Bulstrode here.

I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

it's now

    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??


P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
record deals.

As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

Michael J. Anthony wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
>> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bulstrode here.
>>>
>>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>
>>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>
>>> it's now
>>>
>>>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>>>
>>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
> 

That could be confusing, because Bob is already the name of D7/F#.

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

Michael J. Anthony wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
>> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bulstrode here.
>>>
>>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>
>>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>
>>> it's now
>>>
>>>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>>>
>>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
> 

That could be confusing, because Bob is already the name of D7/F#.

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 25 May, 20:43, Michael J. Anthony
 wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, s...@fake.con says...
>
> > bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > Bulstrode here.
>
> > > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
> > >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
> > > it's now
>
> > >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> > > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
>
> --
> Michael J. Anthony
> Duckmares are comingwww.michaeljanthony.com

Bulstrode here.

Trouble is, I 've got to put something onto the lead sheet. Le mot
juste in just the right place can clinch anything.

On 25 May, 20:42, JNugent 
wrote:
> bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > it's now
>
>  >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
> In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one
> complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
> In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
> For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song),
> is that the chorus runs:
>
> [A Section:]
> She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
> She loves the theatre and never comes late
> She never bothers with people she hates
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
> Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
> Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
> She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
> Life without care
> She's broke, but it's ok
> She hates California - its cold and its damp
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
> Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
> Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> I hope the above helps.

Bulstrode here.

Certainly something I'd never thought of before.

Cheers.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

Michael J. Anthony wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
>> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bulstrode here.
>>>
>>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>
>>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>
>>> it's now
>>>
>>>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>>>
>>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
> 

That could be confusing, because Bob is already the name of D7/F#.

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 25 May, 20:43, Michael J. Anthony
 wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, s...@fake.con says...
>
> > bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > Bulstrode here.
>
> > > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
> > >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
> > > it's now
>
> > >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> > > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
>
> --
> Michael J. Anthony
> Duckmares are comingwww.michaeljanthony.com

Bulstrode here.

Trouble is, I 've got to put something onto the lead sheet. Le mot
juste in just the right place can clinch anything.

On 25 May, 20:42, JNugent 
wrote:
> bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > it's now
>
>  >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
> In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one
> complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
> In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
> For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song),
> is that the chorus runs:
>
> [A Section:]
> She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
> She loves the theatre and never comes late
> She never bothers with people she hates
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
> Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
> Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
> She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
> Life without care
> She's broke, but it's ok
> She hates California - its cold and its damp
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
> Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
> Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> I hope the above helps.

Bulstrode here.

Certainly something I'd never thought of before.

Cheers.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

Michael J. Anthony wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
>> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bulstrode here.
>>>
>>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>
>>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>
>>> it's now
>>>
>>>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>>>
>>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
> 

That could be confusing, because Bob is already the name of D7/F#.

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 25 May, 20:43, Michael J. Anthony
 wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, s...@fake.con says...
>
> > bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > Bulstrode here.
>
> > > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
> > >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
> > > it's now
>
> > >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> > > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
>
> --
> Michael J. Anthony
> Duckmares are comingwww.michaeljanthony.com

Bulstrode here.

Trouble is, I 've got to put something onto the lead sheet. Le mot
juste in just the right place can clinch anything.

On 25 May, 20:42, JNugent 
wrote:
> bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > it's now
>
>  >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
> In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one
> complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
> In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
> For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song),
> is that the chorus runs:
>
> [A Section:]
> She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
> She loves the theatre and never comes late
> She never bothers with people she hates
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
> Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
> Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
> She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
> Life without care
> She's broke, but it's ok
> She hates California - its cold and its damp
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
> Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
> Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> I hope the above helps.

Bulstrode here.

Certainly something I'd never thought of before.

Cheers.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

Michael J. Anthony wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
>> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bulstrode here.
>>>
>>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>
>>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>
>>> it's now
>>>
>>>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>>>
>>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
> 

That could be confusing, because Bob is already the name of D7/F#.

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 25 May, 20:43, Michael J. Anthony
 wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, s...@fake.con says...
>
> > bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > Bulstrode here.
>
> > > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
> > >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
> > > it's now
>
> > >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> > > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
>
> --
> Michael J. Anthony
> Duckmares are comingwww.michaeljanthony.com

Bulstrode here.

Trouble is, I 've got to put something onto the lead sheet. Le mot
juste in just the right place can clinch anything.

On 25 May, 20:42, JNugent 
wrote:
> bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > it's now
>
>  >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
> In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one
> complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
> In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
> For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song),
> is that the chorus runs:
>
> [A Section:]
> She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
> She loves the theatre and never comes late
> She never bothers with people she hates
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
> Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
> Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
> She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
> Life without care
> She's broke, but it's ok
> She hates California - its cold and its damp
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
> Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
> Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> I hope the above helps.

Bulstrode here.

Certainly something I'd never thought of before.

Cheers.

On 23 May 2007 12:14:23 -0700, bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>Bulstrode here.
>
>I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
>    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
>it's now
>
>    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
>Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
>
>P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
>BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
>on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
>record deals.
>
>As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.

I'd be inclined to call it a bridge.
-- 

       ~ Seth Jackson

MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong 
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net

On Fri, 25 May 2007 20:42:19 +0100, JNugent
 wrote:

>bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Bulstrode here.
>
>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
>> it's now
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
>Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
>In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
>complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
>In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

This is incorrect, at least in terms of current usage.   In today's
usage, a chorus, which not all songs have, is a section, usually
containing the song title. that is repeated at regular intervals
throughout the song.   

And example of a chorus would be the part of the song that goes:

She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

from the Beatles' "She Loves You".

>For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
>is that the chorus runs:
>
>[A Section:]
>She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
>She loves the theatre and never comes late
>She never bothers with people she hates
>That's why the lady is a tramp
>
>[A Section:]
>Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
>Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
>Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
>That's why the lady is a tramp
>
>[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
>She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
>Life without care
>She's broke, but it's ok
>She hates California - its cold and its damp
>Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
>[A Section:]
>Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
>Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
>Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
>Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
>[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
>I hope the above helps.

-- 

       ~ Seth Jackson

MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong 
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net

Pepe Papon wrote:

> JNugent  wrote:
>>bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>Bulstrode here.

>>>I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>it's now
>>>    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

>>Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>>In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
>>complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>>In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

> This is incorrect, at least in terms of current usage.

If by "current usage" you mean usage by people who are not musicians, 
arrangers or composers, I have no comment to make on that beyond 
saying that I was talking about the terms that *knowledgeable* people 
use. Being one of those knowledgeable people, you know that what I 
wrote is correct. It doesn't matter what other people think a chorus is.

> In today's usage,

[by non-musicians, and so irrelevant to the issue]

> a chorus, which not all songs have, is a section, usually
> containing the song title. that is repeated at regular intervals
> throughout the song.

Irrelevant, I'm afraid.

> And example of a chorus would be the part of the song that goes:

> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
> 
> from the Beatles' "She Loves You".

Where is the "chorus within a chorus" in "Please Please Me"? Or "From 
Me To You"? Or "Twist And Shout"?

Pepe Papon wrote:

[ ... ]

> In today's usage, a chorus, which not all songs have...

What?

The once-through structure of a song (or even an instrumental) is 
called a "chorus".

Classical music and (maybe) freeform jazz would be an exception. But 
saying that some songs don't have a chorus (when a chorus is no more 
than the entire melodic theme statement) is puzzling.

On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:09:03 +0100, JNugent
 wrote:

>Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> JNugent  wrote:
>>>bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>Bulstrode here.
>
>>>>I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>>    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>>it's now
>>>>    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
>>>Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>>>In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
>>>complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>>>In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
>> This is incorrect, at least in terms of current usage.
>
>If by "current usage" you mean usage by people who are not musicians, 
>arrangers or composers, I have no comment to make on that beyond 
>saying that I was talking about the terms that *knowledgeable* people 
>use. Being one of those knowledgeable people, you know that what I 
>wrote is correct. It doesn't matter what other people think a chorus is.

Again, I'm afraid this is incorrect.  I'm talking about the term as it
is used by songwriters, musicians, music publishers, producers, A&R
people, singers, and sheet music publishers.   I'm not sure which
"knowledgeable people" are excluded.

>> In today's usage,
>
>[by non-musicians, and so irrelevant to the issue]

Naturally, I'm talking about use by songwriters and musicians.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered to post this here. 

>> a chorus, which not all songs have, is a section, usually
>> containing the song title. that is repeated at regular intervals
>> throughout the song.
>
>Irrelevant, I'm afraid.

On the contrary, it's the entire point.

>> And example of a chorus would be the part of the song that goes:
>
>> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
>> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
>> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
>> 
>> from the Beatles' "She Loves You".
>
>Where is the "chorus within a chorus" in "Please Please Me"? Or "From 
>Me To You"? Or "Twist And Shout"?

Those are examples of songs that do not have choruses.  As I said, not
all songs have them.
-- 

       ~ Seth Jackson

MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong 
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net

On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:12:57 +0100, JNugent
 wrote:

>Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>[ ... ]
>
>> In today's usage, a chorus, which not all songs have...
>
>What?
>
>The once-through structure of a song (or even an instrumental) is 
>called a "chorus".
>
>Classical music and (maybe) freeform jazz would be an exception. But 
>saying that some songs don't have a chorus (when a chorus is no more 
>than the entire melodic theme statement) is puzzling.

What's puzzling to me is why you're not familiar with the standard use
of the word "chorus".   Perhaps the word is used differently in
different parts of the world.   I don't know where you're posting
from, but here in the US and also in Canada, the UK, and Australia,
the word is used as I described in my previous post. 
-- 

       ~ Seth Jackson

MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong 
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> Bulstrode here.
> 
> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> 
>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> 
> it's now
> 
>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> 
> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> 
> P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
> BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
> on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
> record deals.
> 
> As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.
> 

Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it 
the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the 
verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 24 May, 08:50, Sean  wrote:

> Chorus or bridge. You could get around the decision making by calling it
> the B part. Is the form of your instrumental break the same as the
> verses? What's the reprise? A repeat of the verse form?
>
> --http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Bulstrode here.

What I've done is to re-jig it so that there's no
"chorus" as such but use a four-bar hook (the "reprise",
and variations of it) which I tack onto the end of
variations/developments of a theme.

bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

> Bulstrode here.

> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of

>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise

> it's now
 >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.

In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.

In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
is that the chorus runs:

[A Section:]
She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
She loves the theatre and never comes late
She never bothers with people she hates
That's why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
That's why the lady is a tramp

[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
Life without care
She's broke, but it's ok
She hates California - its cold and its damp
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[A Section:]
Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
Thats why the lady is a tramp

[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]

> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

I hope the above helps.

In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > 
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> > 
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > 
> > it's now
> > 
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
> > 
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??

It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.

-- 
Michael J. Anthony
Duckmares are coming
www.michaeljanthony.com

Michael J. Anthony wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, sean@fake.con says...
>> bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>> Bulstrode here.
>>>
>>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>
>>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>
>>> it's now
>>>
>>>     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>>>
>>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
> 
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
> 

That could be confusing, because Bob is already the name of D7/F#.

-- 
http://www.soundclick.com/seanholland

On 25 May, 20:43, Michael J. Anthony
 wrote:
> In article <qtb5i.46368$g63.34441@edtnps82>, s...@fake.con says...
>
> > bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > > Bulstrode here.
>
> > > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
> > >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
> > > it's now
>
> > >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> > > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> It won't change what the song is, so I say call it Bob.
>
> --
> Michael J. Anthony
> Duckmares are comingwww.michaeljanthony.com

Bulstrode here.

Trouble is, I 've got to put something onto the lead sheet. Le mot
juste in just the right place can clinch anything.

On 25 May, 20:42, JNugent 
wrote:
> bulstrode_arblas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> > Bulstrode here.
> > I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
> >     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
> > it's now
>
>  >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
> Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
> In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one
> complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
> In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
> For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song),
> is that the chorus runs:
>
> [A Section:]
> She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
> She loves the theatre and never comes late
> She never bothers with people she hates
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
> Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
> Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
> That's why the lady is a tramp
>
> [B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
> She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
> Life without care
> She's broke, but it's ok
> She hates California - its cold and its damp
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [A Section:]
> Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
> Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
> Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
> Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
> [NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
> > Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
> I hope the above helps.

Bulstrode here.

Certainly something I'd never thought of before.

Cheers.

On 23 May 2007 12:14:23 -0700, bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>Bulstrode here.
>
>I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
>    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
>it's now
>
>    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
>Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
>
>P.S. any UK songwriter wannabes should make an effort to listen to
>BBC-R2. Last night, for instance, there was an excellent programme
>on the BUSINESS of the music biz - and where all the money goes in
>record deals.
>
>As ever , it's the songwriter gets any cream.

I'd be inclined to call it a bridge.
-- 

       ~ Seth Jackson

MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong 
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net

On Fri, 25 May 2007 20:42:19 +0100, JNugent
 wrote:

>bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Bulstrode here.
>
>> I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>
>>     verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>
>> it's now
> >     verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
>Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>
>In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
>complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>
>In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

This is incorrect, at least in terms of current usage.   In today's
usage, a chorus, which not all songs have, is a section, usually
containing the song title. that is repeated at regular intervals
throughout the song.   

And example of a chorus would be the part of the song that goes:

She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

from the Beatles' "She Loves You".

>For instance, "The Lady Is A Tramp" structure (a classic AABA song), 
>is that the chorus runs:
>
>[A Section:]
>She gets too hungry for dinner at eight
>She loves the theatre and never comes late
>She never bothers with people she hates
>That's why the lady is a tramp
>
>[A Section:]
>Doesn't like crap games with barons and earls
>Wont go to Harlem in ermine and pearls
>Won't dish the dirt with the rest of the girls
>That's why the lady is a tramp
>
>[B Section ("middle eight"; "bridge")]
>She loves the free, fresh, wind in her hair
>Life without care
>She's broke, but it's ok
>She hates California - its cold and its damp
>Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
>[A Section:]
>Doesnt like dice games, with sharpies and frauds
>Wont go to harlem, in lincolns or fords
>Wont dish the dirt, with the rest of those broads
>Thats why the lady is a tramp
>
>[NB: that last A section's lyrics don't look right to me]
>
>> Thing is, what to call the single "chorus". Bridge 1,? pre-bridge??
>
>I hope the above helps.

-- 

       ~ Seth Jackson

MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong 
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net

Pepe Papon wrote:

> JNugent  wrote:
>>bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>Bulstrode here.

>>>I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>it's now
>>>    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.

>>Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>>In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
>>complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>>In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.

> This is incorrect, at least in terms of current usage.

If by "current usage" you mean usage by people who are not musicians, 
arrangers or composers, I have no comment to make on that beyond 
saying that I was talking about the terms that *knowledgeable* people 
use. Being one of those knowledgeable people, you know that what I 
wrote is correct. It doesn't matter what other people think a chorus is.

> In today's usage,

[by non-musicians, and so irrelevant to the issue]

> a chorus, which not all songs have, is a section, usually
> containing the song title. that is repeated at regular intervals
> throughout the song.

Irrelevant, I'm afraid.

> And example of a chorus would be the part of the song that goes:

> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah
> She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
> 
> from the Beatles' "She Loves You".

Where is the "chorus within a chorus" in "Please Please Me"? Or "From 
Me To You"? Or "Twist And Shout"?

Pepe Papon wrote:

[ ... ]

> In today's usage, a chorus, which not all songs have...

What?

The once-through structure of a song (or even an instrumental) is 
called a "chorus".

Classical music and (maybe) freeform jazz would be an exception. But 
saying that some songs don't have a chorus (when a chorus is no more 
than the entire melodic theme statement) is puzzling.

On Sun, 27 May 2007 02:09:03 +0100, JNugent
 wrote:

>Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> JNugent  wrote:
>>>bulstrode_arblaster@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>>>>Bulstrode here.
>
>>>>I just doctored a song by cutting out a chorus so that instead of
>>>>    verse/chorus (x2), bridge, instrumental break, reprise
>>>>it's now
>>>>    verse 1, verse 2, "chorus", instrumental break, reprise.
>
>>>Strictly then, you haven't cut out a chorus.
>>>In popular music terminology, a chorus is the word which describes one 
>>>complete iteration of the melody - all sections of the melody.
>>>In a 32-bar standard song, the structure of a chorus is AABA.
>
>> This is incorrect, at least in terms of current usage.
>
>If by "current usage" you mean usage by people who are not musicians, 
>arrangers or composers, I have no comment to make on that beyond 
>saying that I was talking about the terms that *knowledgeable* people 
>use. Being one of those knowledgeable people, you know that what I 
>wrote is correct. It doesn't matter what other people think a chorus is.

Again, I'm afraid this is incorrect.  I'm talking about the term as it
is used by songwriters, musicians, music publishers, producers, A&R
people, singers, and sheet music publishers.   I'm not sure which
"knowledgeable people" are excluded.

>> In today's usage,
>
>[by non-musicians, and so irrelevant to the issue]

Naturally, I'm talking about use by songwriters and musicians.
Otherwise, I wouldn't h