I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
grammar):

THINK CLIMATE - 
RECOMMEND
WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C

Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
recommending the lower temperature?

-- 
al
LSM
Licensed to flame

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:22:35 +0100, Al Menzies 
wrote:

>I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>grammar):
>
>THINK CLIMATE - 
>RECOMMEND
>WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>
>Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>recommending the lower temperature?
I don't know but I have just put a load of white sheets in at 40 and
this is in the UK where I have no place to hang them outside to
brighten in the sun.  We will see....  The wash it and then dry it
machine is rubbish.  It never dries it, even a half load.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:56:57 +0100, badriya 
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:22:35 +0100, Al Menzies 
>wrote:
>
>>I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>>weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>>for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>>grammar):
>>
>>THINK CLIMATE - 
>>RECOMMEND
>>WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>>
>>Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>>just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>>recommending the lower temperature?
>I don't know but I have just put a load of white sheets in at 40 and
>this is in the UK where I have no place to hang them outside to
>brighten in the sun.  We will see....  The wash it and then dry it
>machine is rubbish.  It never dries it, even a half load.

Brighten in the sun? Back in the UK? Shorely shome mishtake?

Nick O
From dull, cloudy Huddersfield

"Nick Odell" <gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:0kn664lelk9mh3879bt9nbqr3nhadfht2u@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:56:57 +0100, badriya 
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:22:35 +0100, Al Menzies 
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>>>weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>>>for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>>>grammar):
>>>
>>>THINK CLIMATE -
>>>RECOMMEND
>>>WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>>>
>>>Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>>>just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>>>recommending the lower temperature?
>>I don't know but I have just put a load of white sheets in at 40 and
>>this is in the UK where I have no place to hang them outside to
>>brighten in the sun.  We will see....  The wash it and then dry it
>>machine is rubbish.  It never dries it, even a half load.
>
> Brighten in the sun? Back in the UK? Shorely shome mishtake?
>
My ancestors came from Blairgowrie in Highland Perthshire where one of the 
local industries in those far-off days was flax-growing and linen-weaving. 
Once woven, the linen cloth was left out in the sun where it bleached most 
satisfactorily. The climate in those days was, if anything, colder and 
wetter than today. Here in Cumbria we currently have a big garden where I 
hang out my washing in the summer, and it's true, a lot of the coloured 
stuff (we don't have any white sheets) fades quite noticeably. Can't believe 
the weather in down south (!) in Huddersfield is any duller and cloudier 
than in Cumbria! ;-)

ally

a l l y wrote:
> stuff (we don't have any white sheets) fades quite noticeably. Can't believe 
> the weather in down south (!) in Huddersfield is any duller and cloudier 
> than in Cumbria! ;-)
> 

I wouldn't put out sheets to whiten down here in 
about-as-south-as-you-can-get Cornwall...

... but that's just because the seagull poo is the wrong colour!



Kimbo xx
-- 
www.bykimbo.com

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:19:06 +0100, Nick Odell
<gurzhfvp.jbexfubc@ntlworld.com.invalid> wrote:


>Brighten in the sun? Back in the UK? Shorely shome mishtake?

Of course. Brighton is spelt with an O

HTH HAND an' all that
lff

Al Menzies wrote:
> I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
> weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
> for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
> grammar):
> 
> THINK CLIMATE - 
> RECOMMEND
> WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
> 
> Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
> just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
> recommending the lower temperature?
> 
The latter.  International Wash Care labels have a symbol for 30, it's a 
number 30 in a wash tub, the same as for any other temperature.

-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks

http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm for recipes 
supplied by umrats

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:27:44 +0100, Jane Vernon
 wrote:

>Al Menzies wrote:
>> I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>> weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>> for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>> grammar):
>> 
>> THINK CLIMATE - 
>> RECOMMEND
>> WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>> 
>> Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>> just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>> recommending the lower temperature?
>> 
>The latter.  International Wash Care labels have a symbol for 30, it's a 
>number 30 in a wash tub, the same as for any other temperature.

Well, washing the whites on 40 left thema bit grey. And one teeshirt
has a mark that didn't come out.  It could be that the UK laundry
always looks grey, but it does seem sadder than usual.

badriya wrote:

> Well, washing the whites on 40 left thema bit grey. And one teeshirt
> has a mark that didn't come out.  It could be that the UK laundry
> always looks grey, but it does seem sadder than usual.

I don't want to pry, so feel free to ignore me ;) but I'm intrigued... 
did it look grey when it went it? Or has it become grey from washing? 
And did you use the same powder/liquid as you do in Spain? Could it just 
be the difference in the daylight? Gosh, and you thought your laundry 
postings were boring! :oD


Kimbo xx
-- 
www.bykimbo.com

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:02:40 +0100, Kim Andrews 
wrote:

>badriya wrote:
>
>> Well, washing the whites on 40 left thema bit grey. And one teeshirt
>> has a mark that didn't come out.  It could be that the UK laundry
>> always looks grey, but it does seem sadder than usual.
>
>I don't want to pry, so feel free to ignore me ;) but I'm intrigued... 
>did it look grey when it went it? Or has it become grey from washing? 
>And did you use the same powder/liquid as you do in Spain? Could it just 
>be the difference in the daylight? Gosh, and you thought your laundry 
>postings were boring! :oD
>
>
>Kimbo xx
LOL.   I think it was always a bit grey, or maybe it's because the UK
stuff is much older than the Spanish stuff.  And that has always been
hung out in the sun, whereas the UK stuff has been indoors for the
last 11 years since I last lived in a house with garden.  But there is
also the mark, I forget what food it was, on the teeshirt.

"Kim Andrews"  wrote in message 
news:6ch6olF3h2ntqU1@mid.individual.net...
>a l l y wrote:
>> stuff (we don't have any white sheets) fades quite noticeably. Can't 
>> believe the weather in down south (!) in Huddersfield is any duller and 
>> cloudier than in Cumbria! ;-)
>>
>
> I wouldn't put out sheets to whiten down here in 
> about-as-south-as-you-can-get Cornwall...
>
> ... but that's just because the seagull poo is the wrong colour!
>
Seagulls . . . don't talk to me about seagulls . . . grrr . . . <Ahem!> We 
have issues with seagulls here. Well, actually, we have a war with seagulls. 
(It's a long story . . .)

ally

In message , Jane Vernon 
 writes
>> I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>> weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>> for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>> grammar):
>>  THINK CLIMATE -  RECOMMEND
>> WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>>  Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>> just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>> recommending the lower temperature?
>>
>The latter.  International Wash Care labels have a symbol for 30, it's 
>a number 30 in a wash tub, the same as for any other temperature.

But if they had simply used the symbold (TWA Stanley Unwin TBILI) for 30 
it would have suggested that the garment should not be washed at a 
higher temperature for other than climatic reasons and would have 
deterred someone like me - who as a wm with no 30 setting - from buying 
it.
-- 
Jenny
"I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up."
(Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:15:07 +0100, badriya 
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:02:40 +0100, Kim Andrews 
>wrote:
>
>>badriya wrote:
>>
>>> Well, washing the whites on 40 left thema bit grey. And one teeshirt
>>> has a mark that didn't come out.  It could be that the UK laundry
>>> always looks grey, but it does seem sadder than usual.
>>
>>I don't want to pry, so feel free to ignore me ;) but I'm intrigued... 
>>did it look grey when it went it? Or has it become grey from washing? 
>>And did you use the same powder/liquid as you do in Spain? Could it just 
>>be the difference in the daylight? Gosh, and you thought your laundry 
>>postings were boring! :oD

Part of life, though, isn't it, so it's nice to get a decent result
for the effort you're going to have to put in, anyway. 

>LOL.   I think it was always a bit grey, or maybe it's because the UK
>stuff is much older than the Spanish stuff.  And that has always been
>hung out in the sun, whereas the UK stuff has been indoors for the
>last 11 years since I last lived in a house with garden.  But there is
>also the mark, I forget what food it was, on the teeshirt.  

Food on teeshirts (a regrettably common occurence with me, even before
I became a crone) is particularly difficult to get out. I find a
squirt with a stain remover before they go into the machine will
usually shift them, better than washing at a higher temperature, in
fact.

-- 
Jo

In article , "a l l y"
 wrote:
>  the linen cloth was left out in the sun where it bleached most 
> satisfactorily.

I remember, when Son1 was a tiny baby, being very upset at how stained his
nappies were after soaking and (hot) washing. But I hung them on the line to
dry - and came back a couple of hours later to a line of sparkling white
nappies.  Phew!!

Rosemary




-- 
Rosemary Miskin     ZFC Pm   miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk
Loughborough, UK             http://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:54:34 +0100, Rosemary Miskin
 wrote:

>In article , "a l l y"
> wrote:
>>  the linen cloth was left out in the sun where it bleached most 
>> satisfactorily.
>
>I remember, when Son1 was a tiny baby, being very upset at how stained his
>nappies were after soaking and (hot) washing. But I hung them on the line to
>dry - and came back a couple of hours later to a line of sparkling white
>nappies.  Phew!!

"nappies" and "phew!!" often go together.



-- 
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/              http://www.pherber.com/

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:23:38 +0100, Paul Herber
 wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:54:34 +0100, Rosemary Miskin
> wrote:
>
>>In article , "a l l y"
>> wrote:
>>>  the linen cloth was left out in the sun where it bleached most 
>>> satisfactorily.
>>
>>I remember, when Son1 was a tiny baby, being very upset at how stained his
>>nappies were after soaking and (hot) washing. But I hung them on the line to
>>dry - and came back a couple of hours later to a line of sparkling white
>>nappies.  Phew!!
>
>"nappies" and "phew!!" often go together.

Yes, I think maybe she meant "whew!" ?

lff

Linda Fox wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:23:38 +0100, Paul Herber
>  wrote:

>> "nappies" and "phew!!" often go together.
> 
> Yes, I think maybe she meant "whew!" ?

Are you under the impression they mean significantly diffferent things? 
Either can be used as an expression of relief or surprise. I tried to 
get on with "whew" for a while, but I found it awkward. Strictly a phew 
girl, me. :o) And it has the advantage that it can *also* be used to 
express disgust. Damn fine word.


Kimbo xx
-- 
www.bykimbo.com

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:31:55 +0100, "a l l y"
 wrote:

>
>"Kim Andrews"  wrote in message 
>news:6ch6olF3h2ntqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>a l l y wrote:
>>> stuff (we don't have any white sheets) fades quite noticeably. Can't 
>>> believe the weather in down south (!) in Huddersfield is any duller and 
>>> cloudier than in Cumbria! ;-)
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't put out sheets to whiten down here in 
>> about-as-south-as-you-can-get Cornwall...
>>
>> ... but that's just because the seagull poo is the wrong colour!
>>
>Seagulls . . . don't talk to me about seagulls . . . grrr . . . <Ahem!> We 
>have issues with seagulls here. Well, actually, we have a war with seagulls. 
>(It's a long story . . .)
>
>ally 
>
They are actually very nasty birds.  I was at sea for some years and
they flock around any waste put into the water.    They are filthy
too, but then so are pigeons.

In article , bykimbo@hotmail.com 
says...
> Linda Fox wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:23:38 +0100, Paul Herber
> >  wrote:
> 
> >> "nappies" and "phew!!" often go together.
> > 
> > Yes, I think maybe she meant "whew!" ?
> 
> Are you under the impression they mean significantly diffferent things? 
> Either can be used as an expression of relief or surprise. I tried to 
> get on with "whew" for a while, but I found it awkward. Strictly a phew 
> girl, me. :o) And it has the advantage that it can *also* be used to 
> express disgust. Damn fine word.
> 
Do you mean phew?  Or Lless?


-- 
Sam

In article , Kim Andrews
 wrote:
> Are you under the impression they mean significantly diffferent things? 
> Either can be used as an expression of relief or surprise. I tried to 
> get on with "whew" for a while, but I found it awkward. Strictly a phew 
> girl, me. 

YANAOU

And, when discussing nappies, the 'phew' spelling allowed the expected
retort - kindly supplied by Paul!

Rosemary


-- 
Rosemary Miskin     ZFC Pm   miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk
Loughborough, UK             http://miskin.orpheusweb.co.uk

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:51:53 +0100, Rosemary Miskin
 wrote:

>In article , Kim Andrews
> wrote:
>> Are you under the impression they mean significantly diffferent things? 
>> Either can be used as an expression of relief or surprise. I tried to 
>> get on with "whew" for a while, but I found it awkward. Strictly a phew 
>> girl, me. 
>
>YANAOU
>
>And, when discussing nappies, the 'phew' spelling allowed the expected
>retort - kindly supplied by Paul!

I feel this is a good time to paraphrase Sir Winston Churchill but I
cannot find any speeches about nappies.


-- 
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/              http://www.pherber.com/

"Paul Herber"  wrote
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:51:53 +0100, Rosemary Miskin
>>
>>And, when discussing nappies, the 'phew' spelling allowed the expected
>>retort - kindly supplied by Paul!
>
> I feel this is a good time to paraphrase Sir Winston Churchill but I
> cannot find any speeches about nappies.

Shakespeare, as ever, wrote the mots justes:
'We "phew!"  We nappy "phew!"'
-- 
Sid
Make sure Matron is away when you reply

Jane Vernon  writes:
>Al Menzies wrote:
>> I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>> weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>> for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>> grammar):
>> 
>> THINK CLIMATE - 
>> RECOMMEND
>> WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>> 
>> Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>> just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>> recommending the lower temperature?
>> 
>The latter.  International Wash Care labels have a symbol for 30, it's a 
>number 30 in a wash tub, the same as for any other temperature.

like

   \        /
    \ -273 /
     \----/

you mean?
-- 
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

On 7 Jul 2008 20:02:00 GMT, rf10@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns)
wrote:

> Jane Vernon  writes:
>>Al Menzies wrote:
>>> I bought some cotton t-shirts and linen trousers in M&S at the
>>> weekend. The care label on all the garments has the standard symbol
>>> for a 40 degree wash, and the following message (their caps and
>>> grammar):
>>> 
>>> THINK CLIMATE - 
>>> RECOMMEND
>>> WASH AT 30[symbol for degrees]C
>>> 
>>> Does this mean that there is no standard symbol for 30? Or do they
>>> just want to look as though they are doing something 'green' by
>>> recommending the lower temperature?
>>> 
>>The latter.  International Wash Care labels have a symbol for 30, it's a 
>>number 30 in a wash tub, the same as for any other temperature.
>
>like
>
>   \        /
>    \ -273 /
>     \----/
>
>you mean?

Absolutely.
-- 
Stephen

Into my heart an air that kills From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went And cannot come again.

Dear LSM
    do you need clothing label.woven label.hang tag adn so on ,if
yes ,pls let me know ,i am from China .we hope we can make a  friend
with you .
Best wishes
Jacky

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:34:34 -0700 (PDT), jacky
 wrote:

>Dear LSM
>    do you need clothing label.woven label.hang tag adn so on ,if
>yes ,pls let me know ,i am from China .we hope we can make a  friend
>with you .
>Best wishes
>Jacky

Ooh err. I think I've pulled.

-- 
al
LSM
Licensed to flame

Al Menzies wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:34:34 -0700 (PDT), jacky
>  wrote:
> 
>> Dear LSM
>>    do you need clothing label.woven label.hang tag adn so on ,if
>> yes ,pls let me know ,i am from China .we hope we can make a  friend
>> with you .
>> Best wishes
>> Jacky
> 
> Ooh err. I think I've pulled.
> 

BUMRA!

-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks

http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm for recipes 
supplied by umrats

Al Menzies wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:34:34 -0700 (PDT), jacky
>  wrote:
> 
>> Dear LSM
>>    do you need clothing label.woven label.hang tag adn so on ,if
>> yes ,pls let me know ,i am from China .we hope we can make a  friend
>> with you .
>> Best wishes
>> Jacky
> 
> Ooh err. I think I've pulled.
> 
ROFL

In message , Al Menzies 
 writes
>On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:34:34 -0700 (PDT), jacky
> wrote:
>
>>Dear LSM
>>    do you need clothing label.woven label.hang tag adn so on ,if
>>yes ,pls let me know ,i am from China .we hope we can make a  friend
>>with you .
>>Best wishes
>>Jacky
>
>Ooh err. I think I've pulled.
>
ROTFLMAO: honestly, that race never miss a trick.  *Nice* one, Al.

Sincerely Chris

-- 
Chris McMillan
http://www.chinavision.org.uk/
http://www.oneplusone.org.cn

In message , Al Menzies 
 writes
>On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:34:34 -0700 (PDT), jacky
> wrote:
>
>>Dear LSM
>>    do you need clothing label.woven label.hang tag adn so on ,if
>>yes ,pls let me know ,i am from China .we hope we can make a  friend
>>with you .
>>Best wishes
>>Jacky
>
>Ooh err. I think I've pulled.
>
A muscle? A loose thread (from a label)?
-- 
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