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On 25 Jun, 16:51, badriya  wrote:

> Is it oh dear, Chinese Whispers, OAIAM?   Tony was the only one to
> think sensibly that what David said didn't mean it was off.

Exactly.
Adam hesitated - after all Brian has given him the AD business - and
is likely to back Matt and turn his back on the village.

Mind you after Mat's blackmail of Deeavid I was surprised David would
have anything to do with him.

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How will this work then?  Debbie, Adam and BL are part of Ambridge Heat and 
Power.  But the digester itself is going to be put on Home Farm land which 
Brian still owns and is, of course, a BL shareholder.  So what if Adam 
decides to walk away from the AD.  Can Debbie still just plonk it on the 
farm?

Rachael

* Bob E wrote, On 25/06/2008 18:19:
> On 25 Jun, 16:51, badriya  wrote:
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>> Is it oh dear, Chinese Whispers, OAIAM?   Tony was the only one to
>> think sensibly that what David said didn't mean it was off.
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> Adam hesitated - after all Brian has given him the AD business - and
> is likely to back Matt and turn his back on the village.
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> Mind you after Mat's blackmail of Deeavid I was surprised David would
> have anything to do with him.

He was rather bounced into the original agreement with BL, as I 
recall.  I got the feeling that this was one of the reasons that he 
chose to just walk away from the deal, rather than staying to fight a 
bit longer.  He couldn't face having continual battles with Matt over 
every decision.

-- 
Cheers, Serena

Don't wait for your ship to come in, swim out to it. (Anon)

* Rachael Reynolds wrote, On 26/06/2008 02:48:
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> Power.  But the digester itself is going to be put on Home Farm land which 
> Brian still owns and is, of course, a BL shareholder.  So what if Adam 
> decides to walk away from the AD.  Can Debbie still just plonk it on the 
> farm?

Brian could still choose to rent the land to Ambridge Sound and Fury, 
even if it was purely a BL concern.  Whether he would choose to do so 
(or at least, whether he would want to do so at a rent BL would be 
willing to pay) is another matter.

If Adam left the project, there would be less reason to site the AD on 
Home Farm, as they wouldn't be using it to heat the poly tunnels, so 
BL might well choose to move it onto their own land anyway.


-- 
Cheers, Serena

Don't wait for your ship to come in, swim out to it. (Anon)

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:32:38 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
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>* Rachael Reynolds wrote, On 26/06/2008 02:48:
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>> Power.  But the digester itself is going to be put on Home Farm land which 
>> Brian still owns and is, of course, a BL shareholder.  So what if Adam 
>> decides to walk away from the AD.  Can Debbie still just plonk it on the 
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>Brian could still choose to rent the land to Ambridge Sound and Fury, 
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>Home Farm, as they wouldn't be using it to heat the poly tunnels, so 
>BL might well choose to move it onto their own land anyway.
Could BL go ahead without Adam or David to help run it?  They didn't
have the expertise. Or will Anabel's new expert run it?  I can't
understand why they didn't just vote BL out and find another partner.

* badriya wrote, On 26/06/2008 09:55:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:32:38 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
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>>> Power.  But the digester itself is going to be put on Home Farm land which 
>>> Brian still owns and is, of course, a BL shareholder.  So what if Adam 
>>> decides to walk away from the AD.  Can Debbie still just plonk it on the 
>>> farm?
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>> even if it was purely a BL concern.  Whether he would choose to do so 
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>> willing to pay) is another matter.
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>> Home Farm, as they wouldn't be using it to heat the poly tunnels, so 
>> BL might well choose to move it onto their own land anyway.
> Could BL go ahead without Adam or David to help run it?  They didn't
> have the expertise. Or will Anabel's new expert run it?  

I assume they'd have to employ a manager to run it for them or, if 
they didn't want to invest any additional capital to replace the money 
that Brookfield and Home Farm would have provided, look for an 
alternative partner who did have the necessary expertise.  I suspect 
that Adam will stay involved though, with both Matt and Debbie making 
his life a misery.

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Two reasons.  First, Debbie seems quite happy with BL and Adam is 
wavering, so there isn't a clear majority opposing BL.  Second, they 
had already asked everyone else they could think of, who might have 
been interested, and only asked BL because they couldn't find a more 
congenial partner.

-- 
Cheers, Serena

There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we 
don't know. (Ambrose Bierce)

"Serena Blanchflower"  wrote in message 
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>* badriya wrote, On 26/06/2008 09:55:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:32:38 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
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>>>> and Power.  But the digester itself is going to be put on Home Farm 
>>>> land which Brian still owns and is, of course, a BL shareholder.  So 
>>>> what if Adam decides to walk away from the AD.  Can Debbie still just 
>>>> plonk it on the farm?
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>>> even if it was purely a BL concern.  Whether he would choose to do so 
>>> (or at least, whether he would want to do so at a rent BL would be 
>>> willing to pay) is another matter.
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>>> Home Farm, as they wouldn't be using it to heat the poly tunnels, so BL 
>>> might well choose to move it onto their own land anyway.
>> Could BL go ahead without Adam or David to help run it?  They didn't
>> have the expertise. Or will Anabel's new expert run it?
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> didn't want to invest any additional capital to replace the money that 
> Brookfield and Home Farm would have provided, look for an alternative 
> partner who did have the necessary expertise.  I suspect that Adam will 
> stay involved though, with both Matt and Debbie making his life a misery.
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> wavering, so there isn't a clear majority opposing BL.  Second, they had 
> already asked everyone else they could think of, who might have been 
> interested, and only asked BL because they couldn't find a more congenial 
> partner.
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> -- 
> Cheers, Serena
>
> There is nothing new under the sun but there are lots of old things we 
> don't know. (Ambrose Bierce)

I'd rather assumed we were being set up for the first "test" of the new Home 
Farm arrangements with war breaking out between Adam and Debbie and Brian 
rubbing Jennifer's nose in it about it's all her fault for making him split 
things the way he has.

Rachael

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Is the canning factory site available? I always assumed it was sited on 
the tattier side of Borchester, and it presumably has good transport 
links.
-- 
Jim                             <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

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sites, i. e. in-town but run-down old factories/warehouses/whatever, for 
example), or are they just a convenient SW resource, to be brought out 
of the hat whenever necessary, as a lazy plot device?
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On the other hand, you have different fingers.

* J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote, On 26/06/2008 23:05:
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> of the hat whenever necessary, as a lazy plot device?

I think the latter.  That said, from what we know about BL's 
activities, it wouldn't be at all surprising if they did have some 
land which is more suitable than Home Farm available.

-- 
Cheers, Serena

Cats were put into the world to disprove the dogma that all things 
were created to serve man. (Paul Gray)

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:37:50 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
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>* J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote, On 26/06/2008 23:05:
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>land which is more suitable than Home Farm available.

Doesn't BL own a site that was formerly a newt-infested lunatic
asylum, and which has now been de-newted (newtered?)?

Or is that already gone to housing?
-- 
Stephen

Into my heart an air that kills From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went And cannot come again.

Stephen  writes:
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:37:50 +0100, Serena Blanchflower
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>>I think the latter.  That said, from what we know about BL's 
>>activities, it wouldn't be at all surprising if they did have some 
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>asylum, and which has now been de-newted (newtered?)?
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>Or is that already gone to housing?

lunatic asylums (sic) tended to be built out of town (green field
sites).  the cambridge one[*] was decommissioned some time ago (i've
heard the tales of people visiting relatives in there in the '50s and
it sounds to have been horrific).

the cambridge site has been split -- one is modern low-rise high
density psychiatric units (including a small secure unit), and the
other has been converted to zillions of offices.  the offices are
quite tall, and contain lots of health service administrators, as well
as several other enterprises.  (you might imagine the health service
would be able to fill any office space available, but it seems not.)

which is to say, i would be surprised if there's many such sites still
available for conversion into giant compost heaps...

[*] built by the city council, some time c.19, with the proceeds of
the coprolite mining.  (honest.)
-- 
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

In message <g4a5i2$h80$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns 
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>the coprolite mining.  (honest.)

What is (was?) the market use of coprolytes? I could see they might sell 
to the souvenir or curiosity market, and perhaps to museums, but I find 
it hard to believe there was enough market to pay for an asylum ... so I 
presume there must have been some industrial use for them; I just can't 
think what it might have been.
-- 
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 01:37:51 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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>In message <g4a5i2$h80$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk>, Robin Fairbairns 
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>What is (was?) the market use of coprolytes? I could see they might sell 
>to the souvenir or curiosity market, and perhaps to museums, but I find 
>it hard to believe there was enough market to pay for an asylum ... so I 
>presume there must have been some industrial use for them; I just can't 
>think what it might have been.

Coprolite (with an "i" from the Greek "lithos" meaning stone) was
mined for use as fertiliser - it is very rich in phosphate.  Fisons
made their fortune from the business.
-- 
Stephen

Into my heart an air that kills From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went And cannot come again.

In message , Stephen 
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>>What is (was?) the market use of coprolytes? I could see they might sell
>>to the souvenir or curiosity market, and perhaps to museums, but I find
>>it hard to believe there was enough market to pay for an asylum ... so I
>>presume there must have been some industrial use for them; I just can't
>>think what it might have been.
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>Coprolite (with an "i" from the Greek "lithos" meaning stone) was
>mined for use as fertiliser - it is very rich in phosphate.  Fisons
>made their fortune from the business.

Ah, didn't realise that; I assumed it was just stone, in the right shape 
(having fully fossilised). Obviously it isn't fully fossilised. (I'm 
interested that it was "mined" though - makes me wonder what 
circumstances caused beds of it to be laid down, making mining 
practical.)
-- 
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