Singles
-------
Cheryl's 2nd week sales were easily sufficient to hold off all comers.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Westlife #2, Jay Sean #3, Michael Buble #5, BEP #6,
Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #11, Lady Gaga (BR) #14, Biffy Clyro #17
Top 30 : Duck Sauce #22, Calvin Harris #25, Cheryl (3W) #26, Paolo 
Nutini #28
Top 40 : Michael Buble (CMAR) #34, F&TM #37

Re-entries T40 : Daughtry #39

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kano #44, Jace Everett 
#49, Journey #52 (*), Sway #53, Sean Kingston #72, Katherine Jenkins #74 
:) :)

(*) Also, a re-entry. Plus a new peak position, 27 years after first 
release!

Re-entries T75 : MJ-Thriller #44, Ray Parker Jr #57, MJ-MITM #59, Bobby 
Pickett #61

Albums
------
Cheryl completes the double, despite a strong 2nd week challenge from 
Michael Buble.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Michael Jackson #3, Soldiers #4, Katherine Jenkins #6, Daniel 
O'Donnell #8

Top 20 : none

New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Harry Connick Jr #28, 
Ultrabeat #29, Wolfmother #35, Morrissey #55, Miike Snow #59, REM #68

Re-entries : U2 (UF) #64, Madness (OSB) #67


Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Unfortunately I fear the XF effect will strike again, taking the bloody 
awful JLS to #1. :(

Top  5 : BEP (T3)
Top 10 : Bon Jovi
Top 20 : Calvin Harris, Paolo Nutini, Snow Patrol
Top 30 : Beyonce, Chase & Status
Top 40 : Dan M & Adele, Pink, Scooter

As always, there are bound to be download releases I don't know about.


Albums
------
The #1 is far from obvious this time, with a climb there by Michael 
Buble being quite possible.

Top 10 NE : Bon Jovi, Foo Fighters,
Top 20 NE : Bryn Terfel, Michael McDonald, Sting, Weezer

Others : Bee Gees, Flight Of The Conchords, FGHT, Joss Stone, Katherine 
Jenkins (UC), Nirvana, Skunk Anansie, Slayer,
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:


> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Unfortunately I fear the XF effect will strike again, taking the bloody 
> awful JLS to #1. :(
> 
> Top  5 : BEP (T3)

possibly number one the week after as they are on the X Factor next 
Sunday (8 November)

> Top 10 : Bon Jovi
> Top 20 : Calvin Harris, Paolo Nutini, Snow Patrol
> Top 30 : Beyonce, Chase & Status
> Top 40 : Dan M & Adele, Pink, Scooter
> 
> As always, there are bound to be download releases I don't know about.

Journey should also finally make the top 40, possibly even the top 20.


> 
> 
> Albums
> ------
> The #1 is far from obvious this time, with a climb there by Michael 
> Buble being quite possible.

Quite probable I'd say since his sales increased towards the end of the 
week when he actually outsold Cheryl.
> 
> Top 10 NE : Bon Jovi, Foo Fighters,
> Top 20 NE : Bryn Terfel, Michael McDonald, Sting, Weezer
> 
> Others : Bee Gees, Flight Of The Conchords, FGHT, Joss Stone, Katherine 
> Jenkins (UC), Nirvana, Skunk Anansie, Slayer,

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:rfPTteQqZe7KFwOG@blueyonder.co.uk...
> Singles
> -------
> Cheryl's 2nd week sales were easily sufficient to hold off all comers.

Now there's a mental image of Westlife I could have done without!

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Westlife #2,

Fairly predictable cover of the song originally released by American Idol 
spin-off act Daughtry (see below) and used as incidental music on X-Factor, 
a performance on whch is the only detectable promotion for this version of 
the song. Has pop eaten itself enough yet?
Amazingly, not the worst cover version in the Top 40 this week.

> Jay Sean #3,

It's exactly five years since his previous chart peak when 'Stolen' entered 
at 4.
Only now does he manage to outdo that with this single which has already 
topped the US singles chart, surely a pretty rare occurence for a British 
act with a record that's yet to chart over here. Considering that, it's 
attracted surprisingly little attention here, possibly because the record 
itself is so deeply generic, seemingly born of an "If you can't beat them, 
join them" attitude. Still, he seems like a nice bloke.

>Michael Buble #5,

He seems like a nice bloke too. Shame about the records, although to be fair 
this is pretty average.

>BEP #6,

I've nothing at all to say about this track, so I'll mention instead that 
their other hit 'I Gotta Feeling' quitely notches up its 17th Top 10 week, 
the longest such run this decade.

> Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #11,

It's starting to look like she won't have a Top 10 hit in this country, 
although she wasn't very far off in sales terms. I've never heard this all 
the way through but what I did heard of it doesn't exactly make me feel 
sympathetic.

>Lady Gaga (BR) #14,

Considering the year she's had so far, it might seem slightly surprising 
that new material from her hasn't immediately reached at least the top ten, 
but then this is a relatively unusual case of a single rushed out as soon as 
it's announced, rather than waiting for a head of steam to build up. Also, 
it's crap.

>Biffy Clyro #17

Not a million miles away from their last single 'That Golden Rule' but this 
time the string orchestra is replaced by a brass band.
I just hope it's not meant to make sense.

> Top 30 : Duck Sauce #22,

One of three New York-themed singles in this week's chart, and perhaps the 
least interesting of them all. But then, I never really did get why Armand 
Van Helden was famous.

>Calvin Harris #25,

He used to work at M&S in Dumfries, you know.

>Cheryl (3W) #26,

The imminent follow-up to her Number One single, as premiered during an 
interview with Chris Moyles a couple of weeks ago. Some unkind people 
e-mailed in to say they thought Moyles was doing one of his comedy voices 
over the track, but it was in fact Will.I.Am, just in case you didn't think 
there was enough of him in the chart already.

>Paolo Nutini #28

He does sound a lot less like an 80-year-old drunk on this track, that's 
something.

> Top 40 : Michael Buble (CMAR) #34,

Notwithstanding anything positive I might have said about him, this version 
of the old standard captures him at his absolute twattiest, bludgeoning the 
poor defenceless song. I guess he gets all the egotism out of his system in 
the studio.

> F&TM #37

It still seems a slightly lazy choice of single. Somewhere at the back of 
Florence's mind she must be hoping this doesn't become her biggest hit by 
too great a margin.

> Re-entries T40 : Daughtry #39

Very unusual chart run here.
I guess in a way they're the new Jeff Buckley.

> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kano #44,

New track  from his as yet unfinished fourth album, which I haven't heard 
yet. I hope it's not named after the Guy Ritchie film.

> Jace Everett  #49,

Me neither, but the cover image on ChartStats says "As Heard On HBO 'True 
Blood'" whic even I know is some sort of TV programme.

>Journey #52 (*),

>(*) Also, a re-entry. Plus a new peak position, 27 years after first 
>release!

That makes it sound like it's three things. Which I suppose it is if you 
could "rubbish".

>Sway #53,

In a busy week for very minor success by British MCs... Past form suggests 
that I'd be more likely to like this than the Kano track.

>Sean Kingston #72,

Past form suggests I won't be touching this with a bargepole.

> Katherine Jenkins #74 :) :)

Of course she'll be utterly ecstatic to have been outsold by a past-it Sean 
Kingston.
In reality of course it doesn't matter too much, since her career is hardly 
dependent on big chart singles, but the record company might have been 
hoping for better.

> Re-entries T75 : MJ-Thriller #44, Ray Parker Jr #57, MJ-MITM #59, Bobby 
> Pickett #61

I'm not sure whether 'Man In The Mirror' is supposed to be part of Halloween 
or not.

> Albums
> ------
> Cheryl completes the double, despite a strong 2nd week challenge from 
> Michael Buble.

The "rare chart double" according to Reuters, although she's the third 
female act to do so already this year.
Debut solo set from.. oh everyone knows who she is, why bother?
And "why bother" is a phrase that springs to mind a lot when listening to 
this determinedly bland record. There are three guest appearances from 
Will.I.Am, not including his solo single 'Heartbreaker' which is tacked on 
at the end.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Michael Jackson #3,

Credit where it's due to Michael Jackson fans, they've shown a bit of 
backbone and not blindly sent to the top of the chart.
To tie in with the film of the concerts that never were, an album has been 
compiled with the presumed setlist (was he really going to do 'Jam'?) and 
two versions of the previously unreleased title track which co-writer Paul 
Anka admits dated back to 1983.
A second disc adds three demo versions of classic tracks (which presumably 
weren't good enough to use on re-issues of the albums) and a bit of him 
reading a poem.

> Soldiers #4,

Debut set from the crossover vocal trio who have a day-job in common. "Part 
of the album's proceeds are planned to go directly to charities including 
Help For Heroes, the British Legion and the Army Benevolent Fund."
It's all covers apart from the title track, released as a download single to 
suprisingly little success.

> Katherine Jenkins #6,

The first release from her new big-money contract with Warner Music, 
produced by David Foster who's best known for work with Michael Buble, Josh 
Groban and Seal's boring karaoke era.
Possibly for this reason, there's very little conventional classical 
repertoire on here, with the bulk of the material being from the 20th 
century (even the 21st in the case of the single and Sarah McLachlan's 
'Angel').

> Daniel  O'Donnell #8

Daniel O'D is back with his 29th (TWENTY-NINTH!) studio album, a set of 
religious songs.

> New entries/new peaks outside the top 20 : Harry Connick Jr #28,

And opposite X-Factor's big-band night, the man who was doing jazz-pop 
crossover when it wasn't trendy makes his return with a set of songs mostly 
chosen by famous producer/record company executive/forgiver of Whitney 
Houston Clive Davis. Davis didn't get where he is today by being 
off-the-wall, so most of this is MOR, AOR and pre-rock standards. These 
include Elton John's 'Your Song' (nearly the title track) and songs made 
famous by Elvis, The Beatles, Billy Joel and Nat "King" Cole. It also 
includes 'Besame Mucho', suggested by Harry Connick Sr.
The UK bonus is a second version of 'And I Love Her' with Carla Bruni, which 
seems an odd concept.

> Ultrabeat #29,

Apparently their second album, although I'm not sure how that relates to the 
album Discolights which seems to have almost all the same tracks on it.
A bonus DVD includes all their videos to date (relax girls!) and some live 
tracks.

> Wolfmother #35,

Second album by the Aussie hard-rockers. Well, sort of: two of the original 
three members left last year, forcing singer Andrew Stockdale to convene a 
new group. A collaboration with Slash seems to have ended up on the 
cutting-room floor, but they still managed to record at least 16 tracks, 
although four of them appear only on a deluxe version of the album.

> Morrissey #55,

Collection of B-sides from his last three albums, charting an era when he 
revived his career to an imperssive extent, tried everyone's patience and 
seems to have pushed himself back to cult status.
I suppose he's relatively unusual in having amassed enough flipsides in this 
decade to fill up an album, but his fans don't seem as desperate as they 
once were to buy a load of tracks they already have.

>Miike Snow #59,

Swedish-American trio. The Swedes are Bloodshy & Avant, better known as 
producers and writers of many hits including 'Toxic' by Britney Spears. 
However, they've obviously desired to prove that they can make really boring 
music too.

>REM #68

Almost exactly two years after their first full live album, the 
imaginatively-titled R.E.M. Live, a second package of songs from the same 
Dublin venue. Although the set includes several songs from their early 
career and a couple that have never been released before in any form, this 
seems not to have attracted much interest, to put it mildly. Maybe they were 
right not to release them before.

> Re-entries : U2 (UF) #64,

Although every old U2 album seems to be getting remastered, particularly key 
works seem to be getting singled out for higher-profile re-releases. So 
after the 20th anniversary of The Joshua Tree in 2007, they now mark the 
25th anniversary of The Unforgettable Fire, the important transitional work 
which has the last traces of their post-punk beginnings. It was also the 
first time they worked with Brian Eno, over the initional objections of 
their record company and the result is possibly my favourite of their 
albums, from the admittedly small number I've heard. It certainly contains 
two of the finest singles of their career in 'Pride (In The Name Of Love)' 
and the title cut.
As well as the standard remastered CD and LP, there's also a deluxe double 
CD which adds all the B-sides from the time as well as live tracks, outtakes 
and a remix of 'Wire' that was originally on a free single with the NME. 
Needless to say, most of these offcuts are better than their new material. A 
super delux version has both CDs, a DVD including all the videos, a making 
of film and their Live Aid performance and some picture cards, but don't 
expect any change from thirty quid if you want that one.

>Madness (OSB) #67

A thirtieth anniversary marked here, and the start of a big reissue 
programme for the Nutty Boys - at least six more albums are to come. Here, 
their first, and many would say best, studio album re-emerges with five 
videos and a bonus CD including their first Peel Session, B-sides, EP tracks 
and rarities like the Spanish and Italian versions of the title track. 
Perhaps most importantly, they do this for less than half the price of the 
equivalent U2 release.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Unfortunately I fear the XF effect will strike again, taking the bloody 
> awful JLS to #1. :(

Yes, how dare they wrest the Number One slot away from Chery- no, hang on a 
minute...

> Top  5 : BEP (T3)

I suppose so. Can't think why.

> Top 10 : Bon Jovi

I think that might be going a bit far, considering their last one failed 
even to produce a Top 30 single and there are no physicals or anything.

> Top 20 : Calvin Harris,

I suppose so.

> Paolo Nutini,

This may be slightly more of an effect than we can realistically expect 
physicals to have for him.

> Snow Patrol

Agreed.

> Top 30 : Beyonce,

Now, she's somebody who does seem to gain surprisingly much from CD 
release,so as she spends her second week at 41 this looks about right.

>Chase & Status

Already seems to be Top 20 on iTunes. And I hadn't even heard of it until 
yesterday.

> Top 40 : Dan M & Adele,

If people aren't already downloading it (in large numbers) they probably 
never will.

>Pink,

See above.

>Scooter

Is this the same one you mentioned last week? If so, I'll reserve judgement 
un til I know whether it actually exists or not.

> As always, there are bound to be download releases I don't know about.

Well, there seem to be a couple more X-Factor rejects but that's hardly a 
guarantee of success nowadays. Meanwhile, there's the unwelcome threat of 
Journeyn and of the other Chris Brown.

> Albums
> ------
> The #1 is far from obvious this time, with a climb there by Michael Buble 
> being quite possible.

But not the only possibility, of course.

> Top 10 NE : Bon Jovi,

I think we can safely assume Top 5 here, and in fact none of their albums on 
new songs has charted lower than 2 in more than 20 years, so I wouldn't rule 
them out for the top either.

>Foo Fighters,

Yup.

> Top 20 NE : Bryn Terfel,

This being only a semi-crossover thing, it may not make it, but it's 
possible.

> Michael McDonald,

Considering that Christmas albums aren't very popular here, that it's still 
November and that his only Top 20 in over 20 years was a compilation, I 
think this is highly unlikely.

>Sting,

His last side-projecty album only got to 24, but I guess the same sales 
would be easily Top 20 now.

> Weezer

Another less than consistent chart performer but who knows these days.

> Others : Bee Gees,

Any reason you don't think this'll even go Top 20?
NB: In this context, "because it's got loads of crappy Bee Gees songs on it 
" doesn't work.

> Flight Of The Conchords,

Agreed, if only because the last one charted.

>FGHT,

Unfortunately that does seem possible.

>Joss Stone,

This one, though, I have no idea about.

>Katherine Jenkins (UC),

I suppose probably Top 40.

> Nirvana,

Yup.

>Skunk Anansie,

TBH, I'm not sure many people have noticed they're back.

>Slayer,

Highly probable.

Also, it's a busy week for deluxe versions of current albums and an old one 
from Paul Weller. Are you aware that Julian Casabalancas is the lead singer 
from The Strokes?

    Chris


-- 
"Back next week with another ridiculous tie knot"

http://nowthats.blogspot.com

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 20:57:52, Robbie  wrote in 
uk.music.charts :

>Paul Hyett wrote:
>
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>>  Top  5 : BEP (T3)
>
>possibly number one the week after as they are on the X Factor next 
>Sunday (8 November)

I'd be surprised - 3rd single from the album, not to mention what it's 
already sold.
>
>Journey should also finally make the top 40, possibly even the top 20.

And it'll only have taken them 27 years... :p
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 23:28:27, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Westlife #2,
>
>Fairly predictable cover of the song originally released by American 
>Idol spin-off act Daughtry (see below) and used as incidental music on 
>X-Factor, a performance on whch is the only detectable promotion for 
>this version of the song.

At least that should ensure a swift demise.

>Amazingly, not the worst cover version in the Top 40 this week.

I'll read on...
>
>> Jay Sean #3,
>
>It's exactly five years since his previous chart peak when 'Stolen' 
>entered at 4.
>Only now does he manage to outdo that with this single which has 
>already topped the US singles chart, surely a pretty rare occurence for 
>a British act with a record that's yet to chart over here. Considering 
>that, it's attracted surprisingly little attention here, possibly 
>because the record itself is so deeply generic, seemingly born of an 
>"If you can't beat them, join them" attitude.

A long-winded way of saying it's crap?
>
>>BEP #6,
>
>I've nothing at all to say about this track, so I'll mention instead 
>that their other hit 'I Gotta Feeling' quitely notches up its 17th Top 
>10 week, the longest such run this decade.

Steadily catching 'Just Dance' on the YTD list, too.
>
>> Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #11,
>
>It's starting to look like she won't have a Top 10 hit in this country, 
>although she wasn't very far off in sales terms.

She was robbed...
>
>>Lady Gaga (BR) #14,
>
>Considering the year she's had so far, it might seem slightly 
>surprising that new material from her hasn't immediately reached at 
>least the top ten, but then this is a relatively unusual case of a 
>single rushed out as soon as it's announced, rather than waiting for a 
>head of steam to build up. Also, it's crap.

Didn't you say that about all her others too, though? :p
>
>>Calvin Harris #25,
>
>He used to work at M&S in Dumfries, you know.

So when they fired him, he decided on a music career? At least we know 
who to blame, then... :p
>
>> Re-entries T40 : Daughtry #39
>
>Very unusual chart run here.
>I guess in a way they're the new Jeff Buckley.

Except they are still alive...
>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kano #44,
>
>New track  from his as yet unfinished fourth album, which I haven't 
>heard yet. I hope it's not named after the Guy Ritchie film.

I hope I never hear it.
>
>>Journey #52 (*),
>
>>(*) Also, a re-entry. Plus a new peak position, 27 years after first 
>>release!
>
>That makes it sound like it's three things. Which I suppose it is if 
>you could "rubbish".

Currently #13 on iT, so its T40 debut looks assured next week.
>
>> Katherine Jenkins #74 :) :)
>
>Of course she'll be utterly ecstatic to have been outsold by a past-it 
>Sean Kingston.

>In reality of course it doesn't matter too much, since her career is 
>hardly dependent on big chart singles, but the record company might 
>have been hoping for better.

If only they'd got her on XF (again)...
>
>> Re-entries T75 : MJ-Thriller #44, Ray Parker Jr #57, MJ-MITM #59, 
>>Bobby  Pickett #61
>
>I'm not sure whether 'Man In The Mirror' is supposed to be part of 
>Halloween or not.

I did wonder. :p
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Cheryl completes the double, despite a strong 2nd week challenge from 
>>Michael Buble.
>
>Debut solo set from.. oh everyone knows who she is, why bother?
>And "why bother" is a phrase that springs to mind a lot when listening 
>to this determinedly bland record.

Grin.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Michael Jackson #3,
>
>Credit where it's due to Michael Jackson fans, they've shown a bit of 
>backbone and not blindly sent to the top of the chart.

Where would it have charted if the one new song had been unbundled?
>
>> Soldiers #4,
>
>It's all covers apart from the title track, released as a download 
>single to suprisingly little success.

Why would that be surprising?
>
>> Katherine Jenkins #6,
>
>The first release from her new big-money contract with Warner Music, 
>produced by David Foster who's best known for work with Michael Buble, 
>Josh Groban and Seal's boring karaoke era.
>Possibly for this reason, there's very little conventional classical 
>repertoire on here, with the bulk of the material being from the 20th 
>century (even the 21st in the case of the single and Sarah McLachlan's 
>'Angel').

A very disappointing 6th. Probably too 'cross-over' to be allowed in the 
classical album chart.
>
>> Ultrabeat #29,
>
>Apparently their second album, although I'm not sure how that relates 
>to the album Discolights which seems to have almost all the same tracks 
>on it.
>A bonus DVD includes all their videos to date (relax girls!) and some 
>live tracks.

Snore.
>
>> Morrissey #55,
>
>Collection of B-sides from his last three albums

Oh, that's why it bombed.

>his fans don't seem as desperate as they once were to buy a load of 
>tracks they already have.

The concept would surely have worked better for someone who didn't sell 
as high a proportion of physical singles.
>
>>Miike Snow #59,
>
>Swedish-American trio. The Swedes are Bloodshy & Avant, better known as 
>producers and writers of many hits including 'Toxic' by Britney Spears. 
>However, they've obviously desired to prove that they can make really 
>boring music too.

What's with their 'mis-spelling' of Miike, anyway?
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Unfortunately I fear the XF effect will strike again, taking the 
>>bloody  awful JLS to #1. :(
>
>Yes, how dare they wrest the Number One slot away from Chery- no, hang 
>on a minute...

Well, at least Cheryl is attractive... :p
>
>> Top  5 : BEP (T3)
>
>I suppose so. Can't think why.

I said that the last two times, as well...
>
>> Top 10 : Bon Jovi
>
>I think that might be going a bit far, considering their last one 
>failed even to produce a Top 30 single and there are no physicals or 
>anything.

XF, period.
>
>> Snow Patrol
>
>Agreed.

I guess Chasing Cars will get yet another boost from this, as well.
>
>> Top 30 :
>
>>Chase & Status
>
>Already seems to be Top 20 on iTunes. And I hadn't even heard of it 
>until yesterday.

Nor had I, and I still haven't heard it.
>
>> Top 40 :
>
>>Scooter
>
>Is this the same one you mentioned last week? If so, I'll reserve 
>judgement un til I know whether it actually exists or not.

Well, the video does.
>
>> As always, there are bound to be download releases I don't know about.
>
>Well, there seem to be a couple more X-Factor rejects but that's hardly 
>a guarantee of success nowadays. Meanwhile, there's the unwelcome 
>threat of Journeyn

>and of the other Chris Brown.

At least we know he'll never get any of the big-name rappers to 
collaborate with him - IIRC Jay-Z even threatened to kill him!
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The #1 is far from obvious this time, with a climb there by Michael 
>>Buble  being quite possible.
>
>But not the only possibility, of course.
>
>> Top 10 NE : Bon Jovi,
>
>I think we can safely assume Top 5 here, and in fact none of their 
>albums on new songs has charted lower than 2 in more than 20 years, so 
>I wouldn't rule them out for the top either.

I must admit I didn't check their past record.
>
>> Top 20 NE :
>
>> Others : Bee Gees,
>
>Any reason you don't think this'll even go Top 20?
>NB: In this context, "because it's got loads of crappy Bee Gees songs 
>on it " doesn't work.

How about : because all their fans already have all the songs?
>
>>Joss Stone,
>
>This one, though, I have no idea about.

It should go T75, at least. Plus, on Amazon *all* the album tracks have 
'explicit' next to their title...
>
>>Katherine Jenkins (UC),
>
>I suppose probably Top 40.

Her former record company's last chance to milk her back catalogue...
>
>Are you aware that Julian Casabalancas is the lead singer from The 
>Strokes?

No - but then I've never heard his name ever before...
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:01:20 GMT, Paul Hyett
 wrote:

>On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 20:57:52, Robbie  wrote in 
>uk.music.charts :
>
>>Paul Hyett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>>  Top  5 : BEP (T3)
>>
>>possibly number one the week after as they are on the X Factor next 
>>Sunday (8 November)
>
>I'd be surprised - 3rd single from the album, not to mention what it's 
>already sold.
>>
>>Journey should also finally make the top 40, possibly even the top 20.
>
>And it'll only have taken them 27 years... :p

So, just twice the length of one of their guitar solos then. :-)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:i9fxl6Cr5o7KFwtO@blueyonder.co.uk...
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 23:28:27, Chris Brown  
> wrote in uk.music.charts :

>>
>>I've nothing at all to say about this track, so I'll mention instead that 
>>their other hit 'I Gotta Feeling' quitely notches up its 17th Top 10 week, 
>>the longest such run this decade.
>
> Steadily catching 'Just Dance' on the YTD list, too.

That list used to be on this site, but disappeared several
months ago now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_British_music

Any idea where I can find it now?

Col

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 at 09:49:26, Col  wrote in 
uk.music.charts :

>
>"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
>news:i9fxl6Cr5o7KFwtO@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 23:28:27, Chris Brown 
>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>
>>>I've nothing at all to say about this track, so I'll mention instead that
>>>their other hit 'I Gotta Feeling' quitely notches up its 17th Top 10 week,
>>>the longest such run this decade.
>>
>> Steadily catching 'Just Dance' on the YTD list, too.
>
>That list used to be on this site, but disappeared several
>months ago now.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_British_music
>
>Any idea where I can find it now?

Possibly - seeing as it's me that complies it... :p

Not the *real* one of course - that's the OCC's job, but the one with 
estimated sales. :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
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> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 23:28:27, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Westlife #2,
>>
>>Fairly predictable cover of the song originally released by American Idol
>>spin-off act Daughtry (see below) and used as incidental music on
>>X-Factor, a performance on whch is the only detectable promotion for this
>>version of the song.
>
> At least that should ensure a swift demise.

True, although Westlife singles tend not to hang about nowadays anyhow.

>>Amazingly, not the worst cover version in the Top 40 this week.
>
> I'll read on...

In case you missed it I picked on Michael Buble  because he did a bad cover 
of a song that was actually good.

>>> Jay Sean #3,
>>
>>It's exactly five years since his previous chart peak when 'Stolen'
>>entered at 4.
>>Only now does he manage to outdo that with this single which has already
>>topped the US singles chart, surely a pretty rare occurence for a British
>>act with a record that's yet to chart over here. Considering that, it's
>>attracted surprisingly little attention here, possibly because the record
>>itself is so deeply generic, seemingly born of an "If you can't beat them,
>>join them" attitude.
>
> A long-winded way of saying it's crap?

I think perhaps that'd be going a bit far, because it doesn't seem capable 
of arousing such strong emotions.
And he could have made a record that was crap in a remarkable or distinctive 
way, but IMO he hasn't.

I do find it interesting that this has had only a fraction of the attention 
that James Blunt and Leona  Lewis got when they topped the chart there, 
despite this being if anything the more impressive achievement.

>>> Top 20 : Miley Cyrus #11,
>>
>>It's starting to look like she won't have a Top 10 hit in this country,
>>although she wasn't very far off in sales terms.
>
> She was robbed...

Perhaps whoever did it should be made to listen to this as punishment.

>>>Lady Gaga (BR) #14,
>>
>>Considering the year she's had so far, it might seem slightly surprising
>>that new material from her hasn't immediately reached at least the top
>>ten, but then this is a relatively unusual case of a single rushed out as
>>soon as it's announced, rather than waiting for a head of steam to build
>>up. Also, it's crap.
>
> Didn't you say that about all her others too, though? :p

Possibly. But that doesn't mean it's not true!

>>>Calvin Harris #25,
>>
>>He used to work at M&S in Dumfries, you know.
>
> So when they fired him, he decided on a music career? At least we know who
> to blame, then... :p

Heh.

>>> Re-entries T40 : Daughtry #39
>>
>>Very unusual chart run here.
>>I guess in a way they're the new Jeff Buckley.
>
> Except they are still alive...

And people call this a just world?

>>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Kano #44,
>>
>>New track  from his as yet unfinished fourth album, which I haven't heard
>>yet. I hope it's not named after the Guy Ritchie film.
>
> I hope I never hear it.

I hope you don't hear it, too.


>>> Katherine Jenkins #74 :) :)
>>
>>Of course she'll be utterly ecstatic to have been outsold by a past-it
>>Sean Kingston.
>
>>In reality of course it doesn't matter too much, since her career is
>>hardly dependent on big chart singles, but the record company might have
>>been hoping for better.
>
> If only they'd got her on XF (again)...

Well, it's a different record company this time, although admittedly she 
might still have the same PR people.

Oh and apparently some of Evanescence wrote 'What About Now?' so this might 
be a lucrative week for them!

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Cheryl completes the double, despite a strong 2nd week challenge from
>>> Michael Buble.
>>
>>Debut solo set from.. oh everyone knows who she is, why bother?
>>And "why bother" is a phrase that springs to mind a lot when listening to
>>this determinedly bland record.
>
> Grin.

I've resisted the obvious "three words" joke so far, but there is a title 
track...

>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>> ---------------------
>>> Top 10 : Michael Jackson #3,
>>
>>Credit where it's due to Michael Jackson fans, they've shown a bit of
>>backbone and not blindly sent to the top of the chart.
>
> Where would it have charted if the one new song had been unbundled?

Possibly not that much different, in the end.

>>> Soldiers #4,
>>
>>It's all covers apart from the title track, released as a download single
>>to suprisingly little success.
>
> Why would that be surprising?

Because there's clearly enough interest in them for a Top 5 album and I 
would have thought the single would be the most promoted and it's (partly) 
for charity.

>>> Katherine Jenkins #6,
>>
>>The first release from her new big-money contract with Warner Music,
>>produced by David Foster who's best known for work with Michael Buble,
>>Josh Groban and Seal's boring karaoke era.
>>Possibly for this reason, there's very little conventional classical
>>repertoire on here, with the bulk of the material being from the 20th
>>century (even the 21st in the case of the single and Sarah McLachlan's
>>'Angel').
>
> A very disappointing 6th. Probably too 'cross-over' to be allowed in the
> classical album chart.

I shouldn't think there's even any question about it.
The only question is whether this was the right direction for her.

>>> Morrissey #55,
>>
>>Collection of B-sides from his last three albums
>
> Oh, that's why it bombed.

Yes, I'd expect him to do much better with new material. Or even new 
versions of old material, come to that.

>>his fans don't seem as desperate as they once were to buy a load of tracks
>>they already have.
>
> The concept would surely have worked better for someone who didn't sell as
> high a proportion of physical singles.

Perhaps. Although I suppose you could argue that part of the reason why he 
does relatively well on physicals is because there's more interest in his 
B-sides than most people's.
I think even Morrissey B-sides are available digitally now so I guess that 
would make this sort of collection less worthwhile generally; but I still 
don't blame him for releasing it.

>>>Miike Snow #59,
>>
>>Swedish-American trio. The Swedes are Bloodshy & Avant, better known as
>>producers and writers of many hits including 'Toxic' by Britney Spears.
>>However, they've obviously desired to prove that they can make really
>>boring music too.
>
> What's with their 'mis-spelling' of Miike, anyway?

I was going to say "it's so their music isn't the most annoying thing about 
them"  but I guess the real answer is that they wanted to make it clear they 
were a band rather than a bloke. Whether there's a real Mike Snow who could 
sue them I'm not sure.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Unfortunately I fear the XF effect will strike again, taking the bloody
>>> awful JLS to #1. :(
>>
>>Yes, how dare they wrest the Number One slot away from Chery- no, hang on
>>a minute...
>
> Well, at least Cheryl is attractive... :p

One a side issue, I was slightly perplexed to see an "X-Factor 3 
Compilation" on 7digital. But I suppose it must come from overseas since one 
of the tracks is credited to Horrible Porno Stuntmen...
http://www.7digital.com/artists/various-artists/x-factor-3-compilation/

>>> Top  5 : BEP (T3)
>>
>>I suppose so. Can't think why.
>
> I said that the last two times, as well...

And even you like them more than me.

>>> Top 10 : Bon Jovi
>>
>>I think that might be going a bit far, considering their last one failed
>>even to produce a Top 30 single and there are no physicals or anything.
>
> XF, period.

Congratulations! You've just won the Name Two Unpleasant Experiences That 
Occur About Twelve Times A Year competition. But what's it got to do with 
Bon Jovi? P-)

>>> Snow Patrol
>>
>>Agreed.
>
> I guess Chasing Cars will get yet another boost from this, as well.

I was going to say I thought it would happen more when the album came out, 
but it's already on 7Digital.

>>> Top 30 :
>>
>>>Chase & Status
>>
>>Already seems to be Top 20 on iTunes. And I hadn't even heard of it until
>>yesterday.
>
> Nor had I, and I still haven't heard it.

Well, I've only heard it because I looked it up online. I don't mind it 
actually, but it doesn't seem that obvious a hit.

>>> Top 40 :
>>
>>>Scooter
>>
>>Is this the same one you mentioned last week? If so, I'll reserve
>>judgement un til I know whether it actually exists or not.
>
> Well, the video does.

Fair point. Doesn't mean people can buy it though.

>>> As always, there are bound to be download releases I don't know about.
>>
>>Well, there seem to be a couple more X-Factor rejects but that's hardly a
>>guarantee of success nowadays. Meanwhile, there's the unwelcome threat of
>>Journeyn
>
>>and of the other Chris Brown.
>
> At least we know he'll never get any of the big-name rappers to
> collaborate with him -

Depends whether you count Lil Wayne as a big name, possibly.

>IIRC Jay-Z even threatened to kill him!

Yeah, he'll probably never do it. But do you remember how all the tabloids 
said they'd stop buying paparazzi photos after Diana died?

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The #1 is far from obvious this time, with a climb there by Michael
>>> Buble  being quite possible.
>>
>>But not the only possibility, of course.
>>
>>> Top 10 NE : Bon Jovi,
>>
>>I think we can safely assume Top 5 here, and in fact none of their albums
>>on new songs has charted lower than 2 in more than 20 years, so I wouldn't
>>rule them out for the top either.
>
> I must admit I didn't check their past record.

Insert obvious joke...

>>> Top 20 NE :
>>
>>> Others : Bee Gees,
>>
>>Any reason you don't think this'll even go Top 20?
>>NB: In this context, "because it's got loads of crappy Bee Gees songs on
>>it " doesn't work.
>
> How about : because all their fans already have all the songs?

Fair point, although I'm not sure it's any truer than on the two other 
occasions this decade they've had Top 10 compilations. They even managed to 
get a re-issue of an out-of date one into the Top 40 a couple of years back.

>>>Joss Stone,
>>
>>This one, though, I have no idea about.
>
> It should go T75, at least. Plus, on Amazon *all* the album tracks have
> 'explicit' next to their title...

What, even 'Mr Wankerman'?

Seriously, the only publicity I've seen anywhere for this is her droning on 
about how much she hates her record company.

>>>Katherine Jenkins (UC),
>>
>>I suppose probably Top 40.
>
> Her former record company's last chance to milk her back catalogue...

Last? I wouldn't bet on that.

>>Are you aware that Julian Casabalancas is the lead singer from The
>>Strokes?
>
> No - but then I've never heard his name ever before...

Well, I appreciate the honesty.
Anyway, his colleague Albert Hammond Jr managed a Top 75 album so I'd expect 
this to do similarly well.

    Chris

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 at 20:40:43, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Westlife #2,
>>
>> At least that should ensure a swift demise.
>
>True, although Westlife singles tend not to hang about nowadays anyhow.

Did they *ever*?
>
>>>Amazingly, not the worst cover version in the Top 40 this week.
>>
>> I'll read on...
>
>In case you missed it I picked on Michael Buble  because he did a bad 
>cover of a song that was actually good.

Which was that? All I heard was an awful cover of the awful CMAR... :p
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Top 10 :
>
>>>> Soldiers #4,
>>>
>>>It's all covers apart from the title track, released as a download single
>>>to suprisingly little success.
>>
>> Why would that be surprising?
>
>Because there's clearly enough interest in them for a Top 5 album and I 
>would have thought the single would be the most promoted and it's 
>(partly) for charity.

That's applicable to KJ's cover of BMTL too (well not the charity part, 
and she only *just* missed the T5).
>
>>>> Katherine Jenkins #6,
>>
>> A very disappointing 6th. Probably too 'cross-over' to be allowed in the
>> classical album chart.
>
>I shouldn't think there's even any question about it.
>The only question is whether this was the right direction for her.

I have no complaints. :)
>
>>>>Miike Snow #59,
>>>
>>>Swedish-American trio. The Swedes are Bloodshy & Avant, better known as
>>>producers and writers of many hits including 'Toxic' by Britney Spears.
>>>However, they've obviously desired to prove that they can make really
>>>boring music too.
>>
>> What's with their 'mis-spelling' of Miike, anyway?
>
>I was going to say "it's so their music isn't the most annoying thing 
>about them"  but I guess the real answer is that they wanted to make it 
>clear they were a band rather than a bloke.

Which it doesn't... :p

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>
>>>> Top  5 : BEP (T3)
>>>
>>>I suppose so. Can't think why.
>>
>> I said that the last two times, as well...
>
>And even you like them more than me.

No - just Fergie. :p
>>
>> At least we know he'll never get any of the big-name rappers to
>> collaborate with him -
>
>Depends whether you count Lil Wayne as a big name, possibly.

I don't.

The main three that come to mind are : Eminem, Kanye & Jay-Z.

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>>Joss Stone,
>>>
>>>This one, though, I have no idea about.
>>
>> It should go T75, at least. Plus, on Amazon *all* the album tracks have
>> 'explicit' next to their title...
>
>What, even 'Mr Wankerman'?

Grin.
>
>Seriously, the only publicity I've seen anywhere for this is her 
>droning on about how much she hates her record company.

It's herself she should hate - she had a good thing going as a pretty, 
soulful Devon teenager, and she blew it.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 at 09:49:26, Col  wrote in 
> uk.music.charts :
>
>>
>>"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
>>news:i9fxl6Cr5o7KFwtO@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 23:28:27, Chris Brown 
>>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>>
>>>>I've nothing at all to say about this track, so I'll mention instead 
>>>>that
>>>>their other hit 'I Gotta Feeling' quitely notches up its 17th Top 10 
>>>>week,
>>>>the longest such run this decade.
>>>
>>> Steadily catching 'Just Dance' on the YTD list, too.
>>
>>That list used to be on this site, but disappeared several
>>months ago now.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_British_music
>>
>>Any idea where I can find it now?
>
> Possibly - seeing as it's me that complies it... :p
>
> Not the *real* one of course - that's the OCC's job, but the one with 
> estimated sales. :)

So how come it's not on that Wiki site anymore?

Col

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 at 09:23:01, Col  wrote in 
uk.music.charts :

>>>>the YTD list
>>>
>>>That list used to be on this site, but disappeared several
>>>months ago now.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_British_music
>>>
>>>Any idea where I can find it now?
>>
>> Possibly - seeing as it's me that complies it... :p
>>
>> Not the *real* one of course - that's the OCC's job, but the one with
>> estimated sales. :)
>
>So how come it's not on that Wiki site anymore?

Because it was never me who posted it there in the first place...

The YTD's can be found on both the Buzzjack & Haven chart forums, 
though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Col"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
> news:7mFHDQIDKx7KFwfV@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 at 09:49:26, Col  wrote in 
>> uk.music.charts :
>>
>>>
>>>"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
>>>news:i9fxl6Cr5o7KFwtO@blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 at 23:28:27, Chris Brown 
>>>> 
>>>> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I've nothing at all to say about this track, so I'll mention instead 
>>>>>that
>>>>>their other hit 'I Gotta Feeling' quitely notches up its 17th Top 10 
>>>>>week,
>>>>>the longest such run this decade.
>>>>
>>>> Steadily catching 'Just Dance' on the YTD list, too.
>>>
>>>That list used to be on this site, but disappeared several
>>>months ago now.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_British_music
>>>
>>>Any idea where I can find it now?
>>
>> Possibly - seeing as it's me that complies it... :p
>>
>> Not the *real* one of course - that's the OCC's job, but the one with 
>> estimated sales. :)
>
> So how come it's not on that Wiki site anymore?

"Citation needed"?

    Chris

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
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> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 at 20:40:43, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Westlife #2,
>>>
>>> At least that should ensure a swift demise.
>>
>>True, although Westlife singles tend not to hang about nowadays anyhow.
>
> Did they *ever*?

Actually, I was wondering about that. According to Chartstats, all of their 
first 13 hits spent at least ten weeks on chart. Only two of the ten since 
then have managed it (unsurprisingly, 'You Raise Me Up' and 'Home') and this 
is against the overall trend for longer chart runs in the second half of 
this decade...

>>>>Amazingly, not the worst cover version in the Top 40 this week.
>>>
>>> I'll read on...
>>
>>In case you missed it I picked on Michael Buble  because he did a bad
>>cover of a song that was actually good.
>
> Which was that? All I heard was an awful cover of the awful CMAR... :p

It's not the Justin Timberlake song you know.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>> ---------------------
>>>>> Top 10 :
>>
>>>>> Soldiers #4,
>>>>
>>>>It's all covers apart from the title track, released as a download
>>>>single
>>>>to suprisingly little success.
>>>
>>> Why would that be surprising?
>>
>>Because there's clearly enough interest in them for a Top 5 album and I
>>would have thought the single would be the most promoted and it's (partly)
>>for charity.
>
> That's applicable to KJ's cover of BMTL too (well not the charity part,
> and she only *just* missed the T5).

Right, but her single did do noticeably better than theirs, despite the 
extra disadvantage of not being released before the album.

>>>>> Katherine Jenkins #6,
>>>
>>> A very disappointing 6th. Probably too 'cross-over' to be allowed in the
>>> classical album chart.
>>
>>I shouldn't think there's even any question about it.
>>The only question is whether this was the right direction for her.
>
> I have no complaints. :)

Do you actually prefer this style or just not mind?

>>>>>Miike Snow #59,
>>>>
>>>>Swedish-American trio. The Swedes are Bloodshy & Avant, better known as
>>>>producers and writers of many hits including 'Toxic' by Britney Spears.
>>>>However, they've obviously desired to prove that they can make really
>>>>boring music too.
>>>
>>> What's with their 'mis-spelling' of Miike, anyway?
>>
>>I was going to say "it's so their music isn't the most annoying thing
>>about them"  but I guess the real answer is that they wanted to make it
>>clear they were a band rather than a bloke.
>
> Which it doesn't... :p

I suppose it might tip you off a little.

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>> Top  5 : BEP (T3)
>>>>
>>>>I suppose so. Can't think why.
>>>
>>> I said that the last two times, as well...
>>
>>And even you like them more than me.
>
> No - just Fergie. :p

Still one up on me there.

>>> At least we know he'll never get any of the big-name rappers to
>>> collaborate with him -
>>
>>Depends whether you count Lil Wayne as a big name, possibly.
>
> I don't.

Not in this country, no, but more so in the US which I suspect would matter 
more.

> The main three that come to mind are : Eminem, Kanye & Jay-Z.

I'd say those would be the Top 3 now, although of course the list can 
change.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>>Joss Stone,
>>>>
>>>>This one, though, I have no idea about.
>>>
>>> It should go T75, at least. Plus, on Amazon *all* the album tracks have
>>> 'explicit' next to their title...
>>
>>What, even 'Mr Wankerman'?
>
> Grin.
>>
>>Seriously, the only publicity I've seen anywhere for this is her droning
>>on about how much she hates her record company.
>
> It's herself she should hate - she had a good thing going as a pretty,
> soulful Devon teenager, and she blew it.

Well, to be fair, it's hardly her fault she's not a teenager any more.

    Chris

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 at 18:31:48, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> New Entries/New Peaks
>>>>>> ---------------------
>
>>>>>> Katherine Jenkins #6,
>>>>
>>>> A very disappointing 6th. Probably too 'cross-over' to be allowed in the
>>>> classical album chart.
>>>
>>>I shouldn't think there's even any question about it.
>>>The only question is whether this was the right direction for her.
>>
>> I have no complaints. :)
>
>Do you actually prefer this style or just not mind?

She's so gorgeous that I don't mind in what context I see her. :p
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 at 09:23:01, Col  wrote in 
> uk.music.charts :
>
>>>>>the YTD list
>>>>
>>>>That list used to be on this site, but disappeared several
>>>>months ago now.
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_British_music
>>>>
>>>>Any idea where I can find it now?
>>>
>>> Possibly - seeing as it's me that complies it... :p
>>>
>>> Not the *real* one of course - that's the OCC's job, but the one with
>>> estimated sales. :)
>>
>>So how come it's not on that Wiki site anymore?
>
> Because it was never me who posted it there in the first place...
>
> The YTD's can be found on both the Buzzjack & Haven chart forums, though.

True, after a bit of digging......

Col