Singles
-------
Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.

New Entries/Climbers
--------------------
Top 10 : Hellogoodbye #4, Mutya #9
Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12, R Kelly #18, Kaiser Chiefs #19, Dizzee 
Rascal #20
Top 30 : none
Top 40 : Twang #33, Reverend & The makers #38

New outside the top 40 : Lloyd #66, Tim Deluxe #71, Bonde Do Role #75

Albums
------
Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, 
by topping the album chart instead.

NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7, Ozzy Osbourne #8, Cribs #13, 
Hellogoodbye #17

New outside the top 20 : Erasure #29, Used #39 (I don't have positions 
above #40 yet)

Next Week
---------
Singles
-------
Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.

Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
Top 20 : Marilyn Manson, MIMS, Scissor Sisters, Twang
Top 30 : Kim Sozzy, LCD Soundsystem, Reverend & The Makers, Simply Red
Top 40 : Armand Van Helden, Freeform Five, Omarion, Rogue Traders

Albums
------
Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.

Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar, Infernal, Pigeon Detectives, R Kelly, Ross 
Copperman
-- 
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> Singles
> -------
> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.

Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why 
even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear 
the Jay-Z version this time around.
Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new 
physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might account 
for all the rebounders.

> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Hellogoodbye #4, Mutya #9

Only one newcomer to the Top 10 and that was last week's Number 11

> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,

'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever 
done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.

>R Kelly #18,

A three-word song title that begins 'I'm A...' What a temptation!
It seems fair to say that he no longer has the profile he had even a few 
years ago, perhaps because his place seems to have been taken by Ne-Yo, at 
least musically.

>Kaiser Chiefs #19,

Outsold by their protegees this week, albeit not in a fair fight, and only 
four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'. This is now their smallest hit 
since the original release of 'I Predict A Riot' in 2004.
Isn't 'Everything Is Average Nowadays' rather a fate-tempting title? The 
song has a tiny bit more substance to it than 'Ruby', and there's some nice 
lyrical imagery in the chorus, but it hardly compares with their best 
material.

>Dizzee Rascal #20

It's four years now since he won the Mercury Prize, and about two-and-a-half 
since the rather dubious 'Dream' that was supposed to make him into a 
mainstream star, but if anything had the opposite effect.
Now he's back with the first single from his third album, but whether by 
accident or design it's been a bit lower-key this time. In that context a 
Top 20 hit is actually quite an achievement.
Interestingly, the album is to be a digital-only release in the US.

BTW, I presume you've given up capitalising new entries.

> Top 40 : Twang #33,

Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.

>Reverend & The makers #38

Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.

> New outside the top 40 : Lloyd #66,

Out tomorrow on CD & 12".

*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't 
enough Akon in the charts already.

*70: The Rolling Stones - This is the superb 'Paint It, Black', the sixth of 
their eight UK chart-toppers, which perhaps surprisingly only managed a 
single week at the top in 1966.
It also reached 61 as a re-issue in 1990.

>Tim Deluxe #71,

Featuring Simon Franks from the Audiobullys, but despite the big dance hits 
they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.

> Bonde Do Role #75

I wasn't actually expecting this to stay in the Top 75, so I gave away most 
of what I knew in the midweeks thread.
Apparently it's pronounced "bonge de her-lay".

> Albums
> ------
> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, by 
> topping the album chart instead.

Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album, 
which probably sums it up.
It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially released 
in the US apparently.

> NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7,

Long-awaited third solo album, featuring collaborations with former B-52 
Fred Schneider and bandmate-in-law Dan Gillespie Sells.
After the seemingly fumbled single release, this album has got off to a good 
start. I wonder how it will do from here on?
You don't need me to tell you that the single hasn't really fallen 19 
places, do you?

>Ozzy Osbourne #8,

Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making records, 
but this is his first new one in six years. At least it is if you ignore the 
covers album he released in 2005, which is probably a good idea.
It's his first Top 10 solo set since The Ultimate Sin in 1986, for some 
reason.

> Cribs #13,

"Men's Needs, Women's Needs, Whatever" is an awful title for an album, even 
one that includes tracks called 'Men's Needs' and 'Women's Needs'.
It's the third album from the brothers Jarman, recorded largely in Canada 
for some reason, produced by Alex Kapranos and featuring a guest monologue 
from Sonic Youth guitarist Lee Ronaldo. Commercially, it's a big 
breakthrough, their first-ever Top 75 album.

> Hellogoodbye #17

So what have they got that Gym Class Heroes haven't, I wonder?
According to a review in The Fly, there are "moments where you want to kick 
the door down, eat it, and shit door-knobs and sawdust all over the place."

> New outside the top 20 : Erasure #29,

Recorded, it says here, at a private home in Maine. But it doesn't say 
whose.
A limited edition CD includes two additional tracks.

> Used #39

Serious-minded Utah rock band with their third album.
They collaborated with My Chemical Romance on a charity cover of 'Under 
Pressure' in 2005.

> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)

I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:

46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on the 
back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.
It now seems to be available as a single CD as well as the original double.

(53) Regina Spektor re-enters
(54) Take That's Ultimate Collection, currently £5 in Woolworths.
(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!
56: CANDIE PAYNE - One of her brothers used to the lead singer of The 
Stands, and another is the drummer in the Zutons. Now Candie Payne releases 
an album of her own, in something of retro style.
57: THE NATIONAL - Not the same band as Grand National, but a moody US indie 
act much beloved by Uncut magazine.
This is in fact their fourth album, presumably gaining from the good reviews 
affording to this and their previous disc Alligator.
(69) Modest Mouse. I think this might be on special offer somewhere too, and 
there's a 7" out tomorrow.

Worth noting, BTW, that Chris Cornell seems to have missed the Top 75 with 
the follow-up to his Top 10 single.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.

Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does on 
physicals though.

> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)

Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.

> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,

Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long since 
peaked.

>MIMS,

41 on downloads in case anybody missed it.

> Scissor Sisters,

That would be quite a turnaround from where 'She's My Man' went, and this is 
a less obviously "them" single. It's not even the most popular of their 
songs on download this week, and I don't think they're a massive physicals 
act.

>Twang

Will probably at least flirt with the Top 10. Hasn't done quite as well on 
downloads as I expected though.

> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,

Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt "Sozzi" 
apparently.
I notice that HMV list it as a Cascada Remix though, so all bets are off.

> LCD Soundsystem,

Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the 
Franz factor might help him out.

>Reverend & The Makers,

On the basis of that download position they'll probably beat this.

>Simply Red

As I suggested re: the mids, it's difficult to know whether the surge in 
album sales in the last couple of weeks (off the back of their London shows) 
really indicates a growth in their market that could help the single or is 
taking sales away from it. Realistically, though, I can't imagine it going 
Top 30.

> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,

Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest 
hit in a while.

>Freeform Five,

A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've 
heard the record.

> Omarion,

Certainly not a challenger for Number One, as nobody's bothering to download 
it, R&B Anthem though it may be.

>Rogue Traders

They still around then?

Also, Tiny Dancers went Top 40 last time and have had a sort of radio hit 
now. Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2 
tomorrow night.

> Albums
> ------
> Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.

Difficult to dispute that.

> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,

But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.

>Infernal,

Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release 
has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.

> Pigeon Detectives,

Yeah.

> R Kelly,

Probably, although he has an odd-shaped career.

> Ross Copperman

I doubt it, after the single flopped.

Meanwhile, though, Jeff Buckley's record company are cashing in o- sorry, 
commemorating, the tenth anniversary of his demise with a compilation album, 
although it's difficult to see who needs that.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

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In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.
>
>Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why
>even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear
>the Jay-Z version this time around.

Which I skipped ASAP!

>Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new
>physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might account
>for all the rebounders.

A lack of NE's is the main cause of that.
>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,
>
>'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
>Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever
>done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.

A surprisingly high position IMO.
>
>>R Kelly #18,
>
>A three-word song title that begins 'I'm A...' What a temptation!

Indeed. :)
>
>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>
>Outsold by their protegees this week

Who?

>, albeit not in a fair fight, and only
>four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'.
>
>BTW, I presume you've given up capitalising new entries.

I keep forgetting.
>
>>Reverend & The makers #38
>
>Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.

I don't get the appeal of this one.
>
>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>enough Akon in the charts already.

I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>
>>Tim Deluxe #71,
>
>despite the big dance hits
>they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.

I've never understood what the fuss was about 'It Just Won't Do'
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, by
>> topping the album chart instead.
>
>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>which probably sums it up.
>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially released
>in the US apparently.

Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...
>
>> NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7,
>
>Long-awaited third solo album, featuring collaborations with former B-52
>Fred Schneider and bandmate-in-law Dan Gillespie Sells.
>After the seemingly fumbled single release, this album has got off to a good
>start. I wonder how it will do from here on?

Dive, dive, dive...
>
>>Ozzy Osbourne #8,
>
>Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making records,
>but this is his first new one in six years.

Other than the chart-topping 'Changes', you mean? :)
>
>> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)
>
>I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:
>
>46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on the
>back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.

That's supposed to be a *highlight*? ;)
>
>(53) Regina Spektor re-enters

Not keen on the latest single.

>(54) Take That's Ultimate Collection, currently £5 in Woolworths.

>(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!

Not even at 4p for me. :)
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>
>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does on
>physicals though.

At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.
>
>> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
>
>Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.

I'd be surprised - IMO it's a weak first solo single.
>
>> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,
>
>Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long since
>peaked.

Which is why I didn't say top 10.
>
>> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,
>
>Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt "Sozzi"
>apparently.

Loads of plays on MTV Dance.
>
>> LCD Soundsystem,
>
>Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the
>Franz factor might help him out.

What Franz factor?
>
>> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,
>
>Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest
>hit in a while.

Other than My My My?
>
>>Freeform Five,
>
>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>heard the record.

IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>
>>Rogue Traders
>
>They still around then?

IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>
>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>tomorrow night.

Who?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.
>
>Difficult to dispute that.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,
>
>But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.

I didn't even realise this wasn't his first.
>
>>Infernal,
>
>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.

But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much 
choice if they want a physical format.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:D5PVcGBSLnWGFwBW@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.
>>
>>Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why
>>even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear
>>the Jay-Z version this time around.
>
> Which I skipped ASAP!

All his bit is at the beginning, FWIW.

>>Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new
>>physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might 
>>account
>>for all the rebounders.
>
> A lack of NE's is the main cause of that.

Especially, the shortage of big new physicals won't have drawn people into 
the shops.

>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,
>>
>>'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
>>Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever
>>done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.
>
> A surprisingly high position IMO.

Only seven places higher than their previous hit, and it's been more of a 
radio success, so this isn't staggering.

>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>
>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>
> Who?

Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.

>>, albeit not in a fair fight, and only
>>four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'.
>>
>>>Reverend & The makers #38
>>
>>Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.
>
> I don't get the appeal of this one.

Hmmm... it's quite a good bassline, though not a very original one.

>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>
> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...

I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to 
represent digital-only entries and stuff. Luckily changing the rules at the 
start of a year gives them plenty of time to figure it out.

>>>Tim Deluxe #71,
>>
>>despite the big dance hits
>>they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.
>
> I've never understood what the fuss was about 'It Just Won't Do'

I thought that one was OK, but not really enough for either him or Sam 
Obernik to make a career out of. Better than anything the Bullys ever did, 
anyway.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, 
>>> by
>>> topping the album chart instead.
>>
>>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>>which probably sums it up.
>>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially 
>>released
>>in the US apparently.
>
> Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...

Like I said, that was the US release date (June 2002, apparently). It didn't 
make it over here for a while, and didn't really trouble the UK chart until 
2004.

>>>Ozzy Osbourne #8,
>>
>>Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making 
>>records,
>>but this is his first new one in six years.
>
> Other than the chart-topping 'Changes', you mean? :)

It's his first new album since 2001.
Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer about that, but I did say I was 
excluding the cover versions.

>>> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)
>>
>>I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:
>>
>>46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on 
>>the
>>back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.
>
> That's supposed to be a *highlight*? ;)

You know what I mean, though. New and re-entries.

>>(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!
>
> Not even at 4p for me. :)

I reckoned it was worth it for 'Golden Skans' and 'Gravity's Rainbow'. I'm 
less than convinced by a lot of the rest, but at least it doesn't outstay 
its welcome.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>>
>>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does 
>>on
>>physicals though.
>
> At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.

Do we know how her earlier ones did?

>>> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
>>
>>Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.
>
> I'd be surprised - IMO it's a weak first solo single.

It is, but in such a week that might not be relevant. It's not as if she 
never got away with it in the Sugababes.

>>> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,
>>
>>Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long 
>>since
>>peaked.
>
> Which is why I didn't say top 10.

Even when he was at the peak of his fame, he only had one of those, and that 
was a cover version, so it's totally off the agenda IMO.
That said, I noticed when I looked it up last night that he's had more Top 
20 success than I remembered, so he might well make it this time after all.

>>> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,
>>
>>Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt 
>>"Sozzi"
>>apparently.
>
> Loads of plays on MTV Dance.

That figures.

>>> LCD Soundsystem,
>>
>>Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the
>>Franz factor might help him out.
>
> What Franz factor?

The maxi and one of the 7" versions include Franz Ferdinand's version of the 
song.

>>> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,
>>
>>Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest
>>hit in a while.
>
> Other than My My My?

Yeah, but I sort of don't think last year's chart entry of that one counts, 
as it was a re-working of an existing hit.

>>>Freeform Five,
>>
>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>>heard the record.
>
> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.

The record company will certainly be hoping so.
Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes 
on one download site alone.

>>>Rogue Traders
>>
>>They still around then?
>
> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.

I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has 
already passed.

>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>tomorrow night.
>
> Who?

Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' to 
promote bingo. Seems to have attracted a lot of interest from people who 
should know better.
This is the sort of cover that would tempt me to download the original if I 
hadn't already got three versions of it.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,
>>
>>But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.
>
> I didn't even realise this wasn't his first.

I think this is his third, although it's tough to keep track.

>>>Infernal,
>>
>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>
> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much choice 
> if they want a physical format.

Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people 
actually do want a physical copy of that song. Minus the people who wanted 
it enough to pay £2:99 but not £10:99 or however much the album goes for.

    Chris

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:D5PVcGBSLnWGFwBW@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, 
>>> by
>>> topping the album chart instead.
>>
>>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>>which probably sums it up.
>>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially 
>>released
>>in the US apparently.
>
> Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...

Roughly 3 years since the UK release (debut single 'Harder to Breathe' was 
released Jan 2004 over here, it all went downhill from there). Is he still 
whining about his ex-girlfriend in all the songs then?

-- 
Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>
>>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>>
>>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>>
>> Who?
>
>Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.

Why not?
>
>>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>>
>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>
>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to
>represent digital-only entries and stuff.

Good point.

>Luckily changing the rules at the
>start of a year gives them plenty of time to figure it out.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>>>
>>>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does
>>>on
>>>physicals though.
>>
>> At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.
>
>Do we know how her earlier ones did?

I dare say it'll be in music week.
>
>>>>Freeform Five,
>>>
>>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>>>heard the record.
>>
>> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>
>The record company will certainly be hoping so.
>Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes
>on one download site alone.
>
How do you know they were all different - the record company could be 
pulling a fast one... :)

>>>>Rogue Traders
>>>
>>>They still around then?
>>
>> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>
>I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has
>already passed.

IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song, 
period.
>
>>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>>tomorrow night.
>>
>> Who?
>
>Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' to
>promote bingo.

Old people - like the original members of The Who, for example? :)
>
>>>>Infernal,
>>>
>>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>>
>> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much choice
>> if they want a physical format.
>
>Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people
>actually do want a physical copy of that song.

I did!

> Minus the people who wanted
>it enough to pay £2:99 but not £10:99 or however much the album goes for.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

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> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>>>
>>>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>>Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.
>
> Why not?

Because a six-figure number of people already have the Kaisers track on an 
album.

>>>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously 
>>>>wasn't
>>>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>>>
>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>
>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to
>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>
> Good point.

And digital re-entries, especially.

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>>Freeform Five,
>>>>
>>>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think 
>>>>I've
>>>>heard the record.
>>>
>>> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>>
>>The record company will certainly be hoping so.
>>Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes
>>on one download site alone.
>>
> How do you know they were all different - the record company could be 
> pulling a fast one... :)

For all you know, I could have listened to all the clips. I didn't though.

>>>>>Rogue Traders
>>>>
>>>>They still around then?
>>>
>>> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>>
>>I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has
>>already passed.
>
> IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song, 
> period.

Perhaps that should be the case, but you know full well it isn't. And in any 
case, all the Rogue Traders songs are reworkings of existing ones.

>>>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>>>tomorrow night.
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>>Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' 
>>to
>>promote bingo.
>
> Old people - like the original members of The Who, for example? :)

Or even derivative ones?
No, they are a bit older, but it's a good point - they're not Pete 
Townsend's generation but it isn't exactly current material.

>>>>>Infernal,
>>>>
>>>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK 
>>>>release
>>>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>>>
>>> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much 
>>> choice
>>> if they want a physical format.
>>
>>Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people
>>actually do want a physical copy of that song.
>
> I did!

OK, so that's you and three people I saw mention it on websites. Any advance 
on four?

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>
>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to
>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>
>> Good point.
>
>And digital re-entries, especially.

But those rarely affect the top 75 though.
>
>>>>>>Rogue Traders
>>
>> IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song,
>> period.
>
>Perhaps that should be the case, but you know full well it isn't. And in any
>case, all the Rogue Traders songs are reworkings of existing ones.

A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original 
material, might be interesting... :)
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> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>>
>>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how 
>>>>to
>>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>>
>>> Good point.
>>
>>And digital re-entries, especially.
>
> But those rarely affect the top 75 though.

I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really 
seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions. But 
you could do that with a single that went 68-79-74, even if the physicals 
were deleted.

>>>>>>>Rogue Traders
>>>
>>> IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song,
>>> period.
>>
>>Perhaps that should be the case, but you know full well it isn't. And in 
>>any
>>case, all the Rogue Traders songs are reworkings of existing ones.
>
> A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original 
> material, might be interesting... :)

Interesting to see, but not necessarily musically.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 30 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>>>
>>>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how
>>>>>to
>>>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Good point.
>>>
>>>And digital re-entries, especially.
>>
>> But those rarely affect the top 75 though.
>
>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really
>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.

No?
>>
>> A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original
>> material, might be interesting... :)
>
>Interesting to see, but not necessarily musically.

We need to remind everyone who moans about covers & samples, of that. :)
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
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> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 30 May 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out
>>>>>>how
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>>And digital re-entries, especially.
>>>
>>> But those rarely affect the top 75 though.
>>
>>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really
>>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.
>
> No?

Hmm... well, it certainly wouldn't make sense to associate it with the 1991 
release, because most of the people downloading it this time probably don't 
even know that happened. You might associate it with the 1966 original, but 
even that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Especially since the current 
Guinness format would just show this as an eleventh week with a little (RE) 
after it.

>>> A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original
>>> material, might be interesting... :)
>>
>>Interesting to see, but not necessarily musically.
>
> We need to remind everyone who moans about covers & samples, of that. :)

Even Oasis have used samples you know.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>
>>>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really
>>>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.
>>
>> No?
>
>Hmm... well, it certainly wouldn't make sense to associate it with the 1991
>release, because most of the people downloading it this time probably don't
>even know that happened. You might associate it with the 1966 original, but
>even that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Especially since the current
>Guinness format would just show this as an eleventh week with a little (RE)
>after it.

But it wouldn't really count as a reissue, either...
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> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>>
>>>>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't
>>>>really
>>>>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.
>>>
>>> No?
>>
>>Hmm... well, it certainly wouldn't make sense to associate it with the
>>1991
>>release, because most of the people downloading it this time probably
>>don't
>>even know that happened. You might associate it with the 1966 original,
>>but
>>even that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Especially since the current
>>Guinness format would just show this as an eleventh week with a little
>>(RE)
>>after it.
>
> But it wouldn't really count as a reissue, either...

No. I suppose at a pinch you could argue for it to be a re-mix. ;-)

Mind you, the point's slightly moot as by most accounts there won't be a 
Guinness book this year anyway.

    Chris

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> Singles
> -------
> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.

Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why 
even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear 
the Jay-Z version this time around.
Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new 
physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might account 
for all the rebounders.

> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Hellogoodbye #4, Mutya #9

Only one newcomer to the Top 10 and that was last week's Number 11

> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,

'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever 
done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.

>R Kelly #18,

A three-word song title that begins 'I'm A...' What a temptation!
It seems fair to say that he no longer has the profile he had even a few 
years ago, perhaps because his place seems to have been taken by Ne-Yo, at 
least musically.

>Kaiser Chiefs #19,

Outsold by their protegees this week, albeit not in a fair fight, and only 
four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'. This is now their smallest hit 
since the original release of 'I Predict A Riot' in 2004.
Isn't 'Everything Is Average Nowadays' rather a fate-tempting title? The 
song has a tiny bit more substance to it than 'Ruby', and there's some nice 
lyrical imagery in the chorus, but it hardly compares with their best 
material.

>Dizzee Rascal #20

It's four years now since he won the Mercury Prize, and about two-and-a-half 
since the rather dubious 'Dream' that was supposed to make him into a 
mainstream star, but if anything had the opposite effect.
Now he's back with the first single from his third album, but whether by 
accident or design it's been a bit lower-key this time. In that context a 
Top 20 hit is actually quite an achievement.
Interestingly, the album is to be a digital-only release in the US.

BTW, I presume you've given up capitalising new entries.

> Top 40 : Twang #33,

Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.

>Reverend & The makers #38

Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.

> New outside the top 40 : Lloyd #66,

Out tomorrow on CD & 12".

*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't 
enough Akon in the charts already.

*70: The Rolling Stones - This is the superb 'Paint It, Black', the sixth of 
their eight UK chart-toppers, which perhaps surprisingly only managed a 
single week at the top in 1966.
It also reached 61 as a re-issue in 1990.

>Tim Deluxe #71,

Featuring Simon Franks from the Audiobullys, but despite the big dance hits 
they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.

> Bonde Do Role #75

I wasn't actually expecting this to stay in the Top 75, so I gave away most 
of what I knew in the midweeks thread.
Apparently it's pronounced "bonge de her-lay".

> Albums
> ------
> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, by 
> topping the album chart instead.

Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album, 
which probably sums it up.
It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially released 
in the US apparently.

> NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7,

Long-awaited third solo album, featuring collaborations with former B-52 
Fred Schneider and bandmate-in-law Dan Gillespie Sells.
After the seemingly fumbled single release, this album has got off to a good 
start. I wonder how it will do from here on?
You don't need me to tell you that the single hasn't really fallen 19 
places, do you?

>Ozzy Osbourne #8,

Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making records, 
but this is his first new one in six years. At least it is if you ignore the 
covers album he released in 2005, which is probably a good idea.
It's his first Top 10 solo set since The Ultimate Sin in 1986, for some 
reason.

> Cribs #13,

"Men's Needs, Women's Needs, Whatever" is an awful title for an album, even 
one that includes tracks called 'Men's Needs' and 'Women's Needs'.
It's the third album from the brothers Jarman, recorded largely in Canada 
for some reason, produced by Alex Kapranos and featuring a guest monologue 
from Sonic Youth guitarist Lee Ronaldo. Commercially, it's a big 
breakthrough, their first-ever Top 75 album.

> Hellogoodbye #17

So what have they got that Gym Class Heroes haven't, I wonder?
According to a review in The Fly, there are "moments where you want to kick 
the door down, eat it, and shit door-knobs and sawdust all over the place."

> New outside the top 20 : Erasure #29,

Recorded, it says here, at a private home in Maine. But it doesn't say 
whose.
A limited edition CD includes two additional tracks.

> Used #39

Serious-minded Utah rock band with their third album.
They collaborated with My Chemical Romance on a charity cover of 'Under 
Pressure' in 2005.

> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)

I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:

46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on the 
back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.
It now seems to be available as a single CD as well as the original double.

(53) Regina Spektor re-enters
(54) Take That's Ultimate Collection, currently £5 in Woolworths.
(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!
56: CANDIE PAYNE - One of her brothers used to the lead singer of The 
Stands, and another is the drummer in the Zutons. Now Candie Payne releases 
an album of her own, in something of retro style.
57: THE NATIONAL - Not the same band as Grand National, but a moody US indie 
act much beloved by Uncut magazine.
This is in fact their fourth album, presumably gaining from the good reviews 
affording to this and their previous disc Alligator.
(69) Modest Mouse. I think this might be on special offer somewhere too, and 
there's a 7" out tomorrow.

Worth noting, BTW, that Chris Cornell seems to have missed the Top 75 with 
the follow-up to his Top 10 single.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.

Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does on 
physicals though.

> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)

Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.

> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,

Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long since 
peaked.

>MIMS,

41 on downloads in case anybody missed it.

> Scissor Sisters,

That would be quite a turnaround from where 'She's My Man' went, and this is 
a less obviously "them" single. It's not even the most popular of their 
songs on download this week, and I don't think they're a massive physicals 
act.

>Twang

Will probably at least flirt with the Top 10. Hasn't done quite as well on 
downloads as I expected though.

> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,

Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt "Sozzi" 
apparently.
I notice that HMV list it as a Cascada Remix though, so all bets are off.

> LCD Soundsystem,

Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the 
Franz factor might help him out.

>Reverend & The Makers,

On the basis of that download position they'll probably beat this.

>Simply Red

As I suggested re: the mids, it's difficult to know whether the surge in 
album sales in the last couple of weeks (off the back of their London shows) 
really indicates a growth in their market that could help the single or is 
taking sales away from it. Realistically, though, I can't imagine it going 
Top 30.

> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,

Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest 
hit in a while.

>Freeform Five,

A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've 
heard the record.

> Omarion,

Certainly not a challenger for Number One, as nobody's bothering to download 
it, R&B Anthem though it may be.

>Rogue Traders

They still around then?

Also, Tiny Dancers went Top 40 last time and have had a sort of radio hit 
now. Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2 
tomorrow night.

> Albums
> ------
> Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.

Difficult to dispute that.

> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,

But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.

>Infernal,

Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release 
has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.

> Pigeon Detectives,

Yeah.

> R Kelly,

Probably, although he has an odd-shaped career.

> Ross Copperman

I doubt it, after the single flopped.

Meanwhile, though, Jeff Buckley's record company are cashing in o- sorry, 
commemorating, the tenth anniversary of his demise with a compilation album, 
although it's difficult to see who needs that.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

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In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.
>
>Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why
>even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear
>the Jay-Z version this time around.

Which I skipped ASAP!

>Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new
>physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might account
>for all the rebounders.

A lack of NE's is the main cause of that.
>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,
>
>'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
>Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever
>done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.

A surprisingly high position IMO.
>
>>R Kelly #18,
>
>A three-word song title that begins 'I'm A...' What a temptation!

Indeed. :)
>
>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>
>Outsold by their protegees this week

Who?

>, albeit not in a fair fight, and only
>four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'.
>
>BTW, I presume you've given up capitalising new entries.

I keep forgetting.
>
>>Reverend & The makers #38
>
>Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.

I don't get the appeal of this one.
>
>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>enough Akon in the charts already.

I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>
>>Tim Deluxe #71,
>
>despite the big dance hits
>they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.

I've never understood what the fuss was about 'It Just Won't Do'
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, by
>> topping the album chart instead.
>
>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>which probably sums it up.
>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially released
>in the US apparently.

Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...
>
>> NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7,
>
>Long-awaited third solo album, featuring collaborations with former B-52
>Fred Schneider and bandmate-in-law Dan Gillespie Sells.
>After the seemingly fumbled single release, this album has got off to a good
>start. I wonder how it will do from here on?

Dive, dive, dive...
>
>>Ozzy Osbourne #8,
>
>Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making records,
>but this is his first new one in six years.

Other than the chart-topping 'Changes', you mean? :)
>
>> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)
>
>I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:
>
>46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on the
>back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.

That's supposed to be a *highlight*? ;)
>
>(53) Regina Spektor re-enters

Not keen on the latest single.

>(54) Take That's Ultimate Collection, currently £5 in Woolworths.

>(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!

Not even at 4p for me. :)
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>
>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does on
>physicals though.

At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.
>
>> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
>
>Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.

I'd be surprised - IMO it's a weak first solo single.
>
>> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,
>
>Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long since
>peaked.

Which is why I didn't say top 10.
>
>> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,
>
>Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt "Sozzi"
>apparently.

Loads of plays on MTV Dance.
>
>> LCD Soundsystem,
>
>Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the
>Franz factor might help him out.

What Franz factor?
>
>> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,
>
>Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest
>hit in a while.

Other than My My My?
>
>>Freeform Five,
>
>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>heard the record.

IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>
>>Rogue Traders
>
>They still around then?

IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>
>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>tomorrow night.

Who?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.
>
>Difficult to dispute that.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,
>
>But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.

I didn't even realise this wasn't his first.
>
>>Infernal,
>
>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.

But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much 
choice if they want a physical format.
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.
>>
>>Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why
>>even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear
>>the Jay-Z version this time around.
>
> Which I skipped ASAP!

All his bit is at the beginning, FWIW.

>>Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new
>>physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might 
>>account
>>for all the rebounders.
>
> A lack of NE's is the main cause of that.

Especially, the shortage of big new physicals won't have drawn people into 
the shops.

>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,
>>
>>'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
>>Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever
>>done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.
>
> A surprisingly high position IMO.

Only seven places higher than their previous hit, and it's been more of a 
radio success, so this isn't staggering.

>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>
>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>
> Who?

Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.

>>, albeit not in a fair fight, and only
>>four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'.
>>
>>>Reverend & The makers #38
>>
>>Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.
>
> I don't get the appeal of this one.

Hmmm... it's quite a good bassline, though not a very original one.

>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>
> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...

I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to 
represent digital-only entries and stuff. Luckily changing the rules at the 
start of a year gives them plenty of time to figure it out.

>>>Tim Deluxe #71,
>>
>>despite the big dance hits
>>they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.
>
> I've never understood what the fuss was about 'It Just Won't Do'

I thought that one was OK, but not really enough for either him or Sam 
Obernik to make a career out of. Better than anything the Bullys ever did, 
anyway.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, 
>>> by
>>> topping the album chart instead.
>>
>>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>>which probably sums it up.
>>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially 
>>released
>>in the US apparently.
>
> Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...

Like I said, that was the US release date (June 2002, apparently). It didn't 
make it over here for a while, and didn't really trouble the UK chart until 
2004.

>>>Ozzy Osbourne #8,
>>
>>Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making 
>>records,
>>but this is his first new one in six years.
>
> Other than the chart-topping 'Changes', you mean? :)

It's his first new album since 2001.
Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer about that, but I did say I was 
excluding the cover versions.

>>> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)
>>
>>I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:
>>
>>46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on 
>>the
>>back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.
>
> That's supposed to be a *highlight*? ;)

You know what I mean, though. New and re-entries.

>>(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!
>
> Not even at 4p for me. :)

I reckoned it was worth it for 'Golden Skans' and 'Gravity's Rainbow'. I'm 
less than convinced by a lot of the rest, but at least it doesn't outstay 
its welcome.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>>
>>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does 
>>on
>>physicals though.
>
> At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.

Do we know how her earlier ones did?

>>> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
>>
>>Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.
>
> I'd be surprised - IMO it's a weak first solo single.

It is, but in such a week that might not be relevant. It's not as if she 
never got away with it in the Sugababes.

>>> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,
>>
>>Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long 
>>since
>>peaked.
>
> Which is why I didn't say top 10.

Even when he was at the peak of his fame, he only had one of those, and that 
was a cover version, so it's totally off the agenda IMO.
That said, I noticed when I looked it up last night that he's had more Top 
20 success than I remembered, so he might well make it this time after all.

>>> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,
>>
>>Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt 
>>"Sozzi"
>>apparently.
>
> Loads of plays on MTV Dance.

That figures.

>>> LCD Soundsystem,
>>
>>Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the
>>Franz factor might help him out.
>
> What Franz factor?

The maxi and one of the 7" versions include Franz Ferdinand's version of the 
song.

>>> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,
>>
>>Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest
>>hit in a while.
>
> Other than My My My?

Yeah, but I sort of don't think last year's chart entry of that one counts, 
as it was a re-working of an existing hit.

>>>Freeform Five,
>>
>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>>heard the record.
>
> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.

The record company will certainly be hoping so.
Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes 
on one download site alone.

>>>Rogue Traders
>>
>>They still around then?
>
> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.

I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has 
already passed.

>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>tomorrow night.
>
> Who?

Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' to 
promote bingo. Seems to have attracted a lot of interest from people who 
should know better.
This is the sort of cover that would tempt me to download the original if I 
hadn't already got three versions of it.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,
>>
>>But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.
>
> I didn't even realise this wasn't his first.

I think this is his third, although it's tough to keep track.

>>>Infernal,
>>
>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>
> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much choice 
> if they want a physical format.

Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people 
actually do want a physical copy of that song. Minus the people who wanted 
it enough to pay £2:99 but not £10:99 or however much the album goes for.

    Chris

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:D5PVcGBSLnWGFwBW@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, 
>>> by
>>> topping the album chart instead.
>>
>>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>>which probably sums it up.
>>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially 
>>released
>>in the US apparently.
>
> Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...

Roughly 3 years since the UK release (debut single 'Harder to Breathe' was 
released Jan 2004 over here, it all went downhill from there). Is he still 
whining about his ex-girlfriend in all the songs then?

-- 
Rich Mackin (rich-at-richmackin-co-uk)
MSN: richmackin-at-hotmail-dot-com

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>
>>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>>
>>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>>
>> Who?
>
>Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.

Why not?
>
>>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>>
>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>
>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to
>represent digital-only entries and stuff.

Good point.

>Luckily changing the rules at the
>start of a year gives them plenty of time to figure it out.
>
>>>> Next Week
>>>> ---------
>>>> Singles
>>>> -------
>>>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>>>
>>>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does
>>>on
>>>physicals though.
>>
>> At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.
>
>Do we know how her earlier ones did?

I dare say it'll be in music week.
>
>>>>Freeform Five,
>>>
>>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>>>heard the record.
>>
>> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>
>The record company will certainly be hoping so.
>Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes
>on one download site alone.
>
How do you know they were all different - the record company could be 
pulling a fast one... :)

>>>>Rogue Traders
>>>
>>>They still around then?
>>
>> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>
>I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has
>already passed.

IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song, 
period.
>
>>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>>tomorrow night.
>>
>> Who?
>
>Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' to
>promote bingo.

Old people - like the original members of The Who, for example? :)
>
>>>>Infernal,
>>>
>>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>>
>> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much choice
>> if they want a physical format.
>
>Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people
>actually do want a physical copy of that song.

I did!

> Minus the people who wanted
>it enough to pay £2:99 but not £10:99 or however much the album goes for.
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:CORlxdFoMxWGFwCm@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>
>>>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>>>
>>>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>>Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.
>
> Why not?

Because a six-figure number of people already have the Kaisers track on an 
album.

>>>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously 
>>>>wasn't
>>>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>>>
>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>
>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to
>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>
> Good point.

And digital re-entries, especially.

>>>>> Next Week
>>>>> ---------
>>>>> Singles
>>>>> -------
>>>>>Freeform Five,
>>>>
>>>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think 
>>>>I've
>>>>heard the record.
>>>
>>> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>>
>>The record company will certainly be hoping so.
>>Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes
>>on one download site alone.
>>
> How do you know they were all different - the record company could be 
> pulling a fast one... :)

For all you know, I could have listened to all the clips. I didn't though.

>>>>>Rogue Traders
>>>>
>>>>They still around then?
>>>
>>> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>>
>>I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has
>>already passed.
>
> IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song, 
> period.

Perhaps that should be the case, but you know full well it isn't. And in any 
case, all the Rogue Traders songs are reworkings of existing ones.

>>>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>>>tomorrow night.
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>>Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' 
>>to
>>promote bingo.
>
> Old people - like the original members of The Who, for example? :)

Or even derivative ones?
No, they are a bit older, but it's a good point - they're not Pete 
Townsend's generation but it isn't exactly current material.

>>>>>Infernal,
>>>>
>>>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK 
>>>>release
>>>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>>>
>>> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much 
>>> choice
>>> if they want a physical format.
>>
>>Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people
>>actually do want a physical copy of that song.
>
> I did!

OK, so that's you and three people I saw mention it on websites. Any advance 
on four?

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>
>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>> -------
>>>>
>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>
>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to
>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>
>> Good point.
>
>And digital re-entries, especially.

But those rarely affect the top 75 though.
>
>>>>>>Rogue Traders
>>
>> IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song,
>> period.
>
>Perhaps that should be the case, but you know full well it isn't. And in any
>case, all the Rogue Traders songs are reworkings of existing ones.

A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original 
material, might be interesting... :)
-- 
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:GDU0iQG878WGFwyw@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Mon, 28 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singles
>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>>
>>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how 
>>>>to
>>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>>
>>> Good point.
>>
>>And digital re-entries, especially.
>
> But those rarely affect the top 75 though.

I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really 
seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions. But 
you could do that with a single that went 68-79-74, even if the physicals 
were deleted.

>>>>>>>Rogue Traders
>>>
>>> IMO it shouldn't be about the artist - IMO a good song is a good song,
>>> period.
>>
>>Perhaps that should be the case, but you know full well it isn't. And in 
>>any
>>case, all the Rogue Traders songs are reworkings of existing ones.
>
> A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original 
> material, might be interesting... :)

Interesting to see, but not necessarily musically.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Wed, 30 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>>>
>>>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how
>>>>>to
>>>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Good point.
>>>
>>>And digital re-entries, especially.
>>
>> But those rarely affect the top 75 though.
>
>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really
>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.

No?
>>
>> A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original
>> material, might be interesting... :)
>
>Interesting to see, but not necessarily musically.

We need to remind everyone who moans about covers & samples, of that. :)
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
news:q4fPc+HWMnXGFwsd@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Wed, 30 May 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out
>>>>>>how
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>represent digital-only entries and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point.
>>>>
>>>>And digital re-entries, especially.
>>>
>>> But those rarely affect the top 75 though.
>>
>>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really
>>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.
>
> No?

Hmm... well, it certainly wouldn't make sense to associate it with the 1991 
release, because most of the people downloading it this time probably don't 
even know that happened. You might associate it with the 1966 original, but 
even that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Especially since the current 
Guinness format would just show this as an eleventh week with a little (RE) 
after it.

>>> A chart without any covers/samples etc, i.e. containing *only* original
>>> material, might be interesting... :)
>>
>>Interesting to see, but not necessarily musically.
>
> We need to remind everyone who moans about covers & samples, of that. :)

Even Oasis have used samples you know.

    Chris

In uk.music.charts on Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :
>>>
>>>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't really
>>>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.
>>
>> No?
>
>Hmm... well, it certainly wouldn't make sense to associate it with the 1991
>release, because most of the people downloading it this time probably don't
>even know that happened. You might associate it with the 1966 original, but
>even that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Especially since the current
>Guinness format would just show this as an eleventh week with a little (RE)
>after it.

But it wouldn't really count as a reissue, either...
-- 
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"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message
news:3+IotrH1URYGFw3y@blueyonder.co.uk...
> In uk.music.charts on Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Chris Brown
>  wrote :
>>>>
>>>>I had in mind things like the Rolling Stones this week - it doesn't
>>>>really
>>>>seem sensible to count that as a re-entry of the 1966 or 1991 versions.
>>>
>>> No?
>>
>>Hmm... well, it certainly wouldn't make sense to associate it with the
>>1991
>>release, because most of the people downloading it this time probably
>>don't
>>even know that happened. You might associate it with the 1966 original,
>>but
>>even that doesn't quite seem to fit the bill. Especially since the current
>>Guinness format would just show this as an eleventh week with a little
>>(RE)
>>after it.
>
> But it wouldn't really count as a reissue, either...

No. I suppose at a pinch you could argue for it to be a re-mix. ;-)

Mind you, the point's slightly moot as by most accounts there won't be a 
Guinness book this year anyway.

    Chris

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
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> Singles
> -------
> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.

Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why 
even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear 
the Jay-Z version this time around.
Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new 
physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might account 
for all the rebounders.

> New Entries/Climbers
> --------------------
> Top 10 : Hellogoodbye #4, Mutya #9

Only one newcomer to the Top 10 and that was last week's Number 11

> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,

'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever 
done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.

>R Kelly #18,

A three-word song title that begins 'I'm A...' What a temptation!
It seems fair to say that he no longer has the profile he had even a few 
years ago, perhaps because his place seems to have been taken by Ne-Yo, at 
least musically.

>Kaiser Chiefs #19,

Outsold by their protegees this week, albeit not in a fair fight, and only 
four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'. This is now their smallest hit 
since the original release of 'I Predict A Riot' in 2004.
Isn't 'Everything Is Average Nowadays' rather a fate-tempting title? The 
song has a tiny bit more substance to it than 'Ruby', and there's some nice 
lyrical imagery in the chorus, but it hardly compares with their best 
material.

>Dizzee Rascal #20

It's four years now since he won the Mercury Prize, and about two-and-a-half 
since the rather dubious 'Dream' that was supposed to make him into a 
mainstream star, but if anything had the opposite effect.
Now he's back with the first single from his third album, but whether by 
accident or design it's been a bit lower-key this time. In that context a 
Top 20 hit is actually quite an achievement.
Interestingly, the album is to be a digital-only release in the US.

BTW, I presume you've given up capitalising new entries.

> Top 40 : Twang #33,

Out tomorrow on CD & 7"s.

>Reverend & The makers #38

Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.

> New outside the top 40 : Lloyd #66,

Out tomorrow on CD & 12".

*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't 
enough Akon in the charts already.

*70: The Rolling Stones - This is the superb 'Paint It, Black', the sixth of 
their eight UK chart-toppers, which perhaps surprisingly only managed a 
single week at the top in 1966.
It also reached 61 as a re-issue in 1990.

>Tim Deluxe #71,

Featuring Simon Franks from the Audiobullys, but despite the big dance hits 
they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.

> Bonde Do Role #75

I wasn't actually expecting this to stay in the Top 75, so I gave away most 
of what I knew in the midweeks thread.
Apparently it's pronounced "bonge de her-lay".

> Albums
> ------
> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, by 
> topping the album chart instead.

Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album, 
which probably sums it up.
It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially released 
in the US apparently.

> NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7,

Long-awaited third solo album, featuring collaborations with former B-52 
Fred Schneider and bandmate-in-law Dan Gillespie Sells.
After the seemingly fumbled single release, this album has got off to a good 
start. I wonder how it will do from here on?
You don't need me to tell you that the single hasn't really fallen 19 
places, do you?

>Ozzy Osbourne #8,

Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making records, 
but this is his first new one in six years. At least it is if you ignore the 
covers album he released in 2005, which is probably a good idea.
It's his first Top 10 solo set since The Ultimate Sin in 1986, for some 
reason.

> Cribs #13,

"Men's Needs, Women's Needs, Whatever" is an awful title for an album, even 
one that includes tracks called 'Men's Needs' and 'Women's Needs'.
It's the third album from the brothers Jarman, recorded largely in Canada 
for some reason, produced by Alex Kapranos and featuring a guest monologue 
from Sonic Youth guitarist Lee Ronaldo. Commercially, it's a big 
breakthrough, their first-ever Top 75 album.

> Hellogoodbye #17

So what have they got that Gym Class Heroes haven't, I wonder?
According to a review in The Fly, there are "moments where you want to kick 
the door down, eat it, and shit door-knobs and sawdust all over the place."

> New outside the top 20 : Erasure #29,

Recorded, it says here, at a private home in Maine. But it doesn't say 
whose.
A limited edition CD includes two additional tracks.

> Used #39

Serious-minded Utah rock band with their third album.
They collaborated with My Chemical Romance on a charity cover of 'Under 
Pressure' in 2005.

> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)

I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:

46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on the 
back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.
It now seems to be available as a single CD as well as the original double.

(53) Regina Spektor re-enters
(54) Take That's Ultimate Collection, currently £5 in Woolworths.
(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!
56: CANDIE PAYNE - One of her brothers used to the lead singer of The 
Stands, and another is the drummer in the Zutons. Now Candie Payne releases 
an album of her own, in something of retro style.
57: THE NATIONAL - Not the same band as Grand National, but a moody US indie 
act much beloved by Uncut magazine.
This is in fact their fourth album, presumably gaining from the good reviews 
affording to this and their previous disc Alligator.
(69) Modest Mouse. I think this might be on special offer somewhere too, and 
there's a 7" out tomorrow.

Worth noting, BTW, that Chris Cornell seems to have missed the Top 75 with 
the follow-up to his Top 10 single.

> Next Week
> ---------
> Singles
> -------
> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.

Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does on 
physicals though.

> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)

Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.

> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,

Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long since 
peaked.

>MIMS,

41 on downloads in case anybody missed it.

> Scissor Sisters,

That would be quite a turnaround from where 'She's My Man' went, and this is 
a less obviously "them" single. It's not even the most popular of their 
songs on download this week, and I don't think they're a massive physicals 
act.

>Twang

Will probably at least flirt with the Top 10. Hasn't done quite as well on 
downloads as I expected though.

> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,

Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt "Sozzi" 
apparently.
I notice that HMV list it as a Cascada Remix though, so all bets are off.

> LCD Soundsystem,

Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the 
Franz factor might help him out.

>Reverend & The Makers,

On the basis of that download position they'll probably beat this.

>Simply Red

As I suggested re: the mids, it's difficult to know whether the surge in 
album sales in the last couple of weeks (off the back of their London shows) 
really indicates a growth in their market that could help the single or is 
taking sales away from it. Realistically, though, I can't imagine it going 
Top 30.

> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,

Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest 
hit in a while.

>Freeform Five,

A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've 
heard the record.

> Omarion,

Certainly not a challenger for Number One, as nobody's bothering to download 
it, R&B Anthem though it may be.

>Rogue Traders

They still around then?

Also, Tiny Dancers went Top 40 last time and have had a sort of radio hit 
now. Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2 
tomorrow night.

> Albums
> ------
> Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.

Difficult to dispute that.

> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,

But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.

>Infernal,

Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release 
has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.

> Pigeon Detectives,

Yeah.

> R Kelly,

Probably, although he has an odd-shaped career.

> Ross Copperman

I doubt it, after the single flopped.

Meanwhile, though, Jeff Buckley's record company are cashing in o- sorry, 
commemorating, the tenth anniversary of his demise with a compilation album, 
although it's difficult to see who needs that.

    Chris
-- 
"It's always hard meeting your heroes. Especially when they punch you in the 
face."

http://thehitparade.blogspot.com

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In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
 wrote :

>> Singles
>> -------
>> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.
>
>Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why
>even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear
>the Jay-Z version this time around.

Which I skipped ASAP!

>Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new
>physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might account
>for all the rebounders.

A lack of NE's is the main cause of that.
>
>> New Entries/Climbers
>> --------------------
>> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,
>
>'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
>Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever
>done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.

A surprisingly high position IMO.
>
>>R Kelly #18,
>
>A three-word song title that begins 'I'm A...' What a temptation!

Indeed. :)
>
>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>
>Outsold by their protegees this week

Who?

>, albeit not in a fair fight, and only
>four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'.
>
>BTW, I presume you've given up capitalising new entries.

I keep forgetting.
>
>>Reverend & The makers #38
>
>Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.

I don't get the appeal of this one.
>
>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>enough Akon in the charts already.

I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...
>
>>Tim Deluxe #71,
>
>despite the big dance hits
>they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.

I've never understood what the fuss was about 'It Just Won't Do'
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, by
>> topping the album chart instead.
>
>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>which probably sums it up.
>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially released
>in the US apparently.

Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...
>
>> NE's (top 20) : Sophie Ellis Bextor 7,
>
>Long-awaited third solo album, featuring collaborations with former B-52
>Fred Schneider and bandmate-in-law Dan Gillespie Sells.
>After the seemingly fumbled single release, this album has got off to a good
>start. I wonder how it will do from here on?

Dive, dive, dive...
>
>>Ozzy Osbourne #8,
>
>Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making records,
>but this is his first new one in six years.

Other than the chart-topping 'Changes', you mean? :)
>
>> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)
>
>I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:
>
>46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on the
>back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.

That's supposed to be a *highlight*? ;)
>
>(53) Regina Spektor re-enters

Not keen on the latest single.

>(54) Take That's Ultimate Collection, currently £5 in Woolworths.

>(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!

Not even at 4p for me. :)
>
>> Next Week
>> ---------
>> Singles
>> -------
>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>
>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does on
>physicals though.

At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.
>
>> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
>
>Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.

I'd be surprised - IMO it's a weak first solo single.
>
>> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,
>
>Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long since
>peaked.

Which is why I didn't say top 10.
>
>> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,
>
>Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt "Sozzi"
>apparently.

Loads of plays on MTV Dance.
>
>> LCD Soundsystem,
>
>Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the
>Franz factor might help him out.

What Franz factor?
>
>> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,
>
>Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest
>hit in a while.

Other than My My My?
>
>>Freeform Five,
>
>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>heard the record.

IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.
>
>>Rogue Traders
>
>They still around then?

IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.
>
>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>tomorrow night.

Who?
>
>> Albums
>> ------
>> Maroon 5 should hold on at #1.
>
>Difficult to dispute that.
>
>> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,
>
>But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.

I didn't even realise this wasn't his first.
>
>>Infernal,
>
>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.

But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much 
choice if they want a physical format.
-- 
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> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Rihanna easily holds on to the #1 spot.
>>
>>Yeah, it was never really in contention this week, which is presumably why
>>even JK & J didn't pretend to be excited about it. At least we got to hear
>>the Jay-Z version this time around.
>
> Which I skipped ASAP!

All his bit is at the beginning, FWIW.

>>Still makes for a bit of a boring chart though, and without many big new
>>physicals I suspect sales haven't been great this week. Which might 
>>account
>>for all the rebounders.
>
> A lack of NE's is the main cause of that.

Especially, the shortage of big new physicals won't have drawn people into 
the shops.

>>> New Entries/Climbers
>>> --------------------
>>> Top 20 : Pigeon Detectives #12,
>>
>>'I'm Not Sorry'? Maybe they should be.
>>Third Top 40 hit for the Yorkshiremen. Not the worst thing they've ever
>>done, but still a band I find exceedingly charmless.
>
> A surprisingly high position IMO.

Only seven places higher than their previous hit, and it's been more of a 
radio success, so this isn't staggering.

>>>Kaiser Chiefs #19,
>>
>>Outsold by their protegees this week
>
> Who?

Pigeon Detectives. As I say, it's not a totally fair fight.

>>, albeit not in a fair fight, and only
>>four places ahead of their months-old 'Ruby'.
>>
>>>Reverend & The makers #38
>>
>>Also on physicals tomorrow, as we know.
>
> I don't get the appeal of this one.

Hmmm... it's quite a good bassline, though not a very original one.

>>*69: Bone Thugs N Harmony featuring Akon - because there obviously wasn't
>>enough Akon in the charts already.
>
> I bet Guinness are cursing these 'rapper-multi-credit' singles...

I should imagine their biggest concern at the moment is working out how to 
represent digital-only entries and stuff. Luckily changing the rules at the 
start of a year gives them plenty of time to figure it out.

>>>Tim Deluxe #71,
>>
>>despite the big dance hits
>>they've had in the past not many people seem to have been interested.
>
> I've never understood what the fuss was about 'It Just Won't Do'

I thought that one was OK, but not really enough for either him or Sam 
Obernik to make a career out of. Better than anything the Bullys ever did, 
anyway.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Maroon 5 relieve their disappointment at missing out on the singles #1, 
>>> by
>>> topping the album chart instead.
>>
>>Inevitably so. I actually forgot to predraft anything about this album,
>>which probably sums it up.
>>It's almost exactly five years since Songs About Jane was initially 
>>released
>>in the US apparently.
>
> Ha it been that long? It only seems like 3 years...

Like I said, that was the US release date (June 2002, apparently). It didn't 
make it over here for a while, and didn't really trouble the UK chart until 
2004.

>>>Ozzy Osbourne #8,
>>
>>Easy as it is to forget, Ozzy Osbourne used to be famous for making 
>>records,
>>but this is his first new one in six years.
>
> Other than the chart-topping 'Changes', you mean? :)

It's his first new album since 2001.
Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer about that, but I did say I was 
excluding the cover versions.

>>> (I don't have positions above #40 yet)
>>
>>I shan't detain you with all 35 of them, but here are a few highlights:
>>
>>46: SUPERTRAMP - Re-releasing 2005's oddly successful Retrospectacle on 
>>the
>>back of the Gym Class Heroes hit.
>
> That's supposed to be a *highlight*? ;)

You know what I mean, though. New and re-entries.

>>(55) Klaxons, now £4 there. At that price even I had to buy it!
>
> Not even at 4p for me. :)

I reckoned it was worth it for 'Golden Skans' and 'Gravity's Rainbow'. I'm 
less than convinced by a lot of the rest, but at least it doesn't outstay 
its welcome.

>>> Next Week
>>> ---------
>>> Singles
>>> -------
>>> Rihanna should increase her lead even further, now that her CD is out.
>>
>>Pretty much inevitable. It might be interesting to see how well this does 
>>on
>>physicals though.
>
> At least as many as downloads, I'd have thought.

Do we know how her earlier ones did?

>>> Top 10 : Mutya (duh). :)
>>
>>Could well go as high as 2, given the fairly light competition.
>
> I'd be surprised - IMO it's a weak first solo single.

It is, but in such a week that might not be relevant. It's not as if she 
never got away with it in the Sugababes.

>>> Top 20 : Marilyn Manson,
>>
>>Maybe, although I do get the impression that interest in him has long 
>>since
>>peaked.
>
> Which is why I didn't say top 10.

Even when he was at the peak of his fame, he only had one of those, and that 
was a cover version, so it's totally off the agenda IMO.
That said, I noticed when I looked it up last night that he's had more Top 
20 success than I remembered, so he might well make it this time after all.

>>> Top 30 : Kim Sozzy,
>>
>>Had to Google this one, which isn't usually a good sign. It's spelt 
>>"Sozzi"
>>apparently.
>
> Loads of plays on MTV Dance.

That figures.

>>> LCD Soundsystem,
>>
>>Looking at his past track record, I wouldn't always have agreed, but the
>>Franz factor might help him out.
>
> What Franz factor?

The maxi and one of the 7" versions include Franz Ferdinand's version of the 
song.

>>> Top 40 : Armand Van Helden,
>>
>>Already at 45 on downloads, which implies that it could become his biggest
>>hit in a while.
>
> Other than My My My?

Yeah, but I sort of don't think last year's chart entry of that one counts, 
as it was a re-working of an existing hit.

>>>Freeform Five,
>>
>>A name that seems to have been around for a while, but I don't think I've
>>heard the record.
>
> IT ought to do better than the #123 it struggled to last time, though.

The record company will certainly be hoping so.
Certainly no shortage of versions out there - I counted 12 different mixes 
on one download site alone.

>>>Rogue Traders
>>
>>They still around then?
>
> IMO it's a great song which deserves top 10 at least.

I'm open to correction, but I get the feeling interest in them here has 
already passed.

>>Novelty record warning: The Zimmers have their own documentary on BBC 2
>>tomorrow night.
>
> Who?

Large number of old people who've done a cover version of 'My Generation' to 
promote bingo. Seems to have attracted a lot of interest from people who 
should know better.
This is the sort of cover that would tempt me to download the original if I 
hadn't already got three versions of it.

>>> Albums
>>> ------
>>> Top 20 NE : Bob Sinclar,
>>
>>But his last album had loads of hits on it and never even made the Top 75.
>
> I didn't even realise this wasn't his first.

I think this is his third, although it's tough to keep track.

>>>Infernal,
>>
>>Not a suggestion I'd even have entertained before Cascada of course.
>>Now it does seem possible, but it's hard not to think that the UK release
>>has been left a bit late - it's almost a year since the big single.
>
> But if the latest single isn't out on CD, then fans won't have much choice 
> if they want a physical format.

Not much choice, but that leaves open the question of how many people 
actually do want a physical copy of that song. Minus the people who wanted 
it enough to pay £2:99 but not £10:99 or however much the album goes for.

    Chris

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> In uk.music.charts on Sun, 27 May 2007, Chris Brown 
>  wrote :
>>> Maroo