Http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/playlist.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/playlist/

I would assume they have *some* system for deciding which songs to put 
on their rotation, but what it is, is often unfathomable to me, 
especially R1's. :)

I prefer R2's most of the time though :

A LIST
ATHLETE - Hurricane
JAMES BLUNT - 1973
MAROON 5 - Wake Up Call
KT TUNSTALL - Hold On
CATHERINE FEENY - Mr Blue
CROWDED HOUSE - She Called Up
ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
*NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat [At last!] :)
*NEW* LEANN RIMES - Nothin' Better To Do
PLAIN WHITE T'S - Hey There Delilah

Unfortunately most of the above will not do as well as singles as IMO 
they deserve to. IMO Leann Rimes single in particular ought to got top 3 
at least!
-- 
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

> I would assume they have *some* system for deciding which songs to put on 
> their rotation, but what it is, is often unfathomable to me


A group of people "in the know" sit around a big table in a boardroom each 
week and choose. Really.

D.

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FOAD you cross posting troll!

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>FOAD you cross posting troll!

Excuse me?! That was totally uncalled for. :(

How is a comment about radio playlists *not* on topic for the R2 
newsgroup, which you appear to be posting from?

Or indeed for R1...
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> Http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/playlist.shtml
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/playlist/
>
> I would assume they have *some* system for deciding which songs to put on 
> their rotation, but what it is, is often unfathomable to me, especially 
> R1's. :)

Surely a system is the last thing you'd want?

> I prefer R2's most of the time though :

As is only right, considering your age.

> A LIST
> ATHLETE - Hurricane

OK track from a band I used to like a lot more.

> JAMES BLUNT - 1973

Blah...

> MAROON 5 - Wake Up Call

Rather the opposite of the effect their music tends to have on me.

> KT TUNSTALL - Hold On

Good track.

> CATHERINE FEENY - Mr Blue

Oh is that who it is?

> CROWDED HOUSE - She Called Up

Not necessarily the best track on the album, but possibly a more obvious 
single than the last one.

> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road

Don't wake up the listeners, will you Annie?

> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)

Does Mike Batt intentionally pick all the worst songs for the singles?

> *NEW* LEANN RIMES - Nothin' Better To Do

Pity.

> PLAIN WHITE T'S - Hey There Delilah

Horrible, but obviously the sort of thing you expect from R2, because it 
suits

> Unfortunately most of the above will not do as well as singles as IMO they 
> deserve to. IMO Leann Rimes single in particular ought to got top 3 at 
> least!

But since she only ever had one of those even at the peak of her career, 
that's not really on the agenda.

Let's be even-handed and look at the Radio 1 list shall we?

>Athlete Hurricane

See above

>Booty Luv Don't Mess With My Man

Hope you like their new direction...

>Editors An End Has A Start

Better than the last one. Steve Wright plays it every day you know.

>The Enemy You're Not Alone

I might like this more if it wasn't by The Enemy. But it is.

>Foo Fighters The Pretender

Grower.

>Freaks The Creeps (Get On The Dancefloor)

A bit average, but I've heard this a lot and don't actually hate it.

>David Guetta featuring Chris Willis Love Is Gone

I've heard this a lot, and do slightly hate it.

>Hard-Fi Suburban Knights

Usual toss from them.

>Kaiser Chiefs The Angry Mob

Good track, although it didn't sell well.

>Sean Kingston Beautiful Girls

Enuff said.

>Linkin Park Bleed It Out

Not good even by their standards.

>Maroon 5 Wake Up Call

Equally bad wherever you hear it.

>Peter Bjorn And John feat. Victoria >Bergsman Young Folks

My favourite on the list.

>The Pigeon Detectives Take Her Back

Nice loud drumming. Pity about every other aspect of the record.

>Plain White T's Hey There Delilah

Still rubbish.

>KT Tunstall Hold On

Still good.

>The Twang Two Lovers

The formula's already looking tired.

>Kanye West Stronger

Nice bear, shame about the song.

>The White Stripes You Don't Know What Love Is

A bit Stripes-by-numbers, but still worth hearing.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>
>> I would assume they have *some* system for deciding which songs to put on
>> their rotation, but what it is, is often unfathomable to me, especially
>> R1's. :)
>
>Surely a system is the last thing you'd want?

I wouldn't mind one if *I* were in charge of it. :)

Guess what genre would never get a look in...
>
>> I prefer R2's most of the time though :
>
>As is only right, considering your age.

If you're suggesting people's musical tastes improve with age, I 
wouldn't disagree with that... :)
>
>> A LIST
>> ATHLETE - Hurricane
>
>OK track from a band I used to like a lot more.

'Wires' was OK, but that's the only one of their songs that did anything 
for me.
>
>> JAMES BLUNT - 1973
>
>Blah...

OTOH, even being 'blah' it is still better than most songs currently 
charting, which is a sad reflection...
>
>> MAROON 5 - Wake Up Call
>
>Rather the opposite of the effect their music tends to have on me.

'She Will Be Loved' is the only song of theirs I really liked.
>
>> KT TUNSTALL - Hold On
>
>Good track.

But looking likely to under-perform as a single, alas.
>
>> CATHERINE FEENY - Mr Blue
>
>Oh is that who it is?

I've heard this maybe once, and it doesn't stick in my mind.
>
>> CROWDED HOUSE - She Called Up
>
>Not necessarily the best track on the album, but possibly a more obvious
>single than the last one.

Another group from my 'off' period.
>
>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>
>Don't wake up the listeners, will you Annie?

Haven't heard this, but I was a huge Eurythmics fan.
>
>> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)
>
>Does Mike Batt intentionally pick all the worst songs for the singles?

Wouldn't that imply you've heard other, non-single tracks, and preferred 
them?
>
>> *NEW* LEANN RIMES - Nothin' Better To Do
>
>Pity.

The only pity is that it won't get the top 3 position that IMO it 
deserves.
>
>> PLAIN WHITE T'S - Hey There Delilah
>
>Horrible, but obviously the sort of thing you expect from R2, because it
>suits

Better than the Fray's dirge - 'How To Save A Life'? Not listening to 
that song would be a good start - if you weren't already suicidal, you 
soon *would* be! :)
>
>> Unfortunately most of the above will not do as well as singles as IMO they
>> deserve to. IMO Leann Rimes single in particular ought to got top 3 at
>> least!
>
>But since she only ever had one of those even at the peak of her career,
>that's not really on the agenda.

If it got the airplay it deserves, it surely would be - a great example 
of country/rock IMO.
>
>>Booty Luv Don't Mess With My Man
>
>Hope you like their new direction...

Long walk off a short pier, perhaps? :)
>
>>Editors An End Has A Start
>
>Better than the last one. Steve Wright plays it every day you know.

Tell me about it - I forced myself to listen to him yesterday to try & 
hear Katie Melua. I did, but the bastard cut it short. :(
>
>>Foo Fighters The Pretender
>
>Grower.

They're obviously hoping so, given they released it to download *ages* 
before the CD...
>
>>Peter Bjorn And John feat. Victoria >Bergsman Young Folks
>
>My favourite on the list.

Definitely not mine!
>
>>Kanye West Stronger
>
>Nice bear, shame about the song.

And the artist.
>
>>The White Stripes You Don't Know What Love Is
>
>A bit Stripes-by-numbers, but still worth hearing.

If Kate Moss isn't pole-dancing, what's the point? :)
-- 
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> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>
>>> I would assume they have *some* system for deciding which songs to put
>>> on
>>> their rotation, but what it is, is often unfathomable to me, especially
>>> R1's. :)
>>
>>Surely a system is the last thing you'd want?
>
> I wouldn't mind one if *I* were in charge of it. :)

I meant that as a generic "you", rather than a personal one.

> Guess what genre would never get a look in...

But that's the point. I don't think it would really work to allocate a 
certain proportion of space to particular genres, or genders or 
nationalities or whatever.

>>> I prefer R2's most of the time though :
>>
>>As is only right, considering your age.
>
> If you're suggesting people's musical tastes improve with age, I wouldn't
> disagree with that... :)

My personal experience is making me wonder, actually. ;-)


>>> A LIST
>>> ATHLETE - Hurricane
>>
>>OK track from a band I used to like a lot more.
>
> 'Wires' was OK, but that's the only one of their songs that did anything
> for me.

I do think that's their single best song, but I like their first album more 
than the second one.

>>> JAMES BLUNT - 1973
>>
>>Blah...
>
> OTOH, even being 'blah' it is still better than most songs currently
> charting, which is a sad reflection...

Although some people say that "blah" is the greatest sin in pop.

>>> MAROON 5 - Wake Up Call
>>
>>Rather the opposite of the effect their music tends to have on me.
>
> 'She Will Be Loved' is the only song of theirs I really liked.

That might even be my least favourite of theirs, you know.

>>> CATHERINE FEENY - Mr Blue
>>
>>Oh is that who it is?
>
> I've heard this maybe once, and it doesn't stick in my mind.

I think it sounds a bit like a less interesting Nerina Pallot.

>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>
>>Don't wake up the listeners, will you Annie?
>
> Haven't heard this, but I was a huge Eurythmics fan.

Are you really sure you haven't heard it? You might just not have noticed.

>>> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)
>>
>>Does Mike Batt intentionally pick all the worst songs for the singles?
>
> Wouldn't that imply you've heard other, non-single tracks, and preferred
> them?

It's tempting to suggest that it's just impossible for the other ones not to 
be better. But actually I have (from her past albums, I mean). I don't even 
think '9m Bicycles' was the best single from that album.

>>> Unfortunately most of the above will not do as well as singles as IMO
>>> they
>>> deserve to. IMO Leann Rimes single in particular ought to got top 3 at
>>> least!
>>
>>But since she only ever had one of those even at the peak of her career,
>>that's not really on the agenda.
>
> If it got the airplay it deserves, it surely would be - a great example of
> country/rock IMO.

Wasn't 'Life Goes On' a big airplay hit? AFAIK this isn't even coming out as 
a single.

>>Editors An End Has A Start
>>
>>Better than the last one. Steve Wright plays it every day you know.
>
> Tell me about it - I forced myself to listen to him yesterday to try &
> hear Katie Melua. I did, but the bastard cut it short. :(

Why him? At least in the morning you could have heard Aled Jones.

>>>Peter Bjorn And John feat. Victoria >Bergsman Young Folks
>>
>>My favourite on the list.
>
> Definitely not mine!

I bought it the first time.

>>>Kanye West Stronger
>>
>>Nice bear, shame about the song.
>
> And the artist.

I don't have anything particular against him as a person.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>
>>>> I would assume they have *some* system for deciding which songs to put
>>>> on
>>>> their rotation, but what it is, is often unfathomable to me, especially
>>>> R1's. :)
>>>
>>>Surely a system is the last thing you'd want?
>>
>> I wouldn't mind one if *I* were in charge of it. :)
>
>I meant that as a generic "you", rather than a personal one.

OK.
>
>> Guess what genre would never get a look in...
>
>But that's the point. I don't think it would really work to allocate a
>certain proportion of space to particular genres, or genders or
>nationalities or whatever.

But there *are* specialist radio stations & TV music channels...

In fact, I'd prefer there were *more*, that way I could turn to a given 
Sky music channel and be pretty confident that they wouldn't be playing 
a genre I didn't like.

There are specialist rock, urban, dance, classical & oldie channels, so 
ISTM there should be less reason for playing those genres on other ones.

I wish there was a specialist MOR channel though - one playing a diet of 
Dido, Katie Melua, James Blunt, etc.

>
>>>> I prefer R2's most of the time though :
>>>
>>>As is only right, considering your age.
>>
>> If you're suggesting people's musical tastes improve with age, I wouldn't
>> disagree with that... :)
>
>My personal experience is making me wonder, actually. ;-)

So you might substitute 'change' for 'improve' in the above sentence...?
>
>>>> JAMES BLUNT - 1973
>>>
>>>Blah...
>>
>> OTOH, even being 'blah' it is still better than most songs currently
>> charting, which is a sad reflection...
>
>Although some people say that "blah" is the greatest sin in pop.

Those would be the people who are jealous of the amount of revenue that 
'blah' music generates? :)
>
>>>> CATHERINE FEENY - Mr Blue
>>>
>>>Oh is that who it is?
>>
>> I've heard this maybe once, and it doesn't stick in my mind.
>
>I think it sounds a bit like a less interesting Nerina Pallot.

I like Nerina Pallot - and thought Sophia should have been a massive 
hit.
>
>>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>>
>>>Don't wake up the listeners, will you Annie?
>>
>> Haven't heard this, but I was a huge Eurythmics fan.
>
>Are you really sure you haven't heard it? You might just not have noticed.

Well there's been no video, and since I don't listen to the radio except 
for the chart show - yes, I can be pretty confident I haven't heard it.
>
>>>> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)
>>>
>>>Does Mike Batt intentionally pick all the worst songs for the singles?
>>
>> Wouldn't that imply you've heard other, non-single tracks, and preferred
>> them?
>
>It's tempting to suggest that it's just impossible for the other ones not to
>be better. But actually I have (from her past albums, I mean). I don't even
>think '9m Bicycles' was the best single from that album.

But few of her songs are even designed to be singles. Only the first one 
from each of her two albums has been a significant singles hit.

In fact, 'Closest Thing To Crazy' is my all-time 2nd favourite song...
>
>>>>IMO Leann Rimes single in particular ought to got top 3 at
>>>> least!
>>>
>>>But since she only ever had one of those even at the peak of her career,
>>>that's not really on the agenda.
>>
>> If it got the airplay it deserves, it surely would be - a great example of
>> country/rock IMO.
>
>Wasn't 'Life Goes On' a big airplay hit? AFAIK this isn't even coming out as
>a single.

I'm sure you've checked the new release schedule for 24th September 
then...
>>>
>>>Better than the last one. Steve Wright plays it every day you know.
>>
>> Tell me about it - I forced myself to listen to him yesterday to try &
>> hear Katie Melua. I did, but the bastard cut it short. :(
>
>Why him?

Because it was only just before his show that I found out Katie was 
A-listed.
>
>>>>Peter Bjorn And John feat. Victoria >Bergsman Young Folks
>
>I bought it the first time.

Don't tell me - if flopped though...
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> In uk.music.charts on Sat, 1 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :

>
>>
>>>>> I prefer R2's most of the time though :
>>>>
>>>>As is only right, considering your age.
>>>
>>> If you're suggesting people's musical tastes improve with age, I 
>>> wouldn't
>>> disagree with that... :)
>>
>>My personal experience is making me wonder, actually. ;-)
>
> So you might substitute 'change' for 'improve' in the above sentence...?

Yes. Sometimes I worry mine is getting worse...

Anyway, my original point was that if you really did prefer the R1 tracks, 
something would have gone very wrong.

>>>>> JAMES BLUNT - 1973
>>>>
>>>>Blah...
>>>
>>> OTOH, even being 'blah' it is still better than most songs currently
>>> charting, which is a sad reflection...
>>
>>Although some people say that "blah" is the greatest sin in pop.
>
> Those would be the people who are jealous of the amount of revenue that 
> 'blah' music generates? :)

Not necessarily - there's also a line of argument which goes that music 
which is distinctive or dramatic in some way must be pleasing to some small 
group of people, which is better than making music that a lot of people 
think is OK.

>>>>> CATHERINE FEENY - Mr Blue
>>>>
>>>>Oh is that who it is?
>>>
>>> I've heard this maybe once, and it doesn't stick in my mind.
>>
>>I think it sounds a bit like a less interesting Nerina Pallot.
>
> I like Nerina Pallot - and thought Sophia should have been a massive hit.

Like I said, this is less interesting.

>>>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>>>
>>>>Don't wake up the listeners, will you Annie?
>>>
>>> Haven't heard this, but I was a huge Eurythmics fan.
>>
>>Are you really sure you haven't heard it? You might just not have noticed.
>
> Well there's been no video, and since I don't listen to the radio except 
> for the chart show - yes, I can be pretty confident I haven't heard it.

There seems to be a video on YouTube - although I obviously haven't watched 
it.

>>>>> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)
>>>>
>>>>Does Mike Batt intentionally pick all the worst songs for the singles?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't that imply you've heard other, non-single tracks, and preferred
>>> them?
>>
>>It's tempting to suggest that it's just impossible for the other ones not 
>>to
>>be better. But actually I have (from her past albums, I mean). I don't 
>>even
>>think '9m Bicycles' was the best single from that album.
>
> But few of her songs are even designed to be singles. Only the first one 
> from each of her two albums has been a significant singles hit.

Ah, well it's exactly the ones "designed to be singles" that I have the 
problem with.

>>>>>IMO Leann Rimes single in particular ought to got top 3 at
>>>>> least!
>>>>
>>>>But since she only ever had one of those even at the peak of her career,
>>>>that's not really on the agenda.
>>>
>>> If it got the airplay it deserves, it surely would be - a great example 
>>> of
>>> country/rock IMO.
>>
>>Wasn't 'Life Goes On' a big airplay hit? AFAIK this isn't even coming out 
>>as
>>a single.
>
> I'm sure you've checked the new release schedule for 24th September 
> then...

I never look that far forward. I'll take your word for it, but I still think 
it's going to take more than radio play to make this a big hit.

>>>>Better than the last one. Steve Wright plays it every day you know.
>>>
>>> Tell me about it - I forced myself to listen to him yesterday to try &
>>> hear Katie Melua. I did, but the bastard cut it short. :(
>>
>>Why him?
>
> Because it was only just before his show that I found out Katie was 
> A-listed.

You could have waited for Chris Evans... actually, come to think of it I'm 
not sure he plays playlist music on Fridays.
Anyway, you've already heard the song haven't you?

>>>>>Peter Bjorn And John feat. Victoria >Bergsman Young Folks
>>
>>I bought it the first time.
>
> Don't tell me - if flopped though...

About Number 35 IIRC. Which was not bad under the circumstances.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>
>>>Although some people say that "blah" is the greatest sin in pop.
>>
>> Those would be the people who are jealous of the amount of revenue that
>> 'blah' music generates? :)
>
>Not necessarily - there's also a line of argument which goes that music
>which is distinctive or dramatic in some way must be pleasing to some small
>group of people, which is better than making music that a lot of people
>think is OK.

That's fair enough, as long as they don't then complain about low sales.
>
>>>>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>>
>>>Are you really sure you haven't heard it? You might just not have noticed.
>>
>> Well there's been no video, and since I don't listen to the radio except
>> for the chart show - yes, I can be pretty confident I haven't heard it.
>
>There seems to be a video on YouTube - although I obviously haven't watched
>it.

I guess I should check it out - I just assumed there would be one, as 
there wasn't for her last album.
>
>>>>>> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)
>>
>> But few of her songs are even designed to be singles. Only the first one
>> from each of her two albums has been a significant singles hit.
>
>Ah, well it's exactly the ones "designed to be singles" that I have the
>problem with.

How come?
>
>I never look that far forward. I'll take your word for it, but I still think
>it's going to take more than radio play to make this a big hit.

How about - it being a great catchy song?
>
>>>>>Better than the last one. Steve Wright plays it every day you know.
>>>>
>>>> Tell me about it - I forced myself to listen to him yesterday to try &
>>>> hear Katie Melua. I did, but the bastard cut it short. :(
>>>
>>>Why him?
>>
>> Because it was only just before his show that I found out Katie was
>> A-listed.
>
>You could have waited for Chris Evans...

He's even *worse* than SW!

>Anyway, you've already heard the song haven't you?

But I haven't yet got available to watch off the computer.
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> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :

>>>>>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>>>
>>>>Are you really sure you haven't heard it? You might just not have
>>>>noticed.
>>>
>>> Well there's been no video, and since I don't listen to the radio except
>>> for the chart show - yes, I can be pretty confident I haven't heard it.
>>
>>There seems to be a video on YouTube - although I obviously haven't
>>watched
>>it.
>
> I guess I should check it out - I just assumed there would be one, as
> there wasn't for her last album.

I'll take your word for it that there weren't. If you ever did hear the 
"singles" from that album, this is in a similar vein.

>>>>>>> *NEW* KATIE MELUA - If You Were A Sailboat >[At last!] :)
>>>
>>> But few of her songs are even designed to be singles. Only the first one
>>> from each of her two albums has been a significant singles hit.
>>
>>Ah, well it's exactly the ones "designed to be singles" that I have the
>>problem with.
>
> How come?

It just seems like Batt intentionally tries to come up with gimmicky ideas, 
which don't really suit her.

>>I never look that far forward. I'll take your word for it, but I still
>>think
>>it's going to take more than radio play to make this a big hit.
>
> How about - it being a great catchy song?

Yeah, maybe if she actually did make a decent record that might work. 
Although it would still have her annoying voice all over it.
And for all I know, some people might not have forgiven that Brian McFadden 
duet.

>>Anyway, you've already heard the song haven't you?
>
> But I haven't yet got available to watch off the computer.

Are some missing from sentence?

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>
>>>>>>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>>
>>>There seems to be a video on YouTube - although I obviously haven't
>>>watched
>>>it.
>>
>> I guess I should check it out - I just assumed there would be one, as
>> there wasn't for her last album.
>
>I'll take your word for it that there weren't. If you ever did hear the
>"singles" from that album, this is in a similar vein.

I didn't even know there were singles released from it - I don't recall 
any ever charting?

Saw 'Dark Road' on YouTube - nothing like as good as her stuff up to the 
mid-90's. The title of the album suggests a political slant too - and I 
really don't like political songs.

RE : Leann Rimes
>
>>>I never look that far forward. I'll take your word for it, but I still
>>>think
>>>it's going to take more than radio play to make this a big hit.
>>
>> How about - it being a great catchy song?
>
>Yeah, maybe if she actually did make a decent record that might work.
>Although it would still have her annoying voice all over it.

What 'annoying voice'?

>And for all I know, some people might not have forgiven that Brian McFadden
>duet.

Given that it only reached #48, surely few people will have heard it in 
the first place, let alone forgotten it?
>
>>>Anyway, you've already heard the song haven't you?
>>
>> But I haven't yet got available to watch off the computer.
>
>Are some missing from sentence?

Just one: s/b 'got it...'
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> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>
>>>>>>>>> ANNIE LENNOX - Dark Road
>>>>
>>>>There seems to be a video on YouTube - although I obviously haven't
>>>>watched
>>>>it.
>>>
>>> I guess I should check it out - I just assumed there would be one, as
>>> there wasn't for her last album.
>>
>>I'll take your word for it that there weren't. If you ever did hear the
>>"singles" from that album, this is in a similar vein.
>
> I didn't even know there were singles released from it - I don't recall 
> any ever charting?

That's what the inverted commas were for - there were tracks promoted to 
radio but she eschewed any serious commercial release (I *think* one or two 
came out on 12").

> Saw 'Dark Road' on YouTube - nothing like as good as her stuff up to the 
> mid-90's.

I'll have to take your word for that.

>The title of the album suggests a political slant too - and I > really 
>don't like political songs.

Suggests a lack of originality too.

> RE : Leann Rimes
>>
>>>>I never look that far forward. I'll take your word for it, but I still
>>>>think
>>>>it's going to take more than radio play to make this a big hit.
>>>
>>> How about - it being a great catchy song?
>>
>>Yeah, maybe if she actually did make a decent record that might work.
>>Although it would still have her annoying voice all over it.
>
> What 'annoying voice'?

I'm not a big fan of hers.

>>And for all I know, some people might not have forgiven that Brian 
>>McFadden
>>duet.
>
> Given that it only reached #48, surely few people will have heard it in 
> the first place, let alone forgotten it?

People heard it alright but (understandably) didn't buy it. Even as somebody 
who doesn't like her normally, I thought this was worse.

    Chris

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> Saw 'Dark Road' on YouTube - nothing like as good as her stuff up to the 
> mid-90's. The title of the album suggests a political slant too - and I 
> really don't like political songs.

Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make people 
reflect on things, right ?

Chris X wrote:
> "Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
> news:9g9zjwI8362GFwW3@blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>> Saw 'Dark Road' on YouTube - nothing like as good as her stuff up to
>> the mid-90's. The title of the album suggests a political slant too
>> - and I really don't like political songs.
>
> Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make
> people reflect on things, right ?

No, that's the point of a political speech. The point of a song is to 
entertain.

By the way, you really don't need a space between a word and a punctuation 
mark.

In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Amethyst Deceiver  wrote:

>> Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make
>> people reflect on things, right ?

> No, that's the point of a political speech. The point of a song is to 
> entertain.

That's far too much of a generalization. Some songs are for entertainment,
yes, but what about things like hymns, protest songs and anthems?   I'd
hardly call them entertainment.


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                            University of Sussex
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In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should check it out - I just assumed there would be one, as
>>>> there wasn't for her last album.
>>
>> I didn't even know there were singles released from it - I don't recall
>> any ever charting?
>
>That's what the inverted commas were for - there were tracks promoted to
>radio but she eschewed any serious commercial release (I *think* one or two
>came out on 12").

I'd be surprised if there were any physical single releases from this 
album.
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In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Chris X  
wrote :
>
>> Saw 'Dark Road' on YouTube - nothing like as good as her stuff up to the
>> mid-90's. The title of the album suggests a political slant too - and I
>> really don't like political songs.
>
>Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make people
>reflect on things, right ?

True - but that's not what I *personally* look for in a song.

I generally buy music that helps me relax from the stresses of everyday 
life, not stuff that reminds me of it!

That's why I prefer easy-listening artists like Kate Melua, Norah Jones, 
Dido, etc.
-- 
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In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Paul Hyett  wrote:

> I generally buy music that helps me relax from the stresses of everyday 
> life, not stuff that reminds me of it!

> That's why I prefer easy-listening artists like Kate Melua, Norah Jones, 
> Dido, etc.

I usually select music to suit my mood.  This explains why I have albums by
the likes of diverse artistes such as Katy Melua, Brian Eno, Matt Munro,
Napalm Death, Brahms and Beethoven to name but six in my reasonably large
collection!

Must admit Napalm Death doesn't often get played though, and if it does,
it's not for very long :-)

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                            University of Sussex
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Chris X  
> wrote :
>>
>>> Saw 'Dark Road' on YouTube - nothing like as good as her stuff up to the
>>> mid-90's. The title of the album suggests a political slant too - and I
>>> really don't like political songs.
>>
>>Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make people
>>reflect on things, right ?
>
> True - but that's not what I *personally* look for in a song.
>
> I generally buy music that helps me relax from the stresses of everyday 
> life, not stuff that reminds me of it!
>
> That's why I prefer easy-listening artists like Kate Melua, Norah Jones, 
> Dido, etc.

Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and regurgitation of 
the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?

"Chris X"  wrote in message 
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>
<snip>>
> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and 
> regurgitation of the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships 
> ?

No more than continual repetition and regurgitation of 'protest' 
themes...

In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Chris X  wrote:

> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and regurgitation of 
> the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ? 

Couldn't the same be said about Shakespeare?


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wrote in message 
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> In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Chris X  wrote:
>
>> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and 
>> regurgitation of
>> the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?
>
> Couldn't the same be said about Shakespeare?
>

<FX from the R1 group>"What's Shakespeare?"</FX>... :~(

A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:
> In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Amethyst Deceiver 
> wrote:
>
>>> Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make
>>> people reflect on things, right ?
>
>> No, that's the point of a political speech. The point of a song is to
>> entertain.
>
> That's far too much of a generalization. Some songs are for
> entertainment, yes, but what about things like hymns, protest songs
> and anthems?   I'd hardly call them entertainment.

If they don't entertain, people won't sing them. Not by choice.

In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Amethyst Deceiver  wrote:

>> That's far too much of a generalization. Some songs are for
>> entertainment, yes, but what about things like hymns, protest songs
>> and anthems?   I'd hardly call them entertainment.

> If they don't entertain, people won't sing them. Not by choice. 

I don't agree.   Many people sing such songs out of a sense of duty, need,
solidarity or devotion.   Why, I was only working myself up into a
devotional trance to the accompaniment of Napalm Death's "Multinational
Corporations" the other day... :-)

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                            University of Sussex
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wrote in message 
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> In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Chris X  wrote:
>
>> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and regurgitation of
>> the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?
>
> Couldn't the same be said about Shakespeare?

Although he hasn't released any albums for years on end, I suppose so - but 
he is, of course, an utter irrelevance.
Just like Norah Jones !

"Chris X"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
> news:fbjgqh$2sc$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Chris X  wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and 
>>> regurgitation of
>>> the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?
>>
>> Couldn't the same be said about Shakespeare?
>
> Although he hasn't released any albums for years on end, I suppose 
> so - but he is, of course, an utter irrelevance.
> Just like Norah Jones !
>

Well you are entitled to your opinion but it tends to say more about 
you that the worth of Shakespeare!

Chris X wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:fbjgqh$2sc$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Chris X  wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and regurgitation of
>>> the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?
>> Couldn't the same be said about Shakespeare?
> 
> Although he hasn't released any albums for years on end, I suppose so - but 
> he is, of course, an utter irrelevance.
> Just like Norah Jones !
> 
> 

His sister hasn't been around for a while either ;)

-- 
Robbie

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Chris X  
wrote :
>>>
>>>Why not ?  The whole point of a song is to SAY something and make people
>>>reflect on things, right ?
>>
>> True - but that's not what I *personally* look for in a song.
>>
>> I generally buy music that helps me relax from the stresses of everyday
>> life, not stuff that reminds me of it!
>>
>> That's why I prefer easy-listening artists like Kate Melua, Norah Jones,
>> Dido, etc.
>
>Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and regurgitation of
>the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?

Not really, because as I mentioned in another post in this thread, 
that's not my *only* favoured genre. Most of the music I prefer is of 
British or European origin though - a majority of American music that 
reaches these shores is infected with rap shit.

One of my pet peeves is when I hear a seemingly pleasant R&B song, only 
for some bloody rapper to ruin it by popping up in the middle with 
incomprehensible or obscene lyrics.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Sep 2007, A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk 
wrote :
>In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Paul Hyett  wrote:
>
>> I generally buy music that helps me relax from the stresses of everyday
>> life, not stuff that reminds me of it!
>
>> That's why I prefer easy-listening artists like Kate Melua, Norah Jones,
>> Dido, etc.
>
>I usually select music to suit my mood.  This explains why I have albums by
>the likes of diverse artistes such as Katy Melua, Brian Eno, Matt Munro,
>Napalm Death, Brahms and Beethoven to name but six in my reasonably large
>collection!

If I want something more stimulating than easy-listening, I go for 
dance-pop or trance.

Thanks to my MP3 player I can randomly select from either, of course. :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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<snip>
>
> One of my pet peeves is when I hear a seemingly pleasant R&B song, 
> only for some bloody rapper to ruin it by popping up in the middle 
> with incomprehensible or obscene lyrics.

People of another generation used to say the same about '60s music!...

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>>>

[re: Annie Lennox]

>>That's what the inverted commas were for - there were tracks promoted to
>>radio but she eschewed any serious commercial release (I *think* one or 
>>two
>>came out on 12").
>
> I'd be surprised if there were any physical single releases from this 
> album.

His Master's Voice tells me that 'Dark Road' is released on CD & DVD on the 
24th. But not why.

    Chris

A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:
> In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 Amethyst Deceiver 
> wrote:
>
>>> That's far too much of a generalization. Some songs are for
>>> entertainment, yes, but what about things like hymns, protest songs
>>> and anthems?   I'd hardly call them entertainment.
>
>> If they don't entertain, people won't sing them. Not by choice.
>
> I don't agree.   Many people sing such songs out of a sense of duty,
> need, solidarity or devotion.   Why, I was only working myself up
> into a devotional trance to the accompaniment of Napalm Death's
> "Multinational Corporations" the other day... :-)

Duty, need, solidarity - not necessarily choice. There are hymns that I sing 
at church, or at least attempt to, because they're on the service list. They 
sound like dirges. But there are hymns I'll sing purely for pleasure because 
the tunes are fabulous, and I know atheists who'll happily sing along 
because they're a good sing. The words mean nothing to them.

There are protest songs that people will sing because the tune is rousing; 
there are protest songs that only get sung by groups because one person 
thinks the words are inspiring. The same goes for anthems.

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>
>[re: Annie Lennox]
>
>>>That's what the inverted commas were for - there were tracks promoted to
>>>radio but she eschewed any serious commercial release (I *think* one or
>>>two
>>>came out on 12").
>>
>> I'd be surprised if there were any physical single releases from this
>> album.
>
>His Master's Voice tells me that 'Dark Road' is released on CD & DVD on the
>24th. But not why.

With the rule change that comes into effect from the 16th, I could 
perhaps understand a 1-track CD being released, but a DVD?
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Robbie  
wrote :
>Chris X wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doesn't it bore you though, the continual repetition and regurgitation of
>>>> the typical topics, ie - angst about relationships ?

>>> Couldn't the same be said about Shakespeare?

>>  Although he hasn't released any albums for years on end, I suppose 
>>so - but  he is, of course, an utter irrelevance.
>> Just like Norah Jones !
>>
>His sister hasn't been around for a while either ;)
>
Groan.
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In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Sep 2007, ":Jerry:" 
<INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote :
>
>"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
>news:yAJwrxGoYZ3GFwMU@blueyonder.co.uk...
><snip>
>>
>> One of my pet peeves is when I hear a seemingly pleasant R&B song,
>> only for some bloody rapper to ruin it by popping up in the middle
>> with incomprehensible or obscene lyrics.
>
>People of another generation used to say the same about '60s music!...
>
[Homer Simpson] I used to be with it, but now what 'it' is, seems 
strange and unusual [end quote]

I know *why* R&B singers tend to slip a bit of rap in their songs - 
because it's popular with the hip-hop dominated US market, but you'd 
think they'd realise that what works in America, doesn't necessarily 
work in Europe.

For example, Joss Stone's latest album - it was clearly aimed at the US, 
but in doing so, she totally screwed over her English fanbase that 
bought her first two albums in great quantity, hence the new album 
bombed here.

ISTM should have taken tips from Nelly Furtado. While 'Promiscuous' was 
clearly aimed at the US market, and was indeed the lead single there 
from 'Loose' rather than Maneater, she did at least include enough MOR 
tracks to appeal to her existing fanbase too.
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> In uk.music.charts on Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>
>>[re: Annie Lennox]
>>
>>>>That's what the inverted commas were for - there were tracks promoted to
>>>>radio but she eschewed any serious commercial release (I *think* one or
>>>>two
>>>>came out on 12").
>>>
>>> I'd be surprised if there were any physical single releases from this
>>> album.
>>
>>His Master's Voice tells me that 'Dark Road' is released on CD & DVD on 
>>the
>>24th. But not why.
>
> With the rule change that comes into effect from the 16th, I could perhaps 
> understand a 1-track CD being released, but a DVD?

Er, why not a DVD? It's got the video on it.
And it's a two-track CD, apparently.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>
>>>[re: Annie Lennox]
>>>>
>>>> I'd be surprised if there were any physical single releases from this
>>>> album.
>>>
>>>His Master's Voice tells me that 'Dark Road' is released on CD & DVD on
>>>the
>>>24th. But not why.
>>
>> With the rule change that comes into effect from the 16th, I could perhaps
>> understand a 1-track CD being released, but a DVD?
>
>Er, why not a DVD? It's got the video on it.
>And it's a two-track CD, apparently.

Actually saw the video on MTV Hits yesterday.

One of the music channels finally played the lovely Katie M's video, 
too. :)
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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<snip>
>
> Actually saw the video on MTV Hits yesterday.
>

So you're their single viewer!...

In uk.media.radio.bbc-r2 :Jerry: <INVALID@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> "Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
> news:OgH$DCKQo63GFw5Y@blueyonder.co.uk...
> <snip>
>>
>> Actually saw the video on MTV Hits yesterday.
>>

> So you're their single viewer!... 

Perhaps he's also Terry Wogan's fabled "other listener"  :-)


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                            University of Sussex
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