Singles
-------
Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.

New Entries/Climbers
--------------------
Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse #3, Hoosiers #5
Top 20 : Elvis #12, Phil Collins #14, Mika #16
Top 30 : Freemasons #21, Aly & AJ #22, Akon #23, Samanda #26, Roisin 
Murphy #28, Biffy Clyro #29
Top 40 : Timbaland #32, Wombats #35, Kanye West #37

New outside the top 40 :

Full chart late being posted - will update later

Albums
------
The Sugababes easily complete the double.

NE's (top 20) : Eric Clapton #2, Jack Penate #7, Ali Campbell #9, Aled 
Jones #15

New outside the top 20 : Stevie Wonder #23, Leann Rimes #31, Alter 
Bridge #37

Full chart late being posted - will update later

Another new peak for Feist at #28

Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
The Sugababes lead should be enough to keep them top for a personal 
record 4th week. Their strongest challengers are likely to be 
Ronson/Winehouse & Britney.

Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse, Mika
Top 20 : Elvis, Orson
Top 30 : Shapeshifters
Top 40 : Amy McDonald, Common, Nine Black Alps, Wombats

Depending on download release : Avril Lavigne, Backstreet Boys, Leona 
Lewis, McFly, Mutya, Take That

Any other possibilities?

Albums
------
Can't look beyond the Stereophonics for #1.

Top 20 NE : Hives, J-Lo, REM

Others : Akon, Alison Moyet, Ed Harcourt, Hundred Reasons, Jools 
Holland, Keyshia Cole, Matchbox 20, Paul Anka, Roisin Murphy
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:7SRSvbyGbmEHFwAy@blueyonder.co.uk...
> Singles
> -------
> Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.

It's the only way to stop them getting stolen for the scrap value, nowadays. 
;-)

> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse #3,

Another milestone - now her highest-charting single.

> Hoosiers #5

Initially I misheard the title of this track and thought they were some sort 
of conceptual act whose songs were all about people called Ray.
Nothing so interesting, alas, but in few other respects does this differ 
from their previous hit. It's made a good start, although how well it will 
be remembered remains to be seen, I suspect.
If I wanted to be generous, I'd say that the first few seconds were quite 
effective in a twisted-fairground way: but actually, I don't want to.

> Top 20 : Elvis #12,

'A Big Hunk O'Love' was originally the last Elvis hit of the Fifties, which 
may explain why the cover is a photo of the then Sgt Presley in his uniform. 
For some reason we jump out of chronological sequence next week.
Must be a low-selling week if it gets so high.

> Phil Collins #14,

Highest chart position on this run, though obviously not ever. He didn't 
really see somebody drowning, you know.

> Top 30 : Freemasons #21,

Out on CD & 12" on the 22nd.

> Aly & AJ #22,

All that talk of 'Potential Breakthrough Song' hasn't entirely been borne 
out, then.

> Samanda #26,

By my count, only the third (and fourth, I guess) BB contestants to score a 
Top 40 hit - not counting people like Mark Owen and Preston, obviously.
Yet more twins, of course.

>Roisin Murphy #28,

First fully-fledged solo hit, after her hits with Boris Dlugosh and 
Psychedelic Waltons, as well as several as a member of Moloko.
There's a really good vocal performance here, but unfortunately the music 
(by Groove Armada's Andy Cato) sounds a bit too much like the theme from a 
TV show in about 1991.

>Biffy Clyro #29

Fourth physical single from the current album, which has already been their 
most successful singles-wise, even though this doesn't quite match the Top 
20 success of the previous ones.
I know this is all very heartfelt but it doesn't totally convince, 
especially with that rather obvious "tribute" to 'Born To Run'.

> Top 40 : Wombats #35,

Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s. All totally coincidental timing, obviously.

> New outside the top 40 :
>
> Full chart late being posted - will update later

Here's what I've got:

41: The Hives - There's a radio advert for this which features an 
old-fashioned voice saying "Out now on CD, 7" and download - whatever that 
is!" I know it's meant to be a pun on their forthcoming album title, but in 
a way it just seems to emphasise how long ago they first made an impact and 
how little they've moved on - it's five years since their most familiar hit 
'Hate To Say I Told You So', and that was already two years old.
As they say on the record, "I've done it before and now I do it some more".
42: Sex Pistols - Second of four Pistols singles re-issued on heavyweight 
vinyl with the original flipsides by EMI (oh the irony!) this month. I 
suspect it's had much the same physical sale that took 'Anarchy in the UK' 
to Number 70 last week, but it's had the benefit of a peculiar campaign on 
the part of the NME to rush it to the top of the charts this time. They've 
roped in various present-day pop stars like Slash, Klaxons and Mr 
I-Hate-Corporate-Music Ryan Jarman to tell us all how "important" this is.
This has sold a few downloads of the original and the 2002 remixes, although 
it's not been enough to outdo that 2002 position. And nor should it have 
been, frankly, because even if you do believe that there was a wrong to be 
righted, there's no way that the record sailing to the top of the charts 
three decades and change later (the actual Jubilee was in the summer, of 
course) can possibly solve it; indeed, if you've been dining out on the idea 
that your record was so dangerous that there was a big conspiracy to keep it 
from Number One, doesn't this imply an admission that it no longer means 
anything?
I was quite tempted to download 'I Don't Want To Talk About It'.
44: Dave Gahan - Lead single from the Depeche Mode vocalist's second solo 
album. Sadly for him I won't be breaking out the 'Just Can't Get Enough' 
puns anytime soon.
45: Chico - Apparently his own contribution to the the Size Zero debate, 
which I'm sure we've all been waiting for.
49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.
*55: Orson - Out tomorrow on CD & 7".
*57: Rihanna
70: Kenny Rogers - with 'The Gambler', which apparently is popular among 
rugby fans.
75: Gwen Stefani - I think this is digital only.
89: Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'; I presume these are downloads, although 
the OCC have listed this as a 12".
93: Underworld - Haven't actually heard this one, but at least it can't be 
their worst.
*95: Avril Lavigne
98: George Harrison - 'My Sweet Lord', available digitally for the first 
time.

> Albums
> ------
> The Sugababes easily complete the double.

Their fifth chart album of new material, an unprecedented attainment for a 
girl-group this century.
I've heard some of it, and it sounds the same as all their other stuff 
really.

> NE's (top 20) : Eric Clapton #2,

Complete Clapton (so many jokes, so little time) is obviously not literally 
titled (at only 36 tracks) but proclaims itself to be the first 
career-spanning best of on one album; I disagree as one of my Mum's first 
ever CD purchases was The Cream Of Eric Clapton (see what they did there?) 
which was as career-spanning up to the point of release as this is.
In any case, this seems to fall at the first hurdle as there's nothing from 
his time with the Yardbirds or Bluesbreakers. Coincidentally, I bought a 
best of Cream in a charity shop this week and even that wasn't as good as I 
remembered it.

>Jack Penate #7,

Debut set for the mockney indie lad who doesn't quite seem to work on 
record. Naturally, all three singles are included.

> Ali Campbell #9,

Apparently, UB40 man Ali Campbell recently saw an unexpected surge in sales 
of his autobiography due to people confusing him with New Labour man 
Alistair Campbell. Which makes no less sense than the press release 
promising "the unique voice and songwriting excellence of Mr Red Red Wine 
himself."
His second Top 10 solo album offers the usual blend of covers and originals, 
but with added guest stars including Lemar, Beverley Knight, Katie Melua, 
Mick Hucknall, Bitty McLean and - unbelievably - Smokey Robinson.

> Aled Jones #15

Celebrating 25 years of fame, Aled Jones returns with a slightly more AOR 
selection of covers, including Tim Hardin's title track and a duet with 
compatriot Cerys Matthews. He doesn't really know how to sing this sort of 
thing though.

> New outside the top 20 : Stevie Wonder #23,

Of course he's only had two credited UK Number Ones (which, unfortunately, 
are both here) and even in the US he hasn't quite managed 20 of them, so 
they've presumably had to pad this album out with tracks that topped the 
specialist charts.
There are some genuinely brilliant tracks on here, but since virtually all 
of this appeared on even the US version of his Definitive Collection five 
years ago, there can't be that big a market for this.

>Leann Rimes #31,

The first album to award her a writing credit on every song.
The good news is that there's no sign of Brian McFadden this time, but this 
does repeat her duet with Bon Jovi from their recent album. The UK bonus 
track is another duet with Reba McEntire - a logical choice, since the Reba 
album it comes from is unlikely to sell much in this country.

>Alter Bridge #37

Second album from the group who are, essentially, dirge-rockers Creed 
without lead singer Scott Stapp. Apparently their new frontman Myles Kennedy 
has moved them into a more metallic direction.

> Full chart late being posted - will update later

44: Colbie Caillat - Her dad produced two Fleetwood Mac albums, you know.
69: Beirut - Young, New Mexican but not a puppeteer to the best of my 
knowledge, Zach Condon moves slightly away from the Balkan influences of his 
previous album towards the sound of Paris circa 1900.
This is the sort of thing that broadsheet critics and bloggers become 
obsessed with but that tends to go unnoticed by the mainstream.
79: Jill Scott - Third instalment of her unimpressively titled Words & 
Sounds trilogy.
80: Revival (geddit?) is et another solo album from the veteran Southern 
rocker (although he's actually from California).
85: Robert Wyatt - About as high as this unique performer has ever got in 
the album chart. His first album for Domino and the follow-up to the 
Mercury-nominated Cuckooland, it's a work in three movements, one of them 
sung entirely in Spanish and Italian as a symbolic protest against the Iraq 
War.

> Another new peak for Feist at #28

I wonder whether iTunes have discounted the album?

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> The Sugababes lead should be enough to keep them top for a personal record 
> 4th week. Their strongest challengers are likely to be Ronson/Winehouse & 
> Britney.

So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?

> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse,

If this were Number 2 now, I'd have it down as a cert for the top. As it is 
I'm sort of 50/50.

>Mika

Certainly possible.

> Top 20 : Elvis,

Yeah - even with this week's Number 12 I don't think he'll break the 20.

>Orson

Potentially, although this is hardly going to go the way of 'No Tomorrow'.

> Top 30 : Shapeshifters

Are they really still going?

> Top 40 : Amy McDonald,

Less of the hype that surrounded her previous one, certainly.

>Common,

Probably about this level.

>Nine Black Alps,

The last one didn't. What's changed?

>Wombats

Already Top 40.

> Depending on download release : Avril Lavigne,

It obviously is out as a download, being months after tha album, but it's 
only just in the Top 100 now.

>Backstreet Boys,

I don't know whether it's out or not, let alone what sort of market there is 
for it.

>Leona Lewis,

A no, AFAIK - the date I have is the 21st.

> McFly,

Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.

>Mutya,

Much the same applies as to Av-Lav. Except the Top 100 bit.

>Take That

Definite yes. Top 10?

> Any other possibilities?

On physicals? Nothing very likely, although Serj Tankian might be an outside 
possibility.

> Albums
> ------
> Can't look beyond the Stereophonics for #1.

There might be a handful of acts who could beat them, but none with an album 
out this week.

> Top 20 NE : Hives,

I guess so, although it won't be a career-best.

>J-Lo,

Somewhere in that range.

>REM

Probably, although they've never released a live album (in an audio format) 
before so we can only make an educated guess as to the demand.

> Others : Akon,

Are these is alphabetical order?
BTW, this isn't a new album.

>Alison Moyet,

Her last two both went Top 20, although there's been less media interest 
this time.

>Ed Harcourt,

I haven't changed my mind much since last week.

>Hundred Reasons,

Deservedly or otherwise, they seem rather forgotten these days. The last one 
only got to 79.

>Jools Holland,

Plausible, on past form.

> Keyshia Cole, Matchbox 20,

I've put these together because they seem to have the same problem - nobody 
in this country has heard of them. The MB20 single flopped and I don't think 
Cole has even released one from this album.

>Paul Anka,

Also complicated - only one previous chart album, but that went Top 10.

>Roisin Murphy

Top 75, at least.

    Chris
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:58:27 +0100, Paul Hyett wrote
(in article ):

> Singles
> -------
> Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.
> 


And... 

Did anything at all happen with the ITLAPD single 'On A Pirate Ship' ?

Top 200 would have been good at least!

In uk.music.charts on Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Paul Hyett 
 wrote :
>Singles
>-------
>
>New outside the top 40 :
>
Sex Pistols #42, Dave Gahan #44, Chico #45, Killers #49, Orson #55, 
Rihanna #57, Kenny Rogers #70, Gwen Stefani #75
>
>Albums
>------
>
>New outside the top 20 : Stevie Wonder #23, Leann Rimes #31, Alter 
>Bridge #37

Colbie Caillat #44, Beirut #69

Also, I guess the OCC must have rumbled that website, since they didn't 
post the charts early this week - and not even Buzzjack had the full 
charts last night.
-- 
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In uk.music.charts on Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.
>
>It's the only way to stop them getting stolen for the scrap value, nowadays.
>;-)

Huh?
>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse #3,
>
>Another milestone - now her highest-charting single.

Technically though, it's Ronson's credit, not hers, since she is only 
the featured artist.
>
>> Hoosiers #5
>
>Nothing so interesting, alas, but in few other respects does this differ
>from their previous hit. It's made a good start

Given that this is a full-release position, it's not likely to do any 
better.
>
>> Top 20 : Elvis #12,
>
>'A Big Hunk O'Love' was originally the last Elvis hit of the Fifties, which
>may explain why the cover is a photo of the then Sgt Presley in his uniform.
>For some reason we jump out of chronological sequence next week.
>Must be a low-selling week if it gets so high.

Id never heard this one before, and was pleasantly surprised. It is what 
I call *real* rock'n'roll, rather than the slower stuff.
>
>> Top 30 : Freemasons #21,
>
>Out on CD & 12" on the 22nd.

Yet another release that'll suffer from a lower peak than justified by 
its sales, then.
>
>> Samanda #26,
>
>By my count, only the third (and fourth, I guess) BB contestants to score a
>Top 40 hit - not counting people like Mark Owen and Preston, obviously.
>Yet more twins, of course.
>
Since I never watch BB, it wasn't until Saturday that I found out who 
they were. I just assumed they were just two attractive girls who 
randomly decided to cover one of the most cheesy #1's ever.

>>Roisin Murphy #28,

>There's a really good vocal performance here, but unfortunately the music
>(by Groove Armada's Andy Cato) sounds a bit too much like the theme from a
>TV show in about 1991.

Which one?
>
>>Biffy Clyro #29
>
>Fourth physical single from the current album, which has already been their
>most successful singles-wise, even though this doesn't quite match the Top
>20 success of the previous ones.

Hardly surprising.
>
>> Top 40 : Wombats #35,
>
>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s. All totally coincidental timing, obviously.

Coincidental with what?
>
>> New outside the top 40 :
>>
>> Full chart late being posted - will update later
>
>Here's what I've got:
>
>42: Sex Pistols - Second of four Pistols singles re-issued on heavyweight
>vinyl with the original flipsides by EMI (oh the irony!) this month. I
>suspect it's had much the same physical sale that took 'Anarchy in the UK'
>to Number 70 last week, but it's had the benefit of a peculiar campaign on
>the part of the NME to rush it to the top of the charts this time.

Rather optimistic. :)

>44: Dave Gahan - Lead single from the Depeche Mode vocalist's second solo
>album. Sadly for him I won't be breaking out the 'Just Can't Get Enough'
>puns anytime soon.

Doesn't look good for the album, then.

>45: Chico - Apparently his own contribution to the the Size Zero debate,
>which I'm sure we've all been waiting for.

Thankfully, I've avoided hearing this one completely.

>49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.

Somewhere between 2.5 & 3k, I'd guess - but even so, probably not 
selling fast enough for a top 20 full-week place.

>*55: Orson - Out tomorrow on CD & 7".

I have it listed for the 22nd.

Either way, they still remain saddled with the 'lowest selling #1 ever' 
tag.

>*57: Rihanna

Charted in the lower reaches as an album cut, back in June.

>70: Kenny Rogers - with 'The Gambler', which apparently is popular among
>rugby fans.

I was surprised to see it hadn't charted before, according to Guinness.

>75: Gwen Stefani - I think this is digital only.

Quite possible, though it isn't specifically listed as such.

>89: Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'; I presume these are downloads, although
>the OCC have listed this as a 12".

His singles-charting days are over, though.

>93: Underworld - Haven't actually heard this one, but at least it can't be
>their worst.

Can't disagree there.

>*95: Avril Lavigne

Full release on the 22nd.

>98: George Harrison - 'My Sweet Lord', available digitally for the first
>time.

In a word... 'Yawn'.
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> The Sugababes easily complete the double.
>
>Their fifth chart album of new material, an unprecedented attainment for a
>girl-group this century.

BTW, how do you categorise a GH album with several new tracks, in this 
context?

>I've heard some of it, and it sounds the same as all their other stuff
>really.

They know what we like...
>
>> NE's (top 20) : Eric Clapton #2,
>
>Complete Clapton (so many jokes, so little time) is obviously not literally
>titled (at only 36 tracks) but proclaims itself to be the first
>career-spanning best of on one album; I disagree as one of my Mum's first
>ever CD purchases was The Cream Of Eric Clapton (see what they did there?)
>which was as career-spanning up to the point of release as this is.

Even so, #2 is surprisingly high.

Katie managed to only slip one place, which was better than I feared.
>
>>Jack Penate #7,
>
>Debut set for the mockney indie lad who doesn't quite seem to work on
>record. Naturally, all three singles are included.

Mockney?
>
>> Ali Campbell #9,
>
>Apparently, UB40 man Ali Campbell recently saw an unexpected surge in sales
>of his autobiography due to people confusing him with New Labour man
>Alistair Campbell.

I don't think that would apply to record sales though, as a spin doctor 
is the last person people would want to hear more from. :)

>Which makes no less sense than the press release
>promising "the unique voice and songwriting excellence of Mr Red Red Wine
>himself."

I can't imagine anything less likely to make me want to buy it.

>His second Top 10 solo album offers the usual blend of covers and originals,
>but with added guest stars including Lemar, Beverley Knight, Katie Melua

OK, so it might contain *one* tolerable track...
>
>> Aled Jones #15
>
>Celebrating 25 years of fame, Aled Jones returns with a slightly more AOR

'Slightly' presumably because there wasn't much more AOR left to go. :)
>
>>Leann Rimes #31,
>
>The first album to award her a writing credit on every song.

Unfortunately a few years too late.
>
>44: Colbie Caillat - Her dad produced two Fleetwood Mac albums, you know.

I guess this benefited significantly from the Saturday MOR shoppers.
>
>> Another new peak for Feist at #28
>
>I wonder whether iTunes have discounted the album?

It'd have to be a lot - there are much bigger savings for downloading 
individual tracks, than whole albums.
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> The Sugababes lead should be enough to keep them top for a personal record
>> 4th week. Their strongest challengers are likely to be Ronson/Winehouse &
>> Britney.
>
>So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?

I wouldn't be totally surprised even if she were #1.
>
>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse,
>
>If this were Number 2 now, I'd have it down as a cert for the top. As it is
>I'm sort of 50/50.

Still *well* behind the Sugababes though - as of midweek they were 
selling only 2 copies for every 5 the 'Babes shifted.

Given that it's the 3rd from his album, I don't see a big enough surge 
in physical sales to close that large a gap.
>
>>Mika
>
>Certainly possible.

It's the last thing I want, so by sod's law, it is a dead certainty...
>
>> Top 20 : Elvis,
>
>Yeah - even with this week's Number 12 I don't think he'll break the 20.

I think you meant 10.
>
>> Top 30 : Shapeshifters
>
>Are they really still going?

Obviously.
>
>>Nine Black Alps,
>
>The last one didn't. What's changed?

Nothing - I just check the release list for names I know - and if I find 
one, I'll often pick it on that basis alone.
>
>>Wombats
>
>Already Top 40.

But not when I wrote my prediction...
>
>> Depending on download release : Avril Lavigne,
>
>It obviously is out as a download, being months after tha album, but it's
>only just in the Top 100 now.

Top 20 on full release, surely.
>
>>Backstreet Boys,
>
>I don't know whether it's out or not, let alone what sort of market there is
>for it.

Well, Take That did rather well on come-back.
>
>>Leona Lewis,
>
>A no, AFAIK - the date I have is the 21st.

OK.
>
>> McFly,
>
>Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.

Or too few people bought it - they aren't big download-sellers 
generally.
>
>>Take That
>
>Definite yes. Top 10?

Top 5 easily, I'd say.
>
>> Any other possibilities?
>
>On physicals? Nothing very likely, although Serj Tankian might be an outside
>possibility.

Who?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Can't look beyond the Stereophonics for #1.
>
>There might be a handful of acts who could beat them
>, but none with an album
>out this week.

Timing your release is everything in the Autumn market.
>
>>J-Lo,
>
>Somewhere in that range.

I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>
>
>> Others : Akon,
>
>Are these is alphabetical order?

Of course - since the new release schedule is.

>BTW, this isn't a new album.

That's why I didn't say top 10.
>
>>Paul Anka,
>
>Also complicated - only one previous chart album, but that went Top 10.

No doubt he had many in his heyday that missed out on the shortened 
chart that existed at the time.
-- 
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In uk.music.charts on Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Gary  
wrote :
>On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:58:27 +0100, Paul Hyett wrote
>(in article ):
>
>> Singles
>> -------
>
>Did anything at all happen with the ITLAPD single 'On A Pirate Ship' ?
>
>Top 200 would have been good at least!

No sign of it in the top 200, which means fewer than 500ish sales.
-- 
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:27:35 +0100, Paul Hyett wrote
(in article ):

> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Gary  
> wrote :
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:58:27 +0100, Paul Hyett wrote
>> (in article ):
>> 
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>> 
>> Did anything at all happen with the ITLAPD single 'On A Pirate Ship' ?
>> 
>> Top 200 would have been good at least!
> 
> No sign of it in the top 200, which means fewer than 500ish sales.
> 

Yar. Well, there be always next year. Be puttin' the date in yer diaries so 
yee's not be missin' it... Yarrr!

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> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.
>>
>>It's the only way to stop them getting stolen for the scrap value, 
>>nowadays.
>>;-)
>
> Huh?

A pun: "lead" as in distance and "lead" as in cable.

>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse #3,
>>
>>Another milestone - now her highest-charting single.
>
> Technically though, it's Ronson's credit, not hers, since she is only the 
> featured artist.

True, but it remains the biggest hit single she's ever contributed to.

>>> Hoosiers #5
>>
>>Nothing so interesting, alas, but in few other respects does this differ
>>from their previous hit. It's made a good start
>
> Given that this is a full-release position, it's not likely to do any 
> better.

Of course - but some records go 5-5-6-7-6-8-10.... and some go 5-22-47-73.

>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12,
>>
>>'A Big Hunk O'Love' was originally the last Elvis hit of the Fifties, 
>>which
>>may explain why the cover is a photo of the then Sgt Presley in his 
>>uniform.
>>For some reason we jump out of chronological sequence next week.
>>Must be a low-selling week if it gets so high.
>
> Id never heard this one before, and was pleasantly surprised. It is what I 
> call *real* rock'n'roll, rather than the slower stuff.

It's not the best lyric he ever sang, but considering the circumstances it 
is a good performance.

>>> Top 30 : Freemasons #21,
>>
>>Out on CD & 12" on the 22nd.
>
> Yet another release that'll suffer from a lower peak than justified by its 
> sales, then.

Well, people are buying it, and it's in the charts.

>>> Samanda #26,
>>
>>By my count, only the third (and fourth, I guess) BB contestants to score 
>>a
>>Top 40 hit - not counting people like Mark Owen and Preston, obviously.
>>Yet more twins, of course.
>>
> Since I never watch BB, it wasn't until Saturday that I found out who they 
> were.

I had heard of them.

> I just assumed they were just two attractive girls who randomly decided to 
> cover one of the most cheesy #1's ever.

I notice that the front cover says "Samanda (The Twins)" which probably 
tells you about the intellectual level they're going for here.

>>>Roisin Murphy #28,
>
>>There's a really good vocal performance here, but unfortunately the music
>>(by Groove Armada's Andy Cato) sounds a bit too much like the theme from a
>>TV show in about 1991.
>
> Which one?

I didn't actually have a specific one in mind... what about the Clothes 
Show?

>>>Biffy Clyro #29
>>
>>Fourth physical single from the current album, which has already been 
>>their
>>most successful singles-wise, even though this doesn't quite match the Top
>>20 success of the previous ones.
>
> Hardly surprising.

No, but then I didn't say it was.

>>> Top 40 : Wombats #35,
>>
>>Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s. All totally coincidental timing, obviously.
>
> Coincidental with what?

The fact that a film about Joy Division opened in cinemas three days before 
this was released on download.

>>> New outside the top 40 :
>>>
>>> Full chart late being posted - will update later
>>
>>Here's what I've got:
>>
>>42: Sex Pistols - Second of four Pistols singles re-issued on heavyweight
>>vinyl with the original flipsides by EMI (oh the irony!) this month. I
>>suspect it's had much the same physical sale that took 'Anarchy in the UK'
>>to Number 70 last week, but it's had the benefit of a peculiar campaign on
>>the part of the NME to rush it to the top of the charts this time.
>
> Rather optimistic. :)

Perhaps "benefit" is too strong a word, but this obviously is why it's 
Number 42 and not Number 70.

>>44: Dave Gahan - Lead single from the Depeche Mode vocalist's second solo
>>album. Sadly for him I won't be breaking out the 'Just Can't Get Enough'
>>puns anytime soon.
>
> Doesn't look good for the album, then.

Probably not, although the discrepancy between the chart position of this 
and his 2003 singles is at least partly going to be the result of higher 
overall sales.

>>45: Chico - Apparently his own contribution to the the Size Zero debate,
>>which I'm sure we've all been waiting for.
>
> Thankfully, I've avoided hearing this one completely.

He likes Beyonce apparently.

>>49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.
>
> Somewhere between 2.5 & 3k, I'd guess - but even so, probably not selling 
> fast enough for a top 20 full-week place.

Probably not, although of course something like 'When You Were Young' had 
weeks of pre-release radio play, and this had about three hours of it.

>>*55: Orson - Out tomorrow on CD & 7".
>
> I have it listed for the 22nd.

It's in shops now.

> Either way, they still remain saddled with the 'lowest selling #1 ever' 
> tag.

Which isn't entirely fair, in that their week at 1 was not even that track's 
biggest-selling week.
But then again, it's not really fair that this record gets inflicted on us 
as if it's the return of one of the world's greatest acts, rather than a 
band who had one big hit, one fair-sized one and a couple of turkeys.

>>*57: Rihanna
>
> Charted in the lower reaches as an album cut, back in June.

I saw it was listed as a re-entry, but this is a Top 75 debut isn't it?

>>70: Kenny Rogers - with 'The Gambler', which apparently is popular among
>>rugby fans.
>
> I was surprised to see it hadn't charted before, according to Guinness.

Apparently it got to 85 on initial release, although of course that's not an 
official position.

>>75: Gwen Stefani - I think this is digital only.
>
> Quite possible, though it isn't specifically listed as such.

HMV have an Import CDs listed.

>>89: Stevie Wonder - 'Superstition'; I presume these are downloads, 
>>although
>>the OCC have listed this as a 12".
>
> His singles-charting days are over, though.

I bet you thought that about Phil Collins too!
Anyway, Stevie did have a Top 20 single two years ago.

>>93: Underworld - Haven't actually heard this one, but at least it can't be
>>their worst.
>
> Can't disagree there.

I had 'Two Months Off' in mind.

>>98: George Harrison - 'My Sweet Lord', available digitally for the first
>>time.
>
> In a word... 'Yawn'.

Not his best work, I admit, but demonstrably his most popular solo song.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> The Sugababes easily complete the double.
>>
>>Their fifth chart album of new material, an unprecedented attainment for a
>>girl-group this century.
>
> BTW, how do you categorise a GH album with several new tracks, in this 
> context?

It's their claim, not mine. But I'd exclude them unless the new material was 
a majority, at least.

>>I've heard some of it, and it sounds the same as all their other stuff
>>really.
>
> They know what we like...

Or don't, as the case may be.

>>> NE's (top 20) : Eric Clapton #2,
>>
>>Complete Clapton (so many jokes, so little time) is obviously not 
>>literally
>>titled (at only 36 tracks) but proclaims itself to be the first
>>career-spanning best of on one album; I disagree as one of my Mum's first
>>ever CD purchases was The Cream Of Eric Clapton (see what they did there?)
>>which was as career-spanning up to the point of release as this is.
>
> Even so, #2 is surprisingly high.

I guess not many people want to sit through his last few decades of albums 
in their entirety.

>>>Jack Penate #7,
>>
>>Debut set for the mockney indie lad who doesn't quite seem to work on
>>record. Naturally, all three singles are included.
>
> Mockney?

Supposedly an abbreviation for "media Cockney".

>>> Ali Campbell #9,
>>
>>Apparently, UB40 man Ali Campbell recently saw an unexpected surge in 
>>sales
>>of his autobiography due to people confusing him with New Labour man
>>Alistair Campbell.
>
> I don't think that would apply to record sales though, as a spin doctor is 
> the last person people would want to hear more from. :)

Although the ginger one from UB40 can't be far behind, you'd think.

>>Which makes no less sense than the press release
>>promising "the unique voice and songwriting excellence of Mr Red Red Wine
>>himself."
>
> I can't imagine anything less likely to make me want to >buy it.

Not the best advert for his songwriting ability, is it?

>>His second Top 10 solo album offers the usual blend of covers and 
>>originals,
>>but with added guest stars including Lemar, Beverley Knight, Katie Melua
>
> OK, so it might contain *one* tolerable track...

Surely she's not old enough to remember when UB40 were good.

>>> Aled Jones #15
>>
>>Celebrating 25 years of fame, Aled Jones returns with a slightly more AOR
>
> 'Slightly' presumably because there wasn't much more AOR left to go. :)

Well, I mean that he's moved from classical (at least, classical crossover) 
repertoire into songs that would traditionally be considered "pop". But he's 
not singing Metallica songs or anything.

>>> Another new peak for Feist at #28
>>
>>I wonder whether iTunes have discounted the album?
>
> It'd have to be a lot - there are much bigger savings for downloading 
> individual tracks, than whole albums.

Well, in the sense that it's obviously cheaper to buy one track if that's 
all you want, yes, but pro-rata the album is often cheaper than the sum of 
its tracks.
Anyway, the physical album has been widely discounted.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> The Sugababes lead should be enough to keep them top for a personal 
>>> record
>>> 4th week. Their strongest challengers are likely to be Ronson/Winehouse 
>>> &
>>> Britney.
>>
>>So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?
>
> I wouldn't be totally surprised even if she were #1.

Er, wouldn't the record have to be, y'know, released first?

>>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse,
>>
>>If this were Number 2 now, I'd have it down as a cert for the top. As it 
>>is
>>I'm sort of 50/50.
>
> Still *well* behind the Sugababes though - as of midweek they were selling 
> only 2 copies for every 5 the 'Babes shifted.

True (although I've not seen the final figures) but of course the 'Babes 
were selling on CD & 7" as well as download.

> Given that it's the 3rd from his album, I don't see a big enough surge in 
> physical sales to close that large a gap.

I'd expect that to be a bit less of a factor than normal, though, bearing in 
mind the nature of this album.

>>>Mika
>>
>>Certainly possible.
>
> It's the last thing I want, so by sod's law, it is a dead certainty...

Actually, I'd forgotten it was out on physicals today. That makes it more 
than possible.

>>> Top 20 : Elvis,
>>
>>Yeah - even with this week's Number 12 I don't think he'll break the 20.
>
> I think you meant 10.

I did indeed.

>>> Top 30 : Shapeshifters
>>
>>Are they really still going?
>
> Obviously.

Like Elvis you mean?

>>>Nine Black Alps,
>>
>>The last one didn't. What's changed?
>
> Nothing - I just check the release list for names I know - and if I find 
> one, I'll often pick it on that basis alone.

I reckon you're one of about five people who remember them, and the other 
four are in the band.

>>>Wombats
>>
>>Already Top 40.
>
> But not when I wrote my prediction...

No, but you could have changed it.

>>> Depending on download release : Avril Lavigne,
>>
>>It obviously is out as a download, being months after tha album, but it's
>>only just in the Top 100 now.
>
> Top 20 on full release, surely.

Yeah, but that hasn't happened yet.

>>>Backstreet Boys,
>>
>>I don't know whether it's out or not, let alone what sort of market there 
>>is
>>for it.
>
> Well, Take That did rather well on come-back.

They did, but:

a) They were bigger than the BSBs first time round (in the UK)
b) They actually split up, so that their return was noteworthy.
c) They went on a long and hugely successful nationwide tour to establish an 
audience before releasing new material.
d) The key point - 'Patience' was an inescapably massive radio hit with a 
huge media profile before release. I couldn't even tell you what this was 
called without looking it up.


>>> McFly,
>>
>>Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.
>
> Or too few people bought it - they aren't big download-sellers generally.

But you only need a few hundred sales to reach the iTunes Top 100. 
Apparently the official date has been postponed to the 21st.

>>> Any other possibilities?
>>
>>On physicals? Nothing very likely, although Serj Tankian might be an 
>>outside
>>possibility.
>
> Who?

Why do you think he's only an outside possibility?

Seriously, he's one of System Of A Down.

On an different tip, Woolworth's have Journey South in their physical Top 
10, but I've seen no other sign that the record even exists. Make of that 
what you will.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>
>>>J-Lo,
>>
>>Somewhere in that range.
>
> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.

That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!

>>> Others : Akon,
>>
>>Are these is alphabetical order?
>
> Of course - since the new release schedule is.
>
>>BTW, this isn't a new album.
>
> That's why I didn't say top 10.

I just didn't think you normally bothered with re-issued albums.

>>>Paul Anka,
>>
>>Also complicated - only one previous chart album, but that went Top 10.
>
> No doubt he had many in his heyday that missed out on the shortened chart 
> that existed at the time.

Probably, although there was always (post-1956) a Top 10, wasn't there?

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.
>>>
>>>It's the only way to stop them getting stolen for the scrap value,
>>>nowadays.
>>>;-)
>>
>> Huh?
>
>A pun: "lead" as in distance and "lead" as in cable.

Oh right.

Don't give up the day job, unless you are already a stand-up comedian, 
of course... :)
>
>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>> --------------------
>>>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse #3,
>>>
>>>Another milestone - now her highest-charting single.
>>
>> Technically though, it's Ronson's credit, not hers, since she is only the
>> featured artist.
>
>True, but it remains the biggest hit single she's ever contributed to.

But that's like saying Dido has had 2 #1's because of 'Stan' & the Band 
Aid 20 single...
>
>>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12,
>>>
>>>'A Big Hunk O'Love'
>>
>> Id never heard this one before, and was pleasantly surprised. It is what I
>> call *real* rock'n'roll, rather than the slower stuff.
>
>It's not the best lyric he ever sang, but considering the circumstances

Which ones?

> it
>is a good performance.
>
>>>> Samanda #26,
>>>
>> Since I never watch BB, it wasn't until Saturday that I found out who they
>> were.
>
>I had heard of them.
>
>> I just assumed they were just two attractive girls who randomly decided to
>> cover one of the most cheesy #1's ever.
>
>I notice that the front cover says "Samanda (The Twins)" which probably
>tells you about the intellectual level they're going for here.

I just hope it doesn't hang around!
>
>>>> New outside the top 40 :
>
>>>45: Chico - Apparently his own contribution to the the Size Zero debate,
>>>which I'm sure we've all been waiting for.
>>
>> Thankfully, I've avoided hearing this one completely.
>
>He likes Beyonce apparently.

So do I, but at least I know not to inflict a cheesy record about her on 
the world. :)
>
>>>49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.
>>
>> Somewhere between 2.5 & 3k, I'd guess - but even so, probably not selling
>> fast enough for a top 20 full-week place.
>
>Probably not, although of course something like 'When You Were Young' had
>weeks of pre-release radio play, and this had about three hours of it.

But pre-release play is far less important for acts like the Killers, 
since their core fans will buy it regardless.
>
>>>*55: Orson - Out tomorrow on CD & 7".
>>
>> I have it listed for the 22nd.
>
>It's in shops now.

I doubt it'll do big things, though.
>
>> Either way, they still remain saddled with the 'lowest selling #1 ever'
>> tag.
>
>Which isn't entirely fair, in that their week at 1 was not even that track's
>biggest-selling week.

IIRC they had several weeks where they sold more.
>
>>>*57: Rihanna
>>
>> Charted in the lower reaches as an album cut, back in June.
>
>I saw it was listed as a re-entry, but this is a Top 75 debut isn't it?

Yes.
>
>>>93: Underworld - Haven't actually heard this one, but at least it can't be
>>>their worst.
>>
>> Can't disagree there.
>
>I had 'Two Months Off' in mind.

I was thinking of "Born 'Shitty'"
>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>
>>>> Ali Campbell #9,
>
>>>His second Top 10 solo album offers the usual blend of covers and
>>>originals,
>>>but with added guest stars including Lemar, Beverley Knight, Katie Melua
>>
>> OK, so it might contain *one* tolerable track...
>
>Surely she's not old enough to remember when UB40 were good.

Is *anyone*? :)
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>
>>>So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?
>>
>> I wouldn't be totally surprised even if she were #1.
>
>Er, wouldn't the record have to be, y'know, released first?

Tell that to Gnarls Barkley, or Mika, or Rihanna, or Sugababes...

AIUI, it came out to download yesterday, and on CD next Monday.
>
>>>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse,
>>>
>>>If this were Number 2 now, I'd have it down as a cert for the top. As it
>>>is
>>>I'm sort of 50/50.
>>
>> Still *well* behind the Sugababes though - as of midweek they were selling
>> only 2 copies for every 5 the 'Babes shifted.
>
>True (although I've not seen the final figures)

Sugababes 48715
Fedde     19752
MR/AW     18918

> but of course the 'Babes
>were selling on CD & 7" as well as download.

Even without that, they would have been way ahead.
>
>> Given that it's the 3rd from his album, I don't see a big enough surge in
>> physical sales to close that large a gap.
>
>I'd expect that to be a bit less of a factor than normal, though, bearing in
>mind the nature of this album.

I don't see how that follows?

The Sugababes will probably still be selling close to 40k this week, and 
it's extremely unlikely that Ronson will double his sales due to CD 
release. Recently, the average benefit from CD release has only been 
about 50%.
>
>>>> Top 20 : Elvis,
>>>
>>>Yeah - even with this week's Number 12

He actually sold 80 copies fewer than when he was #15 the previous 
week...
>
>>>>Wombats
>>>
>>>Already Top 40.
>>
>> But not when I wrote my prediction...
>
>No, but you could have changed it.

I only usually revise the current-week part of my commentary.
>
>>>> McFly,
>>>
>>>Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.
>>
>> Or too few people bought it - they aren't big download-sellers generally.
>
>But you only need a few hundred sales to reach the iTunes Top 100.
>Apparently the official date has been postponed to the 21st.

Makes sense, given they *have* to concentrate their sales as much as 
possible - remember last time when they slipped from 1 to 20. :)
>
>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>
>>>On physicals? Nothing very likely, although Serj Tankian might be an
>>>outside
>>>possibility.
>>
>> Who?
>
>Why do you think he's only an outside possibility?
>
>Seriously, he's one of System Of A Down.

But they were never very big, so there should be much of a fanbase 
carry-over.
>
>On an different tip, Woolworth's have Journey South in their physical Top
>10, but I've seen no other sign that the record even exists. Make of that
>what you will.

Now this I *do* know about : from the new release schedule -

Journey South – That's What I Love About Home [Only available from 
Woolworths]

Not that it would have gone top 40 even with full availability...

>
>>>> Albums
>>>> ------
>>>
>>>>J-Lo,
>>
>> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>
>That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!

Because they were catchy R&B/pop?
>
>>>> Others : Akon,
>>>
>>>Are these is alphabetical order?
>>
>> Of course - since the new release schedule is.
>>
>>>BTW, this isn't a new album.
>>
>> That's why I didn't say top 10.
>
>I just didn't think you normally bothered with re-issued albums.

Only because they don't usually threaten to re-enter the upper regions 
of the chart.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:0viBQXGPXGFHFwLF@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 15 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>> Sugababes still hold onto a massive lead.
>>>>
>>>>It's the only way to stop them getting stolen for the scrap value,
>>>>nowadays.
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>>A pun: "lead" as in distance and "lead" as in cable.
>
> Oh right.
>
> Don't give up the day job, unless you are already a stand-up comedian, of 
> course... :)

If I was and I could only get jobs during the day, I probably should anyway.

>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>> --------------------
>>>>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse #3,
>>>>
>>>>Another milestone - now her highest-charting single.
>>>
>>> Technically though, it's Ronson's credit, not hers, since she is only 
>>> the
>>> featured artist.
>>
>>True, but it remains the biggest hit single she's ever contributed to.
>
> But that's like saying Dido has had 2 #1's because of 'Stan' & the Band 
> Aid 20 single...

Well, that's about the only way I'll ever get to claim a Number One single 
for Turin Brakes, so why not. ;-)

Seriously, I don't have a problem with calling 'Stan' her highest-charting 
single, even if I'd make the distinction from her other recordings.

>>>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12,
>>>>
>>>>'A Big Hunk O'Love'
>>>
>>> Id never heard this one before, and was pleasantly surprised. It is what 
>>> I
>>> call *real* rock'n'roll, rather than the slower stuff.
>>
>>It's not the best lyric he ever sang, but considering the circumstances
>
> Which ones?

It was one of several tracks recorded in a rush before he joined the Army so 
they could be trickled out in his absence and this ensure that he remained 
in the public eye.

>> it
>>is a good performance.
>>
>>>>> Samanda #26,
>>>>
>>> Since I never watch BB, it wasn't until Saturday that I found out who 
>>> they
>>> were.
>>
>>I had heard of them.
>>
>
> I just hope it doesn't hang around!

From this start, I think you're safe.

>>>>> New outside the top 40 :
>>
>>>>45: Chico - Apparently his own contribution to the the Size Zero debate,
>>>>which I'm sure we've all been waiting for.
>>>
>>> Thankfully, I've avoided hearing this one completely.
>>
>>He likes Beyonce apparently.
>
> So do I, but at least I know not to inflict a cheesy record about her on 
> the world. :)

Possibly the most disturbing thing is that she's his idea of a large woman.

>>>>49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.
>>>
>>> Somewhere between 2.5 & 3k, I'd guess - but even so, probably not 
>>> selling
>>> fast enough for a top 20 full-week place.
>>
>>Probably not, although of course something like 'When You Were Young' had
>>weeks of pre-release radio play, and this had about three hours of it.
>
> But pre-release play is far less important for acts like the Killers, 
> since their core fans will buy it regardless.

Isn't that true of any act who've been around more than five minutes though? 
There's got to be a difference between 'When You Were Young' getting to 
Number 2 and 'For Reasons Unknown' missing the Top 50, and part of that is 
people beyond the core buying it.

>>>>*55: Orson - Out tomorrow on CD & 7".
>>>
>>> I have it listed for the 22nd.
>>
>>It's in shops now.
>
> I doubt it'll do big things, though.

I think it'll be a hit in the short term, even if it's not what people end 
up remembering them for. It may not even match up to 'Bright Idea' though.

>>> Either way, they still remain saddled with the 'lowest selling #1 ever'
>>> tag.
>>
>>Which isn't entirely fair, in that their week at 1 was not even that 
>>track's
>>biggest-selling week.
>
> IIRC they had several weeks where they sold more.

Yeah - the physical weeks before it was at the top and at least a couple 
more after it was. I did lose count eventually though.

>>>>93: Underworld - Haven't actually heard this one, but at least it can't 
>>>>be
>>>>their worst.
>>>
>>> Can't disagree there.
>>
>>I had 'Two Months Off' in mind.
>
> I was thinking of "Born 'Shitty'"

I wasn't because I actually like that one now, although there was certainly 
a period of about three years when it was impossible to have any positive 
feelings about it. At the the very least, it has a structure and goes 
somewhere lyrically - which is better than a bloke going "Youbringlightin, 
youbringlightin" over and over again.


>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>>So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be totally surprised even if she were #1.
>>
>>Er, wouldn't the record have to be, y'know, released first?
>
> Tell that to Gnarls Barkley, or Mika, or Rihanna, or Sugababes...

Are you telling me that none of those was surprising?

> AIUI, it came out to download yesterday, and on CD next Monday.

I admit I didn't know last night that it had come out on download. Unless it 
didn't until today, I suppose. You could have said that when you made the 
prediction, you know.

>>>>> Top 10 : Ronson/Winehouse,
>>>>
>>>>If this were Number 2 now, I'd have it down as a cert for the top. As it
>>>>is
>>>>I'm sort of 50/50.
>>>
>>> Still *well* behind the Sugababes though - as of midweek they were 
>>> selling
>>> only 2 copies for every 5 the 'Babes shifted.
>>
>>True (although I've not seen the final figures)
>
> Sugababes 48715
> Fedde     19752
> MR/AW     18918

Thanks.

>> but of course the 'Babes
>>were selling on CD & 7" as well as download.
>
> Even without that, they would have been way ahead.

So I see.

>>> Given that it's the 3rd from his album, I don't see a big enough surge 
>>> in
>>> physical sales to close that large a gap.
>>
>>I'd expect that to be a bit less of a factor than normal, though, bearing 
>>in
>>mind the nature of this album.
>
> I don't see how that follows?

Because it's his productions of songs written and sung by various other 
people, so you'll get a higher than average incidence of people who are only 
interested in one or two tracks on it. Ergo, coming out after the album 
won't be a brake on singles sales to the same degree as it is with some 
albums.

> The Sugababes will probably still be selling close to 40k this week, and 
> it's extremely unlikely that Ronson will double his sales due to CD 
> release. Recently, the average benefit from CD release has only been about 
> 50%.

Yeah, but I didn't say he would double them, did I?

>>>>> Top 20 : Elvis,
>>>>
>>>>Yeah - even with this week's Number 12
>
> He actually sold 80 copies fewer than when he was #15 the previous week...

Which doesn't surprise me in the least.

>>>>>Wombats
>>>>
>>>>Already Top 40.
>>>
>>> But not when I wrote my prediction...
>>
>>No, but you could have changed it.
>
> I only usually revise the current-week part of my commentary.

Possibly not an ideal strategy, then.

>>>>> McFly,
>>>>
>>>>Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.
>>>
>>> Or too few people bought it - they aren't big download-sellers 
>>> generally.
>>
>>But you only need a few hundred sales to reach the iTunes Top 100.
>>Apparently the official date has been postponed to the 21st.
>
> Makes sense, given they *have* to concentrate their sales as much as 
> possible - remember last time when they slipped from 1 to 20. :)

Indeed. I think we were all quite surprised when they announced otherwise.
Mind you, that was only the one-track download (presumably the album 
version): the live downloads and digital bundle were always scheduled for 
the 22nd.

>>>>> Any other possibilities?
>>>>
>>>>On physicals? Nothing very likely, although Serj Tankian might be an
>>>>outside
>>>>possibility.
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>>Why do you think he's only an outside possibility?
>>
>>Seriously, he's one of System Of A Down.
>
> But they were never very big, so there should be much of a fanbase 
> carry-over.

Should be or shouldn't?

>>On an different tip, Woolworth's have Journey South in their physical Top
>>10, but I've seen no other sign that the record even exists. Make of that
>>what you will.
>
> Now this I *do* know about : from the new release schedule -
>
> Journey South - That's What I Love About Home [Only available from 
> Woolworths]

You know, exclusivity is a better deal if it's something people actually 
want to buy.

> Not that it would have gone top 40 even with full availability...

Especially as it's not available as a download, even from Woolworths.

>>>>> Albums
>>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>>>J-Lo,
>>>
>>> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>>
>>That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!
>
> Because they were catchy R&B/pop?

You say catchy, but how many can you really remember?

>>>>> Others : Akon,
>>>>
>>>>Are these is alphabetical order?
>>>
>>> Of course - since the new release schedule is.
>>>
>>>>BTW, this isn't a new album.
>>>
>>> That's why I didn't say top 10.
>>
>>I just didn't think you normally bothered with re-issued albums.
>
> Only because they don't usually threaten to re-enter the upper regions of 
> the chart.

Apart from Michael Buble?

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>> --------------------
>
>Seriously, I don't have a problem with calling 'Stan' her highest-charting
>single, even if I'd make the distinction from her other recordings.

True - somehow I can't see Dido including any rap records on her 
forthcoming album... :)
>
>>>>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12,
>>>>>
>>>>>'A Big Hunk O'Love'
>>>
>>>It's not the best lyric he ever sang, but considering the circumstances
>>
>> Which ones?
>
>It was one of several tracks recorded in a rush before he joined the Army so
>they could be trickled out in his absence and this ensure that he remained
>in the public eye.

Just as well that was before the video era.
>
>>>>>49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.
>>
>> But pre-release play is far less important for acts like the Killers,
>> since their core fans will buy it regardless.
>
>Isn't that true of any act who've been around more than five minutes though?

Far more true for rock & pop acts, than say, dance & MOR.

>There's got to be a difference between 'When You Were Young' getting to
>Number 2 and 'For Reasons Unknown' missing the Top 50, and part of that is
>people beyond the core buying it.

Not to mention it being the first from an album.

I see Tranquillize is top 10 on the mids - I thought you said it was 
only old B-sides on this forthcoming album?
>
>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't be totally surprised even if she were #1.
>>>
>>>Er, wouldn't the record have to be, y'know, released first?
>>
>> Tell that to Gnarls Barkley, or Mika, or Rihanna, or Sugababes...
>
>Are you telling me that none of those was surprising?

The first two were, since I couldn't (and still can't) understand their 
appeal.
>
>> AIUI, it came out to download yesterday, and on CD next Monday.
>
>I admit I didn't know last night that it had come out on download.

But you knew the release date had been moved up - we've been discussing 
that for the last couple of days!

>Unless it
>didn't until today, I suppose. You could have said that when you made the
>prediction, you know.

See above.
>
>>>
>>>I'd expect that to be a bit less of a factor than normal, though, bearing
>>>in
>>>mind the nature of this album.
>>
>> I don't see how that follows?
>
>Because it's his productions of songs written and sung by various other
>people, so you'll get a higher than average incidence of people who are only
>interested in one or two tracks on it.

It sounds almost like it should be on the compilation album chart then, 
rather than the main one.

>Ergo, coming out after the album
>won't be a brake on singles sales to the same degree as it is with some
>albums.

It depends of the fanbase of the other artist.
>
>> The Sugababes will probably still be selling close to 40k this week, and
>> it's extremely unlikely that Ronson will double his sales due to CD
>> release. Recently, the average benefit from CD release has only been about
>> 50%.
>
>Yeah, but I didn't say he would double them, did I?

You didn't have to say that.
>
>>>>>>Wombats
>>>>>
>>>>>Already Top 40.
>>>>
>>>> But not when I wrote my prediction...
>>>
>>>No, but you could have changed it.
>>
>> I only usually revise the current-week part of my commentary.
>
>Possibly not an ideal strategy, then.

Look who's talking. :)
>
>>>>>> McFly,
>>>>>
>>>>>Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.
>>>>
>>>> Or too few people bought it - they aren't big download-sellers
>>>> generally.
>>>
>>>But you only need a few hundred sales to reach the iTunes Top 100.
>>>Apparently the official date has been postponed to the 21st.
>>
>> Makes sense, given they *have* to concentrate their sales as much as
>> possible - remember last time when they slipped from 1 to 20. :)
>
>Indeed. I think we were all quite surprised

Or completely indifferent? :)

>when they announced otherwise.
>>
>> But they were never very big, so there should be much of a fanbase
>> carry-over.
>
>Should be or shouldn't?

The latter.
>
>>>On an different tip, Woolworth's have Journey South in their physical Top
>>>10, but I've seen no other sign that the record even exists. Make of that
>>>what you will.
>>
>> Now this I *do* know about : from the new release schedule -
>>
>> Journey South - That's What I Love About Home [Only available from
>> Woolworths]
>
>You know, exclusivity is a better deal if it's something people actually
>want to buy.

Knowing that it even exists would also help. :)
>
>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>>>J-Lo,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>>>
>>>That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!
>>
>> Because they were catchy R&B/pop?
>
>You say catchy, but how many can you really remember?

Not much point in asking me that when I have a copy of Guinness 
nearby... :)
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
news:bSeafoC93aFHFwMc@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>> --------------------
>>
>>Seriously, I don't have a problem with calling 'Stan' her highest-charting
>>single, even if I'd make the distinction from her other recordings.
>
> True - somehow I can't see Dido including any rap records on her
> forthcoming album... :)

Will anyone even remember what music was by the time she releases that 
album?

>>>>>>> Top 20 : Elvis #12,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>'A Big Hunk O'Love'
>>>>
>>>>It's not the best lyric he ever sang, but considering the circumstances
>>>
>>> Which ones?
>>
>>It was one of several tracks recorded in a rush before he joined the Army
>>so
>>they could be trickled out in his absence and this ensure that he remained
>>in the public eye.
>
> Just as well that was before the video era.

If it had been, I'm sure Colonel Parker would have made him do some videos 
as well.
As it was, they did that time's equivalent by making a film.

>>>>>>49: Killers & Lou Reed - not bad from two days' sales.
>>>
>>> But pre-release play is far less important for acts like the Killers,
>>> since their core fans will buy it regardless.
>>
>>There's got to be a difference between 'When You Were Young' getting to
>>Number 2 and 'For Reasons Unknown' missing the Top 50, and part of that is
>>people beyond the core buying it.
>
> Not to mention it being the first from an album.

Certainly that's also an important point - but then again they're not 
unconnected anyway. One way to define the core fans would be that they're 
the people who keep buying the singles from later in the album campaign. To 
put that another way, the singles in between those two ('Bones' and 'Read My 
Mind') both reached the same peak position.

> I see Tranquillize is top 10 on the mids - I thought you said it was only
> old B-sides on this forthcoming album?

Not exactly - it's a collection of "rare" tracks but I suppose if they 
didn't put anything new on it, people who've already got the B-sides might 
not buy it.
The exact content of the UK version isn't yet announced - the US version 
includes tracks from the UK version of their first album, so that'll be 
different here.

>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So are you predicting Britney for the Top 3 then?
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't be totally surprised even if she were #1.
>>>>
>>>>Er, wouldn't the record have to be, y'know, released first?
>>>
>>> Tell that to Gnarls Barkley, or Mika, or Rihanna, or Sugababes...
>>
>>Are you telling me that none of those was surprising?
>
> The first two were, since I couldn't (and still can't) understand their
> appeal.

Although the Mika one was, in a way, the least surprising, because it had 
climbed from 3.

>>> AIUI, it came out to download yesterday, and on CD next Monday.
>>
>>I admit I didn't know last night that it had come out on download.
>
> But you knew the release date had been moved up - we've been discussing
> that for the last couple of days!

Yeah, but that was the physical release date.

>>Unless it
>>didn't until today, I suppose. You could have said that when you made the
>>prediction, you know.
>
> See above.

It just looked confusing that Ronson & Winehouse were still in the 
predictions and she wasn't.

>>>>I'd expect that to be a bit less of a factor than normal, though,
>>>>bearing
>>>>in
>>>>mind the nature of this album.
>>>
>>> I don't see how that follows?
>>
>>Because it's his productions of songs written and sung by various other
>>people, so you'll get a higher than average incidence of people who are
>>only
>>interested in one or two tracks on it.
>
> It sounds almost like it should be on the compilation album chart then,
> rather than the main one.

AFAIK, the precendent the OCC follow is that albums with a series of guests 
collaborating with the same lead artist are entitled to a place in the 
artist chart.

>>Ergo, coming out after the album
>>won't be a brake on singles sales to the same degree as it is with some
>>albums.
>
> It depends of the fanbase of the other artist.

Absolutely.

>>> The Sugababes will probably still be selling close to 40k this week, and
>>> it's extremely unlikely that Ronson will double his sales due to CD
>>> release. Recently, the average benefit from CD release has only been
>>> about
>>> 50%.
>>
>>Yeah, but I didn't say he would double them, did I?
>
> You didn't have to say that.

Well, I didn't even know yet.

>>>>>>>Wombats
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Already Top 40.
>>>>>
>>>>> But not when I wrote my prediction...
>>>>
>>>>No, but you could have changed it.
>>>
>>> I only usually revise the current-week part of my commentary.
>>
>>Possibly not an ideal strategy, then.
>
> Look who's talking. :)

I don't even write my predictions until Sunday night though.

>>>>>>> McFly,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hard to tell; I guess it didn't go onto iTunes this week after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or too few people bought it - they aren't big download-sellers
>>>>> generally.
>>>>
>>>>But you only need a few hundred sales to reach the iTunes Top 100.
>>>>Apparently the official date has been postponed to the 21st.
>>>
>>> Makes sense, given they *have* to concentrate their sales as much as
>>> possible - remember last time when they slipped from 1 to 20. :)
>>
>>Indeed. I think we were all quite surprised
>
> Or completely indifferent? :)

I did actually find it quite remarkable, precisely because it was so unlike 
what they'd done before.

>>when they announced otherwise.
>>>
>>> But they were never very big, so there should be much of a fanbase
>>> carry-over.
>>
>>Should be or shouldn't?
>
> The latter.

That's one way of looking at it - OTOH, because they're a fairly obsure 
band, you'd think that pretty much anyone who bought one of their records 
would recognise his name.

>>>>On an different tip, Woolworth's have Journey South in their physical
>>>>Top
>>>>10, but I've seen no other sign that the record even exists. Make of
>>>>that
>>>>what you will.
>>>
>>> Now this I *do* know about : from the new release schedule -
>>>
>>> Journey South - That's What I Love About Home [Only available from
>>> Woolworths]
>>
>>You know, exclusivity is a better deal if it's something people actually
>>want to buy.
>
> Knowing that it even exists would also help. :)

Well, I did know the song existed, but not that it was coming out as a 
single.

>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>J-Lo,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>>>>
>>>>That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!
>>>
>>> Because they were catchy R&B/pop?
>>
>>You say catchy, but how many can you really remember?
>
> Not much point in asking me that when I have a copy of Guinness nearby...
> :)

I didn't ask how many you could name, but how many you actually remembered.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>
>>>Seriously, I don't have a problem with calling 'Stan' her highest-charting
>>>single, even if I'd make the distinction from her other recordings.
>>
>> True - somehow I can't see Dido including any rap records on her
>> forthcoming album... :)
>
>Will anyone even remember what music was by the time she releases that
>album?

Will the human race even still exist by that time? :)

Seriously though, while no-one expects her to release an album every 
year, I don't think one in two years, or even one in three is 
unreasonable to expect.

On the subject of MOR albums, it seems that Delta Goodrem isn't likely 
to release her latest album here until early next year, despite it being 
out in Oz next Monday.
>
>
>> I see Tranquillize is top 10 on the mids - I thought you said it was only
>> old B-sides on this forthcoming album?
>
>Not exactly - it's a collection of "rare" tracks but I suppose if they
>didn't put anything new on it, people who've already got the B-sides might
>not buy it.

How are 'rare tracks' defined?
>
>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>>Er, wouldn't the record have to be, y'know, released first?
>>>>
>>>> Tell that to Gnarls Barkley, or Mika, or Rihanna, or Sugababes...
>>>
>>>Are you telling me that none of those was surprising?
>>
>> The first two were, since I couldn't (and still can't) understand their
>> appeal.
>
>Although the Mika one was, in a way, the least surprising, because it had
>climbed from 3.

The surprise was that anyone *whatsoever* bought it...

Re Mark Ronson :
>>
>> It sounds almost like it should be on the compilation album chart then,
>> rather than the main one.
>
>AFAIK, the precendent the OCC follow is that albums with a series of guests
>collaborating with the same lead artist are entitled to a place in the
>artist chart.

Except that I would define the lead artists as the one who *performs* on 
the record - that's who people buy them for, not the producer (except in 
the case of trance DJ's, of course). Not to mention that none of the 
three singles with his name on were written by him...
>
>>>>
>>>> I only usually revise the current-week part of my commentary.
>>>
>>>Possibly not an ideal strategy, then.
>>
>> Look who's talking. :)
>
>I don't even write my predictions until Sunday night though.

But by Sunday night you already *know* the positions, so they're hardly 
'predictions'... :)
>
>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>J-Lo,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!
>>>>
>>>> Because they were catchy R&B/pop?
>>>
>>>You say catchy, but how many can you really remember?
>>
>> Not much point in asking me that when I have a copy of Guinness nearby...
>> :)
>
>I didn't ask how many you could name, but how many you actually remembered.
>
But when I check the titles, that would jog my memory of the tunes...
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> In uk.music.charts on Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>
>>> I see Tranquillize is top 10 on the mids - I thought you said it was 
>>> only
>>> old B-sides on this forthcoming album?
>>
>>Not exactly - it's a collection of "rare" tracks but I suppose if they
>>didn't put anything new on it, people who've already got the B-sides might
>>not buy it.
>
> How are 'rare tracks' defined?

However the record company want to define it.
One track they've already confirmed as including on this one is 
'Shadowplay', which is widely obtainable on the Control soundtrack album if 
you want it.

>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>> -------
> Re Mark Ronson :
>>>
>>> It sounds almost like it should be on the compilation album chart then,
>>> rather than the main one.
>>
>>AFAIK, the precendent the OCC follow is that albums with a series of 
>>guests
>>collaborating with the same lead artist are entitled to a place in the
>>artist chart.
>
> Except that I would define the lead artists as the one who *performs* on 
> the record - that's who people buy them for, not the producer (except in 
> the case of trance DJ's, of course).

So why are trance DJs an exception and not him?
I think I might compare this to something like Santana.

> Not to mention that none of the three singles with his name on were 
> written by him...

Well no, but that didn't stop Elvis did it?
I think he did have a credit on 'Ooh-Wee', FWIW.

>>>>>
>>>>> I only usually revise the current-week part of my commentary.
>>>>
>>>>Possibly not an ideal strategy, then.
>>>
>>> Look who's talking. :)
>>
>>I don't even write my predictions until Sunday night though.
>
> But by Sunday night you already *know* the positions, so they're hardly 
> 'predictions'... :)

I don't write my predictions for the following week in advance.

>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>J-Lo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know why the single flopped (relatively speaking) though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's funny - I can't understand why her other ones didn't!
>>>>>
>>>>> Because they were catchy R&B/pop?
>>>>
>>>>You say catchy, but how many can you really remember?
>>>
>>> Not much point in asking me that when I have a copy of Guinness 
>>> nearby...
>>> :)
>>
>>I didn't ask how many you could name, but how many you actually 
>>remembered.
>>
> But when I check the titles, that would jog my memory of the tunes...

I can't prove this - but do you really remember how 'Hold You Down', 'All I 
Have' or 'I'm Real' go?

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>
>>>>>>>>>> Next Week
>>>>>>>>>> ---------
>>>>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>>>>> -------
>>
>> Except that I would define the lead artists as the one who *performs* on
>> the record - that's who people buy them for, not the producer (except in
>> the case of trance DJ's, of course).
>
>So why are trance DJs an exception and not him?

But trance DJ's are almost invariably the only ones credited on their 
records.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Albums
>>>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>J-Lo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>> But when I check the titles, that would jog my memory of the tunes...
>
>I can't prove this - but do you really remember how 'Hold You Down', 'All I
>Have' or 'I'm Real' go?

I could tell you I'm humming them now - but how would you know... :)
-- 
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