Singles
-------
Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to 
'normal' proportions.

New Entries/Climbers
--------------------
Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36

Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39

* These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them 
as if they are new.


New outside the top 40 : Andy Williams #43, Wham #50, David Guetta #55, 
Peter Gelderblom #56, Paramore #61, Westlife #62, Twang #63, Uniting 
Nations #64, Wizzard #65, Newton Faulkner #66, Amy McDonald #67, Ernie 
K-Doe #71, Booty Luv #73

Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?

Albums
------
Leona holds at #1 for a 3rd week by a significant margin.

NE's (top 20) : Shayne Ward #2, Kylie #4, Russell Watson #14, Royal 
Scots Dragoon Guards #17

New outside the top 20 : Connie Talbot #35, Paul Potts #38, All Angels 
#44, Simon & Garfunkel #47, Foster & Allen #50, Genesis #51, Teatro #52, 
Richard Fleeshman #71

Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
I can't see anything preventing a 7th week at #1 for Leona.

Top 10 : Soulja Boy, Dannii Minogue, Arctic Monkeys
Top 20 : Elvis (the last one, TF!), Babyshambles,
Top 30 : Enemy, Foo Fighters, J Holiday, Peter Gelderblom
Top 40 : Bon Jovi, Ian Brown, James Blunt, Maximo Park

Any other possibilities?

Cascada definitely top 20 if out on download - no doubt one or two 
Xmassy re-entries too.

Albums
------
Probably still Leona, since all of the major releases are already out.

Top 20 NE : Cascada, U2 (Joshua Tree re-entry)

Others : 2 Pac*2, Choirboys, Josh Groban
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:11:08 -0000, Paul Hyett  wrote:

> Singles
> -------
> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to
> 'normal' proportions.
>
> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36

I can't believe that T2 chavvy shite beat Girls Aloud to the #2
position. It's not been a good week overall for them with the album
dropping like a stone as well.

Fred X

In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Fred X  wrote 
:
>On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:11:08 -0000, Paul Hyett 
> wrote:
>
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to
>> 'normal' proportions.
>>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36
>
>I can't believe that T2 chavvy shite beat Girls Aloud to the #2
>position.

That's a regular problem nowadays, where an artist/group has a 
relatively high proportion of physical single sales - but the fact that 
they released the album *before* the single can't have helped.

>It's not been a good week overall for them with the album
>dropping like a stone as well.

Just like Kylie, they are of the genre that isn't known for sustained 
album sales.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Fred X  wrote :
>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:11:08 -0000, Paul Hyett 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to
>>> 'normal' proportions.
>>>
>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
>>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
>>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36
>>
>> I can't believe that T2 chavvy shite beat Girls Aloud to the #2
>> position.
> 
> That's a regular problem nowadays, where an artist/group has a 
> relatively high proportion of physical single sales - but the fact that 
> they released the album *before* the single can't have helped.
> 
>> It's not been a good week overall for them with the album
>> dropping like a stone as well.
> 
> Just like Kylie, they are of the genre that isn't known for sustained 
> album sales.

Indeed - let's see where Kylie ends up next Sunday.

-- 
Robbie

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:11:08 GMT, Paul Hyett
 wrote:

>Singles
>-------
>Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to 
>'normal' proportions.

Who's releasing this week ? Oh well... there's Dannii Minogue ! Maybe
she could...

>New Entries/Climbers
>--------------------
>Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23

amazing : )

>Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?

Any info about the album ? is it selling well ? 

>Albums
>------
>Leona holds at #1 for a 3rd week by a significant margin.

: (
Xmas present of 2008... 

>NE's (top 20) : Shayne Ward #2

So many thought he was over...

>Kylie #4

huge disappointment... so huge... 

album new releases are very poor, btw...

>Next Week
>---------
>Singles
>-------
>I can't see anything preventing a 7th week at #1 for Leona.

Oh no ! Please stop her !!! 

>Top 10 : Soulja Boy, Dannii Minogue, Arctic Monkeys

top10 for Dannii ? really ???
AM... they seemd so huge at the beginning of 2007... 

>Top 20 : Elvis (the last one

it won't be the last ! remember my words ! ;PPP

>Top 30 : Enemy

the album is quite good ! : )

>Top 40 : James Blunt

The lad who sang You're beautiful... seems 10 years ago...

>Albums
>------
>since all of the major releases are already out.

This is so bad... A very weird Xmas... 

Cheers
Moor, waiting for 2008...
-- 
The last girl and the last reason to make this last for as long as I could
The first kiss and the first time that I felt connected to anything
The weight of water [GA, 3.15]

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Robbie  
wrote :
>>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>
>>> I can't believe that T2 chavvy shite beat Girls Aloud to the #2
>>> position.
>>  That's a regular problem nowadays, where an artist/group has a 
>>relatively high proportion of physical single sales - but the fact 
>>that  they released the album *before* the single can't have helped.
>>
>>> It's not been a good week overall for them with the album
>>> dropping like a stone as well.

>>  Just like Kylie, they are of the genre that isn't known for 
>>sustained  album sales.
>
>Indeed - let's see where Kylie ends up next Sunday.
>
Shouldn't slip too far - the seasonal flood of new albums is pretty much 
over, with only Cascada likely to go top 10.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Moor  
wrote :
>
>>New Entries/Climbers
>>--------------------
>>Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23
>
>amazing : )

She would have been top 5 last Xmas, if eligible.
>
>>Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?
>
>Any info about the album ? is it selling well ?

Not really - just #185 last week.
>
>>Albums
>>------
>
>>NE's (top 20) : Shayne Ward #2
>
>So many thought he was over...

I thought *that* 5 seconds after he won X-Factor... :)
>
>>Kylie #4
>
>huge disappointment... so huge...
>
>album new releases are very poor, btw...

Except Cascada...

New album releases dry up as soon as we hit December.
>
>>Next Week
>>---------
>>Singles
>>-------
>>I can't see anything preventing a 7th week at #1 for Leona.
>
>Oh no ! Please stop her !!!
>
>>Top 10 : Soulja Boy, Dannii Minogue, Arctic Monkeys
>
>top10 for Dannii ? really ???

Tons of TV airplay, plus the X-Factor publicity of course.

>AM... they seemd so huge at the beginning of 2007...

This is at least the 3rd single from the album though - will sell very 
few downloads, so don't expect it to hang around long.
>
>>Top 30 : Enemy
>
>the album is quite good ! : )

So fans will buy that, rather than this...
>
>
>>Albums
>>------
>>since all of the major releases are already out.
>
>This is so bad... A very weird Xmas...
>
A number of the expected monster sellers barely got off the ground - 
James Blunt, Katie Melua, KT Tunstall, Spice Girls...
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:I$iOUvYJFxUHFw1J@blueyonder.co.uk...
> Singles
> -------
> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to 
> 'normal' proportions.
>
> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36
>
> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>
> * These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them as 
> if they are new.

Of all the Christmas re-entries I wonder why this one is currently rhe
highest. Is is so very popular, I've always found it rather freary.
Never know it got as high as no.2 originally though..

>
> New outside the top 40 : Andy Williams #43, Wham #50, David Guetta #55, 
> Peter Gelderblom #56, Paramore #61, Westlife #62, Twang #63, Uniting 
> Nations #64, Wizzard #65, Newton Faulkner #66, Amy McDonald #67, Ernie 
> K-Doe #71, Booty Luv #73

Wot no Slade?
But the usual suspects are starting to make their prescence felt.
Band Aid and Cliff in the next week or two I would imagine.
-- 
Col

Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 07:23:08 -0000, Paul Hyett  wrote:

> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Dec 2007, Fred X  wrote
> :
>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:11:08 -0000, Paul Hyett
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to
>>> 'normal' proportions.
>>>
>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
>>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
>>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36
>>
>> I can't believe that T2 chavvy shite beat Girls Aloud to the #2
>> position.
>
> That's a regular problem nowadays, where an artist/group has a
> relatively high proportion of physical single sales - but the fact that
> they released the album *before* the single can't have helped.

Yep, I always thought was a rather bizarre decision all along. The fact
that they had a new single ,album and tour tickets on sale in the same two
weeks probably didn't help either.

>> It's not been a good week overall for them with the album
>> dropping like a stone as well.
>
> Just like Kylie, they are of the genre that isn't known for sustained
> album sales.

That doesn't explain how Steps managed to sell so many of them though
does it? :)

Fred X

I'm back online everybody!
Don't all cheer at once...

> Singles
> -------
> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to 
> 'normal' proportions.

And theoretically catchable ones, although there are no very obvious 
catchers this time.

> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3

Performing somewhat better than I thought it would, though not as well as it 
looked earlier in the week. If it's true that it didn't do as well on 
physicals as expected, then Universal may be ruing the decision to release 
the album ahead of the single.

> Top 20 : Elvis #12*,

And this week's lucky winner is 'American Trilogy', one of many latterday 
Elvis hits recorded on stage - a medley of patriotic songs might not seem 
the most obvious hit in the UK, but it went to Number 8 in 1972 and has 
remained a fan favourite since then. Of course the same 9-10 thousand people 
have bought this reissue as the other ones.

>Soulja Boy #14,

You might not want to hear this, but the physical seems to have been brought 
forward to the 10th.

>Nickelback #19

Slightly random climb, which sort of suggests to me that this isn't a great 
week for sales. And the video isn't even on the CD!

> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*,

Obviously, this is the Christmas one. For some reason this seems to have 
been one of the biggest Christmas tracks last year, and I'm told it's in an 
advert this year.

> Editors #26,

One place higher than 'An End Has A Start', although this may not represent 
significantly higher sales. Perhaps more people wanted a second 7" than a 
remix CD.

> Pendulum #29

Their highest charter to date. Personally I'm not massively fond of this new 
direction for them.

> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32,

Just when you thought there was enough Led Zep in the charts, the teenager 
returns with his own reworking of their track 'D'Yer Mak'er?' [see what they 
did there?]. Apparently this is only the second time they've ever allowed 
such a sample.

> Pogues & KM #33*,

Happy Christmas, yer arse!

> Sugababes #36

Out on CD on the 17th.

> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39

That'll be the X-Factor thing then. No sign of her new single, I notice.

> * These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them as 
> if they are new.

For extra confusion, the OCC will count the Elvis one as new.

> New outside the top 40 : Andy Williams #43,

A nice little birthday present for him. (re?)-released on the 10th.

> Wham #50,

No prizes for guessing which track.

>David Guetta #55,

Out on CD & 12" on the 10th.

> Peter Gelderblom #56,

Out today on the obvious formats.

> Paramore #61,

You know, there are obvious disadvantages to releasing the third single from 
the album as a one-track CD. Unless it's got really good artwork or 
something.

>Westlife #62,

An album track called 'I'm Already There', which I presume they've been

>Twang #63,

And a career that got off to a flying start seems to be grounded again. 
Although this is essentially bad baggy to the tune of Salt N' Pepa's 'Push 
It', so you can't exactly blame the record-buying public...

> Uniting Nations #64,

Out of time? ;-)
Haven't heard this actually.

>Wizzard #65,

Another festive tune, in this case one that's actually been specifically 
re-issued as a digital single.

>Newton Faulkner #66,

His version of 'Teardrop', which might also be construed as a re-entry 
because it's been in the Top 75. It's now scheduled for single release 
though, next week in fact.

> Amy McDonald #67,

Well-placed to outperform her last one then.

>Ernie K-Doe #71,

Assuming there aren't two different Ernies, this is a rather belated chart 
return after his famous 1961 hit 'Mother-In-Law' (ironically enough, he 
didn't have one at the time). Since he's no longer alive to record new 
material I guess this must be in an advert or something.

>Booty Luv #73

Out on 12" and presumably CD on the 24th of December. They must be 
desperate.

> Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?

I wouldn't know, but it's plausible. Unless it's just people logging on to 
iTUnes to download all those Christmas tracks.
Speaking of which, there are a couple more in the Top 100:

78: Shakin Stevens
82: Band Aid/Band Aid II
88: Chris Rea

Apparently, 'Mistletoe & Wine' is 155.

And on a different tip, the single-track download of Shayne Ward's 'If 
That's OK With U' debuts at 72.

> Albums
> ------
> Leona holds at #1 for a 3rd week by a significant margin.

3 already?

> NE's (top 20) : Shayne Ward #2,

They said it couldn't be done, but yes he has charted a second album at a 
respectable level. Were it not for T2 we'd have a reality 1-2 on both 
charts.

> Kylie #4,

Her tenth album, hence the title. I believe this is EMI's first album 
release on a memory stick, not that it seems to have helped much.

>Russell Watson #14,

Not his highest-charting album, but he's presumably too ill to promote it.

>Royal Scots Dragoon Guards #17

35 years after they topped the singles chart, but I don't think it's the 
same lineup somehow!
This is meant to be a collection of songs about Scotland, although somehow 
they've included something called 'Green Hills Of Tyrol' and the theme from 
Last Of The Mohicans.

> New outside the top 20 : Connie Talbot #35,

Six-year-old child who was the runner up on Britain's Got Talent, and is 
releasing a single today in time to miss the Christmas market.

>Paul Potts #38,

The man who outdid her with the Christmas Edition of his album. In other 
words, there are five seasonal songs on a second disc

>All Angels #44,

There's a lot of MOR this week, and clearly rather more than the market can 
bear as this is the follow-up to a Top 10 debut. There's a version of 
'Nothing Compares 2 U' on it, for some reason.

> Simon & Garfunkel #47,

Box set of their five studio albums and a reunion concert on DVD. Good value 
at the price if you haven't already got this stuff, although they weren't 
the msot consistent album act of all time.

> Foster & Allen #50,

Much-charted vocal/accordion duo with an album that apparently combines 
loves songs and comedy numbers.

> Genesis #51,

Double live CD from the recent comeback tour.

> Teatro #52,

A musical theatre boyband. Exactly what the world needs.

> Richard Fleeshman #71

Teenage Coronation Street actor who thinks the world needs to hear a whole 
CD of competent but boring AOR from him.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> I can't see anything preventing a 7th week at #1 for Leona.

Not this week.

> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,

I haven't actually heard it, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out. 
Especially after the "amazing" coincidence of her storming off X-Factor this 
weekend.

>Arctic Monkeys

Of course, they've never before missed the Top 5 with an eligible single, 
but I can envisage this becoming one of the lesser hits for various reasons.

> Top 20 : Elvis (the last one, TF!),

This time...

>Babyshambles,

I'd forgotten it was out this week actually, not that that matters.

> Top 30 : Enemy,

Given the timing, that seems about right, although it's one of their more 
likeable efforts.

> Foo Fighters,

Again, not the most consistent singles sellers, and the continued popularity 
of 'The Pretender' may be a hinderance.

>J Holiday, Peter Gelderblom

Hard to disagree with either of those.

> Top 40 : Bon Jovi,

They cancelled the last one, but this has actually come out so they must 
have some reason to be more confident.

>Ian Brown,

Banned by no radio station, but not actually noticed by anyone very much.

>James Blunt,

A disappointment to him if true, but not unlikely.

>Maximo Park

Much as I like them, they only just scraped in last time.

> Any other possibilities?

Probably loads but the only one I can remember offhand is the Killers, with 
a digital Christmas single.

> Cascada definitely top 20 if out on download -

It's normally a fair working assumption that anything released on an album 
is also out as a download.

> no doubt one or two Xmassy re-entries too.

More to the point, the ones that are already in the chart are more likely to 
go up than down.

> Albums
> ------
> Probably still Leona, since all of the major releases are already out.

Agreed. Can she last until Christmas?

> Top 20 NE : Cascada,

Presumably Top 10.

>U2 (Joshua Tree re-entry)

I was thinking of buying it myself until I saw how much it costs.

> Others : 2 Pac*2,

Have these had any promo?

>Choirboys,

Although they didn't do that well first time around.

>Josh Groban

We Brits don't go for Christmas albums in a big way.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

More of my blathering is available at
http://faynights.users.btopenworld.com

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Fred X  wrote 
:
>
>>> It's not been a good week overall for them with the album
>>> dropping like a stone as well.
>>
>> Just like Kylie, they are of the genre that isn't known for sustained
>> album sales.
>
>That doesn't explain how Steps managed to sell so many of them though
>does it? :)

The market has changed a bit since Steps were around, though.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Col  
wrote :
>> Singles
>> -------
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36
>>
>> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>>
>> * These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them as
>> if they are new.
>
>Of all the Christmas re-entries I wonder why this one is currently rhe
>highest.

Which one?

>Is is so very popular, I've always found it rather freary.
>Never know it got as high as no.2 originally though..
>>
>> New outside the top 40 : Andy Williams #43, Wham #50, David Guetta #55,
>> Peter Gelderblom #56, Paramore #61, Westlife #62, Twang #63, Uniting
>> Nations #64, Wizzard #65, Newton Faulkner #66, Amy McDonald #67, Ernie
>> K-Doe #71, Booty Luv #73
>
>Wot no Slade?

They aren't far off, I suspect - but they had a CD re-release last year, 
so the demand would have been stated somewhat.

>But the usual suspects are starting to make their prescence felt.
>Band Aid and Cliff in the next week or two I would imagine.

Probably not Cliff - I don't think his fans even know what downloads 
are... :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :

>I'm back online everybody!

I noticed you went AWOL, but assumed it was pressure of work, or you 
were on holiday, or something...
>
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to
>> 'normal' proportions.
>
>And theoretically catchable ones, although there are no very obvious
>catchers this time.

T2 are the closest, of course - but even so, they are 9k back...

01 Leona 40,530
02 T2 31,768
03 Girls Aloud 31,457

Looks like the Girls were probably overtaken no earlier than Sat 
afternoon.
>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>
>Performing somewhat better than I thought it would, though not as well as it
>looked earlier in the week. If it's true that it didn't do as well on
>physicals as expected, then Universal may be ruing the decision to release
>the album ahead of the single.

The album release date was pretty much dictated by the proximity of Xmas 
though.
>
>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*,
>
>And this week's lucky winner is 'American Trilogy', one of many latterday
>Elvis hits recorded on stage - a medley of patriotic songs might not seem
>the most obvious hit in the UK, but it went to Number 8 in 1972 and has
>remained a fan favourite since then. Of course the same 9-10 thousand people
>have bought this reissue as the other ones.

At least this week's will be the last - for now anyway, until RCA comes 
up with another feeble excuse to sucker gullible fans into coughing up 
for songs they already own... :)
>
>>Soulja Boy #14,
>
>You might not want to hear this, but the physical seems to have been brought
>forward to the 10th.

I'd already heard that rumour, as ChartsPlus mentioned it last week. 
I've seen no confirmation though.
>
>>Nickelback #19
>
>Slightly random climb, which sort of suggests to me that this isn't a great
>week for sales.

Up from 18 to 17 on download.

It does seem to be defying the usual chart patterns, though.

>And the video isn't even on the CD!

Which wouldn't affect download sales of course.
>
>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*,
>
>Obviously, this is the Christmas one. For some reason this seems to have
>been one of the biggest Christmas tracks last year, and I'm told it's in an
>advert this year.

Aren't they all? :)
>
>> Pendulum #29
>
>Their highest charter to date. Personally I'm not massively fond of this new
>direction for them.

Or the old direction.
>
>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32,
>
>Just when you thought there was enough Led Zep in the charts, the teenager
>returns with his own reworking of their track 'D'Yer Mak'er?' [see what they
>did there?].

Given this position is on full release, hopefully this is the last we'll 
see of this annoying kid.

Of course, we now have another one, in the form of 'Soulja Boy'. :(

> Apparently this is only the second time they've ever allowed
>such a sample.

Presumably the first was Eric Prydz early this year?
>
>> Pogues & KM #33*,
>
>Happy Christmas, yer arse!

At least R1 played it uncut on the chart show.
>
>> Sugababes #36
>
>Out on CD on the 17th.

Much inferior to the last one - though of course, even if it had been 
the most brilliant thing they'd ever recorded, it would still be fucked 
by X-Factor...
>
>> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>
>That'll be the X-Factor thing then. No sign of her new single, I notice.

Due 31/12, only out on downloads.
>
>> * These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them as
>> if they are new.
>
>For extra confusion, the OCC will count the Elvis one as new.

I don't really get that?
>
>> New outside the top 40 : Andy Williams #43,
>
>A nice little birthday present for him.

He'll be able to afford a new zimmer-frame, then. :)

> (re?)-released on the 10th.

As are Pogues/Kirsty.

For Xmas songs at least, strong download sales give a good indication of 
whether CD re-releases are worthwhile. Of course, the above track was 
last re-released only two years ago - getting to #3.
>
>> Wham #50,
>
>No prizes for guessing which track.

I bet Andrew needs the money more than George, though. :)
>
>>David Guetta #55,
>
>Out on CD & 12" on the 10th.

Not sure why they are bothering, though.
>
>> Peter Gelderblom #56,
>
>Out today on the obvious formats.

Attractive brunette in the video...
>
>> Paramore #61,
>
>You know, there are obvious disadvantages to releasing the third single from
>the album as a one-track CD. Unless it's got really good artwork or
>something.

Under-rated band, IMO.
>
>>Westlife #62,
>
>An album track called 'I'm Already There', which I presume they've been

... what?
>
>> Uniting Nations #64,
>
>Out of time? ;-)
>Haven't heard this actually.

Titled 'Do It Yourself' - and it's not about home improvement. :)
>
>>Wizzard #65,
>
>Another festive tune, in this case one that's actually been specifically
>re-issued as a digital single.

For all the difference that makes.
>
>>Newton Faulkner #66,
>
>His version of 'Teardrop', which might also be construed as a re-entry
>because it's been in the Top 75. It's now scheduled for single release
>though, next week in fact.

Benefiting Massive Attack almost as much.
>
>>Ernie K-Doe #71,
>
>Assuming there aren't two different Ernies, this is a rather belated chart
>return after his famous 1961 hit 'Mother-In-Law' (ironically enough, he
>didn't have one at the time). Since he's no longer alive to record new
>material I guess this must be in an advert or something.

Not a clue - never heard of him, or it before.
>
>> Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?
>
>I wouldn't know, but it's plausible. Unless it's just people logging on to
>iTUnes to download all those Christmas tracks.

But the above *isn't* an Xmas track.

>Speaking of which, there are a couple more in the Top 100:
>
>78: Shakin Stevens
>82: Band Aid/Band Aid II
>88: Chris Rea

Not to mention loads of others even further down - I dare say the Top 
200 will be flooded with them for the Xmas chart!
>
>And on a different tip, the single-track download of Shayne Ward's 'If
>That's OK With U' debuts at 72.

Caused me some confusion on Sunday when updating my spreadsheet. Surely 
its sales should have been combined with the #30, though?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Leona holds at #1 for a 3rd week by a significant margin.
>
>3 already?

Seems more like 30. :(
>
>> NE's (top 20) : Shayne Ward #2,
>
>They said it couldn't be done, but yes he has charted a second album at a
>respectable level. Were it not for T2 we'd have a reality 1-2 on both
>charts.

I think Girls Aloud have been around long enough to shed that label, 
though.
>
>> Kylie #4,
>
>Her tenth album, hence the title. I believe this is EMI's first album
>release on a memory stick, not that it seems to have helped much.

82.4k sales are not to be sniffed at, though.

The extra free downloadable track was the first music I've ever 
downloaded, BTW.
>
>>Russell Watson #14,
>
>Not his highest-charting album, but he's presumably too ill to promote it.

Not that he needed to.
>
>>Royal Scots Dragoon Guards #17
>
>35 years after they topped the singles chart, but I don't think it's the
>same lineup somehow!

Did you notice Katherine Jenkins album beat GA to #3 last week... :)
>
>>All Angels #44,
>
>There's a lot of MOR this week

Closer to classical, surely?
>
>> Simon & Garfunkel #47,
>
>Box set of their five studio albums and a reunion concert on DVD. Good value
>at the price if you haven't already got this stuff

There are fans left that *haven't*??

>, although they weren't
>the msot consistent album act of all time.

Yeah, that 'Bridge...' album really bombed... :)
>
>> Foster & Allen #50,
>
>Much-charted vocal/accordion duo with an album that apparently combines
>loves songs and comedy numbers.

I remember their debut hit in 1982.
>
>> Genesis #51,
>
>Double live CD from the recent comeback tour.

How can it be doubly live? :)
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> I can't see anything preventing a 7th week at #1 for Leona.
>
>Not this week.
>
>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>
>I haven't actually heard it

Not too surprising, as IIRC you don't have a TV, and radio won't touch 
it - but it's had tons of Sky music channels airplay.

>, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out.

It's not like there's a lot of competition.
>
>>Arctic Monkeys
>
>Of course, they've never before missed the Top 5 with an eligible single,

They may well *start* top 5, but this ain't gonna sell on download, and 
too many people will have the album to stop CD sales being anything 
other than ultra-front-loaded.
>
>>Babyshambles,
>
>I'd forgotten it was out this week actually, not that that matters.

I see he's got a solo album lined up.
>
>>J Holiday, Peter Gelderblom
>
>Hard to disagree with either of those.

I find the first of the above disagreeable. :)
>
>>James Blunt,
>
>A disappointment to him if true, but not unlikely.

The single is extremely mediocre, even for him.
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>Probably loads but the only one I can remember offhand is the Killers, with
>a digital Christmas single.
>
I've heard nothing about it.

>> Cascada definitely top 20 if out on download -
>
>It's normally a fair working assumption that anything released on an album
>is also out as a download.

But how much will that undercut the CD single sales?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Probably still Leona, since all of the major releases are already out.
>
>Agreed. Can she last until Christmas?

Looks very likely now, nothing anywhere near her, and no big name 
releases left.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Cascada,
>
>Presumably Top 10.

Not quite as badly under-stocked as last time, but still not prominent 
on the new release shelves. I bought it, of course.
>
>>U2 (Joshua Tree re-entry)
>
>I was thinking of buying it myself until I saw how much it costs.

I didn't check.
>
>> Others : 2 Pac*2,
>
>Have these had any promo?

Does he ever?

Of course, we're now entering the period where only has-beens, 
non-entities, or rock bands looking to sneak a high chart position post 
Xmas, bother releasing new albums.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:lX6FeJBsxPVHFwaz@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Col  
> wrote :
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*, Soulja Boy #14, Nickelback #19
>>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*, Editors #26, Pendulum #29
>>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32, Pogues & KM #33*, Sugababes #36
>>>
>>> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>>>
>>> * These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them 
>>> as
>>> if they are new.
>>
>>Of all the Christmas re-entries I wonder why this one is currently rhe
>>highest.
>
> Which one?

Sorry, Mariah Carey.
I find the whole thing rather dull to be honest.

>>Wot no Slade?
>
> They aren't far off, I suspect - but they had a CD re-release last year, 
> so the demand would have been stated somewhat.

Ah yes, I remember someone saying sometihng about this some weekds ago.
-- 
Col

Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:QZjoNLGJ0QVHFwM9@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>
>>I'm back online everybody!
>
> I noticed you went AWOL, but assumed it was pressure of work, or you were 
> on holiday, or something...

Actually my net connection went wrong weeks ago, and that time I was posting 
a couple of weeks back was when I was on holiday. But I'm now back home with 
a new router. I might go back and comment on last week's chart just for 
completeness.

Anyhow, enough about me.

>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Leona Lewis still #1, for a 6th week - though her lead has now shrunk to
>>> 'normal' proportions.
>>
>>And theoretically catchable ones, although there are no very obvious
>>catchers this time.
>
> T2 are the closest, of course - but even so, they are 9k back...

Well quite, and it's obviously a more specialist track.

> 01 Leona 40,530
> 02 T2 31,768
> 03 Girls Aloud 31,457
>
> Looks like the Girls were probably overtaken no earlier than Sat 
> afternoon.

That'd be my guess.

>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 10 : Girls Aloud #3
>>
>>Performing somewhat better than I thought it would, though not as well as 
>>it
>>looked earlier in the week. If it's true that it didn't do as well on
>>physicals as expected, then Universal may be ruing the decision to release
>>the album ahead of the single.
>
> The album release date was pretty much dictated by the proximity of Xmas 
> though.

It's not till the 25th though. I'm sure they could have released the single 
and album in the opposite order.
That said, it probably helped the album a bit that people didn't already 
have the track.

>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12*,
>>
>
> At least this week's will be the last - for now anyway, until RCA comes up 
> with another feeble excuse to sucker gullible fans into coughing up for 
> songs they already own... :)

Or no excuse at all.

>>>Soulja Boy #14,
>>
>>You might not want to hear this, but the physical seems to have been 
>>brought
>>forward to the 10th.
>
> I'd already heard that rumour, as ChartsPlus mentioned it last week. I've 
> seen no confirmation though.

FWIW, HMV are listing it for the 10th now. It would seem a logical decision 
on the record company's part.

>>>Nickelback #19
>>
>>Slightly random climb, which sort of suggests to me that this isn't a 
>>great
>>week for sales.
>
> Up from 18 to 17 on download.
>
> It does seem to be defying the usual chart patterns, >though.

I know. It's not even a big radio hit AFAIK.

>>And the video isn't even on the CD!
>
> Which wouldn't affect download sales of course.

No, but of course we know that the video isn't there.

>>> Top 30 : Mariah Carey #23*,
>>
>>Obviously, this is the Christmas one. For some reason this seems to have
>>been one of the biggest Christmas tracks last year, and I'm told it's in 
>>an
>>advert this year.
>
> Aren't they all? :)

I'm lucky enough not to know.

>>> Pendulum #29
>>
>>Their highest charter to date. Personally I'm not massively fond of this 
>>new
>>direction for them.
>
> Or the old direction.

I thought 'Slam' was a pretty good track, actually. But adding vocals 
doesn't work for me.

>>> Top 40 : Sean Kingston #32,
>>
>>Just when you thought there was enough Led Zep in the charts, the teenager
>>returns with his own reworking of their track 'D'Yer Mak'er?' [see what 
>>they
>>did there?].
>
> Given this position is on full release, hopefully this is the last we'll 
> see of this annoying kid.

And he looked like the sort of act who'd be around for decades didn't he? 
;-)

>> Apparently this is only the second time they've ever allowed
>>such a sample.
>
> Presumably the first was Eric Prydz early this year?

Wasn't that Pink Floyd?

I'd guess they were referring to 'Come With Me' by Puff Daddy and Jimmy 
Page, which is based on the Zep song 'Kashmir'.

>>> Pogues & KM #33*,
>>
>>Happy Christmas, yer arse!
>
> At least R1 played it uncut on the chart show.

And always have, IIRC.

>>> Sugababes #36
>>
>>Out on CD on the 17th.
>
> Much inferior to the last one - though of course, even if it had been the 
> most brilliant thing they'd ever recorded, it would still be fucked by 
> X-Factor...

There's a mental imafe I never wanted...

>>> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>>
>>That'll be the X-Factor thing then. No sign of her new single, I notice.
>
> Due 31/12, only out on downloads.

That may be the "official" date, but as it's from the album there's nothing 
to stop people downloading it now if they want to.

>>> * These are re-entries too, of course, but for my purposes I count them 
>>> as
>>> if they are new.
>>
>>For extra confusion, the OCC will count the Elvis one as new.
>
> I don't really get that?

As far as the OCC is concerned, the Elvis record is a new entry because 
there's a new physical format, whereas Mariah, the Pogues, Christina et al 
are all re-entries.

>>> New outside the top 40 : Andy Williams #43,
>>
>>A nice little birthday present for him.
>
> He'll be able to afford a new zimmer-frame, then. :)
>
>> (re?)-released on the 10th.
>
> As are Pogues/Kirsty.

Yeah, I just saw that too - although it looks like a new pressing of the 
2005 re-issue.

> For Xmas songs at least, strong download sales give a good indication of 
> whether CD re-releases are worthwhile.

Perhaps in theory - but in practice they'd have to commit themselves before 
they knew that, bearing in mind that the downloads won't start selling until 
a few weeks before Christmas and there's no point releasing the CD after 
about the 20th of December.

> Of course, the above track was last re-released only two years ago - 
> getting to #3.

Which may be why they were able to do this.

>>>David Guetta #55,
>>
>>Out on CD & 12" on the 10th.
>
> Not sure why they are bothering, though.

Because they hate us?

>>> Peter Gelderblom #56,
>>
>>Out today on the obvious formats.
>
> Attractive brunette in the video...

Not him, presumably.

>>> Paramore #61,
>>
>>You know, there are obvious disadvantages to releasing the third single 
>>from
>>the album as a one-track CD. Unless it's got really good artwork or
>>something.
>
> Under-rated band, IMO.

One Avril Lavigne was enough for me.

>>>Westlife #62,
>>
>>An album track called 'I'm Already There', which I presume they've been
>
> ... what?

It was obviously so dull even I've forgotten it.

>>>Wizzard #65,
>>
>>Another festive tune, in this case one that's actually been specifically
>>re-issued as a digital single.
>
> For all the difference that makes.

Impossible to prove, of course, but the record company might have been 
worried about people not knowing how to spell "Wizzard". Or not knowing to 
search for Roy Wood.

>>>Newton Faulkner #66,
>>
>>His version of 'Teardrop', which might also be construed as a re-entry
>>because it's been in the Top 75. It's now scheduled for single release
>>though, next week in fact.
>
> Benefiting Massive Attack almost as much.

Possibly, although there may be an element of coincidence. Even I know that 
it's the theme to a TV show...

>>>Ernie K-Doe #71,
>>
>>Assuming there aren't two different Ernies, this is a rather belated chart
>>return after his famous 1961 hit 'Mother-In-Law' (ironically enough, he
>>didn't have one at the time). Since he's no longer alive to record new
>>material I guess this must be in an advert or something.
>
> Not a clue - never heard of him, or it before.

You may have heard the 'Mother-In-Law' song, although as it was his only UK 
hit (until now) the name isn't well known.

>>> Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?
>>
>>I wouldn't know, but it's plausible. Unless it's just people logging on to
>>iTUnes to download all those Christmas tracks.
>
> But the above *isn't* an Xmas track.

It isn't - but presumably a lot of people are Christmas songs from there, 
and we know Feist is selling there, so it's a possibility.

>>Speaking of which, there are a couple more in the Top 100:
>>
>>78: Shakin Stevens
>>82: Band Aid/Band Aid II
>>88: Chris Rea
>
> Not to mention loads of others even further down - I dare say the Top 200 
> will be flooded with them for the Xmas chart!

And therefore a lot of re-entries in mid-Jan.

>>And on a different tip, the single-track download of Shayne Ward's 'If
>>That's OK With U' debuts at 72.
>
> Caused me some confusion on Sunday when updating my spreadsheet. Surely 
> its sales should have been combined with the #30, though?

Nope - a double A-sided release can only be combined with downloads of one 
"side" and for that very reason you could initially only download 'No U Hang 
Up' by itself or the two tracks bundled together. However, with the release 
of the album all the individual tracks are now on sale, hence this belated 
entry.
That said, I assumed these sales would be ignored under the rule that stops 
the same song appearing in the chart twice.

>>> Albums
>>> ------

>>> NE's (top 20) : Shayne Ward #2,
>>
>>They said it couldn't be done, but yes he has charted a second album at a
>>respectable level. Were it not for T2 we'd have a reality 1-2 on both
>>charts.
>
> I think Girls Aloud have been around long enough to shed that label, 
> though.

Arguably so.

>>> Kylie #4,
>>
>>Her tenth album, hence the title. I believe this is EMI's first album
>>release on a memory stick, not that it seems to have helped much.
>
> 82.4k sales are not to be sniffed at, though.

No, although I'm guessing the USB only accounts for a few of those.

>>>Russell Watson #14,
>>
>>Not his highest-charting album, but he's presumably too ill to promote it.
>
> Not that he needed to.

Apparently there's a duet with Denise Van Outen on there, so it probably 
suited him to keep quiet about it.

>>>Royal Scots Dragoon Guards #17
>>
>>35 years after they topped the singles chart, but I don't think it's the
>>same lineup somehow!
>
> Did you notice Katherine Jenkins album beat GA to #3 last week... :)

Er, yes I did.
Apparently she's the fastest-selling mezzo-soprano ever, FWIW.

>>>All Angels #44,
>>
>>There's a lot of MOR this week
>
> Closer to classical, surely?

Kind of - but what I mean is that this is obviously aimed at the MOR market, 
like a lot of the other stuff out this week.

>>> Simon & Garfunkel #47,
>>
>>Box set of their five studio albums and a reunion concert on DVD. Good 
>>value
>>at the price if you haven't already got this stuff
>
> There are fans left that *haven't*??

Not enough for a Top 40 album, evidently.

>>, although they weren't
>>the msot consistent album act of all time.
>
> Yeah, that 'Bridge...' album really bombed... :)

I meant artistically (which is what counts here) not commercially, and it's 
really patchy. IMO Bookends is their only consistently good one.

>>> Foster & Allen #50,
>>
>>Much-charted vocal/accordion duo with an album that apparently combines
>>loves songs and comedy numbers.
>
> I remember their debut hit in 1982.

I don't.

>>> Genesis #51,
>>
>>Double live CD from the recent comeback tour.
>
> How can it be doubly live? :)

Bad vocals?

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------

>>
>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>>
>>I haven't actually heard it
>
> Not too surprising, as IIRC you don't have a TV, and radio won't touch 
> it - but it's had tons of Sky music channels airplay.

Correct - and even if I had I wouldn't be watching Dannii Minogue videos on 
it.

>>, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out.
>
> It's not like there's a lot of competition.

That at least is true.

>>>Arctic Monkeys
>>
>>Of course, they've never before missed the Top 5 with an eligible single,
>
> They may well *start* top 5, but this ain't gonna sell on download, and 
> too many people will have the album to stop CD sales being anything other 
> than ultra-front-loaded.

I was planning to download it, but my usual stores of choice don't have the 
full single yet, so I'm holding fire.

>>>Babyshambles,
>>
>>I'd forgotten it was out this week actually, not that that matters.
>
> I see he's got a solo album lined up.

Apparently, but there's been talk about that for ages.

>>>J Holiday, Peter Gelderblom
>>
>>Hard to disagree with either of those.
>
> I find the first of the above disagreeable. :)

I find endlessly repeating one line of a song I didn't much like in the 
first place kind of annoying too.

>>>James Blunt,
>>
>>A disappointment to him if true, but not unlikely.
>
> The single is extremely mediocre, even for him.

Are you sure you want to say that? Remember he's a trained killer.

>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>Probably loads but the only one I can remember offhand is the Killers, 
>>with
>>a digital Christmas single.
>>
> I've heard nothing about it.

Would you care if you did though?
Actually, HMV's website is listing a CD single for Christmas week now.

>>> Cascada definitely top 20 if out on download -
>>
>>It's normally a fair working assumption that anything released on an album
>>is also out as a download.
>
> But how much will that undercut the CD single sales?

On previous form, probably not much.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Probably still Leona, since all of the major releases are already out.
>>
>>Agreed. Can she last until Christmas?
>
> Looks very likely now, nothing anywhere near her, and no big name releases 
> left.

Unless somebody dies?

>>> Top 20 NE : Cascada,
>>
>>Presumably Top 10.
>
> Not quite as badly under-stocked as last time, but still not prominent on 
> the new release shelves. I bought it, of course.

Well, I'd guess the new release shelves have relatively few genuinely new 
releases at this time of year.

>>>U2 (Joshua Tree re-entry)
>>
>>I was thinking of buying it myself until I saw how much it costs.
>
> I didn't check.

The shop I looked in were charging about £12:95 for the single CD and £22:95 
for the double. They didn't have the version with the DVD, presumably 
because it's so hard to get a second mortgage these days...

>>> Others : 2 Pac*2,
>>
>>Have these had any promo?
>
> Does he ever?

Well, he releases singles relatively often.

> Of course, we're now entering the period where only has-beens, 
> non-entities, or rock bands looking to sneak a high chart position post 
> Xmas, bother releasing new albums.

That and releases that are expected to be big in the US, which is presumably 
where 2Pac fits in.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Col  
wrote :

>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>> --------------------
>>>
>>>Of all the Christmas re-entries I wonder why this one is currently rhe
>>>highest.
>>
>> Which one?
>
>Sorry, Mariah Carey.

>I find the whole thing rather dull to be honest.

Well, given the number of songs that'd been hanging around for ages, 
just think of the Xmas re-entries as a laxative for the charts... :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>
>> I noticed you went AWOL, but assumed it was pressure of work, or you were
>> on holiday, or something...
>
>Actually my net connection went wrong weeks ago, and that time I was posting
>a couple of weeks back was when I was on holiday. But I'm now back home with
>a new router. I might go back and comment on last week's chart just for
>completeness.

Yay!
>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>> --------------------
>>>>Soulja Boy #14,
>
>FWIW, HMV are listing it for the 10th now. It would seem a logical decision
>on the record company's part.

I'd rather have Leona at #1 for an 8th, and surely final, week - due to 
the release of the X-Factor winner's single.
>
>>>>Nickelback #19
>>>
>>>Slightly random climb, which sort of suggests to me that this isn't a
>>>great
>>>week for sales.
>>
>> Up from 18 to 17 on download.
>>
>> It does seem to be defying the usual chart patterns, >though.
>
>I know. It's not even a big radio hit AFAIK.

It had 368 spins for the week 18-24th Nov, but only 68th place - so the 
big two are barely touching it.
>
>>> Apparently this is only the second time they've ever allowed
>>>such a sample.
>>
>> Presumably the first was Eric Prydz early this year?
>
>Wasn't that Pink Floyd?

D'oh! I often get those two mixed up! :)
>
>I'd guess they were referring to 'Come With Me' by Puff Daddy and Jimmy
>Page, which is based on the Zep song 'Kashmir'.

At least it wasn't Special D... :)
>
>>>> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>>>
>>>That'll be the X-Factor thing then. No sign of her new single, I notice.
>>
>> Due 31/12, only out on downloads.
>
>That may be the "official" date, but as it's from the album there's nothing
>to stop people downloading it now if they want to.

But people who have the album, wouldn't *need* to...
>>>
>>>For extra confusion, the OCC will count the Elvis one as new.
>>
>> I don't really get that?
>
>As far as the OCC is concerned, the Elvis record is a new entry because
>there's a new physical format, whereas Mariah, the Pogues, Christina et al
>are all re-entries.

Ah, but since both Andy Williams, and the Pogues are re-releasing on CD 
next week, calling *them* 'new entries' would be insane since they are 
already charting...
>
>> For Xmas songs at least, strong download sales give a good indication of
>> whether CD re-releases are worthwhile.
>
>Perhaps in theory - but in practice they'd have to commit themselves before
>they knew that, bearing in mind that the downloads won't start selling until
>a few weeks before Christmas and there's no point releasing the CD after
>about the 20th of December.

But they would know well in advance if a track was being used in an 
advert - as with Andy Williams and M&S.
>
>>>> Paramore #61,
>>>
>>>You know, there are obvious disadvantages to releasing the third single
>>>from
>>>the album as a one-track CD. Unless it's got really good artwork or
>>>something.
>>
>> Under-rated band, IMO.
>
>One Avril Lavigne was enough for me.

But unlike Avril, Paramore's Hayley Williams is actually attractive.
>
>>>> Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?
>>>
>>>I wouldn't know, but it's plausible. Unless it's just people logging on to
>>>iTUnes to download all those Christmas tracks.
>>
>> But the above *isn't* an Xmas track.
>
>It isn't - but presumably a lot of people are Christmas songs from there,
>and we know Feist is selling there, so it's a possibility.

But there's no reason why they should benefit more than anyone else from 
that.
>>
>> Not to mention loads of others even further down - I dare say the Top 200
>> will be flooded with them for the Xmas chart!
>
>And therefore a lot of re-entries in mid-Jan.

Or bounces.

With Xmas day falling on a Tuesday this year, half a week's Xmas sales 
will fall onto the 5/1/08 chart, with the real sales collapse falling on 
the 12/1 chart.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>
>> Did you notice Katherine Jenkins album beat GA to #3 last week... :)
>
>Er, yes I did.
>Apparently she's the fastest-selling mezzo-soprano ever, FWIW.

The morons at the OCC have apparently decided the album is not 
'classical enough' to be eligible for that genres specific chart, 
though.

WTF is she, if not classical - heavy metal? :)
>
>>>> Foster & Allen #50,
>>
>> I remember their debut hit in 1982.
>
>I don't.

Count yourself lucky. :)

>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>
>>>, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out.

By the looks of the mids, the only thing that could save it is if she 
performs it topless on X-Factor this weekend... :)
>
>>>>James Blunt,
>>>
>>>A disappointment to him if true, but not unlikely.
>>
>> The single is extremely mediocre, even for him.
>
>Are you sure you want to say that? Remember he's a trained killer.

He'd need 50 nukes if he wanted to kill everyone who thought *that* 
about the song... :)
>
>>>> Cascada definitely top 20 if out on download -
>>>
>>>It's normally a fair working assumption that anything released on an album
>>>is also out as a download.
>>
>> But how much will that undercut the CD single sales?
>
>On previous form, probably not much.

Slow start, but that often happens with downloads...

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Probably still Leona, since all of the major releases are already out.
>>>
>>>Agreed. Can she last until Christmas?
>>
>> Looks very likely now, nothing anywhere near her, and no big name releases
>> left.
>
>Unless somebody dies?

Not even that.
>
>> Of course, we're now entering the period where only has-beens,
>> non-entities, or rock bands looking to sneak a high chart position post
>> Xmas, bother releasing new albums.
>
>That and releases that are expected to be big in the US, which is presumably
>where 2Pac fits in.

But they've surely exhausted his back catalogue by now...
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:idCkc3COJlVHFw75@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>
>>> I noticed you went AWOL, but assumed it was pressure of work, or you 
>>> were
>>> on holiday, or something...
>>
>>Actually my net connection went wrong weeks ago, and that time I was 
>>posting
>>a couple of weeks back was when I was on holiday. But I'm now back home 
>>with
>>a new router. I might go back and comment on last week's chart just for
>>completeness.
>
> Yay!

I may have to brave the MI5 posts on Google to find it, though, so it could 
take a while.

>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>Soulja Boy #14,
>>
>>FWIW, HMV are listing it for the 10th now. It would seem a logical 
>>decision
>>on the record company's part.
>
> I'd rather have Leona at #1 for an 8th, and surely final, week - due to 
> the release of the X-Factor winner's single.

But it's not you they'd have to impress.

>>>>>Nickelback #19
>>>>
>>>>Slightly random climb, which sort of suggests to me that this isn't a
>>>>great
>>>>week for sales.
>>>
>>> Up from 18 to 17 on download.
>>>
>>> It does seem to be defying the usual chart patterns, >though.
>>
>>I know. It's not even a big radio hit AFAIK.
>
> It had 368 spins for the week 18-24th Nov, but only 68th place - so the 
> big two are barely touching it.

I bet Virgin are playing it, actually.

>>>> Apparently this is only the second time they've ever allowed
>>>>such a sample.
>>>
>>> Presumably the first was Eric Prydz early this year?
>>
>>Wasn't that Pink Floyd?
>
> D'oh! I often get those two mixed up! :)

The clue is that the Floyd record was a Number One. But that said, they did 
go through their own phase of not releasing singles.

>>I'd guess they were referring to 'Come With Me' by Puff Daddy and Jimmy
>>Page, which is based on the Zep song 'Kashmir'.
>
> At least it wasn't Special D... :)

BTW, when I first heard the Kingston record I thought it sounded a lot like 
UB40's version of 'Red Red Wine'.

>>>>> Re-entry for Christina (Hurt) #39
>>>>
>>>>That'll be the X-Factor thing then. No sign of her new single, I notice.
>>>
>>> Due 31/12, only out on downloads.
>>
>>That may be the "official" date, but as it's from the album there's 
>>nothing
>>to stop people downloading it now if they want to.
>
> But people who have the album, wouldn't *need* to...

Absolutely true - but equally true of 'Hurt'.

>>>>For extra confusion, the OCC will count the Elvis one as new.
>>>
>>> I don't really get that?
>>
>>As far as the OCC is concerned, the Elvis record is a new entry because
>>there's a new physical format, whereas Mariah, the Pogues, Christina et al
>>are all re-entries.
>
> Ah, but since both Andy Williams, and the Pogues are re-releasing on CD 
> next week, calling *them* 'new entries' would be insane since they are 
> already charting...

I can appreciate the point you're making, but those aren't ideal examples: 
the Andy Williams song is a new entry this week because it was never 
previously a UK hit and the Pogues one will be a re-entry anyhow.

>>> For Xmas songs at least, strong download sales give a good indication of
>>> whether CD re-releases are worthwhile.
>>
>>Perhaps in theory - but in practice they'd have to commit themselves 
>>before
>>they knew that, bearing in mind that the downloads won't start selling 
>>until
>>a few weeks before Christmas and there's no point releasing the CD after
>>about the 20th of December.
>
> But they would know well in advance if a track was being used in an 
> advert - as with Andy Williams and M&S.

Yes they would - but that will have trumped the downloads that have only 
just started.

>>>>> Re-entry for Feist at #57 - is the advert back on again?
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't know, but it's plausible. Unless it's just people logging on 
>>>>to
>>>>iTUnes to download all those Christmas tracks.
>>>
>>> But the above *isn't* an Xmas track.
>>
>>It isn't - but presumably a lot of people are Christmas songs from there,
>>and we know Feist is selling there, so it's a possibility.
>
> But there's no reason why they should benefit more than anyone else from 
> that.

Not really. It was just a guess.

>>> Not to mention loads of others even further down - I dare say the Top 
>>> 200
>>> will be flooded with them for the Xmas chart!
>>
>>And therefore a lot of re-entries in mid-Jan.
>
> Or bounces.

Same difference surely? What I mean is that when they all drop out, there'll 
be a lot coming back into the spaces.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>
>>> Did you notice Katherine Jenkins album beat GA to #3 last week... :)
>>
>>Er, yes I did.
>>Apparently she's the fastest-selling mezzo-soprano ever, FWIW.
>
> The morons at the OCC have apparently decided the album is not 'classical 
> enough' to be eligible for that genres specific chart, though.
>
> WTF is she, if not classical - heavy metal? :)

It's to do with the repertoire. I don't know exactly how they define 
classical music in this context, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't include 
cover versions of Seal songs.

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>>
>>>>, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out.
>
> By the looks of the mids, the only thing that could save it is if she 
> performs it topless on X-Factor this weekend... :)

Bit late by then anyway.

>>>>>James Blunt,
>>>>
>>>>A disappointment to him if true, but not unlikely.
>>>
>>> The single is extremely mediocre, even for him.
>>
>>Are you sure you want to say that? Remember he's a trained killer.
>
> He'd need 50 nukes if he wanted to kill everyone who thought *that* about 
> the song... :)

It looks like his problem is that most people aren't thinking about it at 
all.

>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Probably still Leona, since all of the major releases are already out.
>>>>
>>>>Agreed. Can she last until Christmas?
>>>
>>> Looks very likely now, nothing anywhere near her, and no big name 
>>> releases
>>> left.
>>
>>Unless somebody dies?
>
> Not even that.

Depends who it is, surely.

>>> Of course, we're now entering the period where only has-beens,
>>> non-entities, or rock bands looking to sneak a high chart position post
>>> Xmas, bother releasing new albums.
>>
>>That and releases that are expected to be big in the US, which is 
>>presumably
>>where 2Pac fits in.
>
> But they've surely exhausted his back catalogue by now...

We've been thinking that for years...

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>> --------------------
>
>>>I'd guess they were referring to 'Come With Me' by Puff Daddy and Jimmy
>>>Page, which is based on the Zep song 'Kashmir'.
>>
>> At least it wasn't Special D... :)
>
>BTW, when I first heard the Kingston record I thought it sounded a lot like
>UB40's version of 'Red Red Wine'.

You expect a song called 'Red Red W(h)ine' to be performed as a duet by 
Ronald Reagan & Joseph McCarthy...
>>
>> Ah, but since both Andy Williams, and the Pogues are re-releasing on CD
>> next week, calling *them* 'new entries' would be insane since they are
>> already charting...
>
>I can appreciate the point you're making, but those aren't ideal examples:
>the Andy Williams song is a new entry this week because it was never
>previously a UK hit

Nor even in America - it's from his 1963 Xmas album...

Last week I bought 'Joel Whitburn Presents the Billboard Albums' - an 
expensive book covering the full Billboard top 200 from 1956 to 2005.

It gives the same sort of info Guinness does for the UK charts, along 
with gold/platinum disc status, brief artist biographies, and perhaps 
the most useful of all - it gives full track lists for every album! 
Also, if the track charted as a single, it lists what position it 
reached!

Obviously, many US albums don't chart here, and vice versa - and those 
that do, don't necessarily share the same track listing, but it is still 
proving very handy when looking for tracks by major artists. :)
>>
>> But they would know well in advance if a track was being used in an
>> advert - as with Andy Williams and M&S.
>
>Yes they would - but that will have trumped the downloads that have only
>just started.

I wonder if record companies make more money (or lose less) from 
downloads than CD singles, bearing in mind the much higher production & 
distribution costs for the latter?
>
>>>> Not to mention loads of others even further down - I dare say the Top
>>>> 200
>>>> will be flooded with them for the Xmas chart!
>>>
>>>And therefore a lot of re-entries in mid-Jan.
>>
>> Or bounces.
>
>Same difference surely?

Not quite - 'bouncing' implies they stay in the charts, just being 
pushed down, rather than dropping out altogether.

> What I mean is that when they all drop out, there'll
>be a lot coming back into the spaces.

And there looks like being a *lot* of spaces!
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> Did you notice Katherine Jenkins album beat GA to #3 last week... :)
>>>
>>>Er, yes I did.
>>>Apparently she's the fastest-selling mezzo-soprano ever, FWIW.
>>
>> The morons at the OCC have apparently decided the album is not 'classical
>> enough' to be eligible for that genres specific chart, though.
>>
>> WTF is she, if not classical - heavy metal? :)
>
>It's to do with the repertoire. I don't know exactly how they define
>classical music in this context, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't include
>cover versions of Seal songs.

But the repertoire is not significantly different from the previous 4 
albums which they did allow into the classical music chart...
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>>>
>>>>>, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out.
>>
>> By the looks of the mids, the only thing that could save it is if she
>> performs it topless on X-Factor this weekend... :)
>
>Bit late by then anyway.

What, you think potential buyers will be too busy with the resultant 
'hand-jobs' to download it before midnight? :)
>
>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> Looks very likely now, nothing anywhere near her, and no big name
>>>> releases
>>>> left.
>>>
>>>Unless somebody dies?
>>
>> Not even that.
>
>Depends who it is, surely.

No, not even then.

No matter how famous the person, the record company wouldn't be able to 
produce copies fast enough to satisfy demand - not enough to outsell the 
rest of the Xmas market, anyway.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
news:$CbTLtCqS6VHFwpX@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>> --------------------

>>> Ah, but since both Andy Williams, and the Pogues are re-releasing on CD
>>> next week, calling *them* 'new entries' would be insane since they are
>>> already charting...
>>
>>I can appreciate the point you're making, but those aren't ideal examples:
>>the Andy Williams song is a new entry this week because it was never
>>previously a UK hit
>
> Nor even in America - it's from his 1963 Xmas album...

Those aren't mutually exclusive, obviously.

> Last week I bought 'Joel Whitburn Presents the Billboard Albums' - an
> expensive book covering the full Billboard top 200 from 1956 to 2005.

I thought I saw a post about that somewhere.

> It gives the same sort of info Guinness does for the UK charts, along with
> gold/platinum disc status, brief artist biographies, and perhaps the most
> useful of all - it gives full track lists for every album! Also, if the
> track charted as a single, it lists what position it reached!
>
> Obviously, many US albums don't chart here, and vice versa - and those
> that do, don't necessarily share the same track listing, but it is still
> proving very handy when looking for tracks by major artists. :)

I've got some discography books that I use in similar ways, although they 
don't happen to cover Andy Williams. Robbie Williams, Hank Williams, yes...

>>> But they would know well in advance if a track was being used in an
>>> advert - as with Andy Williams and M&S.
>>
>>Yes they would - but that will have trumped the downloads that have only
>>just started.
>
> I wonder if record companies make more money (or lose less) from downloads
> than CD singles, bearing in mind the much higher production & distribution
> costs for the latter?

My guess would be yes, although I'm in no position to quantify it.

>>>>> Not to mention loads of others even further down - I dare say the Top
>>>>> 200
>>>>> will be flooded with them for the Xmas chart!
>>>>
>>>>And therefore a lot of re-entries in mid-Jan.
>>>
>>> Or bounces.
>>
>>Same difference surely?
>
> Not quite - 'bouncing' implies they stay in the charts, just being pushed
> down, rather than dropping out altogether.

I suppose there'll have to be both, in practice.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you notice Katherine Jenkins album beat GA to #3 last week... :)
>>>>
>>>>Er, yes I did.
>>>>Apparently she's the fastest-selling mezzo-soprano ever, FWIW.
>>>
>>> The morons at the OCC have apparently decided the album is not
>>> 'classical
>>> enough' to be eligible for that genres specific chart, though.
>>>
>>> WTF is she, if not classical - heavy metal? :)
>>
>>It's to do with the repertoire. I don't know exactly how they define
>>classical music in this context, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't include
>>cover versions of Seal songs.
>
> But the repertoire is not significantly different from the previous 4
> albums which they did allow into the classical music chart...

I think there's a percentage limit, so she might have tipped just over it.

>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>>>>
>>>>>>, but I don't suppose it can be ruled out.
>>>
>>> By the looks of the mids, the only thing that could save it is if she
>>> performs it topless on X-Factor this weekend... :)
>>
>>Bit late by then anyway.
>
> What, you think potential buyers will be too busy with the resultant
> 'hand-jobs' to download it before midnight? :)

I wouldn't like to think of it quite so specifically, but that is part of 
it. And the song is unlikely to be what sticks in their minds.

>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks very likely now, nothing anywhere near her, and no big name
>>>>> releases
>>>>> left.
>>>>
>>>>Unless somebody dies?
>>>
>>> Not even that.
>>
>>Depends who it is, surely.
>
> No, not even then.
>
> No matter how famous the person, the record company wouldn't be able to
> produce copies fast enough to satisfy demand - not enough to outsell the
> rest of the Xmas market, anyway.

Not if it's somebody whose records are already well-stocked though (eg 
somebody with a big current release). And of course there are downloads now.

    Chris

Chris Brown wrote:
> "Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
> news:$CbTLtCqS6VHFwpX@blueyonder.co.uk...
>> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 5 Dec 2007, Chris Brown
>>  wrote :
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>>> --------------------
> 
>>>> Ah, but since both Andy Williams, and the Pogues are re-releasing on CD
>>>> next week, calling *them* 'new entries' would be insane since they are
>>>> already charting...
>>> I can appreciate the point you're making, but those aren't ideal examples:
>>> the Andy Williams song is a new entry this week because it was never
>>> previously a UK hit
>> Nor even in America - it's from his 1963 Xmas album...
> 
> Those aren't mutually exclusive, obviously.

There'll be no problem with The Pogues anyway since it's really more a 
repressing of the 2005 release than a re-issue (it has the same catalog 
number and tracklisting - this is what used to happen in the old days 
with Christmas songs, a song wouldn't be available for most of the year, 
then the label would press up a few more copies in time for Christmas). 
The same happened last year - the song was just made available to 
purchase on CD once more.




-- 
Robbie

In uk.music.charts on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>>> --------------------
>
>> Last week I bought 'Joel Whitburn Presents the Billboard Albums' - an
>> expensive book covering the full Billboard top 200 from 1956 to 2005.
>> It gives the same sort of info Guinness does for the UK charts, along with
>> gold/platinum disc status, brief artist biographies, and perhaps the most
>> useful of all - it gives full track lists for every album! Also, if the
>> track charted as a single, it lists what position it reached!
>>
>> Obviously, many US albums don't chart here, and vice versa - and those
>> that do, don't necessarily share the same track listing, but it is still
>> proving very handy when looking for tracks by major artists. :)
>
>I've got some discography books that I use in similar ways, although they
>don't happen to cover Andy Williams. Robbie Williams, Hank Williams, yes...

I'm only interested in the charts though, so I wouldn't buy a book that 
was *just* a discography. Besides, nowadays you can probably find that 
info on the artists website anyway.

Re Feist's re-entry - the iPod Nano advert *is* back on, and will surely 
continue until Xmas, so they may well return to the top 40.
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>
>I wouldn't like to think of it quite so specifically, but that is part of
>it. And the song is unlikely to be what sticks in their minds.

All academic now, as it looks is if it may even miss the top 40!
>
>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>
>> No matter how famous the person, the record company wouldn't be able to
>> produce copies fast enough to satisfy demand - not enough to outsell the
>> rest of the Xmas market, anyway.
>
>Not if it's somebody whose records are already well-stocked though (eg
>somebody with a big current release). And of course there are downloads now.

But full-album downloads are only a tiny proportion of the market - and 
people usually download individual album tracks anyway.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Robbie  
wrote :
>
>There'll be no problem with The Pogues anyway since it's really more a 
>repressing of the 2005 release than a re-issue (it has the same catalog 
>number and tracklisting - this is what used to happen in the old days 
>with Christmas songs, a song wouldn't be available for most of the 
>year, then the label would press up a few more copies in time for 
>Christmas). The same happened last year - the song was just made 
>available to purchase on CD once more.

That explains why it charted, but Mariah didn't.

Looks likely to make the top 10 for the 3rd successive year. Has any 
Xmas song done that before?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:2cMx8sB6rkWHFwxm@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Robbie  
> wrote :
>>
>>There'll be no problem with The Pogues anyway since it's really more a 
>>repressing of the 2005 release than a re-issue (it has the same catalog 
>>number and tracklisting - this is what used to happen in the old days with 
>>Christmas songs, a song wouldn't be available for most of the year, then 
>>the label would press up a few more copies in time for Christmas). The 
>>same happened last year - the song was just made available to purchase on 
>>CD once more.
>
> That explains why it charted, but Mariah didn't.
>
> Looks likely to make the top 10 for the 3rd successive year. Has any Xmas 
> song done that before?

I thought Band Aid might have done but I checked it out
and found it was just two years, only getting to no.86 in 1986.
-- 
Col

Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
news:u8K3U9AgnkWHFwwc@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>
>>> Last week I bought 'Joel Whitburn Presents the Billboard Albums' - an
>>> expensive book covering the full Billboard top 200 from 1956 to 2005.
>>> It gives the same sort of info Guinness does for the UK charts, along
>>> with
>>> gold/platinum disc status, brief artist biographies, and perhaps the
>>> most
>>> useful of all - it gives full track lists for every album! Also, if the
>>> track charted as a single, it lists what position it reached!
>>>
>>> Obviously, many US albums don't chart here, and vice versa - and those
>>> that do, don't necessarily share the same track listing, but it is still
>>> proving very handy when looking for tracks by major artists. :)
>>
>>I've got some discography books that I use in similar ways, although they
>>don't happen to cover Andy Williams. Robbie Williams, Hank Williams,
>>yes...
>
> I'm only interested in the charts though, so I wouldn't buy a book that
> was *just* a discography.

Whereas I am more interested in at least some more obscure releases. And I 
obviously have got UK chart books too, though I find the discography helpful 
for US chart peaks (and releases in the first half of 2006).

> Besides, nowadays you can probably find that
> info on the artists website anyway.

You probably can - but that's surely equally true of your book? Books still 
have their advantages - they're more browsable than the net for one thing.

> Re Feist's re-entry - the iPod Nano advert *is* back on, and will surely
> continue until Xmas, so they may well return to the top >40.

No surprise that the ad's back, and I agree that it'll keep running. I 
suppose the only question is whether she can fight off the challenge of the 
old Christmas songs.

>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> Top 10 : Dannii Minogue,
>>
>>I wouldn't like to think of it quite so specifically, but that is part of
>>it. And the song is unlikely to be what sticks in their minds.
>
> All academic now, as it looks is if it may even miss the top 40!

She might come close enough to blame the Christmas songs for that - but it 
shouldn't (from her perspective) come to that.

>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>
>>> No matter how famous the person, the record company wouldn't be able to
>>> produce copies fast enough to satisfy demand - not enough to outsell the
>>> rest of the Xmas market, anyway.
>>
>>Not if it's somebody whose records are already well-stocked though (eg
>>somebody with a big current release). And of course there are downloads
>>now.
>
> But full-album downloads are only a tiny proportion of the market - and
> people usually download individual album tracks anyway.

I completely agree with that in general - but we are talking about the 
specific (and, with all due respect to Stockhausen, hypothetical) situation 
where a major act dies and provokes an unexpected rush of demand for their 
back catalogue.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Sat, 8 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>
>> Re Feist's re-entry - the iPod Nano advert *is* back on, and will surely
>> continue until Xmas, so they may well return to the top >40.
>
>No surprise that the ad's back, and I agree that it'll keep running. I
>suppose the only question is whether she can fight off the challenge of the
>old Christmas songs.

More useful for her if it encouraged more people to buy the album - 
especially in the pre-Xmas rush!
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On 8 Dec, 09:19, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Robbie 
> wrote :
>
>
>
> >There'll be no problem with ThePoguesanyway since it's really more a
> >repressing of the 2005 release than a re-issue (it has the same catalog
> >number and tracklisting - this is what used to happen in the old days
> >with Christmas songs, a song wouldn't be available for most of the
> >year, then the label would press up a few more copies in time for
> >Christmas). The same happened last year - the song was just made
> >available to purchase on CD once more.
>
> That explains why it charted, but Mariah didn't.
>
> Looks likely to make the top 10 for the 3rd successive year. Has any
> Xmas song done that before?
> --
> Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

hi could we please clear up a point on the pogues single everything
you have said so far is correct but if the single carries the same
cataloge number and  is the same in every other way ie tracks it
should be classed as a reissue (see slade merry christmas
everybody ,christmas after christmas listed as a re entry with the
same cat number) so why in music week dated the 15.12.2007 is it
listed as a new entry. one more thing should i enter it as one a re
entry two a new entry or just carry on it chart life as a climer,
because in music week dated the 8.12.2007 at number 33 it is clased as
a re entry because of down load sales thank

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 19 Dec 2007, basil82 
 wrote :

>> >ThePogues
>>
>> Looks likely to make the top 10 for the 3rd successive year. Has any
>> Xmas song done that before?
>
>hi could we please clear up a point on the pogues single everything
>you have said so far is correct but if the single carries the same
>cataloge number and  is the same in every other way ie tracks it
>should be classed as a reissue (see slade merry christmas
>everybody ,christmas after christmas listed as a re entry with the
>same cat number) so why in music week dated the 15.12.2007 is it
>listed as a new entry.

What they decide is often a mystery to everyone else. :)

> one more thing should i enter it as one a re
>entry two a new entry or just carry on it chart life as a climer

Personally, I just ignore all issues relating to catalogue numbers.

If a song is on the chart one week, then under a different catalogue 
number the next, I just count it as a continuous chart run - after all, 
it is sales of the song that matter, not what's printed on the label.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"basil82"  wrote in message
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> On 8 Dec, 09:19, Paul Hyett  wrote:
>> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Robbie 
>> wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>> >There'll be no problem with ThePoguesanyway since it's really more a
>> >repressing of the 2005 release than a re-issue (it has the same catalog
>> >number and tracklisting - this is what used to happen in the old days
>> >with Christmas songs, a song wouldn't be available for most of the
>> >year, then the label would press up a few more copies in time for
>> >Christmas). The same happened last year - the song was just made
>> >available to purchase on CD once more.
>>
> hi could we please clear up a point on the pogues single everything
> you have said so far is correct but if the single carries the same
> cataloge number and  is the same in every other way ie tracks it
> should be classed as a reissue (see slade merry christmas
> everybody ,christmas after christmas listed as a re entry with the
> same cat number) so why in music week dated the 15.12.2007 is it
> listed as a new entry.

I think the usual definition of a "re-issue" [and certainly the one 
preferred by the chart books] is the same track released under a new 
catalogue number (implicitly but not necessarily with new B-sides or 
artwork), which is what the Slade record was in 2006 and in 1985. If the 
catalogue number remains unchanged it's a re-entry, which Slade achieved in 
1981, 1982, 1983, 1984 and 1986.*

Obviously, the introduction of downloads blurs some of these distinctions 
somewhat.

>one more thing should i enter it as one a re
> entry two a new entry or just carry on it chart life as a climer,
> because in music week dated the 8.12.2007 at number 33 it is clased as
> a re entry because of down load sales thank

This is oddly anomalous. So far this year, the OCC have frequently 
associated old tracks with the most recent physical release (eg, 
'Superstition' was associated with an obscure 12") and that has meant that 
some tracks have become new entries in the middle of a chart run when a new 
physical format was released. It looks like they've tried to do that again, 
but with the odd kicker that this is the same catalogue number as the 2005 
release. In my personal opinion, this entire chart run is best looked on as 
a re-entry of that.

* On an odd little tangent, 'Merry Xmas Everybody' has the unusual 
distinction of having charted (in the Top 75) as a re-entry, re-issue, 
re-recording and re-mix.

    Chris

On 19 Dec, 18:19, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 19 Dec 2007, basil82
>  wrote :
>
> >> >ThePogues
>
> >> Looks likely to make the top 10 for the 3rd successive year. Has any
> >> Xmas song done that before?
>
> >hi could we please clear up a point on the pogues single everything
> >you have said so far is correct but if the single carries the same
> >cataloge number and  is the same in every other way ie tracks it
> >should be classed as a reissue (see slade merry christmas
> >everybody ,christmas after christmas listed as a re entry with the
> >same cat number) so why in music week dated the 15.12.2007 is it
> >listed as a new entry.
>
> What they decide is often a mystery to everyone else. :)
>
> > one more thing should i enter it as one a re
> >entry two a new entry or just carry on it chart life as a climer
>
> Personally, I just ignore all issues relating to catalogue numbers.
>
> If a song is on the chart one week, then under a different catalogue
> number the next, I just count it as a continuous chart run - after all,
> it is sales of the song that matter, not what's printed on the label.
> --
> Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

thanks, one other thing i would like to say, is do you think with all
this confusion about  quite a few singles in recent weeks ie( is it a
new entry? is it a re entry? or is it a download? what week did it
change from just a down load?) compiling chart books in the future
will be a nightmare. nobody seems to be 100% sure your way works for
you and i do it a bit different are we both right wrong ? may be in
our own ways we are both right , i would have listed it a bit
different to you . i would have listed it as a re entry down load (or
can you do that, if its the first time its charted as a download?) and
i would have listed it as a re entry when it charted, when it came out
on cd vinyl ect as  long as the cat number and track are the same. i
know this may  seem to some quite a minor problem (and as you say it
sale that keep it in the chart,but on what format would be nice to
know it didnt matter so much before because three formant could be
counted as one and if a forth format came out it charted on its own
and you could tell) but to someone like my self who has collected the
chart for over thirty years it does make a differents. if we dont
keep a handle on it now there is going to be a lot of books with a lot
of mistakes in them made by people who dont care about the charts or
have the passion that people like us do and are just out to make a
quick buck. i know as well as i am sure you do the feeling of buying
what looks like a really good chart book only to find loads of
mistakes and myself twenty quid lighter in the pocket

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 19 Dec 2007, basil82 
 wrote :
>>
>> Personally, I just ignore all issues relating to catalogue numbers.
>>
>> If a song is on the chart one week, then under a different catalogue
>> number the next, I just count it as a continuous chart run - after all,
>> it is sales of the song that matter, not what's printed on the label.
>
>thanks, one other thing i would like to say, is do you think with all
>this confusion about  quite a few singles in recent weeks ie( is it a
>new entry? is it a re entry? or is it a download? what week did it
>change from just a down load?) compiling chart books in the future
>will be a nightmare.

Yes - Guinness, or whoever takes over from them, will not have an easy 
task. :)

>nobody seems to be 100% sure your way works for
>you and i do it a bit different are we both right wrong ? may be in
>our own ways we are both right , i would have listed it a bit
>different to you . i would have listed it as a re entry down load (or
>can you do that, if its the first time its charted as a download?)

ON the download chart, old songs are listed as re-entries, even if 
they've never charted as *downloads* before.

>but to someone like my self who has collected the
>chart for over thirty years it does make a differents.

30 years - that's before even I started, although I did have a very long 
break in the middle.

In the early 80's, I used to get the Record Mirror for the charts - but 
of course you can find them all on-line now, if you know where to 
look... :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>
>>one more thing should i enter it as one a re
>> entry two a new entry or just carry on it chart life as a climer,
>> because in music week dated the 8.12.2007 at number 33 it is clased as
>> a re entry because of down load sales thank
>
>This is oddly anomalous. So far this year, the OCC have frequently
>associated old tracks with the most recent physical release (eg,
>'Superstition' was associated with an obscure 12") and that has meant that
>some tracks have become new entries in the middle of a chart run when a new
>physical format was released. It looks like they've tried to do that again,
>but with the odd kicker that this is the same catalogue number as the 2005
>release. In my personal opinion, this entire chart run is best looked on as
>a re-entry of that.

Chart runs should now be based on the artist/song - if that remains the 
same from one week to the next, then catalogue numbers should be 
considered irrelevant.

This should only apply from 2007 though, otherwise you'd run into issues 
of imports creating fake climbs.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"basil82"  wrote in message
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> On 19 Dec, 18:19, Paul Hyett  wrote:
>> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 19 Dec 2007, basil82
>>  wrote :

>
> thanks, one other thing i would like to say, is do you think with all
> this confusion about  quite a few singles in recent weeks ie( is it a
> new entry? is it a re entry? or is it a download? what week did it
> change from just a down load?) compiling chart books in the future
> will be a nightmare.

That's pretty much undeniable. It's a coincidence that there haven't been 
any chart books this year, but in a way it's helped whoever ends up editing 
th