Singles
-------
Leona Lewis still dominates the chart, selling well over 100k for a 
second week.

New Entries/Climbers
--------------------
Top 10 : Westlife #3, Timbaland #4,
Top 20 : Samim #12, Elvis #15, Koopa #16, Robyn #17, Craig David #19
Top 30 : Akon #22, Rihanna #24, Alicia Keys #26, Elliot Minor #27, Avril 
Lavigne #30
Top 40 : Cliff Richard #38, Cribs #39

New outside the top 40 : Young Knives #43, One Night Only #46, Celine 
Dion #58

This list might not be complete, as I didn't have the full top 75 at the 
time of posting.


Albums
------
Another veteran band reappears from nowhere to claim the #1 spot - The 
Eagles, with their first new material in several decades.

NE's (top 20) : Britney #2, Robert Plant & Alison Krauss #4, Whitney 
Houston #5, Daniel O'Donnell & Mary Duff #6, Queen #20

New outside the top 20 : Backstreet Boys #21, Libertines #23, Avenged 
Sevenfold #24, Groove Armada #65, Nine Black Alps #69

This list might not be complete, as I didn't have the full top 75 at the 
time of posting.

Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Though her sales may slip down into 5 figures, there's no way anyone is 
going to get anywhere near Leona.

Top 10 : Spice Girls, Kylie, Craig David
Top 20 : Elvis, Kanye West, Alicia Keys
Top 30 : Wet Wet Wet,
Top 40 : David Gray, Justice, Seal

Any other possibilities?

Albums
------
No doubt in my mind that Westlife will be #1 next week.

Top 20 NE : McFly, Jay-Z, Wombats

Others : Angels & Airways, Chris Brown, Dannii Minogue, David Jordan, 
Nas, Sigur Ros
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> Singles
> -------
> Leona Lewis still dominates the chart, selling well over 100k for a second 
> week.

150k, according to the Beeb.
If she's still bleeding, she ought to elevate it.

> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Westlife #3,

Considering how little I liked the original version of this song, I'm 
surprised how much life Westlife seem to have sucked out of it.
I believe this is the first time the lead single from a Westlife album has 
charted so low, although 'Hey Whatever' was also a pre-album single.

> Timbaland #4,

It really annoys me when people give their songs titles that don't scan. Not 
that this record would be any good anyway.

> Top 20 : Samim #12,

Apparently the most exciting track to emerge from Ibiza this summer. Must 
have been a bit of a bum week, then.
To me this just sounds like it came from the ITV theme music library.

 >Elvis #15,

'Viva Las Vegas' was of course the title song from his 1964 movie, made more 
familiar to younger listeners by ZZ Top's cover version. His heart may have 
been more in the cover of 'What'd I Say' on the flipside, though.

> Koopa #16,

They still sell more when they release the singles on CD, don't they?

> Robyn #17,

Following up 'With Every Heartbeat' was always going to be a challenge, as 
it wasn't very typical of her work. Accordingly, 'Handle Me' is more RnB, 
and tries very hard to sound tough, although she hasn't really got the right 
sort of voice for that.

>Craig David #19

Out on CDs tomorrow, including what I think is the first "official" 
one-track CD.

> Top 30 : Akon #22,

For once, an Akon record that's worth hearing, but only for the comedy 
value.

>Rihanna #24,

Only two singles in the Top 40 this week!

>Alicia Keys #26,

Out on CD on the 12th.

> Elliot Minor #27,

I call it "crock" myself.

>Avril Lavigne #30

A "soring and anthemic youth-culture-defining single" [sic] which in the 
typical manner of later singles from her albums seems to flail about in 
search of a tune which never quite arrives.

> Top 40 : Cliff Richard #38,

Blame downloads if you like, blame the fact that the album has only five new 
tracks on it, blame the time of year - either way this is his smallest hit 
single since 1997.
'When I Need You' was, of course, a Number One for Leo Sayer in 1977 and a 
Top 5 for Will Mellor in 1998; it's been recorded by many other acts since, 
despite not actually being any good.

> Cribs #39

According to NME, they're so independent that they released the new A-side 
of this single 'Don't You Want To Be Relevant?' now, rather than holding it 
back for the next album and maximising its commercial potential. That 
doesn't quite make sense, does it?
And yes, they really are promoting a song called of that title by appearing 
on the Sex Pistols reunion tour.

> New outside the top 40 : Young Knives #43,

As if to prove that a Mercury nomination isn't the publicity boost it once 
was, the Oxfordshire trio bounce back with the first single from their 
forthcoming second disc and reap no apparent benefits. Mind you, this is 
also the week when New Young Pony Club released a single from their 
nominated record and missed the Top 100, maybe they should count their 
blessings.
I'm told this isn't the strongest of their new material.

> One Night Only #46,

Do you think they took that old advice about giving your band a name that 
would look good on a marquee slightly too literally?
Much as I tend to dislike this sort of music, this track isn't entirely 
unlikeable.

>Celine Dion #58

A download-only single, which may be a sign of the times.

> This list might not be complete, as I didn't have the full top 75 at the 
> time of posting.

It's on Buzzjack as of now, and those are the only new entries, although 
there are re-entries from Michael Jackson (57) and Ray Parker Jr (70). 
Nickelback have climbed into the Top 50 (is this figuring in the airplay 
charts?) and as you may have seen, both Kanye West and Nicole Scheherazade 
have dropped from the 40.

> Albums
> ------
> Another veteran band reappears from nowhere to claim the #1 spot - The 
> Eagles, with their first new material in several decades.

Indeed, the Long Road of the title seems apt, not only because this is a 
double-CD set running to 90 minutes even in its American version (do they 
really think they're more than twice as good now as they were in the 
seventies?) but because this, some 35 years since their first release and 28 
since their last new studio album, is their first set ever to top the UK 
album chart.

> NE's (top 20) : Britney #2,

In the light of recent events, the title Blackout suggest that she's either 
retained her sense of humour or isn't totally aware of what's being done in 
her name these days. It's hard to tell which is the more likely.
Even the more positive reviews suggest that she didn't have that much to do 
with it.

>Robert Plant & Alison Krauss #4,

There is, of course, a Led Zep compilation coming out to cash in on the 
reunion, but Plant for one is unsurprisingly pursuing his own career, though 
I for one wasn't expecting him to duet with bluegrass singer Alison Krauss 
on a cover version of a minor Everly Brothers hit, but he has and it's the 
lead track from their album together.

> Whitney Houston #5,

The so-called Ultimate Collection, although Sony BMG are probably not 
promising that this will be the last, and it's not an obvious improvement 
over her Greatest Hits seven years ago.

>Daniel O'Donnell & Mary Duff #6,

Apparently the highlight of this album is a cover version of 'Save Your 
Love'. How bad can the rest of it be?

> Queen #20

They Rock Montreal, apparently, with this 1981 performance from the Canadian 
city, apparently their last show as a quartet without synthesisers.
It's the first time this has been available on CD, although there have been 
various video and DVD releases before.

> New outside the top 20 : Backstreet Boys #21,

A comeback that hasn't unleashed wild excitement, then. I did hear one 
customer in WH Smith ensuring he got the deluxe version though. I'll spare 
you the obvious jokes about this album being called Unbreakable.

>Libertines #23,

It's hard to see where the market for this was - even with the inclusion of 
the non-album hit 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun' and a handful of B-sides, 
you're still stuck with the fact that they've assembled a best-of from two 
albums - and not even done that correctly, omitting the popular album track 
'Music When The Lights Go Out'.
Perhaps people who hadn't heard of the band until after they split are 
supposed to be the target audience.

> Avenged Sevenfold #24,

Fourth full-length from the Southern Californian metal band. I'm sure I've 
typed that sentence before.
Apparently A7X have dabbled with elements of jazz, ska and even country 
here, which has proved controversial among fans. Especially the ones who 
bought the clean version by mistake.

>Groove Armada #65,

A slightly newer album than I realised - their 2004 collection was called 
The Best Of and this is Greatest Hits. It does have a very similar cover, 
though, and nine of the same tracks, bolstered by a few selections from this 
year's Soundbwoy Rock LP (to be fair, that includes their first two Top Ten 
singles).
If you don't like this don't worry - they've got another compilation coming 
in a couple of weeks.

>Nine Black Alps #69

The album may be called Love/Hate, but it does look like that many people 
care either way.

> This list might not be complete, as I didn't have the full top 75 at the 
> time of posting.

Again, nothing else genuinely new. But re-entries for Kaiser Chiefs (53), 
Bob Marley And The Wailers (57) and Westlife (74, with their own Unbreakable 
album).

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Though her sales may slip down into 5 figures, there's no way anyone is 
> going to get anywhere near Leona.

I think this is probably right.

> Top 10 : Spice Girls,

Downloads only, of course, so they're at risk of their lowest-ever debut.

> Kylie,

I presume so, although she is pretty much untested on the download market.

>Craig David

That looks fairly safe.

> Top 20 : Elvis,

Of course - it's 'In The Ghetto' this time.

>Kanye West,

Presumably, although 'Heard 'Em Say' springs to mind.
In the absence of Keane, this may have the first ever chart-eligible memory 
stick format.

> Alicia Keys

Presumably.

> Top 30 : Wet Wet Wet,

Their last comeback single went Top 20, but they don't seem to have a big 
label behind them this time.

> Top 40 : David Gray,

I was about to say that his days as a big singles act were over. But 
actually, they never really happened did they?

> Justice,

The record company must hope so, otherwise the re-release will have been a 
waste of time.

> Seal

Noting that more people seem to have downloaded 'Kiss From A Rose' this 
week, I can't see him making it any higher than this. In fact I'm not sure 
why he even bothers with singles these days.

> Any other possibilities?

Well, Nicole Schwarzwalderkirschtorte's single finally makes it to CD this 
week, although nobody seems very keen on it. Palladium are supposed to be 
the latest Feeling/Hoosiers/Scouting For Girls, although they may go the way 
of One Night Only. 'Michael Jackson' by the Mitchell Brothers looked like it 
might become a hit at one point, but it's now been postponed so often I 
doubt anybody remembers.
Oh, and Duran Duran is out on downloads.

> Albums
> ------
> No doubt in my mind that Westlife will be #1 next >week.

Even accounting for the fact that the Eagles are on tour, I think that'll be 
right.

> Top 20 NE : McFly,

Top 10, probably.

> Jay-Z,

An extremely soft launch, but he is a very big star.

> Wombats

Apparently inevitable. Maybe we should all buy Joy Division albums to 
protest.

> Others : Angels & Airways,

Possibly, but the single disappeared.

> Chris Brown,

Yeah - the single's had unexpected staying power.

> Dannii Minogue,

I think this is a budget-priced album, which helps evade the question of how 
much market there is for it.

> David Jordan,

Probably, but what happened to the single?

> Nas,

Rap greatest hits albums are not usually all that popular, and this one 
doesn't even seem totally up to date.

>Sigur Ros

Not exactly a normal album, but will probably find some sort of audience.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
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In uk.music.charts on Sun, 4 Nov 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Leona Lewis still dominates the chart, selling well over 100k for a second
>> week.
>
>150k, according to the Beeb.

158,370 to be precise (377,175 in total). Another week, or at most two, 
will see her at #1 for the year, as Mika is on around 475k.

She now looks certain to remain top until the Spice Girls charity single 
gets its full release in 2 weeks time, even though the Spices album is 
released the week before.

Sales of Leona's single will be undercut from next Monday though, with 
the release of the album.
>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 10 : Westlife #3,
>
>I believe this is the first time the lead single from a Westlife album has
>charted so low

Though the competition is much tougher than normal.

Their probable 40k+ would normally have been sufficient for #1, of 
course.
>
>> Timbaland #4,
>
>It really annoys me when people give their songs titles that don't scan.

It's just one word!
>
>> Top 20 : Samim #12,
>
>Apparently the most exciting track to emerge from Ibiza this summer. Must
>have been a bit of a bum week, then.

Grin.
>
>> Koopa #16,
>
>They still sell more when they release the singles on CD, don't they?

I thought this was download-only, since they're unsigned?
>
>> Robyn #17,
>
>Following up 'With Every Heartbeat' was always going to be a challenge, as
>it wasn't very typical of her work.

You mean her one previous top 10 hit nearly a decade ago?
>
>>Craig David #19
>
>Out on CDs tomorrow, including what I think is the first "official"
>one-track CD.

Because no-one could stand more than one at a time? :)
>
>>Rihanna #24,
>
>Only two singles in the Top 40 this week!

With Umbrella finally outlasting its follow-up.
>
>>Alicia Keys #26,
>
>Out on CD on the 12th.

Could be top 10.
>
>> Top 40 : Cliff Richard #38,
>
>Blame downloads if you like,

Or his lack of them?

> blame the fact that the album has only five new
>tracks on it, blame the time of year - either way this is his smallest hit
>single since 1997.

I guess even R2 snubbed him this time...
>
>>Celine Dion #58
>
>A download-only single, which may be a sign of the times.

A video has now appeared for it, but too late.
>
>> This list might not be complete, as I didn't have the full top 75 at the
>> time of posting.
>
>It's on Buzzjack as of now

It appeared within a minute or two of my posting, of course... :)

>Nickelback have climbed into the Top 50 (is this figuring in the airplay
>charts?)

No.

> and as you may have seen, both Kanye West and Nicole Scheherazade

Scherzinger.
>
>have dropped from the 40.

Unfortunately the former will surely be back next Sunday.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Another veteran band reappears from nowhere to claim the #1 spot - The
>> Eagles, with their first new material in several decades.
>
>Indeed, the Long Road of the title seems apt, not only because this is a
>double-CD set running to 90 minutes even in its American version (do they
>really think they're more than twice as good now as they were in the
>seventies?) but because this, some 35 years since their first release and 28
>since their last new studio album, is their first set ever to top the UK
>album chart.

Or singles.
>
>> NE's (top 20) : Britney #2,
>
>In the light of recent events, the title Blackout suggest that she's either
>retained her sense of humour or isn't totally aware of what's being done in
>her name these days. It's hard to tell which is the more likely.
>Even the more positive reviews suggest that she didn't have that much to do
>with it.

Presumably she must sing on it, occasionally... :)
>
>> Whitney Houston #5,
>
>The so-called Ultimate Collection, although Sony BMG are probably not
>promising that this will be the last, and it's not an obvious improvement
>over her Greatest Hits seven years ago.

Has she even had any new hits since then?
>
>>Daniel O'Donnell & Mary Duff #6,
>
>Apparently the highlight of this album is a cover version of 'Save Your
>Love'. How bad can the rest of it be?

Oh well, I doubt it'll hang around long.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Though her sales may slip down into 5 figures, there's no way anyone is
>> going to get anywhere near Leona.
>
>I think this is probably right.

You only 'think'? Why, what do you reckon might actually have a chance, 
then?
>
>> Top 10 : Spice Girls,
>
>Downloads only, of course, so they're at risk of their lowest-ever debut.

Since that would presumably be #2, that's not saying much.
>
>> Kylie,
>
>I presume so, although she is pretty much untested on the download market.

Not true - 'I Believe In You' spent 7 weeks in the download top 10, 
peaking at #3.
>
>
>> Top 30 : Wet Wet Wet,
>
>Their last comeback single went Top 20, but they don't seem to have a big
>label behind them this time.

Or any promo whatsoever, at least from what I've seen...
>
>> Top 40 : David Gray,
>
>I was about to say that his days as a big singles act were over. But
>actually, they never really happened did they?

What about babble-on? :)
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>Well, Nicole Schwarzwalderkirschtorte's single finally makes it to CD this
>week,

I don't have it listed - I thought it may have been cancelled?

>Oh, and Duran Duran is out on downloads.

Saw the video - presumably the tamer version. Song was surprisingly OK.

I don't expect them to chart until full release though - but then may go 
top 10.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> No doubt in my mind that Westlife will be #1 next >week.
>
>Even accounting for the fact that the Eagles are on tour, I think that'll be
>right.
>
>> Top 20 NE : McFly,
>
>Top 10, probably.

Top 3, I'd say.
>
>> Jay-Z,
>
>An extremely soft launch, but he is a very big star.

Plus rap albums are normally slow-but-steady sellers, rather than 
front-loaded.
>
>> Dannii Minogue,
>
>I think this is a budget-priced album, which helps evade the question of how
>much market there is for it.

Does it contain her new single? If so, it's pretty daft releasing the 
album a month before the single!
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:kFnlKGEjjsLHFwbI@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 4 Nov 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Leona Lewis still dominates the chart, selling well over 100k for a 
>>> second
>>> week.
>>
>>150k, according to the Beeb.
>
> 158,370 to be precise (377,175 in total). Another week, or at most two, 
> will see her at #1 for the year, as Mika is on around 475k.
>
> She now looks certain to remain top until the Spice Girls charity single 
> gets its full release in 2 weeks time, even though the Spices album is 
> released the week before.

Logical.

> Sales of Leona's single will be undercut from next Monday though, with the 
> release of the album.

Yeah, but obviously that's going to affect most of the competitors.

>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 10 : Westlife #3,
>>
>>I believe this is the first time the lead single from a Westlife album has
>>charted so low
>
> Though the competition is much tougher than normal.
>
> Their probable 40k+ would normally have been sufficient for #1, of

True, but the record label can hardly claim they didn't know the Leona 
record was coming out.

>>> Timbaland #4,
>>
>>It really annoys me when people give their songs titles that don't scan.
>
> It's just one word!

Yeah, but it still doesn't fit the metre of the chorus - he has to sing 
"It's too late to pologize".

>>> Koopa #16,
>>
>>They still sell more when they release the singles on CD, don't they?
>
> I thought this was download-only, since they're unsigned?

Those aren't necessarily connected, and there certainly is a CD single of 
this song - the OCC have quoted the physical catalogue number. Of course, I 
don't really know how many CDs it sold.

>>> Robyn #17,
>>
>>Following up 'With Every Heartbeat' was always going to be a challenge, as
>>it wasn't very typical of her work.
>
> You mean her one previous top 10 hit nearly a decade ago?

And the other minor hits, and the remainder of this album.

>>>Alicia Keys #26,
>>
>>Out on CD on the 12th.
>
> Could be top 10.

Certainly could.

>>> Top 40 : Cliff Richard #38,
>>
>>Blame downloads if you like,
>
> Or his lack of them?

Of course - but the key point is that downloads account for more of other 
records' sales now, and therefore he's at more of a disadvantage than he was 
even last year.

>> blame the fact that the album has only five new
>>tracks on it, blame the time of year - either way this is his smallest hit
>>single since 1997.
>
> I guess even R2 snubbed him this time...

They did, but then contrary to stereotypes they don't normally play his 
singles much ('What Car' was rather an exception).

>>>Celine Dion #58
>>
>>A download-only single, which may be a sign of the times.
>
> A video has now appeared for it, but too late.

Dunno how much difference it would make anyway.

>>Nickelback have climbed into the Top 50 (is this figuring in the airplay
>>charts?)
>
> No.

So who the arse is buying it?

>> and as you may have seen, both Kanye West and Nicole Scheherazade
>
> Scherzinger.

I did realise that wasn't her real name. ;-)

>>have dropped from the 40.
>
> Unfortunately the former will surely be back next Sunday.

Assuming he doesn't get his physicals ruled out too.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Another veteran band reappears from nowhere to claim the #1 spot - The
>>> Eagles, with their first new material in several decades.
>>
>>Indeed, the Long Road of the title seems apt, not only because this is a
>>double-CD set running to 90 minutes even in its American version (do they
>>really think they're more than twice as good now as they were in the
>>seventies?) but because this, some 35 years since their first release and 
>>28
>>since their last new studio album, is their first set ever to top the UK
>>album chart.
>
> Or singles.

Well, they still haven't done that. But I doubt anyone's surprised.

>>> NE's (top 20) : Britney #2,

>>Even the more positive reviews suggest that she didn't have that much to 
>>do
>>with it.
>
> Presumably she must sing on it, occasionally... :)

Yes, but whether she knew is another question.

>>> Whitney Houston #5,
>>
>>The so-called Ultimate Collection, although Sony BMG are probably not
>>promising that this will be the last, and it's not an obvious improvement
>>over her Greatest Hits seven years ago.
>
> Has she even had any new hits since then?

Apart from a couple of duets that I think were from that compilation, she's 
had two: 'Heartbreak Hotel' [not that one] and 'Whatchulookinat', and 
amazingly ill-conceived attempt at a riposte to critics which couldn't even 
put its parent album into the Top 75. Neither of those made it to this album 
though.

>>>Daniel O'Donnell & Mary Duff #6,
>>
>>Apparently the highlight of this album is a cover version of 'Save Your
>>Love'. How bad can the rest of it be?
>
> Oh well, I doubt it'll hang around long.

Agreed.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Though her sales may slip down into 5 figures, there's no way anyone is
>>> going to get anywhere near Leona.
>>
>>I think this is probably right.
>
> You only 'think'? Why, what do you reckon might actually have a chance, 
> then?

I was just looking for an interesting way to phrase that.

>>> Top 10 : Spice Girls,
>>
>>Downloads only, of course, so they're at risk of their lowest-ever debut.
>
> Since that would presumably be #2, that's not saying much.

That'd be Number 4 actually, but yes.

>>> Kylie,
>>
>>I presume so, although she is pretty much untested on the download market.
>
> Not true - 'I Believe In You' spent 7 weeks in the download top 10, 
> peaking at #3.

I did say "pretty much untested" though, bearing in mind that the market has 
changed since that time.

>>> Top 30 : Wet Wet Wet,
>>
>>Their last comeback single went Top 20, but they don't seem to have a big
>>label behind them this time.
>
> Or any promo whatsoever, at least from what I've seen...

This is true, but IIRC the last one had even less direct promo, although 
they were on tour at the time.

>>> Top 40 : David Gray,
>>
>>I was about to say that his days as a big singles act were over. But
>>actually, they never really happened did they?
>
> What about babble-on? :)

He's had a couple of big singles, to be sure, but never consistenly enough 
be be classed as a big singles artist.

>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>Well, Nicole Schwarzwalderkirschtorte's single finally makes it to CD this
>>week,
>
> I don't have it listed - I thought it may have been cancelled?

I've seen copies today. The sleeve lists the album as out next week, but I 
think I've seen it said elsewhere that that's not the case.

>>Oh, and Duran Duran is out on downloads.
>
> Saw the video - presumably the tamer version.

Presumably.

> Song was surprisingly OK.

I thought it was even worse than their usual.

> I don't expect them to chart until full release though - but then may go 
> top 10.

How are you defining "chart" in this context?

>>> Albums
>>> ------

>>> Top 20 NE : McFly,
>>
>>> Jay-Z,
>>
>>An extremely soft launch, but he is a very big star.
>
> Plus rap albums are normally slow-but-steady sellers, rather than 
> front-loaded.

And as we've come across before, he's not actually that big in the UK.

>>> Dannii Minogue,
>>
>>I think this is a budget-priced album, which helps evade the question of 
>>how
>>much market there is for it.
>
> Does it contain her new single?

What new single?

>If so, it's pretty daft releasing the album a month before the single!

Anyway, this seems to be a compilation of outtakes and remixes from her 
former label.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>> She now looks certain to remain top until the Spice Girls charity single
>> gets its full release in 2 weeks time, even though the Spices album is
>> released the week before.
>
>Logical.

I expect Leona to sell around 90-100k this week & 60k the next.
>
>> Sales of Leona's single will be undercut from next Monday though, with the
>> release of the album.
>
>Yeah, but obviously that's going to affect most of the competitors.

I assume that should read 'that's not going...' otherwise it makes no 
sense?
>
>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>> --------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Westlife #3,
>>>
>>
>> Their probable 40k+ would normally have been sufficient for #1
>
>True, but the record label can hardly claim they didn't know the Leona
>record was coming out.

But I'm sure they never expected it to sell *that* much, though!

There's also Take That to consider, too.
>
>>>> Robyn #17,
>>>
>>>Following up 'With Every Heartbeat' was always going to be a challenge, as
>>>it wasn't very typical of her work.
>>
>> You mean her one previous top 10 hit nearly a decade ago?
>
>And the other minor hits, and the remainder of this album.

That should give her a hint as to what sort of music she should be 
looking to make.
>
>>>> Top 40 : Cliff Richard #38,
>>>
>>>Blame downloads if you like,
>>
>> Or his lack of them?
>
>Of course - but the key point is that downloads account for more of other
>records' sales now, and therefore he's at more of a disadvantage than he was
>even last year.

Talking about a lack of download sales, Westlife didn't even make the 
download top 40 this Sunday, despite being top 3 combined.

They have done OK on downloads before - 'You Raise Me Up' reached #2 for 
example, so I wonder if it is another glitch like the one that saw Oasis 
omitted from the chart last week?
>
>They did, but then contrary to stereotypes they don't normally play his
>singles much ('What Car' was rather an exception).

Does *anyone*?
>
>
>>> and as you may have seen, both Kanye West and Nicole Scheherazade
>>
>> Scherzinger.
>
>I did realise that wasn't her real name. ;-)
>
>>>have dropped from the 40.
>>
>> Unfortunately the former will surely be back next Sunday.
>
>Assuming he doesn't get his physicals ruled out too.

Why would he?

I did notice the Nicole's CD was in the shops yesterday, so she'll be 
back too.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>
>>>> Top 10 : Spice Girls,
>>>
>>>Downloads only, of course, so they're at risk of their lowest-ever debut.
>>
>> Since that would presumably be #2, that's not saying much.
>
>That'd be Number 4 actually, but yes.

Which one(s) *didn't* debut at #1 then (apart from 'Stop' obviously)?
>
>>>> Kylie,
>>>
>>>I presume so, although she is pretty much untested on the download market.
>>
>> Not true - 'I Believe In You' spent 7 weeks in the download top 10,
>> peaking at #3.
>
>I did say "pretty much untested" though, bearing in mind that the market has
>changed since that time.

Her fans cover a very wide age range though, so I see no reason why 
there would be fewer than normal downloaders.
>
>>>> Any other possibilities?
>
>>>Duran Duran
>
>> Song was surprisingly OK.
>
>I thought it was even worse than their usual.
>
>> I don't expect them to chart until full release though - but then may go
>> top 10.
>
>How are you defining "chart" in this context?

Top 40.
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>> Dannii Minogue,
>>>
>>>I think this is a budget-priced album, which helps evade the question of
>>>how
>>>much market there is for it.
>>
>> Does it contain her new single?
>
>What new single?

You gotta be kidding, right??

Dannii Minogue v Jason Nevins - Touch Me Like That, due out on 3rd Dec!
>
It's been pulled from Youtube, but can still be found here :

http://www.kovideo.net/music/video/Dannii-Minogue---Touch-Me-Like-That/2231.html
-- 
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Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>> Top 10 : Spice Girls,
>>>>
>>>> Downloads only, of course, so they're at risk of their lowest-ever 
>>>> debut.
>>>
>>> Since that would presumably be #2, that's not saying much.
>>
>> That'd be Number 4 actually, but yes.
> 
> Which one(s) *didn't* debut at #1 then (apart from 'Stop' obviously)?

Wannabe - which entered at #3, albeit on healthy sales of 83,000


-- 
Robbie

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Robbie  
wrote :
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>
>>>>>>Spice Girls

>>  Which one(s) *didn't* debut at #1 then (apart from 'Stop' 
>>obviously)?
>
>Wannabe - which entered at #3, albeit on healthy sales of 83,000
>
Must have been facing some *really* tough opposition to not have been an 
instant #1?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Robbie  
> wrote :
>>
>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>>>> Spice Girls
> 
>>>  Which one(s) *didn't* debut at #1 then (apart from 'Stop' obviously)?
>>
>> Wannabe - which entered at #3, albeit on healthy sales of 83,000
>>
> Must have been facing some *really* tough opposition to not have been an 
> instant #1?

I just checked - it was in fact 73,000 copies it sold in its first week, 
but even so, that's still a decent sale. Above it that week were Killing 
Me Softly by The Fugees down at #2 (the song which became the best 
seller of 1996, though Wannabe eventually outsold it in 1997) and in at 
#1 Forever Love by Gary Barlow, which sold 109,000 copies.

That said, back then the average sale for a #3 was probably about 60k to 
70k.

-- 
Robbie

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Robbie  
wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spice Girls
>>
>>>>  Which one(s) *didn't* debut at #1 then (apart from 'Stop' 
>>>>obviously)?
>>>
>>> Wannabe - which entered at #3, albeit on healthy sales of 83,000
>>>
>> Must have been facing some *really* tough opposition to not have been 
>>an  instant #1?
>
>I just checked - it was in fact 73,000 copies it sold in its first 
>week, but even so, that's still a decent sale. Above it that week were 
>Killing Me Softly by The Fugees down at #2 (the song which became the 
>best seller of 1996, though Wannabe eventually outsold it in 1997) and 
>in at #1 Forever Love by Gary Barlow, which sold 109,000 copies.

That makes it even stranger - no very tough competition at all.
>
>That said, back then the average sale for a #3 was probably about 60k 
>to 70k.
>
Back in 96/97 didn't records sell very fast, but not usually hang around 
long?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Robbie  
> wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spice Girls
>>>
>>>>>  Which one(s) *didn't* debut at #1 then (apart from 'Stop' obviously)?
>>>>
>>>> Wannabe - which entered at #3, albeit on healthy sales of 83,000
>>>>
>>> Must have been facing some *really* tough opposition to not have been 
>>> an  instant #1?
>>
>> I just checked - it was in fact 73,000 copies it sold in its first 
>> week, but even so, that's still a decent sale. Above it that week were 
>> Killing Me Softly by The Fugees down at #2 (the song which became the 
>> best seller of 1996, though Wannabe eventually outsold it in 1997) and 
>> in at #1 Forever Love by Gary Barlow, which sold 109,000 copies.
> 
> That makes it even stranger - no very tough competition at all.

well there was - from the two records above them! Gary Barlow was 
releasing his first solo single, which attracted more publicity than the 
Spice Girls and The Fugees had a million selling single that was falling 
from #1 (in fact it passed a million sales this very week).

>>
>> That said, back then the average sale for a #3 was probably about 60k 
>> to 70k.
>>
> Back in 96/97 didn't records sell very fast, but not usually hang around 
> long?

1995-97 was the start of the era of a high first week entry with massive 
sales then falling down the charts quite quickly.


-- 
Robbie

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
news:5pdjbcFqqv5tU1@mid.individual.net...

>
> 1995-97 was the start of the era of a high first week entry with massive 
> sales then falling down the charts quite quickly.

A trend that IMHO destroyed interest  following the charts for their own 
sake.

Thank goodness for downloads!
-- 
Col

Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Col  
wrote :
>
>"Robbie"  wrote in message
>news:5pdjbcFqqv5tU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>
>> 1995-97 was the start of the era of a high first week entry with massive
>> sales then falling down the charts quite quickly.

That Robbie's 'Angels' defied this trend presumably explains why it sold 
so many, despite only having two weeks in the top 5. I'm guessing it 
must have averaged over 50k/week while it was in the top 10?
>
>A trend that IMHO destroyed interest  following the charts for their own
>sake.

In the past, it has been the nature of the music, rather than that of 
the charts, that has caused my interest to wax & wane.
>
>Thank goodness for downloads!

It's certainly refreshed them, though they still aren't as unpredictable 
as they were in the early 80's.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Paul Hyett wrote:
> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 7 Nov 2007, Col  
> wrote :
>>
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message
>> news:5pdjbcFqqv5tU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>>
>>> 1995-97 was the start of the era of a high first week entry with massive
>>> sales then falling down the charts quite quickly.
> 
> That Robbie's 'Angels' defied this trend presumably explains why it sold 
> so many, despite only having two weeks in the top 5. I'm guessing it 
> must have averaged over 50k/week while it was in the top 10?

songs that hung around picked up big sales, not only Angels by a few 
months later How Do I Live which peaked at #7 but sold over 700,000 
copies - it was selling over 50,000 copies at its peak also.

>>
>> A trend that IMHO destroyed interest  following the charts for their own
>> sake.
> 
> In the past, it has been the nature of the music, rather than that of 
> the charts, that has caused my interest to wax & wane.
>>
>> Thank goodness for downloads!
> 
> It's certainly refreshed them, though they still aren't as unpredictable 
> as they were in the early 80's.


-- 
Robbie