Singles
-------
Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart 
eligible) single to #1.

They are also the first non X-Factor act to go to #1 with their first 
chart hit in over 2 years (Duffy having had Rockferry reach #45 before 
Mercy charted).

It's also the first time since 11/3/06 that both the top 2 have been new 
entries (though on 2/11/07, Leona's 'Keep Bleeding' was new, and Take 
That's 'Rule The World' climbed from #46 to #2).

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Rihanna #2
Top 20 : Duffy (WA) #13, Pigeon Detectives #14, Nelly #16, Gabriella 
Cilmi #19 :)
Top 30 : Sara Bareilles #23, Ashlee Simpson #26, Santogold #27, Taio 
Cruz #30
Top 40 : Royworld #35, Lil Wayne #39, FOB ft JM #40

Re-entries T40 : none

New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Cure #48, Neil Diamond 
#49, Vampire Weekend #52, Hot Chip #53, Gusto #54, Paramore #55, Sandi 
Thom #59, Madonna (GI2M) #60, Chanelle Hayes #63, David Jordan #68

Re-entries : Snap (RIAD) #71, Rihanna (U) #73, Pendulum (BS) #74

Albums
------
Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1 
album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio 
album.

New Entries/New Peaks
---------------------
Top 10 : Pendulum #2, Jay Sean #6, Frank Sinatra #10,
Top 20 : Searchers #11, Iron Maiden #14, Bobby Vee #18

New outside the top 20 : Josh Groban #22, Death Cab For Cutie #24, 
Santogold #26, Moby #28, Martha Wainwright #29, Dan Le Sac v Scroobius 
Pip #31, Flight Of The Conchords #32, Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan 
#38, Charlatans #39, Bon Iver #43, Will.I.Am #68

Re-entries : Kelly Rowland #23, Pendulum (HYC) #41

Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
I'm much more confident in my pick this week - Rihanna, as the CD is out 
this week.

Top  5 :
Top 10 : Duffy (WA), Morrissey, Nelly/Fergie
Top 20 : Andy Abraham, Ashlee Simpson, Futureheads, Royworld, Sara 
Bareilles, Ne-Yo
Top 30 : Sandi Thom, Taio Cruz
Top 40 : Amy McDonald, Gusto

Depending on download availability : Alphabeat, Zutons

Any other possibilities?

Albums
------
The Ting Ting's look the best bet for #1 in a relatively quiet week for 
new releases.

Top 10 NE : Hucknall
Top 20 NE : Beth Rowley

Others : Hall & Oates, Osmonds, Sparks, Thea Gilmore
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Sun, 18 May 2008 at 19:08:23, Paul Hyett 
 wrote in uk.music.charts :

>Albums
>------
>Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1 
>album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio 
>album.
>
>New Entries/New Peaks
>---------------------
>Top 10 : Pendulum #2, Jay Sean #6, Frank Sinatra #10,

Can't believe I omitted Gabriella Cilmi's new peak position of #8!
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Sun, 18 May 2008 20:08:23 +0100, Paul Hyett  
 wrote:

> Singles
> -------
> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart  
> eligible) single to #1.
>
> They are also the first non X-Factor act to go to #1 with their first  
> chart hit in over 2 years (Duffy having had Rockferry reach #45 before  
> Mercy charted).
>
> It's also the first time since 11/3/06 that both the top 2 have been new  
> entries (though on 2/11/07, Leona's 'Keep Bleeding' was new, and Take  
> That's 'Rule The World' climbed from #46 to #2).
>

In the beginning there was "My Sharona" which begat "No Good Advice" which
begat "That's Not My Name"...

Did you go to Sunday School Paul? :)

It's a good record, although I'm also surprised it went to number 1, but
it makes a nice change from the usual stuff that tops the charts.

Fred X

On Mon, 19 May 2008 at 22:03:40, Fred X  wrote in 
uk.music.charts :
>
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart 
>>eligible) single to #1.
>>
>> They are also the first non X-Factor act to go to #1 with their first 
>>chart hit in over 2 years (Duffy having had Rockferry reach #45 before 
>>Mercy charted).
>>
>> It's also the first time since 11/3/06 that both the top 2 have been 
>>new   entries (though on 2/11/07, Leona's 'Keep Bleeding' was new, and 
>>Take   That's 'Rule The World' climbed from #46 to #2).
>>
>
>In the beginning there was "My Sharona" which begat "No Good Advice" which
>begat "That's Not My Name"...
>
>Did you go to Sunday School Paul? :)

Huh?
>
>It's a good record, although I'm also surprised it went to number 1

So was I, but I'm glad it kept that insipid Rihanna record from the top, 
at least for a week.

>, but
>it makes a nice change from the usual stuff that tops the charts.
>
I thought their previous, 'banned' record was better, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On May 18, 3:08 pm, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> Singles
> -------
> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart
> eligible) single to #1.

At least I assume this is their first, since AFAIK there weren't any
others before 'Great DJ'.

> They are also the first non X-Factor act to go to #1 with their first
> chart hit in over 2 years (Duffy having had Rockferry reach #45 before
> Mercy charted).

Which is a bit of a scary statistic, really.

> It's also the first time since 11/3/06 that both the top 2 have been new
> entries (though on 2/11/07, Leona's 'Keep Bleeding' was new,

'Bleeding Love', surely?

>and Take
> That's 'Rule The World' climbed from #46 to #2).

New to the Top 40, then.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Rihanna #2

Had this gone all the way, she would have deposed Madonna with a song
that shares its title with a previous Madonna hit. Buut she didn't.

> Top 20 :  Pigeon Detectives #14,

Parts of this remind me of the slow bit at the beginning of 'Take Me
Out'. But without the good fast bit afterwards.

> Gabriella
> Cilmi #19 :)

Clearly unharmed by the association with that awfule movie, then.

> Top 30 : Santogold #27,

Either I've totally misread the schedule or this is another late
climber.

> Top 40 : Royworld #35,

Out today on CD & 7".

> Lil Wayne #39,

And I *still* haven't heard it!

> FOB ft JM #40

Fortunately, I haven't heard this all the way through either.

> Re-entries T40 : none
>
> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Cure #48,

The first of a monthly series of singles, leading up to a new album in
September - but if even this one can't reach the Top 40, the remaining
three have no realistic chance. Whether Robert Smith cares I don't
know.

> Neil Diamond
> #49,

Considering this download-only release coincided with the album,
that's - ahem - pretty amazing.

>Vampire Weekend #52,

Is this download-only? Either way, it seems to be outperforming the
previous effort, possibly because they've been in the UK.

>Hot Chip #53,

Following up a Top Ten single, but this seems to have gone out pretty
much unnoticed.

>Gusto #54,

Out (again) on CD today.

>Paramore #55,

Release a single with no B-sides about a year after the album and...
'That's What You Get'.

> Sandi
> Thom #59,

Out today.

> Chanelle Hayes #63,

Yes, it's another single release by a Big Brother contestant, several
months after anyone cared. Needless to say, any record company you've
heard of has already learned its lesson.

> David Jordan #68

Releases a single called 'Move On'. And it looks like everyone has.

> Re-entries : Snap (RIAD) #71,

That's as serious as, er, a not-very-good record recharting just
because it's in some stupid advert.

>  Pendulum (BS) #74

Oh come on, it's not that bad! ;-)

> Albums
> ------
> Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1
> album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio
> album.

A big surprise to some people, maybe.
What might be more surprising is that this is also his first US Number
One album. It's another collaboration with production legend Rick
Rubin, who seems to have picked on Diamond as a substitute for Johnny
Cash, though it doesn't seem to suit him as well - maybe because
Diamond is more instinctively Showbiz than Cash.
A deluxe version adds a DVD and two extra tracks: one of them is 'Make
You Feel My Love', that song's third appearance on a Top 10 album is
seven months.

> New Entries/New Peaks
> ---------------------
> Top 10 : Pendulum #2,

The sequel to one of the most successful Drum N Bass albums of all
time, In Silico mashes up elements of dance, industrial, prog, metal
and, er, not very good singing.

> Jay Sean #6,

Second album from the homegrown R&B star, who seems to be heading for
some sort of cult status.

> Frank Sinatra #10,

Nothing But The Best seems a daring title for an album that includes
'Somethin' Stupid' and the "wrong" version of 'Come Fly With Me', but
this is a solid retrospective of his Reprise years.
A limited edition adds a live DVD.

> Top 20 : Searchers #11, Iron Maiden #14, Bobby Vee #18

I can only assume that these three compilations are somehow targetted
at the Father's Day market, since they're not obviously topical in any
other way and there certainly have been previous collections for all
of these acts.
Indeed, the Maiden album only covers the years 1980-89, which
presumably means we'll be getting subsequent volumes to cover the next
two decades. Unusually for a full-price compilation, some of the
tracks are live versions.

> New outside the top 20 : Josh Groban #22,

With the perhaps not-accurately-titled Awake Live, which I'm slightly
surprised to see in the album chart as there's a lot more DVD than CD
here.

> Death Cab For Cutie #24,

Second hit album for them, although I think it's about their eighth in
total.
The digital version of the album includes a 7" edit of the single 'I
Will Possess Your Heart' and a bonus track of somebody reading out all
the sleeve credits.

> Moby #28,

A month after digital release, as the physical was postponed to awit
somebody noticing he was still around.

> Martha Wainwright #29,

The only member of her family to appear on a Top 40 single, albeit not
alone, returns with the album I Know You're Married But I Have
Feelings Too.
Wainwright herself is now married, but I still don't think she's much
of a singer. And there was no need to cover 'See Emily Play'.

>Dan Le Sac v Scroobius
> Pip #31,

Busy week, isn't it?
Another much-anticipated debut, including the hit 'Thou Shalt Always
Kill', the less successful 'Beat That My Heart Skipped' and 'Look For
The Woman' and the Radiohead-sampling freebie 'Open Letter From God To
Man'.

>Flight Of The Conchords #32,

New Zealand comedy duo with a set of songs from their (in-character)
TV series.  Like the Moby record, this has been out on MP3 for some
weeks, although how many it's actually sold that way I don't know.

> Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan
> #38,

Which if I remember correctly is exactly where their previous album as
a duo ended up. It's actually Lanegan's second chart album this year,
as he's also part of The Gutter Twins; neither he nor Campbell has
managed to chart with any solo albums though.

>Charlatans #39,

Their lowest-charting studio album ever, presumably because it was
(and AFAIK still is) available as a free download. And Alan McGee's
brilliant strategy of giving it away in partnership with a radio
station is a great way to ensure that nobody else will give it any
airplay.
Now, contrary to the original plan, it's out on vinyl, CD or a double
CD with a couple of extra outtakes and live tracks - or you can pay to
download it, if you want.

> Bon Iver #43,

Bad French for "Good Winter", which may have seemed more appropriate
as the week wore on.
He's really Justin Vernon, who recorded this entirely alone while
living in a lgo cabin in Wisconsin.

>Will.I.Am #68

Two hit singles and the frontman of one of the world's biggest bands
still can't get his album into the Top 60!

> Re-entries : Kelly Rowland #23,


This is the new deluxe version of the album, which seems to dump the
majority of the original disc in favour of the remix of 'Work', the
current single 'Daylight' and some other new tracks. Maybe she should
have gone for broke and released an entirely new album.

>
> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> I'm much more confident in my pick this week - Rihanna, as the CD is out
> this week.

That seems likely, yes, since I presue she can't have been very far
behind last time.

> Top 10 : Duffy (WA),

Likely.

> Morrissey,

Less likely, if the one before couldn't manage it.

> Nelly/Fergie

Very likely.

> Top 20 : Andy Abraham,

I suppose so, although I can't claim to heave heard it often.

> Ashlee Simpson,

Looks possible from where she is now.

> Futureheads,

I've put my money down, but since '...Twist' was only just Top 20 I
don't think it can be guaranteed.

> Royworld,

Very likely, since there seems to be an insatiable appetite for this
sort of thing at the moment.

> Sara
> Bareilles,

Bound to be.

> Ne-Yo

Eventually, yes, although of course he's slipped slightly this week.

> Top 30 : Sandi Thom,

If she's lucky.

> Taio Cruz

He's already there.

> Top 40 : Amy McDonald,

Considering that the more-ballyhooed 'Run' barely scraped the Top 75,
I don't think the has much chance of selling as a single. It's
obviously all about the album now.

> Gusto

Dance music has just given up now, hasn't it?

> Depending on download availability : Alphabeat,

This one is out, on at least one site.

> Zutons

I can't find this one, but that doesn't prove anything.

> Any other possibilities?

Only Spiritualized, as far as I can see.

> Albums
> ------
> The Ting Ting's look the best bet for #1 in a relatively quiet week for
> new releases.

You iknow, we're having so many relatively quiet weeks now I'm not
sure we won't have to recalibrate!

> Top 10 NE : Hucknall


Eminently possible, although there's always a danger in dropping a
well-known brand.

> Top 20 NE : Beth Rowley

Also possible, although it's very much a Radio 2 thing.

> Others : Hall & Oates,

I presume this is a best-of, since I've heard nothing else?

> Osmonds,

I don't think this is new, although that obviously won't stop it
charting.

>Sparks,

They've threatened to return to the album charts many a time - so I
suppose one day they will.

>Thea Gilmore

Perhaps, although her profile has receded a little of late.


 Chris

On Tue, 20 May 2008 at 07:32:37, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart
>> eligible) single to #1.
>
>At least I assume this is their first, since AFAIK there weren't any
>others before 'Great DJ'.

This is definitely their first, though I'm very curious how high 'Great 
DJ' would have charted.
>
>Which is a bit of a scary statistic, really.
>
>> It's also the first time since 11/3/06 that both the top 2 have been new
>> entries (though on 2/11/07, Leona's 'Keep Bleeding' was new,
>
>'Bleeding Love', surely?

I was getting it confused with its effect on my ears. :)
>
>>and Take
>> That's 'Rule The World' climbed from #46 to #2).
>
>New to the Top 40, then.

Yes.
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 : Rihanna #2
>
>Had this gone all the way, she would have deposed Madonna with a song
>that shares its title with a previous Madonna hit. Buut she didn't.

But she did 'depose Madonna in the sense that she overtook her, albeit 
behind another song that did the same...
>
>> Top 20 :  Pigeon Detectives #14,
>
>Parts of this remind me of the slow bit at the beginning of 'Take Me
>Out'. But without the good fast bit afterwards.

It reminds me of something else, but I can't remember what.
>
>> Gabriella
>> Cilmi #19 :)
>
>Clearly unharmed by the association with that awfule movie, then.

Is that better or worse than the armpit references? :)
>
>> Top 30 : Santogold #27,
>
>Either I've totally misread the schedule or this is another late
>climber.

Was out on CD last week.
>
>> Top 40 : Royworld #35,
>
>Out today on CD & 7".

Well, yesterday - but who cares in this one's case?
>
>> Lil Wayne #39,
>
>And I *still* haven't heard it!

Even in America where it's a monster hit, IIRC?
>
>> FOB ft JM #40
>
>Fortunately, I haven't heard this all the way through either.

Hasn't one of the group just married Ashley Simpson?
>>
>> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Cure #48,
>
>The first of a monthly series of singles

New ones, presumably?

>, leading up to a new album in
>September - but if even this one can't reach the Top 40, the remaining
>three have no realistic chance. Whether Robert Smith cares I don't
>know.

Well, at least the level of publicity can't fall much lower...
>
>> Neil Diamond
>> #49,
>
>Considering this download-only release coincided with the album,
>that's - ahem - pretty amazing.

Or scary. :)
>
>>Vampire Weekend #52,
>
>Is this download-only? Either way, it seems to be outperforming the
>previous effort, possibly because they've been in the UK.

No, full release.
>
>>Hot Chip #53,
>
>Following up a Top Ten single, but this seems to have gone out pretty
>much unnoticed.

Thank goodness.
>
>>Gusto #54,
>
>Out (again) on CD today.

Again?
>
>>Paramore #55,
>
>Release a single with no B-sides about a year after the album and...
>'That's What You Get'.

If the above is the case, then #55 is actually a pretty respectable 
performance.
>
>> Sandi
>> Thom #59,
>
>Out today.

Haven't heard it.
>
>> Chanelle Hayes #63,
>
>Yes, it's another single release by a Big Brother contestant, several
>months after anyone cared.

More like 7 years...
>
>> David Jordan #68
>
>Releases a single called 'Move On'. And it looks like everyone has.

Grin.
>
>> Re-entries : Snap (RIAD) #71,
>
>That's as serious as, er, a not-very-good record recharting just
>because it's in some stupid advert.

The mids suggest it may even be T40 this week!
>
>>  Pendulum (BS) #74
>
>Oh come on, it's not that bad! ;-)

I was gonna do that one... though I think the joke is actually true in 
their case.

All their recent singles have been making significant climbs on 
download.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1
>> album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio
>> album.
>
>A big surprise to some people, maybe.

Everyone who isn't a hardcore fan, I'd say.

>A deluxe version adds a DVD and two extra tracks: one of them is 'Make
>You Feel My Love', that song's third appearance on a Top 10 album is
>seven months.

As I suggested, the Chart Show *didn't* play a track from it. :)
>
>> New Entries/New Peaks
>> ---------------------
>> Top 10 :
>
>> Jay Sean #6,
>
>Second album from the homegrown R&B star, who seems to be heading for
>some sort of cult status.

Swap 'l' for 'n'...
>
>> Frank Sinatra #10,
>
>Nothing But The Best seems a daring title for an album that includes
>'Somethin' Stupid' and the "wrong" version of 'Come Fly With Me'

Wrong, how?

>, but
>this is a solid retrospective of his Reprise years.
>A limited edition adds a live DVD.

Released to mark the 10th anniv. of his death, apparently.
>
>> Top 20 : Searchers #11, Iron Maiden #14, Bobby Vee #18
>
>I can only assume that these three compilations are somehow targetted
>at the Father's Day market

Hadn't occurred to me.
>
>> New outside the top 20 :
>
>> Death Cab For Cutie #24,
>
>Second hit album for them

First T75, according to JM (who is not the most reliable source, 
admittedly).
>
>> Moby #28,
>
>A month after digital release, as the physical was postponed to awit
>somebody noticing he was still around.

Then why have they released it at all? :)
>
>>Dan Le Sac v Scroobius
>> Pip #31,
>
>Busy week, isn't it?

Indeed.
>
>>Flight Of The Conchords #32,
>
>New Zealand comedy duo with a set of songs from their (in-character)
>TV series.  Like the Moby record, this has been out on MP3 for some
>weeks, although how many it's actually sold that way I don't know.

At least a dozen...
>
>>Charlatans #39,
>
>Their lowest-charting studio album ever, presumably because it was
>(and AFAIK still is) available as a free download. And Alan McGee's
>brilliant strategy of giving it away in partnership with a radio
>station is a great way to ensure that nobody else will give it any
>airplay.

Whereas they'd have been playing it non-stop, otherwise? :)
>
>> Bon Iver #43,
>
>Bad French for "Good Winter", which may have seemed more appropriate
>as the week wore on.
>He's really Justin Vernon, who recorded this entirely alone while
>living in a lgo cabin in Wisconsin.

With howling wolves providing the choruses? :)
>
>> Re-entries : Kelly Rowland #23,
>
>This is the new deluxe version of the album, which seems to dump the
>majority of the original disc in favour of the remix of 'Work', the
>current single 'Daylight' and some other new tracks. Maybe she should
>have gone for broke and released an entirely new album.

Or not bothered, full stop.
>
>>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> I'm much more confident in my pick this week - Rihanna, as the CD is out
>> this week.
>
>That seems likely, yes, since I presue she can't have been very far
>behind last time.

She's not quite there in the Tues mids, though...
>
>> Top 10 : Duffy (WA),
>
>Likely.
>
>> Morrissey,
>
>Less likely, if the one before couldn't manage it.

I don't see him anywhere in the mids - but that's probably because the 
release date has been moved to next Monday.
>
>> Top 20 : Andy Abraham,
>
>I suppose so, although I can't claim to heave heard it often.

Or at all, in my case.
>
>> Ashlee Simpson,
>
>Looks possible from where she is now.

On honeymoon?
>
>> Ne-Yo
>
>Eventually, yes, although of course he's slipped slightly this week.

That's what happens when you release it way before the promo kicks in.
>
>> Top 30 :
>
>> Taio Cruz
>
>He's already there.

Who cares? :)
>
>> Depending on download availability : Alphabeat,
>
>This one is out, on at least one site.

Not T40 yet.
>
>> Zutons
>
>I can't find this one, but that doesn't prove anything.

T40 in the mids.
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>Only Spiritualized, as far as I can see.

Never heard of them.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Ting Ting's look the best bet for #1 in a relatively quiet week for
>> new releases.
>
>You iknow, we're having so many relatively quiet weeks now I'm not
>sure we won't have to recalibrate!

Well, last week was pretty lively - 17 NE's in the T40!
>
>> Top 10 NE : Hucknall
>
>Eminently possible, although there's always a danger in dropping a
>well-known brand.

Just T20 so far.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Beth Rowley
>
>Also possible, although it's very much a Radio 2 thing.

T10 on mids!
>
>> Others : Hall & Oates,
>
>I presume this is a best-of, since I've heard nothing else?

I can't even see it on the NR sched now.
>
>>Sparks,
>
>They've threatened to return to the album charts many a time - so I
>suppose one day they will.

If they can make it out of the pension queue...
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Tue, 20 May 2008 07:50:33 +0100, Paul Hyett  
 wrote:

> On Mon, 19 May 2008 at 22:03:40, Fred X  wrote in  
> uk.music.charts :
>>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart  
>>> eligible) single to #1.
>>>
>>> They are also the first non X-Factor act to go to #1 with their first  
>>> chart hit in over 2 years (Duffy having had Rockferry reach #45 before  
>>> Mercy charted).
>>>
>>> It's also the first time since 11/3/06 that both the top 2 have been  
>>> new   entries (though on 2/11/07, Leona's 'Keep Bleeding' was new, and  
>>> Take   That's 'Rule The World' climbed from #46 to #2).
>>>
>>
>> In the beginning there was "My Sharona" which begat "No Good Advice"  
>> which
>> begat "That's Not My Name"...
>>
>> Did you go to Sunday School Paul? :)
>
> Huh?
>>

I was paraphrasing Genesis from the bible.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/gen011.htm

>> It's a good record, although I'm also surprised it went to number 1
>
> So was I, but I'm glad it kept that insipid Rihanna record from the top,  
> at least for a week.
>
>> , but
>> it makes a nice change from the usual stuff that tops the charts.
>>
> I thought their previous, 'banned' record was better, though.

Great DJ? I've not heard it myself, but I've noticed another of
their tracks is used on the new iPod advert so I reckon their
album will definitely go to No. 1.

Fred X

On May 20, 1:12 pm, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 at 07:32:37, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
> >> Singles
> >> -------
> >> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart
> >> eligible) single to #1.
>
> >At least I assume this is their first, since AFAIK there weren't any
> >others before 'Great DJ'.
>
> This is definitely their first, though I'm very curious how high 'Great
> DJ' would have charted.

Depends on the question, in a way - if they hadn't given it away for
free, that would have made it eligible but might also have affected
sales one way or the other.


> >> New Entries/New Peaks
> >> ---------------------
> >> Top 10 : Rihanna #2
>
> >Had this gone all the way, she would have deposed Madonna with a song
> >that shares its title with a previous Madonna hit. Buut she didn't.
>
> But she did 'depose Madonna in the sense that she overtook her, albeit
> behind another song that did the same...

It'd still have been a more interesting story if they were Number Ones
though. And it would also have made Rihanna the first person to have
two download-only Number Ones (in terms of releases, of course).

> >> Top 20 :  Pigeon Detectives #14,
>
> >Parts of this remind me of the slow bit at the beginning of 'Take Me
> >Out'. But without the good fast bit afterwards.
>
> It reminds me of something else, but I can't remember what.

Not something very good, obviously.

> >> Top 30 : Santogold #27,
>
> >Either I've totally misread the schedule or this is another late
> >climber.
>
> Was out on CD last week.

That's what I thought too.

> >> Top 40 : Royworld #35,
>
> >Out today on CD & 7".
>
> Well, yesterday - but who cares in this one's case?

Well, technically speaking, it is still available today... ;-)
But as you can probably tell, I'm a few time zones away so it was
Monday when I wrote that bit.

> >> Lil Wayne #39,
>
> >And I *still* haven't heard it!
>
> Even in America where it's a monster hit, IIRC?

Funnily enough, my inlaws aren't listening to it regularly.

> >> FOB ft JM #40
>
> >Fortunately, I haven't heard this all the way through either.
>
> Hasn't one of the group just married Ashley Simpson?

Yes, but I think that was announced too late in the week to have made
much difference, even if we assume that it would anyway.

> >> New Entries outside the top 40 (plus new peaks) : Cure #48,
>
> >The first of a monthly series of singles
>
> New ones, presumably?

Yep.

> >, leading up to a new album in
> >September - but if even this one can't reach the Top 40, the remaining
> >three have no realistic chance. Whether Robert Smith cares I don't
> >know.
>
> Well, at least the level of publicity can't fall much lower...

But the 13th days of subsequent months fall later in the week. Mind
you, the 13th of June is a Friday.

> >>Hot Chip #53,
>
> >Following up a Top Ten single, but this seems to have gone out pretty
> >much unnoticed.
>
> Thank goodness.

How can you tell?

> >>Gusto #54,
>
> >Out (again) on CD today.
>
> Again?

Yep - it was originally a hit in 1996.

> >>Paramore #55,
>
> >Release a single with no B-sides about a year after the album and...
> >'That's What You Get'.
>
> If the above is the case, then #55 is actually a pretty respectable
> performance.

There's a video on the CD, but no extra music.

> >> Sandi
> >> Thom #59,
>
> >Out today.
>
> Haven't heard it.

I have. A lot. Imagine a more annoying version of 'Everyone's Gone To
War' by Nerina Pallot.

> >> Chanelle Hayes #63,
>
> >Yes, it's another single release by a Big Brother contestant, several
> >months after anyone cared.
>
> More like 7 years...

She might have been at school then.
Apparently she looks like Victoria Beckham, though, so perhaps it's
only too appropriate.

> >> David Jordan #68
>
> >Releases a single called 'Move On'. And it looks like everyone has.
>
> Grin.

An easy one, I know, but he kind of deserves it.

> >> Re-entries : Snap (RIAD) #71,
>
> >That's as serious as, er, a not-very-good record recharting just
> >because it's in some stupid advert.
>
> The mids suggest it may even be T40 this week!

Not the most surprising thing ever to happen.

> >> Albums
> >> ------
> >> Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1
> >> album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio
> >> album.
>
> >A big surprise to some people, maybe.
>
> Everyone who isn't a hardcore fan, I'd say.

I'm not particularly interested in hardcore (or any other type of
concrete) and I sort of expected it, bearing in mind that the last one
was pretty big and he's had massive promotion. Plus it was released
sooner.

> >A deluxe version adds a DVD and two extra tracks: one of them is 'Make
> >You Feel My Love', that song's third appearance on a Top 10 album is
> >seven months.
>
> As I suggested, the Chart Show *didn't* play a track from it. :)

OK.

> >> New Entries/New Peaks
> >> ---------------------
> >> Top 10 :
>
> >> Jay Sean #6,
>
> >Second album from the homegrown R&B star, who seems to be heading for
> >some sort of cult status.
>
> Swap 'l' for 'n'...

He actually seems a really good bloke, even if he looks a bit smug.

> >> Frank Sinatra #10,
>
> >Nothing But The Best seems a daring title for an album that includes
> >'Somethin' Stupid' and the "wrong" version of 'Come Fly With Me'
>
> Wrong, how?

It's not the version from the album of the same name (which was on
EMI) but a later rerecording.

> >, but
> >this is a solid retrospective of his Reprise years.
> >A limited edition adds a live DVD.
>
> Released to mark the 10th anniv. of his death, apparently.

Indeed so. The record company also sponsored a season of his films in
London.

> >> Top 20 : Searchers #11, Iron Maiden #14, Bobby Vee #18
>
> >I can only assume that these three compilations are somehow targetted
> >at the Father's Day market
>
> Hadn't occurred to me.

Nor me, until I saw the three of them together like that. Saved me
researching too much.

> >> New outside the top 20 :
>
> >> Death Cab For Cutie #24,
>
> >Second hit album for them
>
> First T75, according to JM (who is not the most reliable source,
> admittedly).

Music Week seems to agree actually. I don't have my books to hand, but
I think the single from the last one was Top 75 in Britain.

> >> Moby #28,
>
> >A month after digital release, as the physical was postponed to awit
> >somebody noticing he was still around.
>
> Then why have they released it at all? :)

I blame Q magazine.

> >>Dan Le Sac v Scroobius
> >> Pip #31,
>
> >Busy week, isn't it?
>
> Indeed.

Not very helpful when you're psting through Google.

> >>Flight Of The Conchords #32,
>
> >New Zealand comedy duo with a set of songs from their (in-character)
> >TV series.  Like the Moby record, this has been out on MP3 for some
> >weeks, although how many it's actually sold that way I don't know.
>
> At least a dozen...

I'd guess this sold more downloads than Moby, but I can't prove it.

> >>Charlatans #39,
>
> >Their lowest-charting studio album ever, presumably because it was
> >(and AFAIK still is) available as a free download. And Alan McGee's
> >brilliant strategy of giving it away in partnership with a radio
> >station is a great way to ensure that nobody else will give it any
> >airplay.
>
> Whereas they'd have been playing it non-stop, otherwise? :)

Not all of them, obviously, but some who might have been persuaded
wouldn't. Especially since the original plan was not to release it
physically at all, so they'd have had to direct people to a rival
station's website in order to obtain the music.

> >> Re-entries : Kelly Rowland #23,
>
> >This is the new deluxe version of the album, which seems to dump the
> >majority of the original disc in favour of the remix of 'Work', the
> >current single 'Daylight' and some other new tracks. Maybe she should
> >have gone for broke and released an entirely new album.
>
> Or not bothered, full stop.

Well, you can see the commercial value of having the hit version of
'Work' on an album. But they didn't exactly strike while the iron was
hot.

> >> Next Week
> >> ---------
> >> Singles
> >> -------
> >> I'm much more confident in my pick this week - Rihanna, as the CD is out
> >> this week.
>
> >That seems likely, yes, since I presue she can't have been very far
> >behind last time.
>
> She's not quite there in the Tues mids, though...

Very close behind though, so she might make it in the end.

> >> Morrissey,
>
> >Less likely, if the one before couldn't manage it.
>
> I don't see him anywhere in the mids - but that's probably because the
> release date has been moved to next Monday.

That'd be a good reason.

> >> Top 20 : Andy Abraham,
>
> >I suppose so, although I can't claim to heave heard it often.
>
> Or at all, in my case.

I have at all, but R2 seem to have been playing it sort of grudgingly.
Even he doesn't seem that keen on it.


> >> Depending on download availability : Alphabeat,
>
> >This one is out, on at least one site.
>
> Not T40 yet.

Apparently not.

> >> Zutons
>
> >I can't find this one, but that doesn't prove anything.
>
> T40 in the mids.

*That* proves something!

> >> Any other possibilities?
>
> >Only Spiritualized, as far as I can see.
>
> Never heard of them.

Never mind then.

> >> Albums
> >> ------
> >> The Ting Ting's look the best bet for #1 in a relatively quiet week for> >> new releases.
>
> >You iknow, we're having so many relatively quiet weeks now I'm not
> >sure we won't have to recalibrate!
>
> Well, last week was pretty lively - 17 NE's in the T40!

Lots of them, but not many big ones.

> >> Top 10 NE : Hucknall
>
> >Eminently possible, although there's always a danger in dropping a
> >well-known brand.
>
> Just T20 so far.

See what I mean?

> >>Sparks,
>
> >They've threatened to return to the album charts many a time - so I
> >suppose one day they will.
>
> If they can make it out of the pension queue...

I think they're only in their fifties.

In message , Paul Hyett 
 writes
>Singles
>-------
>Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart 
>eligible) single to #1.
>

And yet another No1 group given their big break by Jools on Later.

-- 
Edward Cowling   "Open the Pod Bay doors HAL"

On Tue, 20 May 2008 at 18:34:44, Fred X  wrote in 
uk.music.charts :
>>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>> In the beginning there was "My Sharona" which begat "No Good Advice" 
>>>which
>>> begat "That's Not My Name"...
>>>
>>> Did you go to Sunday School Paul? :)
>>
>> Huh?
>>>
>I was paraphrasing Genesis from the bible.
>
>http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/gen011.htm

I got that part, but not why you likened it to my post?
>>>
>> I thought their previous, 'banned' record was better, though.
>
>Great DJ? I've not heard it myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myJnsqGgxxM

>, but I've noticed another of
>their tracks is used on the new iPod advert so I reckon their
>album will definitely go to No. 1.

Given the minimal competition, I'm confident it would have, anyway.

Of course, their 2007 Glastonbury appearance probably helped them more 
than anything else.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Tue, 20 May 2008 at 18:10:09, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> >> Singles
>> >> -------
>> >> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart
>> >> eligible) single to #1.
>>
>> >At least I assume this is their first, since AFAIK there weren't any
>> >others before 'Great DJ'.
>>
>> This is definitely their first, though I'm very curious how high 'Great
>> DJ' would have charted.
>
>Depends on the question, in a way - if they hadn't given it away for
>free, that would have made it eligible but might also have affected
>sales one way or the other.

It depends whether a chart appearance would have gotten it heard by more 
people than giving it away. Either way, it sees to have worked out for 
them.

They're apparently in a new iPod ad, too.
>
>> >> New Entries/New Peaks
>> >> ---------------------
>> >> Top 10 : Rihanna #2
>
>It'd still have been a more interesting story if they were Number Ones
>though. And it would also have made Rihanna the first person to have
>two download-only Number Ones (in terms of releases, of course).

That line was 'one I prepared earlier', just in case. :)
>>
>> >Out today on CD & 7".
>>
>> Well, yesterday - but who cares in this one's case?
>
>Well, technically speaking, it is still available today... ;-)
>But as you can probably tell, I'm a few time zones away so it was
>Monday when I wrote that bit.

I guessed. :)
>
>> >> Lil Wayne #39,
>>
>> >And I *still* haven't heard it!
>>
>> Even in America where it's a monster hit, IIRC?
>
>Funnily enough, my inlaws aren't listening to it regularly.

 From the Billboard Hot 100, you'd think every radio station in America 
played non-stop urban...
>
>> >> FOB ft JM #40
>>
>> >Fortunately, I haven't heard this all the way through either.
>>
>> Hasn't one of the group just married Ashley Simpson?
>
>Yes, but I think that was announced too late in the week to have made
>much difference, even if we assume that it would anyway.

Lucky him anyway, she's cute & feisty!
>
>> >>Gusto #54,
>>
>> >Out (again) on CD today.
>>
>> Again?
>
>Yep - it was originally a hit in 1996.

Ah.
>
>> >>Paramore #55,
>>
>> >Release a single with no B-sides about a year after the album and...
>> >'That's What You Get'.
>>
>> If the above is the case, then #55 is actually a pretty respectable
>> performance.
>
>There's a video on the CD, but no extra music.

It's boosted the album again, though - up from 101 to 45 in the last 2 
weeks.
>
>> >> Sandi
>> >> Thom #59,
>>
>> >Out today.
>>
>> Haven't heard it.
>
>I have. A lot. Imagine a more annoying version of 'Everyone's Gone To
>War' by Nerina Pallot.

OK - except that I didn't find that song annoying at all...

I was very disappointed that her follow-up up 'Sophia' bombed - I 
thought it was a potential #1!
>
>> >> Albums
>> >> ------
>> >> Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1
>> >> album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio
>> >> album.
>>
>> >A big surprise to some people, maybe.
>>
>> Everyone who isn't a hardcore fan, I'd say.
>
>I'm not particularly interested in hardcore (or any other type of
>concrete) and I sort of expected it, bearing in mind that the last one
>was pretty big and he's had massive promotion.

I'm guessing R2, as I barely know of its existence...

>Plus it was released
>sooner.

Than what?
>
>> >> New Entries/New Peaks
>> >> ---------------------
>> >> Top 20 : Searchers #11, Iron Maiden #14, Bobby Vee #18
>>
>> >I can only assume that these three compilations are somehow targetted
>> >at the Father's Day market
>>
>> Hadn't occurred to me.
>
>Nor me, until I saw the three of them together like that. Saved me
>researching too much.

Been many years since I've needed to remember Fathers Day.

Mind you, even when he was alive, it tended to coincide with his 
birthday, so...
>
>> >> New outside the top 20 :
>
>> >>Dan Le Sac v Scroobius
>> >> Pip #31,
>>
>> >Busy week, isn't it?
>>
>> Indeed.
>
>Not very helpful when you're psting through Google.

What, you can't see the chart on Buzzjack via the web? :)
>
>> >>Charlatans #39,
>>
>> >Their lowest-charting studio album ever, presumably because it was
>> >(and AFAIK still is) available as a free download. And Alan McGee's
>> >brilliant strategy of giving it away in partnership with a radio
>> >station is a great way to ensure that nobody else will give it any
>> >airplay.
>>
>> Whereas they'd have been playing it non-stop, otherwise? :)
>
>Not all of them, obviously, but some who might have been persuaded
>wouldn't. Especially since the original plan was not to release it
>physically at all, so they'd have had to direct people to a rival
>station's website in order to obtain the music.

Ah, I see now.
>
>> >> Next Week
>> >> ---------
>> >> Singles
>> >> -------
>> >> I'm much more confident in my pick this week - Rihanna, as the CD is out
>> >> this week.
>>
>> >That seems likely, yes, since I presue she can't have been very far
>> >behind last time.
>>
>> She's not quite there in the Tues mids, though...
>
>Very close behind though, so she might make it in the end.

But, judging by forum comments, this song has had a decidedly 
indifferent reception - which also doesn't bode well for the special 
edition of the album on 2nd June.
>
>> >> Morrissey,
>>
>> >Less likely, if the one before couldn't manage it.
>>
>> I don't see him anywhere in the mids - but that's probably because the
>> release date has been moved to next Monday.
>
>That'd be a good reason.

The NR schedule has been getting posted later recently, often after I've 
drafted my commentary...
>
>> >> Top 20 : Andy Abraham,
>>
>> >I suppose so, although I can't claim to heave heard it often.
>>
>> Or at all, in my case.
>
>I have at all, but R2 seem to have been playing it sort of grudgingly.
>Even he doesn't seem that keen on it.

Just T90 on mids, but it's bound to jump on Sat night. :(
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:45:56 +0100, Paul Hyett  
 wrote:

> On Tue, 20 May 2008 at 18:34:44, Fred X  wrote in  
> uk.music.charts :
>>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>> In the beginning there was "My Sharona" which begat "No Good Advice"  
>>>> which
>>>> begat "That's Not My Name"...
>>>>
>>>> Did you go to Sunday School Paul? :)
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>>>
>> I was paraphrasing Genesis from the bible.
>>
>> http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/gen011.htm
>
> I got that part, but not why you likened it to my post?

I was just pointing out the "influence" the three records have
had on each other.

Fred X

On May 21, 3:45 am, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 at 18:10:09, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>
>
> >> >> Singles
> >> >> -------
> >> >> Another surprise #1, with the Ting Ting's taking their first (chart
> >> >> eligible) single to #1.
>
> >> >At least I assume this is their first, since AFAIK there weren't any
> >> >others before 'Great DJ'.
>
> >> This is definitely their first, though I'm very curious how high 'Great> >> DJ' would have charted.
>
> >Depends on the question, in a way - if they hadn't given it away for
> >free, that would have made it eligible but might also have affected
> >sales one way or the other.
>
> It depends whether a chart appearance would have gotten it heard by more
> people than giving it away. Either way, it sees to have worked out for
> them.

And presumably they'd have treated the physical versions differently
in that case.

> They're apparently in a new iPod ad, too.

So I heard. That explains a lot.

> >> >> New Entries/New Peaks
> >> >> ---------------------

> >> >> Lil Wayne #39,
>
> >> >And I *still* haven't heard it!
>
> >> Even in America where it's a monster hit, IIRC?
>
> >Funnily enough, my inlaws aren't listening to it regularly.
>
>  From the Billboard Hot 100, you'd think every radio station in America
> played non-stop urban...

For all the difference it makes here, they might as well be - apart
from public radio, but I don't think that counts.

> >> >>Gusto #54,
>
> >> >Out (again) on CD today.
>
> >> Again?
>
> >Yep - it was originally a hit in 1996.
>
> Ah.

I have to say that of all the records that charted in 1996, this isn't
one I'd have picked out for revival.

> >> >> Sandi
> >> >> Thom #59,
>
> >> >Out today.
>
> >> Haven't heard it.
>
> >I have. A lot. Imagine a more annoying version of 'Everyone's Gone To
> >War' by Nerina Pallot.
>
> OK - except that I didn't find that song annoying at all...

I didn't say it was - it's just that this one is similar in some ways,
but with added annoyingness.

> I was very disappointed that her follow-up up 'Sophia' bombed - I
> thought it was a potential #1!

I never thought that, but it could have been bigger than it was.

> >> >> Albums
> >> >> ------
> >> >> Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1
> >> >> album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio> >> >> album.
>
> >> >A big surprise to some people, maybe.
>
> >> Everyone who isn't a hardcore fan, I'd say.
>
> >I'm not particularly interested in hardcore (or any other type of
> >concrete) and I sort of expected it, bearing in mind that the last one
> >was pretty big and he's had massive promotion.
>
> I'm guessing R2, as I barely know of its existence...

Them certainly, and possibly other MOR-tending stations; but you can
see why he'd concentrate his efforts. It seemed to be prominent in the
shops too.

> >Plus it was released
> >sooner.
>
> Than what?

Sooner after the US release - 12 Songs came out in Britain months
late, whereas the gap was only a few days in this instance.


> >> >> New outside the top 20 :
>
> >> >>Dan Le Sac v Scroobius
> >> >> Pip #31,
>
> >> >Busy week, isn't it?
>
> >> Indeed.
>
> >Not very helpful when you're psting through Google.
>
> What, you can't see the chart on Buzzjack via the web? :)

I can - not that I needed to anyway - but there's no way in the Google
Groups interface to save a post while you're working on it, so it's
awkward if there's a lot to comment on.

> >> >> Next Week
> >> >> ---------
> >> >> Singles
> >> >> -------
> >> >> I'm much more confident in my pick this week - Rihanna, as the CD is out
> >> >> this week.
>
> >> >That seems likely, yes, since I presue she can't have been very far
> >> >behind last time.
>
> >> She's not quite there in the Tues mids, though...
>
> >Very close behind though, so she might make it in the end.
>
> But, judging by forum comments, this song has had a decidedly
> indifferent reception -

From those people, yes - but evidently some people must like it.

>which also doesn't bode well for the special
> edition of the album on 2nd June.

Possibly, unless the other additions prove more popular.

> >> >> Top 20 : Andy Abraham,
>
> >> >I suppose so, although I can't claim to heave heard it often.
>
> >> Or at all, in my case.
>
> >I have at all, but R2 seem to have been playing it sort of grudgingly.
> >Even he doesn't seem that keen on it.
>
> Just T90 on mids, but it's bound to jump on Sat night. :(

Unless he does it really badly! And of course there's only going to be
a few hours left by then.
Interesting to see whether any of the others get anywhere this year.

 Chris

On Wed, 21 May 2008 at 13:22:20, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> >> >> Singles
>> >> >> -------
>> >> >>the Ting Ting's
>>
>> It depends whether a chart appearance would have gotten it heard by more
>> people than giving it away. Either way, it sees to have worked out for
>> them.
>
>And presumably they'd have treated the physical versions differently
>in that case.
>
There's another thing - now that the album is out, presumably 
album-track downloads of 'Great DJ' *would* be eligible to chart...
>
>> >> >> New Entries/New Peaks
>> >> >> ---------------------
>>  From the Billboard Hot 100, you'd think every radio station in America
>> played non-stop urban...
>
>For all the difference it makes here, they might as well be - apart
>from public radio, but I don't think that counts.

Why wouldn't it count?
>
>> >> >> Albums
>> >> >> ------
>> >> >> Another big surprise this week, as Neil Diamond claims only his 2nd #1
>> >> >> album (the previous one being in 1992) - and his first with a studio
>> >> >> album.
>>
>> >> >A big surprise to some people, maybe.
>>
>> >> Everyone who isn't a hardcore fan, I'd say.
>>
>> >I'm not particularly interested in hardcore (or any other type of
>> >concrete) and I sort of expected it, bearing in mind that the last one
>> >was pretty big and he's had massive promotion.
>>
>> I'm guessing R2, as I barely know of its existence...
>
>Them certainly, and possibly other MOR-tending stations; but you can
>see why he'd concentrate his efforts. It seemed to be prominent in the
>shops too.

ND's single 'Petty Amazing' got to #28 on airplay with just 49 spins (as 
opposed to the 500-ish it usually takes to reach that level), so that 
should tell you a *lot* about who is/isn't playing it...
>
>I can - not that I needed to anyway - but there's no way in the Google
>Groups interface to save a post while you're working on it, so it's
>awkward if there's a lot to comment on.

Oh right - never tried that.
>
>> >> >> Next Week
>> >> >> ---------
>> >> >> Singles
>> >> >> -------
>>
>> >Very close behind though, so she might make it in the end.
>>
>> But, judging by forum comments, this song has had a decidedly
>> indifferent reception -
>
>From those people, yes - but evidently some people must like it.

Just enough - but it's hardly had the rapturous reception of most of her 
recent singles, and therefore I can't see it having the same staying 
power.
>
>>which also doesn't bode well for the special
>> edition of the album on 2nd June.
>
>Possibly, unless the other additions prove more popular.

Info :

Rihanna will re-release her multi-platinum third album with a 
double-disc deluxe edition package titled Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded. 
The set will include seven from the twelve original tracks, four new 
tracks with the lead U.S. number one single "Take a Bow", a remix of "If 
I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5 and a DVD containing concert 
footage from her Manchester concert, a documentary and a home movie made 
by Rihanna's band. The revamped version of the album will be released in 
stores on June 17, 2008.[11][12] The album will be released June 2, 2008 
in the UK. [13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Girl_Gone_Bad

***

With only 7 of the original 12 tracks left, it's sales can't be combined 
with the original version because of the 80% rule.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On May 22, 3:30 am, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 at 13:22:20, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
> >> >> >> Singles
> >> >> >> -------
> >> >> >>the Ting Ting's
>
> >> It depends whether a chart appearance would have gotten it heard by more
> >> people than giving it away. Either way, it sees to have worked out for
> >> them.
>
> >And presumably they'd have treated the physical versions differently
> >in that case.
>
> There's another thing - now that the album is out, presumably
> album-track downloads of 'Great DJ' *would* be eligible to chart...

I presume they would (unless the label had decided otherwise for some
reason) but whether it'd actually sell enough will be interesting to
see.

> >> >> >> New Entries/New Peaks
> >> >> >> ---------------------
> >>  From the Billboard Hot 100, you'd think every radio station in America
> >> played non-stop urban...
>
> >For all the difference it makes here, they might as well be - apart
> >from public radio, but I don't think that counts.
>
> Why wouldn't it count?

I don't think they're part of the panel that contributes to airplay
stats. There'd be no point because, unlike the BBC, they don't really
bother with mainstream music programming - for example, this is the
schedule we get here:

http://www.wvpubcast.org/radio.aspx?id=604

> >I can - not that I needed to anyway - but there's no way in the Google
> >Groups interface to save a post while you're working on it, so it's
> >awkward if there's a lot to comment on.
>
> Oh right - never tried that.

There used to be a preview butoon which was good if you wanted to
pause and look something up or whatever, but that no longer exists. I
ended up haveing to work on a text file and paste it in.

> >> >> >> Next Week
> >> >> >> ---------
> >Possibly, unless the other additions prove more popular.
>
> Info :
>
> Rihanna will re-release her multi-platinum third album with a
> double-disc deluxe edition package titled Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded.
> The set will include seven from the twelve original tracks, four new
> tracks with the lead U.S. number one single "Take a Bow", a remix of "If
> I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5 and a DVD containing concert
> footage from her Manchester concert, a documentary and a home movie made
> by Rihanna's band.

OK, so one of the highlights is a remix of a flop Maroon 5 single?

>The revamped version of the album will be released in
> stores on June 17, 2008.[11][12] The album will be released June 2, 2008
> in the UK. [13]

I wonder why we get it early?

> With only 7 of the original 12 tracks left, it's sales can't be combined
> with the original version because of the 80% rule.

I suppose not. I wonder why they're doing that?

 Chris

On Thu, 22 May 2008 at 15:35:45, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> >> >> >> Singles
>> >> >> >> -------
>> >> >> >>the Ting Ting's
>>
>> There's another thing - now that the album is out, presumably
>> album-track downloads of 'Great DJ' *would* be eligible to chart...
>
>I presume they would (unless the label had decided otherwise for some
>reason) but whether it'd actually sell enough will be interesting to
>see.

And if you've seen the Thursday mids, you'll know the answer to that. :)

Listed as T40 this week, though I suspect it's probably been selling 
enough for that position all along, only there's been no way to tell.

It's #58 on YTD sales per this week's ChartsPlus - clearly not enough to 
have been #1, but almost certainly to have gone T10 - maybe even T5.
>
>> >> >> >> New Entries/New Peaks
>> >> >> >> ---------------------
>> >>  From the Billboard Hot 100, you'd think every radio station in America
>> >> played non-stop urban...
>>
>> >For all the difference it makes here, they might as well be - apart
>> >from public radio, but I don't think that counts.
>>
>> Why wouldn't it count?
>
>I don't think they're part of the panel that contributes to airplay
>stats. There'd be no point because, unlike the BBC, they don't really
>bother with mainstream music programming - for example, this is the
>schedule we get here:
>
>http://www.wvpubcast.org/radio.aspx?id=604

OK, fair enough - but aren't there any local/state specialist channels 
that play non-urban popular music?
>
>> >> >> >> Next Week
>> >> >> >> ---------
>> Rihanna will re-release her multi-platinum third album with a
>> double-disc deluxe edition package titled Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded.
>> The set will include seven from the twelve original tracks, four new
>> tracks with the lead U.S. number one single "Take a Bow", a remix of "If
>> I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5 and a DVD containing concert
>> footage from her Manchester concert, a documentary and a home movie made
>> by Rihanna's band.
>
>OK, so one of the highlights is a remix of a flop Maroon 5 single?

Hence my low expectations of its chart performance...
>
>>The revamped version of the album will be released in
>> stores on June 17, 2008.[11][12] The album will be released June 2, 2008
>> in the UK. [13]
>
>I wonder why we get it early?

A punishment? :)
>
>> With only 7 of the original 12 tracks left, it's sales can't be combined
>> with the original version because of the 80% rule.
>
>I suppose not. I wonder why they're doing that?
>
No idea.

I wonder if Kylie's record company will jump on the 'special edition' 
bandwagon? I don't recall seeing one from her before, but YNK...

A previously-unreleased single for the Autumn market would surely sell 
well, and adding that to an album SE might revive it for the Xmas 
market.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On May 23, 4:53 am, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 at 15:35:45, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>
>
> >> >> >> >> Singles
> >> >> >> >> -------
> >> >> >> >>the Ting Ting's
>
> >> There's another thing - now that the album is out, presumably
> >> album-track downloads of 'Great DJ' *would* be eligible to chart...
>
> >I presume they would (unless the label had decided otherwise for some
> >reason) but whether it'd actually sell enough will be interesting to
> >see.
>
> And if you've seen the Thursday mids, you'll know the answer to that. :)
>
> Listed as T40 this week, though I suspect it's probably been selling
> enough for that position all along, only there's been no way to tell.
>
> It's #58 on YTD sales per this week's ChartsPlus - clearly not enough to
> have been #1, but almost certainly to have gone T10 - maybe even T5.

Depending on the rate at which it sold those downloads, of course.
Mind you, if they'd been eligible then the label might have been more
inclined to release a eligible physical version too.

> >> >> >> >> New Entries/New Peaks
> >> >> >> >> ---------------------
> >> >>  From the Billboard Hot 100, you'd think every radio station in America
> >> >> played non-stop urban...
>
> >> >For all the difference it makes here, they might as well be - apart
> >> >from public radio, but I don't think that counts.
>
> >> Why wouldn't it count?
>
> >I don't think they're part of the panel that contributes to airplay
> >stats. There'd be no point because, unlike the BBC, they don't really
> >bother with mainstream music programming - for example, this is the
> >schedule we get here:
>
> >http://www.wvpubcast.org/radio.aspx?id=604
>
> OK, fair enough - but aren't there any local/state specialist channels
> that play non-urban popular music?

Oh yeah, there are - but they're still unlistenably awful so I don't
bother.

> >> >> >> >> Next Week
> >> >> >> >> ---------
> >> Rihanna will re-release her multi-platinum third album with a
> >> double-disc deluxe edition package titled Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded.> >> The set will include seven from the twelve original tracks, four new
> >> tracks with the lead U.S. number one single "Take a Bow", a remix of "If
> >> I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5 and a DVD containing concert> >> footage from her Manchester concert, a documentary and a home movie made
> >> by Rihanna's band.
>
> >OK, so one of the highlights is a remix of a flop Maroon 5 single?
>
> Hence my low expectations of its chart performance...

Actually, on reflection I'm not sure that M5 track has flopped yet - I
was confusing it with 'When Will I See Your Face Again' by Jamie Scott
& The Town, which sounds exactly like Maroon 5. It might even have
been a hit if it'd come out while they were still popular.

> >> With only 7 of the original 12 tracks left, it's sales can't be combined
> >> with the original version because of the 80% rule.
>
> >I suppose not. I wonder why they're doing that?
>
> No idea.

You'd think if they were going to do that much new material, they
might has well stretch it to a whole new album. You'd think they'd
sell more of that.
Having said that, though, I don't know whether the 80% rule applies
over here, so perhaps they'll be combined on Billboard... not that
you'd think this album needed the extra sales anyway.

> I wonder if Kylie's record company will jump on the 'special edition'
> bandwagon? I don't recall seeing one from her before, but YNK...

I'm pretty sure there was a limited version of the one with 'Spinning
Around' on it (Light Years?) but that was just remixes, rather than
new songs.

> A previously-unreleased single for the Autumn market would surely sell
> well, and adding that to an album SE might revive it for the Xmas
> market.

I wonder whether EMI are thinking that too?
The only problem is that the album will be a year old by then.

 Chris

On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 07:14:28, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> OK, fair enough - but aren't there any local/state specialist channels
>> that play non-urban popular music?
>
>Oh yeah, there are - but they're still unlistenably awful

 From my POV, they could hardly be worse than a non-stop urban diet, 
though!

> so I don't
>bother.

What sort of artists/songs do they play, then?
>
>> >> >> >> >> Next Week
>> >> >> >> >> ---------
>> >> Rihanna will re-release her multi-platinum third album with a
>> >> double-disc deluxe edition package titled Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded.
>> >> The set will include seven from the twelve original tracks, four new
>> >> tracks with the lead U.S. number one single "Take a Bow", a remix of "If
>> >> I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5
>>
>> >OK, so one of the highlights is a remix of a flop Maroon 5 single?
>>
>> Hence my low expectations of its chart performance...
>
>Actually, on reflection I'm not sure that M5 track has flopped yet - I
>was confusing it with 'When Will I See Your Face Again' by Jamie Scott
>& The Town, which sounds exactly like Maroon 5.

Your comment did have me slightly puzzled - I've seen a video for it, 
which suggests a singles release, but I have no info on a date for that.
>
>> A previously-unreleased single for the Autumn market would surely sell
>> well, and adding that to an album SE might revive it for the Xmas
>> market.
>
>I wonder whether EMI are thinking that too?
>The only problem is that the album will be a year old by then.

That's not an unusual span for the release of a special edition, though.

Besides, any brand new Kylie single would surely go top 5 at very worst 
- and providing it was better than 2 Hearts, would have a fair shot at 
#1.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On May 23, 1:35 pm, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 at 07:14:28, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :
>
>
>
> >> OK, fair enough - but aren't there any local/state specialist channels
> >> that play non-urban popular music?
>
> >Oh yeah, there are - but they're still unlistenably awful
>
>  From my POV, they could hardly be worse than a non-stop urban diet,
> though!

Don't forget that in the US, all DJs sound like Steve Wright. Well,
apart from the accent obviously.

> > so I don't
> >bother.
>
> What sort of artists/songs do they play, then?

Well, I obviously don't know in detail, because I'm not listening to
them - but there are stations that play hideous overproduced "rock"
music and ones that play hideous overproduced "country" music.
Presumably there are MOR stations too, but I've mostly avoided them.
That said, my localised experience isn't all that relevant because
this is a very sparsely populated area, so in terms of listenership
it's very much a drop in the ocean. Still, Leona Lewis and Sara
Bareilles are both in the "Hot" airplay Top 10 so somebody's obviously
hearing them.

As an aside, even in the UK I find it very hard to work out what local
radio is on offer, so over here I'm pretty much stumped.

> >> >> >> >> >> Next Week
> >> >> >> >> >> ---------
> >> >> Rihanna will re-release her multi-platinum third album with a
> >> >> double-disc deluxe edition package titled Good Girl Gone Bad: Reloaded.
> >> >> The set will include seven from the twelve original tracks, four new> >> >> tracks with the lead U.S. number one single "Take a Bow", a remix of "If
> >> >> I Never See Your Face Again" with Maroon 5
>
> >> >OK, so one of the highlights is a remix of a flop Maroon 5 single?
>
> >> Hence my low expectations of its chart performance...
>
> >Actually, on reflection I'm not sure that M5 track has flopped yet - I
> >was confusing it with 'When Will I See Your Face Again' by Jamie Scott
> >& The Town, which sounds exactly like Maroon 5.
>
> Your comment did have me slightly puzzled - I've seen a video for it,
> which suggests a singles release, but I have no info on a date for that.

For the M5/Rihanna thing? Presumably, in the UK at least, it's being
held back until 'Take A Bow' has had its day.

> >> A previously-unreleased single for the Autumn market would surely sell
> >> well, and adding that to an album SE might revive it for the Xmas
> >> market.
>
> >I wonder whether EMI are thinking that too?
> >The only problem is that the album will be a year old by then.
>
> That's not an unusual span for the release of a special edition, though.

It's not, but there's always the risk that it will have been entirely
forgotten by then.

> Besides, any brand new Kylie single would surely go top 5 at very worst
> - and providing it was better than 2 Hearts, would have a fair shot at
> #1.

In which case they might be better off using it to launch a new
record.

 Chris

On Sun, 25 May 2008 at 07:40:23, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>>  From my POV, they could hardly be worse than a non-stop urban diet,
>> though!
>
>Don't forget that in the US, all DJs sound like Steve Wright.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse...
>>
>> What sort of artists/songs do they play, then?
>
>Well, I obviously don't know in detail, because I'm not listening to
>them - but there are stations that play hideous overproduced "rock"
>music

AOR, you mean?

> and ones that play hideous overproduced "country" music.

> Still, Leona Lewis and Sara
>Bareilles are both in the "Hot" airplay Top 10 so somebody's obviously
>hearing them.

So even travelling thousands of miles can't get you away from Leona 
Lewis! :)

At least it *does* get you away from Eurovision though - not 
unexpectedly our 'binman' finished last... :)

>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Next Week
>> >> >> >> >> >> ---------
>> >Actually, on reflection I'm not sure that M5 track has flopped yet - I
>> >was confusing it with 'When Will I See Your Face Again' by Jamie Scott
>> >& The Town, which sounds exactly like Maroon 5.
>>
>> Your comment did have me slightly puzzled - I've seen a video for it,
>> which suggests a singles release, but I have no info on a date for that.
>
>For the M5/Rihanna thing? Presumably, in the UK at least, it's being
>held back until 'Take A Bow' has had its day.

Then they'll need a time machine to go back & release it a couple of 
weeks ago... :)
>>
>> That's not an unusual span for the release of a special edition, though.
>
>It's not, but there's always the risk that it will have been entirely
>forgotten by then.

I don't think people will forget Ms Minogue!
>
>In which case they might be better off using it to launch a new
>record.

But since she's now touring, she won't have time to record a whole new 
album.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On May 25, 2:59 pm, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 at 07:40:23, Chris Brown 
> wrote in uk.music.charts :

> >> What sort of artists/songs do they play, then?
>
> >Well, I obviously don't know in detail, because I'm not listening to
> >them - but there are stations that play hideous overproduced "rock"
> >music
>
> AOR, you mean?

I didn't actually, although there presumably is some of that - I sort
of imagined that the stations who play that play more oldies.
I was thinking of folk like Simple Plan.

> > and ones that play hideous overproduced "country" music.
> > Still, Leona Lewis and Sara
> >Bareilles are both in the "Hot" airplay Top 10 so somebody's obviously
> >hearing them.
>
> So even travelling thousands of miles can't get you away from Leona
> Lewis! :)

Yeah, although (as we've already proved) the off switch can.

> At least it *does* get you away from Eurovision though - not
> unexpectedly our 'binman' finished last... :)

So I heard - but only because I looked it up.

> >> That's not an unusual span for the release of a special edition, though> >It's not, but there's always the risk that it will have been entirely
> >forgotten by then.
>
> I don't think people will forget Ms Minogue!

As a person, no. But that's not the same as the records.

> >In which case they might be better off using it to launch a new
> >record.
>
> But since she's now touring, she won't have time to record a whole new
> album.

Because nobody has ever done both those things in the same year????

 Chris

On Sun, 25 May 2008 at 14:08:51, Chris Brown  
wrote in uk.music.charts :
>>
>> >Well, I obviously don't know in detail, because I'm not listening to
>> >them - but there are stations that play hideous overproduced "rock"
>> >music
>>
>> AOR, you mean?
>
>I didn't actually, although there presumably is some of that - I sort
>of imagined that the stations who play that play more oldies.
>I was thinking of folk like Simple Plan.

I guess they must be rather more popular than here then, with their 
solitary T30 hit...

>> > Still, Leona Lewis and Sara
>> >Bareilles are both in the "Hot" airplay Top 10 so somebody's obviously
>> >hearing them.
>>
>> So even travelling thousands of miles can't get you away from Leona
>> Lewis! :)
>
>Yeah, although (as we've already proved) the off switch can.

And over there she won't even carry the X-Factor stigma, which dissuades 
some British radio stations from playing her.
>
>> At least it *does* get you away from Eurovision though - not
>> unexpectedly our 'binman' finished last... :)
>
>So I heard - but only because I looked it up.

He struggled to #67 yesterday, and I'd be surprised if he gets much 
higher this week.
>
>> >In which case they might be better off using it to launch a new
>> >record.
>>
>> But since she's now touring, she won't have time to record a whole new
>> album.
>
>Because nobody has ever done both those things in the same year????
>
But *she* doesn't, that's the point.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)