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date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT,    group: uk.media.radio.bbc-r2        back       
Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
airplay?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:12:47 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the 
>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite 
>airplay?

More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying. Playlists do
influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
influence outside the typical chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.MotorwayServices.info - read and share comments and opinons
"And when you play you feel all right"
date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:50:09 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>airplay?
>
>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.

A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

>Playlists do
>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>influence outside the typical

singles...

>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.

R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
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date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
> wrote :
>>
>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>airplay?
>>
>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>
>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.

:-) 

There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
than might want to buy.

>>Playlists do
>>influence sales, but they are by no means the only or even major
>>influence outside the typical
>
>singles...
>
>>chart rock/pop/rnb genres.
>
>R2 have a *major* influence on MOR sales, though.

That's certainly true. I don't think anyone would deny that airplay
has a major effect on sales, particularly in some genres, and the
bigger the station's audience the greater the effect can potentially
be. But it's not the only factor, either.

Mark
-- 
Visit: http://www.OrangeHedgehog.com - Useful stuff for the web
"I'm so tired of acting tough"
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:10:12 +0100   author:   Mark Goodge

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
"Mark Goodge"  wrote in message 
news:rhrn131o5etdhgv56mpbvr2liqk8v086ch@news.markshouse.net...
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:01:07 GMT, Paul Hyett put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
>>In uk.music.charts on Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge
>> wrote :
>>>
>>>>Do you think this is more indicative of poor playlist choice by the
>>>>radio stations, or because some genres simply sell well/badly despite
>>>>airplay?
>>>
>>>More the latter than the former - a radio station's task, when
>>>selecting the playlist, is to play what its listeners want to hear,
>>>and that has little to do with what people who are not its listeners
>>>(or even who are its listeners) are actually buying.
>>
>>A little convoluted, but I believe I know what you mean.
>
> :-)
>
> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
> than might want to buy.

This is what I was going to point to as well - most people are unlikely to 
buy a single on more than one or two occasions (because even people who buy 
multiple formats are probably going to buy them at the same time) so the 
speed of the airplay charts won't be the same as the sales charts.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com
date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:04:18 +0100   author:   Chris Brown

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
 wrote :
>
>There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>than might want to buy.

So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
sell new artists/material?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 07:56:37 GMT   author:   Paul Hyett

Re: Disparity in sales/airplay chart positions   
Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Mark Goodge 
>  wrote :
>>
>> There's also the point that a lot of "gold" format stations are
>> playlisting stuff that many of their listeners already own, rather
>> than might want to buy.
> 
> So they play stuff they can listen to at any time, rather than trying to 
> sell new artists/material?

Well, if they are "oldies" stations, which is primarily what Gold 
stations are, there's the slight problem of a lack of new material! By 
its very nature, an Oldies station will play music that  some listeners 
will own.

-- 
Robbie
date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:25:19 +0100   author:   Robbie

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