On 21 Apr, 22:40, "Chris Brown"  wrote:
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> > On 15 Apr, 20:30, "Chris Brown"  wrote:
> >> "Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
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> >> I saw a blogger expressing surprise at the fact that a record with
> >> effectively no airplay had got into the Top 40 - but the question on my> >> mind
> >> was how a band as obviously popular as Radiohead were only getting their
> >> single played six times across the whole country.
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> >>     Chris
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> > I trust downloads more as a reflection of actual
> > "FAN MERIT" of a record than airplay. Airplay is
> > incredibly dodgy.
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> Whatever fan merit is, but we'lll gloss over that.
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The Charts were not just supposed to show
how many records you sold. In fact if you ask
some people who's number 1 in the charts
they might know,but ask the ordinary Joe,
how many records sold and they don't know.

What what was supposed to attained at a glance
was popularity by music fans of which songs
they liked by actually going out there and buying it or
asking radio stations for more airplay of one
record over another.

But then came the various forms of manipulation.


>> > GATEKEEPING is what allows the horrible Reality TV star to release
> > another terrible but somehow successful Album! It works like this.
> > Most shops STOCK JUST THE TOP 40 RECORDS. Anything else and
> > you'll have to trek far to some specialist music store.
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> In my experience no multiple retailer actually stocks *the* Top 40, although
> some might have *a* Top 40.
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Yes, it's even worse someplaces.Some retailers stock just the top 20!


> > Think about it, that includes the retail viruses that are TESCOS,
> > SAINSBURY, MORRISONS, WHSMITH, WOOLWORTHS.They account for 70% of
> > ALL MONEY SPENT ON GROCERIES. And while we are in their temples,
> > THIS FUNNELLING OF ATTENTION puts whatever record is on display at
> > a massive advantage over any other.
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> Which might be a comforting thought, but people aren't going to buy a record
> they don't want just because it's there. The sad fact of the matter is that
> there really are people who want to own all those records by reality TV
> idiots.
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I don't believe that in the mid 90s when i was told there were 300
records
being released every week (much more now, must be thousands via the
net)
that there was not enough COMBINED TALENT from the genres of Country
and Western,
Hip Hop, Rock, House, Folk, RnB and all the others to  kick all those
second chancer reality TV show stars into of orbit.They should
never get a look in.

Kevin Stacey was right, the reality TV shows are an hour long advert
for
an entertainment  product, exposure that even hollywood stars don't
get.
proving that yes, because it's there..enough will buy it.

Most people are not like us. We search for music, we meet musicians,
we don't need Smash Hits to tell us 5 years too late what's Hot.
But some people are too lazy , so this is what you get.

> > So via <COUGH> RELATIONSHIPS with Retailers, buying their own records
> > and
> > , actual sales,massive advertisement,the lowering of the amount of
> > records
> > required to enter THE TOP 40, Major labels use their finacial muscle
> > to
> > get them into these temples to get the big Second wave  of sales.
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> That doesn't add up - how does buying their own records *reduce* the number
> of sales involved?
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It sort of cancels out the profit.You create a CD
at a cost less than the price you sell it. So if you're buying
the damn things at a GREATER price than you made it,
that's a loss.

Maybe you are willing to create a chart position
to initate that "sheep mentality" that says it must be in the
charts so it's good, and get radio/tv/magazines to pay attention.
But before that happens, you are losing money.

And even with all that effort the album could tank!


> > The kind of muscle that is totally out of reach of any worthy
> > brilliant
> > but independent musician, or indie label.
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> > Enough muscle to get a mediocre Reality TV star to be successful.
> > Making the top 40 locked in by about 6 big record companies.
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> Actually, there are only four major labels now.
>

That's inspiring.

> > The Download services, The army of blogger music critics that
> > filter the millions of tunes which people follow to find gems of
> > music.
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> But most bloggers give the music away.
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Very few bloggers give whole albums away.
And after a while link fatigue gets you, you
can't download EVERYTHING.

But if a blogger who has tastes in tune with yours
recommends an album, gives you a track. You might
pay enough attention to go see that person in concert,
buy the cd, download,support the artist. It's consistently
been shown in most surveys that these active
"internet music participants" -downloaders , bloggers etc.
buy more music products, see more concerts than
those who don't.If you are a "tastemaker"
a writer in a magazine, the bloggers do alot of the
john peel leg work of listening to everything.





> > Myspace to update where bands are touring, latest releases are
> > slowly changing the whole game.
>
> These are fine words, but in practice the majors dominate the download
> market far more than physicals (particularly on singles) - because after all
> they have relationships with the download retailers too. Log onto any
> download site you like and there will be certain releases in the
> foreground - that doesn't happen by accident.

I know. But they can't have everything and the "digital gatekeeping"
creep has been noticed by the EU and others...

> More to the point, brilliant as the net is for keeping people informed about
> their favourite acts, that's only a pretty small proportion of the total
> market. Most people don't actually care that much.
>

True. But i saw a while back that basically people downloaded
porn, music,video on the net.Not te works of shakespear.



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