There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character called 
Robina Redmond.

I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr Who, but 
if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina somewhat familiar 
looking.

-- 

CaroleT

"carolet" wrote

> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character called 
> Robina Redmond.
>
> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr Who, but 
> if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina somewhat familiar 
> looking.

She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in lovable-cockney-burglar 
mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress like her either. It's enough to 
make the poor lad incurably neurotic.

-- 
SB

Steve Brooks wrote:
> 
> "carolet" wrote
> 
>> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character 
>> called Robina Redmond.
>>
>> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr Who, 
>> but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina somewhat 
>> familiar looking.
> 
> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in lovable-cockney-burglar 
> mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress like her either. It's enough 
> to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.

I had her bang to rights at "toilet".

-- 
David

the Omrud wrote:
> Steve Brooks wrote:
>>
>> "carolet" wrote
>>
>>> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character 
>>> called Robina Redmond.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr 
>>> Who, but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina 
>>> somewhat familiar looking.
>>
>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in 
>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress 
>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
> 
> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
> 

Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?


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Jane Vernon  wrote in
news:69a2u5F31pc2iU2@mid.individual.net: 

> the Omrud wrote:
>> Steve Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> "carolet" wrote
>>>
>>>> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character 
>>>> called Robina Redmond.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr 
>>>> Who, but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina 
>>>> somewhat familiar looking.
>>>
>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in 
>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress 
>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably
>>> neurotic. 
>> 
>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>> 
> 
> Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did
> they? 

Isn't everything we hear in Dr Who translated by the tardis? If it can 
make ancient Romans sound like contemporary English people, then I'm sure 
it can do it for not quite so ancient Britons.
-- 
Jim                             <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

the Omrud wrote:

> > > There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character
> > > called Robina Redmond.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr
> > > Who,  but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina
> > > somewhat  familiar looking.
> > 
> > She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in
> > lovable-cockney-burglar  mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress
> > like her either. It's enough  to make the poor lad incurably
> > neurotic.
> 
> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".

We were shocked.  Shocked.
DC

--

On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
 wrote:

>the Omrud wrote:
>> Steve Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> "carolet" wrote
>>>
>>>> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character 
>>>> called Robina Redmond.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr 
>>>> Who, but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina 
>>>> somewhat familiar looking.
>>>
>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in 
>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress 
>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>> 
>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>> 
>
>Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?

Yes.

C. R. Wadham's "Simple Directions for the Chambermaid", published in
1917, includes the instruction:

| "The toilet should be kept absolutely clean. Hot water with washing
| soda or cleanser is often needed to clean it thoroughly, using the
| chamber-cloth or toilet brush for that purpose."

And Byron uses the word in Don Juan (1819), to mean a dressing room:

| There is the closet, there the toilet, there
| The antechamber--search them under, over;
| There is the sofa, there the great arm-chair,
| The chimney--which would really hold a lover.

I thought that Fenella Woolgar was brilliant - and rather Penelope
Keith-ish, which was interesting opposite Felicity Kendall.
-- 
Stephen

Into my heart an air that kills From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went And cannot come again.

In article , Jim 
Easterbrook  writes
>> Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did
>> they?
>
>Isn't everything we hear in Dr Who translated by the tardis? If it can 
>make ancient Romans sound like contemporary English people, then I'm 
>sure it can do it for not quite so ancient Britons.

Good point!

It explains a great deal, and it evidently works so well one might be 
forgiven for forgetting about it.

I wonder though, does it also work for book jackets? The edition of
Christie that Felicity Kendall's character was reading by the fireplace 
looked to be from Waterstones, circa 2008.

But I thought the butler's iPod was just taking the p...

Regards,

Simonm.

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Stephen wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
>  wrote:
> 
>> the Omrud wrote:
>>> Steve Brooks wrote:
>>>> "carolet" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character 
>>>>> called Robina Redmond.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr 
>>>>> Who, but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina 
>>>>> somewhat familiar looking.
>>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in 
>>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress 
>>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>>>
>> Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> C. R. Wadham's "Simple Directions for the Chambermaid", published in
> 1917, includes the instruction:
> 
> | "The toilet should be kept absolutely clean. Hot water with washing
> | soda or cleanser is often needed to clean it thoroughly, using the
> | chamber-cloth or toilet brush for that purpose."
> 
> And Byron uses the word in Don Juan (1819), to mean a dressing room:
> 
> | There is the closet, there the toilet, there
> | The antechamber--search them under, over;
> | There is the sofa, there the great arm-chair,
> | The chimney--which would really hold a lover.

Thank you.

> 
> I thought that Fenella Woolgar was brilliant - and rather Penelope
> Keith-ish, which was interesting opposite Felicity Kendall.

Who looked very much older than 62, I thought.  Still extremely 
attractive, mind you.

-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks

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On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
 wrote:

>the Omrud wrote:

>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in 
>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress 
>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>> 
>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".

In fact the whole household would have known that she was not quite
quite, my dear, at that point. It was hardly a feat of detection.
>
>Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?

But was "loo" the correct answer?

-- 
Jo

Jo Lonergan wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
>  wrote:
> 
>> the Omrud wrote:
> 
>>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in 
>>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress 
>>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
> 
> In fact the whole household would have known that she was not quite
> quite, my dear, at that point. It was hardly a feat of detection.
>> Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?
> 
> But was "loo" the correct answer?

Not in the 20s, I wouldn't have thought.  Lavatory, most likely.

And how likely is that a bloke would be able to hide from his wife, for 
several years, the fact that he wasn't really confined to a wheelchair?

-- 
David

Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> Jane Vernon  wrote in
> news:69a2u5F31pc2iU2@mid.individual.net:
>
>> the Omrud wrote:
>>> Steve Brooks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "carolet" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> There is a Felicity Jones in today's Dr Who, playing a character
>>>>> called Robina Redmond.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure whether George Grundy is old enough to appreciate Dr
>>>>> Who, but if he is watching, I wonder whether he will find Robina
>>>>> somewhat familiar looking.
>>>>
>>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in
>>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress
>>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably
>>>> neurotic.
>>>
>>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>>>
>>
>> Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.
>> Did they?
>
> Isn't everything we hear in Dr Who translated by the tardis? If it can
> make ancient Romans sound like contemporary English people, then I'm
> sure it can do it for not quite so ancient Britons.

I imagined that that was why the Doctor told Donna not to attempt to talk 
posh. The Tardis would translate that to goodness knows what, much like when 
they tried to talk Latin in Rome, resulting in the locals thinking that they 
came from Umbrella.

-- 

CaroleT

On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:59 +0100, Stephen 
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
> wrote:
>
>And Byron uses the word in Don Juan (1819), to mean a dressing room:
>
>| There is the closet, there the toilet, there
>| The antechamber--search them under, over;
>| There is the sofa, there the great arm-chair,
>| The chimney--which would really hold a lover.
>
It appears twice with (I hope!) that meaning in Gilbert & Sullivan.

In Princess Ida, the tale of a monkey who tried to become a man to
impress a maiden he loved: "he paid a guinea to a toilet club"

And the stage direction at the beginning of Act 2 of The Mikado states
"Yum Yum is discovered seated at her bridal toilet"

As I say I _hope_ these are in the Byronic sense and not - er - "the
other purpose"

lff

On Sun, 18 May 2008, Jo Lonergan wrote
>On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
> wrote:
>
>>the Omrud wrote:
>
>>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in
>>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress
>>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>>>
>>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>
>In fact the whole household would have known that she was not quite
>quite, my dear, at that point. It was hardly a feat of detection.
>>
>>Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?
>
>But was "loo" the correct answer?
>
I always thought 'lav' was what U-types said.

-- 
Kate B

PS 'elvira' is spamtrapped - please reply to 'elviraspam' at cockaigne dot org dot uk if you
want to reply personally

On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:51:20 +0100, Kate Brown
 wrote:

>On Sun, 18 May 2008, Jo Lonergan wrote
>>On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
>> wrote:
>>
>>>the Omrud wrote:
>>
>>>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in
>>>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress
>>>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>>>>
>>>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>>
>>In fact the whole household would have known that she was not quite
>>quite, my dear, at that point. It was hardly a feat of detection.
>>>
>>>Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?
>>
>>But was "loo" the correct answer?
>>
>I always thought 'lav' was what U-types said.

Bog, bog-house, cacatorium, chapel-of-ease, coffee-shop, colfabias,
crapping-ken, draught-chapel, dunnakin, Forty-two*, fourth, gong,
House of Commons, house-of-office, jakes, letterbox, my aunt's,
necessary-house, Quaker's burying-ground, Sir Harry, the West
Central...

* Scottish, apparently, from a particular establishment that housed 42
people at one sitting.  I wonder whether Douglas Adams was aware.
-- 
Stephen

Into my heart an air that kills From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went And cannot come again.

In article , Stephen 
 writes
>chapel-of-ease

Brilliant. In due course I can see that appearing on a brass plate 
somewhere not too far from this computer. We've already got "Messer & 
Thorpe's Patent Bucket Fire Extinguisher" (which was real and every bit 
as daft as you might imagine), but that's for the loo lid, not the door 
of the room.

>Quaker's burying-ground,

That one's a bit mean. Grandmother's in one of those, permanently.

Regards,

Simonm.

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SpamTrapSeeSig wrote...

>We've already got "Messer & Thorpe's Patent Bucket Fire Extinguisher"

Do a lot of fires break out in buckets?
-- 
Martin

In article , 
linda.ff@ntlworld.com says...
> On Sun, 18 May 2008 09:16:59 +0100, Stephen 
> wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
> > wrote:
> >
> >And Byron uses the word in Don Juan (1819), to mean a dressing room:
> >
> >| There is the closet, there the toilet, there
> >| The antechamber--search them under, over;
> >| There is the sofa, there the great arm-chair,
> >| The chimney--which would really hold a lover.
> >
> It appears twice with (I hope!) that meaning in Gilbert & Sullivan.
> 
> In Princess Ida, the tale of a monkey who tried to become a man to
> impress a maiden he loved: "he paid a guinea to a toilet club"
> 
> And the stage direction at the beginning of Act 2 of The Mikado states
> "Yum Yum is discovered seated at her bridal toilet"
> 
> As I say I _hope_ these are in the Byronic sense and not - er - "the
> other purpose"
> 
It's probably all right if you pronounce it in the french manner.

-- 
Sam

On Sun, 18 May 2008 13:38:43 +0100, Stephen 
wrote:
>
>Bog, bog-house, cacatorium, chapel-of-ease, coffee-shop, colfabias,
>crapping-ken, draught-chapel, dunnakin, Forty-two*, fourth, gong,
>House of Commons, house-of-office, jakes, letterbox, my aunt's,
>necessary-house, Quaker's burying-ground, Sir Harry, the West
>Central...
>
Ah, did you get that from a faesaurus?

lff

the Omrud  writes:
>And how likely is that a bloke would be able to hide from his wife, for 
>several years, the fact that he wasn't really confined to a wheelchair?

they manage it on little britain.
-- 
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

In message , Stephen 
 writes
>On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:51:20 +0100, Kate Brown
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 May 2008, Jo Lonergan wrote
>>>On Sun, 18 May 2008 08:07:50 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>the Omrud wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> She never sounded much like his mum. Not even in
>>>>>> lovable-cockney-burglar mode. And I'd happily bet she didn't dress
>>>>>> like her either. It's enough to make the poor lad incurably neurotic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had her bang to rights at "toilet".
>>>
>>>In fact the whole household would have known that she was not quite
>>>quite, my dear, at that point. It was hardly a feat of detection.
>>>>
>>>>Whereas I wasn't sure *anyone* used the word toilet in the 1920s.  Did they?
>>>
>>>But was "loo" the correct answer?
>>>
>>I always thought 'lav' was what U-types said.
>
> Forty-two*,
>* Scottish, apparently, from a particular establishment that housed 42
>people at one sitting.  I wonder whether Douglas Adams was aware.

*Thank you* Stephen.  As if there aren't enough problems with living at 
this number.

Sincerely Chris
-- 
Chris McMillan
http://www.chinavision.org.uk/
http://www.oneplusone.org.cn

Robin Fairbairns wrote:
>  the Omrud  writes:
>> And how likely is that a bloke would be able to hide from his wife, for 
>> several years, the fact that he wasn't really confined to a wheelchair?
> 
> they manage it on little britain.

I don't think Lou and Andy have an, er, intimate relationship.

-- 
David

In message , Stephen 
 writes
>On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:51:20 +0100, Kate Brown
> wrote:
[]
>Bog, bog-house, cacatorium, chapel-of-ease, coffee-shop, colfabias,
>crapping-ken, draught-chapel, dunnakin, Forty-two*, fourth, gong,
>House of Commons, house-of-office, jakes, letterbox, my aunt's,
>necessary-house, Quaker's burying-ground, Sir Harry, the West
>Central...
[]
There was a marvellous little programme - called "On the Throne" or 
similar, by Lady Lucinda Lambton; must have been fifteen years ago or 
more? - about loos in general, and public ones in particular. (I'd pay 
real money to get it on DVD; I've got it somewhere on videotape, but 
probably poor quality - I had a poor aerial for a lot of that time - and 
probably on V2000 too, and I haven't anything that reliably plays that 
any more.) Where was I - oh yes, at one point somewhere part way 
through, a Male Voice Choir sings many of the common names, to the tune 
of "Men of Harlech":
Ji-mmy Riddle, Piss or Piddle,
[tum, te, tum] or have a widdle;
Poin-ting Percy, [tum tum]iddle -
Sit up-on, the John. (Oh dear, I can remember even less of it than I 
thought, as you can see - hence why I'd like a recording of the 
programme. Not just for that - the rest of it was delightfully 
eccentric, as anything by LLL is.)

Anyway, I thought it was high art, much like the Huddersfield Choral 
Society's 150th anniversary which included various lines from 
commercials (done on the full choir with harmonies), which is similarly 
unavailable (I've even asked their archivist or whatever).
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On May 18, 7:08 pm, the Omrud  wrote:
> Robin Fairbairns wrote:
> >  the Omrud  writes:
> >> And how likely is that a bloke would be able to hide from his wife, for> >> several years, the fact that he wasn't really confined to a wheelchair?> > they manage it on little britain.
>
> I don't think Lou and Andy have an, er, intimate relationship.

I'm sure Andy would just have to say "I wan' tha' wun" a few times and
Lou would give him one.