, why?

"Clive G" <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> writes:

> My point, and it was pretty plain, is that the English should have
> their own national identity supported in just the same way as happens
> in the other three home nations.

As I said before (perhaps too subtly for you) Radio Scotland doesn't
bolster anything - it's just like all the other BBC local stations, but
with Scottish accents. If you think it does, you clearly haven't listend
to it. Yes, Scots do have a national identity, but it's not the BBC that
caused that - nor is it the BBC's resposibility to inculcate one in the
English.

> Another tier, between local broadcasting and UK national, with a
> folksy middle brow mix of chat and music is fine for you lot but not
> for us, why?

Have you perhaps failed to notice that there is no other tier of BBC
output in Scotland, or Wales, beneath the "national" stations (other
than the non-English language Gaelic & Welsh services)? As far as the
BBC is concerned they _are_ local stations; indeed, they serve
populations smaller than some of the other local stations.

-- 
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August West wrote:
> "Clive G" <okeydokey@f2s.com-nospam> writes:
>
>> My point, and it was pretty plain, is that the English should have
>> their own national identity supported in just the same way as happens
>> in the other three home nations.
>
> As I said before (perhaps too subtly for you) Radio Scotland doesn't
> bolster anything - it's just like all the other BBC local stations,
> but with Scottish accents.

Like a local radio station... but national. mmm.

>If you think it does, you clearly haven't
> listend to it. Yes, Scots do have a national identity, but it's not
> the BBC that caused that

No one has said that. What a ridiculous thing to say.

- nor is it the BBC's resposibility to
> inculcate one in the English.

And again, no one has said that, another straw-man like the 'McSNP' bollox
you posted.


[]

On 24 Apr, 09:06, "Oxymel of Squill"  wrote:
> "Clive G" <okeydo...@f2s.com-nospam> wrote in message
>
> news:FeednS47-fxqh5LVnZ2dnUVZ8radnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> > The true voice of Radio Sneer:
> > 'We tend to get ironic and dismissive about these sort of things', this
> > from
> > the Today presenter after the reading of a St Georges Day poem. ('We',
> > being
> > the overpaid, smug media elite, presumably).
>
> > And to counter, 'balance', trump?, the Today programme had commissioned
> > their own sneering poem, by a chippy scotsman (natch).
>
> and wht will the BBC do if a black bloke or a woman becomes president of the
> USA. BBC reporters won't be able to sneer & jeer any more. What will they
> all do?

It will like this: 'Winds of change are blowing through
America' (Hillary's writing bigger benefit checks and making a big
government. The whole petulant tone towards America will slow down - a
bit. But then they'll realise that Hillary, like Gordon, can't quite
get out of Iraq or Afghanistan so they can comprehensively wallow in
the fuck ups of Bush and Rummy. But it's what will be going on here
that will be funny. Because as/if America turns Left, Britain in a
small way will likely turn Right, if Boris's Assumption is a weather
cock. Take note: recall how Ken had eight years of total and full-on
media fellatio? They'll turn on Boris and viciously. All the many
black teens that were stabbed, shot and beaten to death on Ken's watch
will be forgotten, but at the first sign of proper policing and the
likely explosion it will cause in our more truculent fellow citizens,
Boris will be savaged by the middle class left media. But the stabbing
figures will go down.
Go to Coral and get them to take your money on it - it's what's going
to happen.

"Oxymel of Squill"  writes:

> and wht will the BBC do if a black bloke or a woman becomes president of the 
> USA. BBC reporters won't be able to sneer & jeer any more. What will they 
> all do? 

Sneer & jeer? Have you actually listened to the output of the BBC's USA
editor (Justin Webb)? He's a one-man publicity machine for the wonders
of the USA.

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