I got fed up with version 3 and have managed, by a no doubt
injudicious combination of uninstalling and system restoring, to have
reached a point where I can't get it to work at all.

I've uninstalled again and downloaded 2.0.0.14 again from the Mozilla
site, but that won't open, either. Am I reduced to IE for ever?

Help!

-- 
Jo

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:37:46 +0200, Jo Lonergan wrote:

> I got fed up with version 3 and have managed, by a no doubt injudicious
> combination of uninstalling and system restoring, to have reached a
> point where I can't get it to work at all.
> 
> I've uninstalled again and downloaded 2.0.0.14 again from the Mozilla
> site, but that won't open, either. Am I reduced to IE for ever?
> 
> Help!

You should be able to find a hidden folder called .mozilla or .firefox  
in your home directory. Choose 'view hidden files' in the view menu of 
your file browser (I'm assuming it's windows explorer, but this will work 
for any O/S). Delete it. You'll lose you bookmarks but may be able to re-
impot them from the recycle bin. Now fire up FF and all should be well. 
hth. Derek.

On 29 Jun 2008 18:45:18 GMT, Derek Turner  wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:37:46 +0200, Jo Lonergan wrote:
>
>> I got fed up with version 3 and have managed, by a no doubt injudicious
>> combination of uninstalling and system restoring, to have reached a
>> point where I can't get it to work at all.
>> 
>> I've uninstalled again and downloaded 2.0.0.14 again from the Mozilla
>> site, but that won't open, either. Am I reduced to IE for ever?
>> 
>> Help!
>
>You should be able to find a hidden folder called .mozilla or .firefox  
>in your home directory. Choose 'view hidden files' in the view menu of 
>your file browser (I'm assuming it's windows explorer, but this will work 
>for any O/S). Delete it. You'll lose you bookmarks but may be able to re-
>impot them from the recycle bin. Now fire up FF and all should be well. 
>hth. Derek.

Thanks Derek. Sebastian called and nobly missed the beginning of the
Big Match talking me through a solution. 

I've realised how little I use the bookmarks I do have, apart from the
few on the bookmark bar and the cuter videos (but I can remember that
the cat's name was Nora, so all is not lost.

And I'm back with 2.0.0.14, and have learned the lesson that you
should always install a trial version first.

-- 
Jo

Jo Lonergan   wrote:
> Thanks Derek. Sebastian called and nobly missed the beginning of the
> Big Match talking me through a solution. 

The match was quite an anti-climax actually, wasn't it? Predictable
result (and the winning team thoroughly deserved it, so I'm fine with
it, also it's good not to have streets filled with celebrating fans),
but more importantly, hardly any entertaining football from either side.
Apparently I missed the Germans' best time early in the game but still,
it can't have been that different.

> I've realised how little I use the bookmarks I do have, apart from the
> few on the bookmark bar and the cuter videos (but I can remember that
> the cat's name was Nora, so all is not lost.

You'll easily find Nora again. Have you also seen the sitar-playing cat?
She's even called Shakti.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Ho0Y_N0FA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4miIyamF46s

Maybe UMRA will become your bookmarks storage space. :-)

Sebastian

On 29 Jun 2008 21:52:52 GMT, Sebastian Lisken
 wrote:

>Jo Lonergan   wrote:
>> Thanks Derek. Sebastian called and nobly missed the beginning of the
>> Big Match talking me through a solution. 
>
>The match was quite an anti-climax actually, wasn't it? Predictable
>result (and the winning team thoroughly deserved it, so I'm fine with
>it, also it's good not to have streets filled with celebrating fans),
>but more importantly, hardly any entertaining football from either side.
>Apparently I missed the Germans' best time early in the game but still,
>it can't have been that different.
>
>> I've realised how little I use the bookmarks I do have, apart from the
>> few on the bookmark bar and the cuter videos (but I can remember that
>> the cat's name was Nora, so all is not lost.
>
>You'll easily find Nora again. Have you also seen the sitar-playing cat?
>She's even called Shakti.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Ho0Y_N0FA
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4miIyamF46s

LOL! I thought of John Cage, and so, it turned out, did the writer of
first comment I read. 

Shakti seems to have a more austere style than Nora, but perhaps she's
a little bit of a performer, too. That rather theatrical pause to
collect herself before addressing the instrument, for example.  I
liked the way you could see her ears reacting as the reverberations
died away. And was she constantly aiming at the same note, or is this
characteristic of the instrument?

Any more of these and I'll be getting a cat (was already thinking as I
watched, better get two to be company for each other). I was already
thinking of buying a piano.

>Maybe UMRA will become your bookmarks storage space. :-)

Usually the launching point from which future bookmarks will be
generated. I more often put vague memories into Google (Nora piano) as
it quicker than searching through the bookmarks, anyway.

-- 
Jo

In message , Jo Lonergan 
 writes
>I more often put vague memories into Google (Nora piano) as it quicker 
>than searching through the bookmarks, anyway.

I can find bookmarks very quickly because I have loads of different 
folders for them so I know exactly where to look - Shops, Books, Games, 
Media etc and because I have so many genealogy sites bookmarked I have 5 
folders for different types of genealogy site.
-- 
Jenny
"I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up."
(Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:04:10 +0100, Jenny M Benson wrote:

> In message , Jo Lonergan
>  writes
>>I more often put vague memories into Google (Nora piano) as it quicker
>>than searching through the bookmarks, anyway.
> 
> I can find bookmarks very quickly because I have loads of different
> folders for them so I know exactly where to look - Shops, Books, Games,
> Media etc and because I have so many genealogy sites bookmarked I have 5
> folders for different types of genealogy site.

I heartily recommend the Foxmarks 'add-on'. Your bookmarks are backed up 
on their server and synchronised every time you start/stop the browser. 
If you need to reinstall they are safe, if you use more than one computer 
(or more than one operating system on the same computer) then your 
bookmarks are always the same.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:04:10 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

>In message , Jo Lonergan 
> writes
>>I more often put vague memories into Google (Nora piano) as it quicker 
>>than searching through the bookmarks, anyway.
>
>I can find bookmarks very quickly because I have loads of different 
>folders for them so I know exactly where to look - Shops, Books, Games, 
>Media etc and because I have so many genealogy sites bookmarked I have 5 
>folders for different types of genealogy site.

I had similar folders (the most visited being Timewasters), but still
usually found that either beginning to type in the name of the site,
if it was one I visited often, or putting a Google search into the
address box was quicker. Of course, all the interesting household
sites I bookmarked for future reference have gone, but I rarely looked
at them, anyway.

This morning I was appalled to find a colony of ants marching through
my hall. Instant reaction: google "get rid of" and "ants". Lots of
good advice, but I resorted to the vacuum cleaner in the end. This was
soon after watching QI, on which Alan Umbrella described having the
same problem, so now I imagine they've got in through the telly. How
else, on the second floor?

-- 
Jo

On 30 Jun 2008 10:42:19 GMT, Derek Turner  wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:04:10 +0100, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> In message , Jo Lonergan
>>  writes
>>>I more often put vague memories into Google (Nora piano) as it quicker
>>>than searching through the bookmarks, anyway.
>> 
>> I can find bookmarks very quickly because I have loads of different
>> folders for them so I know exactly where to look - Shops, Books, Games,
>> Media etc and because I have so many genealogy sites bookmarked I have 5
>> folders for different types of genealogy site.
>
>I heartily recommend the Foxmarks 'add-on'. Your bookmarks are backed up 
>on their server and synchronised every time you start/stop the browser. 
>If you need to reinstall they are safe, if you use more than one computer 
>(or more than one operating system on the same computer) then your 
>bookmarks are always the same.

Good tip, thanks. I've added it on.
-- 
Jo

Derek Turner   wrote:
> I heartily recommend the Foxmarks 'add-on'. Your bookmarks are backed up 
> on their server

Meaning that they can access your bookmarks. That is something I
wouldn't do. From their privacy statement: "We may analyze in aggregate
the bookmarks of all users in order to deliver services of interest to
other users. Such aggregate analysis will always exclude any personally
identifying information. For instance, if we notice that many users are
suddenly bookmarking a new site, we may display that site in a list of
'hot sites.'" Doesn't sound overly suspicious, but I'm on another point
of principle here.

By the way, Jo, as bookmarks seem to be the thing you're missing the most
from your old profile, they will probably be easy to restore. Go to the
Bookmarks > Organize Bookmarks menu item, then in the new window's menu,
to File > Import, then choose "From File". You now see a dialog titled
"Import Bookmark Files". Next, use a trick: enter the string "%APPDATA%"
(without the quotes) into "File name" and press Return.  This takes you
to a folder that's normally invisible. Then double click your way into
Mozilla > Firefox > Profiles > default. You should see a "bookmarks.html"
to choose.

Note to everyone: I am not completely sure what happened to Jo, but it's
likely that she was hit by a problem I talked about earlier: she used
Firefox 3 on her old profile for a while, then decided she wanted to go
back to 2 and found that her profile wasn't working any more. It's an
unexpectedly bad case because FF 2 didn't even start at all. What
exactly she did then I didn't find out in detail. But my message to you
is

- Keep in mind that your profile is not deleted or changed by installing
  or uninstalling Firefox versions. Unless you're certain that you
  will move from FF 2 to 3 just once and then stick with 3, either
  try out the portable version of 3 before a full install or keep a
  copy of your old profile folder. Simply backing up the old profile
  folder will do. I'm talking about the correct subfolder within
  "%APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles". You can read
  "http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_Firefox" to learn more
  about your profile folder.

- To manage your profiles, you need to run the Firefox Profile Manager. 
  I've just found what's probably the easiest way: Press the Windows key
  and "R" at the same time, type in "firefox.exe -profileManager", press
  Return. In there, you can create and delete profiles (carefully), and
  choose to always see the profile manager when Firefox starts by
  deselecting "Don't ask at startup".

- You don't need to use Windows System Restore if you suspect something
  is wrong with your Firefox installation. In general, don't make such
  sweeping changes to your system unless it's really called for. For a
  completely "clean sheet" reinstall of Firefox, simply uninstall,
  then delete the install folder if it still exists ("C:\Program
  Files\Mozilla Firefox" in most cases), then reinstall, but this still
  leaves you with your old profile. If your problems persist, then your
  problem is within your profile. Use the profile manager to create a
  new one or get an experienced Firefox surgeon to repair your old one.

Sebastian

Sebastian Lisken  wrote in
news:6crv9pF3i5o06U1@mid.dfncis.de: 

> Derek Turner   wrote:
>> I heartily recommend the Foxmarks 'add-on'. Your bookmarks are backed
>> up on their server
> 
> Meaning that they can access your bookmarks. That is something I
> wouldn't do. From their privacy statement: "We may analyze in
> aggregate the bookmarks of all users in order to deliver services of
> interest to other users. Such aggregate analysis will always exclude
> any personally identifying information. For instance, if we notice
> that many users are suddenly bookmarking a new site, we may display
> that site in a list of 'hot sites.'" Doesn't sound overly suspicious,
> but I'm on another point of principle here.

"Bookmark Sync and Sort" uploads your bookmarks to an ftp site of your own 
choice (where you have write permission!) and works well for me. Something 
to do with the free webspace that comes with some ISP accounts.
-- 
Jim                             <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

In message , Derek Turner 
 writes
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:04:10 +0100, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>
>> In message , Jo Lonergan
>>  writes
>>>I more often put vague memories into Google (Nora piano) as it quicker
>>>than searching through the bookmarks, anyway.
>>
>> I can find bookmarks very quickly because I have loads of different
>> folders for them so I know exactly where to look - Shops, Books, Games,
>> Media etc and because I have so many genealogy sites bookmarked I have 5
>> folders for different types of genealogy site.
>
>I heartily recommend the Foxmarks 'add-on'. Your bookmarks are backed up
>on their server and synchronised every time you start/stop the browser.

Done.

Sincerely Chris

-- 
Chris McMillan
http://www.chinavision.org.uk/
http://www.oneplusone.org.cn

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:46:08 +0200, Jo Lonergan 
scrawled in the dust...

>This morning I was appalled to find a colony of ants marching through
>my hall. Instant reaction: google "get rid of" and "ants". Lots of
>good advice, but I resorted to the vacuum cleaner in the end. This was
>soon after watching QI, on which Alan Umbrella described having the
>same problem, so now I imagine they've got in through the telly. How
>else, on the second floor?

I hope you emptied the vacuum cleaner or they'll all be marching out again.
. . . . . . .
-- 
Penny
There are unexpected holes in my ignorance.
umra Nicknames & Abbreviations http://www.umra.freeuk.com/nicks.html

Penny   wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:46:08 +0200, Jo Lonergan 
> scrawled in the dust...
> 
> >This morning I was appalled to find a colony of ants marching through
> >my hall. Instant reaction: google "get rid of" and "ants". Lots of
> >good advice, but I resorted to the vacuum cleaner in the end. This was
> >soon after watching QI, on which Alan Umbrella described having the
> >same problem, so now I imagine they've got in through the telly. How
> >else, on the second floor?
> 
> I hope you emptied the vacuum cleaner or they'll all be marching out again.
> . . . . . . .

As you're posting that story in this thread, do you regard the ants as
a problem with Firefox or Firefox as a possible solution? I presume the
latter. Good old Firefox will surely smoke those ants right out of your
hall.

Sebastian

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:51:49 +0100, Penny 
wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:46:08 +0200, Jo Lonergan 
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>This morning I was appalled to find a colony of ants marching through
>>my hall. Instant reaction: google "get rid of" and "ants". Lots of
>>good advice, but I resorted to the vacuum cleaner in the end. This was
>>soon after watching QI, on which Alan Umbrella described having the
>>same problem, so now I imagine they've got in through the telly. How
>>else, on the second floor?
>
>I hope you emptied the vacuum cleaner or they'll all be marching out again.
>. . . . . . .
Jo, I can't see your post for this so will reply on this.  I have
always imagined being on the second floor I am safe from crawling
ants.  I had problems with flying ones on the third floor in the last
flat but was hoping not to see any now as both UK and Spanish flats
are second floor.  They have got ants in the area in the Spanish
development.  I hope yours did come in through the tv.

Penny wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:46:08 +0200, Jo Lonergan 
>scrawled in the dust...
>
>>This morning I was appalled to find a colony of ants marching through
>>my hall. Instant reaction: google "get rid of" and "ants". Lots of
>>good advice, but I resorted to the vacuum cleaner in the end. 
>
>I hope you emptied the vacuum cleaner or they'll all be marching out again.
>. . . . . . .
I had a goodly quantity to round up a couple of days ago. AFAICT
a quick whirl through Mr Dyson's multi cyclones hasn't left any
of them in a state to be crawling anywhere.

Chris
-- 
Chris J Dixon  Nottingham    
'48/59/31 M B+ G+ A L(-) I S-- CH-(--) Ar++ T+ H0 ?Q Sh+
chris@cdixon.me.uk
Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:31:46 +0100, badriya  wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:51:49 +0100, Penny 
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:46:08 +0200, Jo Lonergan 
>>scrawled in the dust...
>>
>>>This morning I was appalled to find a colony of ants marching through
>>>my hall. Instant reaction: google "get rid of" and "ants". Lots of
>>>good advice, but I resorted to the vacuum cleaner in the end. This was
>>>soon after watching QI, on which Alan Umbrella described having the
>>>same problem, so now I imagine they've got in through the telly. How
>>>else, on the second floor?
>>
>>I hope you emptied the vacuum cleaner or they'll all be marching out again.
>>. . . . . . .

Surprisingly, there has been no sign of any since that day. Not even one
straggler.

>Jo, I can't see your post for this so will reply on this.  I have
>always imagined being on the second floor I am safe from crawling
>ants.  I had problems with flying ones on the third floor in the last
>flat but was hoping not to see any now as both UK and Spanish flats
>are second floor.  They have got ants in the area in the Spanish
>development.  I hope yours did come in through the tv.

One turned up on the laptop screen.  "Anthill Inside"?

-- 
Jo

"Derek Turner" suggested...
>
> I heartily recommend the Foxmarks 'add-on'. Your bookmarks are backed up
> on their server and synchronised every time you start/stop the browser.
> If you need to reinstall they are safe, if you use more than one computer
> (or more than one operating system on the same computer) then your
> bookmarks are always the same.

I added that last night because I'm forever trying to find a bookmark that's 
on my other machine . . .
Tonight I'll add it to my laptop to complete the job, and in October I'll 
install Firefox on the Thailand PC and add it to that as well  8 )

As A.N. Other mentioned, using the bookmark folders is a good move for 
helping track them down for future use.  I can normally find the site I want 
in 2 or 3 mouse clicks.

_______
 Geoff B

Another alternative is MozBackup (http://mozbackup.jasnapaka.com/).
You choose your Mozilla product and profile which part of the profile
you want to backup, and you get a file ending with a .pcv extension.
Transfer that to the other computer and use MozBackup again to transfer
the settings that you want. It doesn't store on a server, so you need to
arrange to transfer the .pcv file yourself. Unfortunately it's Windows
only.

Sebastian

badriya wrote...
>I have
>always imagined being on the second floor I am safe from crawling
>ants.  I had problems with flying ones on the third floor in the last
>flat but was hoping not to see any now as both UK and Spanish flats
>are second floor.

They are like daleks; they have learned how to get up stairs!
-- 
Martin

On 2 Jul 2008 02:14:11 GMT, Sebastian Lisken
 wrote:

>As you're posting that story in this thread, do you regard the ants as
>a problem with Firefox or Firefox as a possible solution? I presume the
>latter. Good old Firefox will surely smoke those ants right out of your
>hall.

In this case it was  a hardware solution that did the job, an application of
Miele (and another reason for being glad I didn't buy a Dyson, in case they're
still alive in there)

-- 
Jo

Jo Lonergan wrote...
>On 2 Jul 2008 02:14:11 GMT, Sebastian Lisken
> wrote:
>
>>As you're posting that story in this thread, do you regard the ants as
>>a problem with Firefox or Firefox as a possible solution? I presume the
>>latter. Good old Firefox will surely smoke those ants right out of your
>>hall.
>
>In this case it was  a hardware solution that did the job, an application of
>Miele (and another reason for being glad I didn't buy a Dyson, in case they're
>still alive in there)
>
You just want something that's going to get on with the job and suck the 
blighters up, without making a Miele of it.
-- 
Martin

In article , on Mon, 30 Jun 
2008, Jo Lonergan  wrote
[]
>I had similar folders (the most visited being Timewasters), but still
>usually found that either beginning to type in the name of the site,
>if it was one I visited often, or putting a Google search into the
>address box was quicker. Of course, all the interesting household
>sites I bookmarked for future reference have gone, but I rarely looked
>at them, anyway.
[]
There are utilities around which will check all your bookmarks, and tell 
you which aren't there any more (some do IE favourites as well). The one 
I tried some years ago (I think it has "deadlink" in the title - hang 
on, it's "AM-DeadLink" - www.aignes.com, according to it's Help | About; 
freeware) gave rather too many "false positives", but there will be 
better ones around (or my version 1.42 of the above has been updated).

Of course, I imagine this function has either been built into Firefox or 
someone has done a plugin for it (-:
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

Buying books would be a good thing if one could also buy the time to read them
in: but as a rule the purchase of books is mistaken for the appropriation of
their contents. -Arthur Schopenhauer, philosopher (1788-1860)

In message , Jo Lonergan 
 writes
[]
>One turned up on the laptop screen.  "Anthill Inside"?
>
<BG>
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL(+++)IS-P--Ch+(p)Ar+T[?]H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for thoughts on PCs. **

Buying books would be a good thing if one could also buy the time to read them
in: but as a rule the purchase of books is mistaken for the appropriation of
their contents. -Arthur Schopenhauer, philosopher (1788-1860)

Jo Lonergan  wrote:
> One turned up on the laptop screen.  "Anthill Inside"?

J. P. Gilliver (John)  wrote:
> <BG>

Count yourself lucky, Jo; if MI5/6 had had a go at your computer it
might have been a case of "molehill inside".

Sebastian

"Martin Clark"  wrote
> Jo Lonergan wrote...
>>On 2 Jul 2008 02:14:11 GMT, Sebastian Lisken wrote:
>>
>>>As you're posting that story in this thread, do you regard the ants as
>>>a problem with Firefox or Firefox as a possible solution? I presume the
>>>latter. Good old Firefox will surely smoke those ants right out of your
>>>hall.
>>
>>In this case it was  a hardware solution that did the job, an application 
>>of
>>Miele (and another reason for being glad I didn't buy a Dyson, in case 
>>they're
>>still alive in there)
>>
> You just want something that's going to get on with the job and suck the 
> blighters up, without making a Miele of it.

Bisch-bosch, sorted.
-- 
Sid
Make sure Matron is away when you reply