Five boys aged 12 to 14 have been sentenced to two years' detention for 
killing a man they pelted with sticks and stones while he played with his 
son.

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Ernest Norton, 67, died at a leisure centre at Erith, Kent, in February 
2006.

The Old Bailey has heard that Mr Norton was playing cricket with his 
17-year-old son James when they came under a hail of missiles and insults.

Two stones, one the size of half a brick, hit him on the temple, fracturing 
a cheekbone. He collapsed with a heart attack.

The five boys, one of whom was 10 at the time, were convicted in August of 
manslaughter and violent disorder.

Some of the boys wept as they hugged their parents, many of whom were also 
crying, before being taken down.

Judge Warwick McKinnon said: "This was a vicious, entirely unprovoked and 
sustained group attack involving a barrage of missiles."

The trial heard how, beforehand, the boys had been smashing windows, 
confronting another group of children for a fight, and running amok in Erith 
leisure centre.

"You had each hyped yourselves up by your earlier rowdy mischief and 
misbehaviour before you attacked the most unfortunate Ernest Norton, who 
just happened to be there enjoying a quiet Sunday afternoon in the park with 
his son," the judge added.

"He suffered a heart attack and died - all this before the eyes of his son 
who had to watch his father die in these dreadful circumstances."

Jurors heard the boys belonged to a gang called TNE who had met up, armed 
with a baseball bat, for a fight with another group.

One gave evidence at the trial, admitting he spat at Mr Norton and that his 
actions had been "stupid", "revolting" and "appalling".

He said he was throwing stones only to knock over stumps and wreck the 
cricket game for a "bit of fun".



And the moral is,carry a fucking gun,cunts should be stoned to death

G

GMK wrote:

> He said he was throwing stones only to knock over stumps and wreck the 
> cricket game for a "bit of fun".

I've been shocked at the trivial sentences handed out recently. A man 
tortures his 2 year old stepdaughter to death with his wife's consent - 
he gets 12 years, she gets 6. That's what you get for killing a child. 
Forty years ago, the death penalty, today, a holiday. Moral inversion.

turnitup wrote:
> GMK wrote:
>
>> He said he was throwing stones only to knock over stumps and wreck
>> the cricket game for a "bit of fun".
>
> I've been shocked at the trivial sentences handed out recently. A man
> tortures his 2 year old stepdaughter to death with his wife's consent
> - he gets 12 years, she gets 6. That's what you get for killing a
> child. Forty years ago, the death penalty, today, a holiday. Moral
> inversion.

While this was a terrible crime by absolute fuckwits it was, 
nevertheless, manslaughter and not murder for he did not *deliberately* 
kill his child. That is, he did not set out to kill her, it just 
happened because of his actions that she died, so hanging wouldn't come 
into it even if the death penalty was still on the statute book.

John of Aix wrote:
> turnitup wrote:
>> GMK wrote:
>>
>>> He said he was throwing stones only to knock over stumps and wreck
>>> the cricket game for a "bit of fun".
>> I've been shocked at the trivial sentences handed out recently. A man
>> tortures his 2 year old stepdaughter to death with his wife's consent
>> - he gets 12 years, she gets 6. That's what you get for killing a
>> child. Forty years ago, the death penalty, today, a holiday. Moral
>> inversion.
> 
> While this was a terrible crime by absolute fuckwits it was, 

No John, they weren't fuckwits. This is your problem, you don't want to 
see evil. You want to see incompetence, stupidity, victimhood. You want 
to see anything but pure, unadulterated evil.

If there is no evil in the world, there is no good in it either.

This man systematically tortured this little girl until she died. There 
is nothing more helpless than a baby, nothing more trusting of anybody 
or anything. To betray that trust is unspeakably evil, and to get 12 
f****g years in the slammer for a betrayal of that magnitude is an 
insult to the human race.

As an aside, this is what Britain is like all over. Broken kids, broken 
families, sexual abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, despair, violence, 
misery, betrayal. This kind of thing is the tip of the iceberg.

turnitup wrote:
> John of Aix wrote:
>> turnitup wrote:
>>> GMK wrote:
>>>
>>>> He said he was throwing stones only to knock over stumps and wreck
>>>> the cricket game for a "bit of fun".
>>> I've been shocked at the trivial sentences handed out recently. A
>>> man tortures his 2 year old stepdaughter to death with his wife's
>>> consent - he gets 12 years, she gets 6. That's what you get for
>>> killing a child. Forty years ago, the death penalty, today, a
>>> holiday. Moral inversion.
>>
>> While this was a terrible crime by absolute fuckwits it was,
>
> No John, they weren't fuckwits. This is your problem, you don't want
> to see evil. You want to see incompetence, stupidity, victimhood. You
> want to see anything but pure, unadulterated evil.

I do not believe that anyone is 'evil'? Stupid yes, oh yes, but not 
evil, for that implies consciousness of what one does which was not the 
case here. After all if the person(s) concerned really wanted to kill 
the child there are lots of easier ways that beating it up for months 
and then shaking it to the point of cerebral haemorrhage.

> If there is no evil in the world, there is no good in it either.

Nonsense.

> This man systematically tortured this little girl until she died.
> There is nothing more helpless than a baby, nothing more trusting of
> anybody or anything. To betray that trust is unspeakably evil, and to
> get 12 f****g years in the slammer for a betrayal of that magnitude
> is an insult to the human race.

'Evil' if you like inasmuch as it is beyond the pale but you imply that 
this is some innate thing which I do not believe.

> As an aside, this is what Britain is like all over. Broken kids,
> broken families, sexual abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, despair,
> violence, misery, betrayal. This kind of thing is the tip of the
> iceberg.

While it seems that is is perhaps more prevalent in the UK these days 
than elsewhere or of yore, it happens everywhere.

John of Aix wrote:

>>> While this was a terrible crime by absolute fuckwits it was,
>> No John, they weren't fuckwits. This is your problem, you don't want
>> to see evil. You want to see incompetence, stupidity, victimhood. You
>> want to see anything but pure, unadulterated evil.
> 
> I do not believe that anyone is 'evil'?

People can choose to do evil, as they can choose to do good. When a 
person has turned themselves over to evil, they can become evil. History 
is littered with evil people.

  Stupid yes, oh yes, but not
> evil, for that implies consciousness of what one does which was not the 
> case here. 

>After all if the person(s) concerned really wanted to kill 
> the child there are lots of easier ways that beating it up for months 
> and then shaking it to the point of cerebral haemorrhage.
>

Oh, so they wanted to torture her, stick her over a gas stove, beat her, 
  a baby, a toddler, and that makes it not a murder?

"When she died she was found to have 13 fractures, a cigarette burn and 
crushing injuries to her hands, as well as more than 50 bruises.

On one occasion Lois suffered severe burns to her foot when her leg was 
placed over a gas cooker hob.

The court heard how the little girl received no medical attention for 
her injuries and how her mother did everything to hide her injuries from 
the authorities. "

No, he couldn't possibly have known what he was doing. No, no way.

>> If there is no evil in the world, there is no good in it either.
> 
> Nonsense.

Why?

> 
> 'Evil' if you like inasmuch as it is beyond the pale but you imply that 
> this is some innate thing which I do not believe.

I don't follow you.
> 
>> As an aside, this is what Britain is like all over. Broken kids,
>> broken families, sexual abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, despair,
>> violence, misery, betrayal. This kind of thing is the tip of the
>> iceberg.
> 
> While it seems that is is perhaps more prevalent in the UK these days 
> than elsewhere or of yore, it happens everywhere.
> 

Where there are people, there is the propensity for evil.

"John of Aix"  wrote in message 
news:47190dcb$0$25925$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> turnitup wrote:
>> GMK wrote:
>>
>>> He said he was throwing stones only to knock over stumps and wreck
>>> the cricket game for a "bit of fun".
>>
>> I've been shocked at the trivial sentences handed out recently. A man
>> tortures his 2 year old stepdaughter to death with his wife's consent
>> - he gets 12 years, she gets 6. That's what you get for killing a
>> child. Forty years ago, the death penalty, today, a holiday. Moral
>> inversion.
>
> While this was a terrible crime by absolute fuckwits it was, nevertheless, 
> manslaughter and not murder for he did not *deliberately* kill his child. 
> That is, he did not set out to kill her, it just happened because of his 
> actions that she died, so hanging wouldn't come into it even if the death 
> penalty was still on the statute book.
>
>
> How do you know what the intentions are of someone who
tortures a wee girl.Could it not be that having killed her he lied?
G
>