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date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:25:05 GMT,    group: uk.media.dvd        back       
Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
full version (with images and video) here:

http://pyrosblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/playcom-now-with-added-rudness.html

http://preview.tinyurl.com/26a3db

I've been Christmas shopping on play.com

I wanted the following:
Seed of Chucky (DVD)
Wayne's World 1&2 (DVD)
The Naked Jape, by Jimmy Carr (Book)

Imagine my Joy when I found that I could get all of those (and "bride of 
chucky" thrown in) for £15!

Now, I grant you, dispite my adding 3 '3 for £15' items to my cart, the 
total at the bottom said £18.47 - but 3 "3 for £15" item must mean that 
they'll sort out the discount before they charge you, right?

Wrong.

Not to worry, a quick call to customer services, I'll get my £3.47 back 
and all will be right with the world, right?

Wrong again.

Apparently, I can't mix books and DVDs.
"but" says I," there are 3 identical '3 for £15 icons'"
"yes" says the Play.com worker "3 DVDs for £15, or 3 Books for £15"
"It doesn't say that" says I.
"Yes it does" says Play.com "on the offer page"
"I didn't go to the offer page" says I "I just searched for the items"
"there's nothing I can do" says the customer dis-service employee
"I'll ask trading standards" says I
"A manager will call you back" says the pleb.
"thank you" says I.

A few minuets later a manager ("Mike") did indeed return my call.
"Oh good" thinks I "an organ grinder"

But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to 
boot!

When I explained that I had added 3 '3 for £15' items to my cart, but 
been charged full price, he again informed me that this was because I 
had ordered 2 DVDs and a Book, and that the offer did not say I could 
mix and match.

I pointed out that the site did not say I couldn't mix and match, and 
Mike informed me that the top of the offer page stated "3 DVDs for £15" 
in very large letters, and that if I couldn't see it I "Needed glasses"

At this point in the conversation (having been insulted by someone who 
was clearly in the wrong) I will admit that from that point on my 
composure faltered, however I continued to attempt to reason with Mike.

I pointed out that I hadn't been to the page with the large notice of 
which he spoke, he continued to insist that it was there, I explained 
that I didn't deny that it was there, but that you could (and I did) 
order those items without ever navigating to that page, and asked if I 
could show Mike how.

When I asked him to search for "jape" hew refused, when asked why, he 
replied "because you're a bigger jape than I am" and threatened to 
terminate the call.

I pointed out that "jape" was the search used to find one of the items, 
but that he was welcome to search for "chucky" as I couldn't turn that 
into an insult if I wanted to.

When he searched for "chucky" Mike immediately, and aggressively 
announced that there were no offer items on the search and started 
reeling off his search results.

It became apparent that Mike had searched under "books", when I asked 
him to please look under "all products" he claimed that he didn't have 
time to keep running searches, and would not.

He again re-iterated that the "3 DVDs for £15" was at the top of the 
offer page, and became rude when asked to run searches that would prove 
that the 3 items could be ordered without ever seeing that page.

-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:25:05 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
> But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to 
> boot!

Just cancel the order, and make sure you cancel the transaction on 
your card.
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:40:28 -0000   author:   Colin Wilson

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
On 12 Dec, 01:40, Colin Wilson
 wrote:
> > But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to
> > boot!
>
> Just cancel the order, and make sure you cancel the transaction on
> your card.

I can't remember the last time I bought anything from Play. I use

http://www.find-dvd.co.uk

to search for lowest prices and bizarrely it's usually HMV who are the
cheapest for new releases. There's no shortage of competition, take
your business elsewhere.
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:26:39 -0800 (PST)   author:   WW

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
Will Tingle wrote:
> He again re-iterated that the "3 DVDs for £15" was at the top of the 
> offer page, and became rude when asked to run searches that would prove 
> that the 3 items could be ordered without ever seeing that page.
> 

Well done Will, I feel your pain. I hate it when companies interpret 
their advertisements in bizarre ways like that. Of course it's not about 
the extra £3.47 either. You should get what you are informed you would 
get for the price you are told.

I have no doubt you'd have a good chance at the small claims court or 
get some help at a consumer agency (or possibly advertising standards?), 
but I bet play.com aren't exactly bricking themselves at the prospect. 
Still, from the look of your youtube video you just might have the heart 
for it.

I hope you do. Keep us informed -and best of luck with it!


  -Kevin.


PS. I could save you £18.47 right now if you'd cancel all 3 of those 
items. They're not worth any price -even as gifts! ;)
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:52:39 +0000   author:   Gunther Gloop

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
typewriters. Colin Wilson 
 said:
>> But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to
>> boot!
>
>Just cancel the order, and make sure you cancel the transaction on
>your card.

It already shipped.
-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:28:11 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
typewriters. Gunther Gloop  said:
>Will Tingle wrote:
>> He again re-iterated that the "3 DVDs for £15" was at the top of the 
>>offer page, and became rude when asked to run searches that would 
>>prove  that the 3 items could be ordered without ever seeing that page.
>>
>
>Well done Will, I feel your pain. I hate it when companies interpret 
>their advertisements in bizarre ways like that. Of course it's not 
>about the extra £3.47 either. You should get what you are informed you 
>would get for the price you are told.

Exactly, if it was about £3.47, then making the video / blog entry would 
have been an exceptionally poor valuation of my time.

>
>I have no doubt you'd have a good chance at the small claims court or 
>get some help at a consumer agency (or possibly advertising 
>standards?), but I bet play.com aren't exactly bricking themselves at 
>the prospect. Still, from the look of your youtube video you just might 
>have the heart for it.

I did think of that (and yes, I certainly do have the heart for it) but 
they're based in Jersy - I'm really not sure how I stand on small 
claims.

I have informed Jersy's trading standards, but await a reply.

>
>I hope you do. Keep us informed -and best of luck with it!
>
>
> -Kevin.
>
>
>PS. I could save you £18.47 right now if you'd cancel all 3 of those 
>items.

Already charged and shipped.

>They're not worth any price -even as gifts! ;)

;)
>

-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:34:26 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
Like he said, you can't mix and match :P

Why didn't you just leave it at that? unless of course your having a 'jape'.

Life's too short.


-- 
RobertJM
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:53:34 -0000   author:   RobertJM

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
RobertJM wrote:
> Like he said, you can't mix and match :P
> 
> Why didn't you just leave it at that? unless of course your having a 'jape'.
> 
> Life's too short.
> 

It'd cost play.com nothing to have 3 seperate "3 for £15" icons for the 
three seperate offers, rather than causing any confusion.
Even if the icons were just different colours for dvds, books, cds it'd 
make it somewhat clearer.

How many £3.47s have play.com made for themselves by having one icon 
instead of three I wonder?

  -Kevin.
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:03:13 +0000   author:   Gunther Gloop

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
typewriters. RobertJM  said:
>Like he said, you can't mix and match :P
>
>Why didn't you just leave it at that? unless of course your having a 'jape'.
>
>Life's too short.
>
>

I'm glad your principles are worth less than £3.50, I'm afraid I don't 
come so cheap.

Besides, if you deceive a few hundred customers into parting with and 
extra £3.47 each, it racks up.

-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:33:20 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
typewriters. Gunther Gloop  said:
>RobertJM wrote:
>> Like he said, you can't mix and match :P
>>  Why didn't you just leave it at that? unless of course your having a 
>>'jape'.
>>  Life's too short.
>>
>
>It'd cost play.com nothing to have 3 seperate "3 for £15" icons for the 
>three seperate offers, rather than causing any confusion.
>Even if the icons were just different colours for dvds, books, cds it'd 
>make it somewhat clearer.

Or even better a "3 DVDs for £15" icon , a "3 Books for £15" icon etc.
>
>How many £3.47s have play.com made for themselves by having one icon 
>instead of three I wonder?

Exactly!

-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:52:43 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
Will Tingle  wrote in news:6Y
$n9hK5bzXHFwJS@willsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk:

> full version (with images and video) here:
> 
> http://pyrosblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/playcom-now-with-added-rudness.html
> 
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/26a3db

The thing is that it would make absolutely no difference to them if they 
mix and match as the result is the same for them financially.  He is just 
sticking up for a stupid error on their part to the hilt because he just 
wants to be right after saying you couldn't do it.

What a douche

DLS
date: 12 Dec 2007 15:30:40 GMT   author:   Damon

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
Will Tingle wrote:
> An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
> typewriters. Colin Wilson 
>  said:
>>> But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to
>>> boot!
>>
>> Just cancel the order, and make sure you cancel the transaction on
>> your card.
> 
> It already shipped.

Well, that's OK. Get the goods, then 'phone-up your credit card company 
and put the transaction(s) in dispute when the bill arrives. That way, 
you have the items and you'll not be charged until the issue is resolved.


Clem
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:55:41 GMT   author:   Clem Dye

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
typewriters. Clem Dye  said:
>Will Tingle wrote:
>> An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
>>typewriters. Colin Wilson 
>> said:
>>>> But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to
>>>> boot!
>>>
>>> Just cancel the order, and make sure you cancel the transaction on
>>> your card.
>>  It already shipped.
>
>Well, that's OK. Get the goods, then 'phone-up your credit card company 
>and put the transaction(s) in dispute when the bill arrives. That way, 
>you have the items and you'll not be charged until the issue is 
>resolved.

Ah, that's nice thinking.

thanks.
-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:32:46 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
I don't what has happened to Play.com recently. They used to be excellent.

I ordered Downfall earlier this year and got Apocalypto. I sent it back, no 
problem...after all the error was theirs and according to their policy they 
would refund my postal costs.

They did send me Downfall straight away...this was back in July. To date I 
have yet to receive a refund of my postal costs. Last time I phoned them 
(September) I was told it took time to investigate. I will give them another 
call and point out that surely 5 months is a long time to investigate?

Anyway, as someone else pointed out - shop around (I use 
www.billybargains.co.uk).

SC
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:37:49 -0000   author:   steve_c

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of 
typewriters. steve_c  said:
>I don't what has happened to Play.com recently. They used to be excellent.
>
>I ordered Downfall earlier this year and got Apocalypto. I sent it back, no
>problem...after all the error was theirs and according to their policy they
>would refund my postal costs.
Not just Policy, the law!

>
>They did send me Downfall straight away...this was back in July. To date I
>have yet to receive a refund of my postal costs. Last time I phoned them
>(September) I was told it took time to investigate. I will give them another
>call and point out that surely 5 months is a long time to investigate?
The trouble with the phone game is that the monkey you speak to has no 
real responsibility within the company.

Send them a recorded delivery letter to head office, and give them 14 
days to refund you (don't say "14 days" either - pick a date 16/17 days 
after you post the letter).

If (when) they don't refund you, give Trading Standards in Jersey a 
call.

I've spoken to Jersey Trading Standards, and I'm waiting for a case 
worker to get back to me.



-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:18:22 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
"Clem Dye"  wrote in message
news:xgV7j.8438$h35.969@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> Will Tingle wrote:
> > An infinite number of primates hammered away at an infinite number of
> > typewriters. Colin Wilson
> >  said:
> >>> But, alas, Mike was simply a higher ranking monkey - and a rude one to
> >>> boot!
> >>
> >> Just cancel the order, and make sure you cancel the transaction on
> >> your card.
> >
> > It already shipped.
>
> Well, that's OK. Get the goods, then 'phone-up your credit card company
> and put the transaction(s) in dispute when the bill arrives. That way,
> you have the items and you'll not be charged until the issue is resolved.

Or say you never got them and get a credit on your account for missing
goods!
date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:08:07 -0000   author:   Commander Gideon

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
"steve_c"  wrote in message
news:SLydndTwyIw42_3anZ2dnUVZ8saonZ2d@bt.com...
> I don't what has happened to Play.com recently. They used to be excellent.

I have never really had a problem with them,maybe just delivery issues (7
days to Ireland) and i notice they are upping their prices slightly!
date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:11:48 -0000   author:   Commander Gideon

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:08:07 GMT, "Commander Gideon" 
allegedly wrote: 

> "Clem Dye"  wrote in message
> news:xgV7j.8438$h35.969@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> Well, that's OK. Get the goods, then 'phone-up your credit card
>> company and put the transaction(s) in dispute when the bill arrives.
>> That way, you have the items and you'll not be charged until the
>> issue is resolved. 
> 
> Or say you never got them and get a credit on your account for missing
> goods!

If one is getting into a beef with a company, which may or may not take a 
turn into legal circles, then committing fraud probably isn't a good idea.
date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:25:51 +0000 (UTC)   author:   Anuk Su Namun

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
Commander Gideon wrote:
> "steve_c"  wrote in message
> news:SLydndTwyIw42_3anZ2dnUVZ8saonZ2d@bt.com...
>> I don't what has happened to Play.com recently. They used to be excellent.
> 
> I have never really had a problem with them,maybe just delivery issues (7
> days to Ireland) and i notice they are upping their prices slightly!
> 
> 
I've never had a real problem with Play, although things got a little 
mixed-up once when I returned two DVDs in the same package - it seems 
that their Returns department expects titles to be returned singly - 
perhaps they don't teach reading at skool in Jersey. They've always 
promptly refunded postal charges. However, I do agree with another 
poster - Play's prices are starting to get a little on the pricey side. 
I find myself using HMV for most of my R2 purchases now - HMV always 
used to be expensive but seem to be getting keener on pricing lately.

Web stores remind me of Indian restaurants: when they open they give 
great service, but over time things go off the boil (no pun intended) 
and service gets poorer. Customers then avoid theses companies which 
either then go to the wall or make efforts to improve. I'll continue to 
use Play if their prices are good but if I start getting less than 
satisfactory performance I'll go elsewhere - there are plenty of other 
good e-tailers out there.


Clem
date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:17:18 GMT   author:   Clem Dye

Re: Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
Just to keep you all informed:

Still waiting for a reply from Play.com (and indeed from Trading 
Standards)

Looking at the forums of moneysavingexpert.com, others have had similar 
problems (with pricing, not with Monkey Mike the Play.com Customer 
Disservice Manager) even when ordering 3 DVDs
-- 
The more I see of my dickhead half brother...
...the more I think Cain was onto somthing!

Will Tingle
Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail
date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:57:49 GMT   author:   Will Tingle

Re:Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
I am furious with Play.com, I purchased Rock band instruments for the X box., the drum pedal has broken and the the pads are showing signs of wear, as it was only received on 24th May I thought that I would be covered because it is obviously faulty goods. I first rang them on 19th June and was told to get hold of the manufacturers, I sent 5 emails but had no response, rang Play again only to be told that the goods were out of 28 day warranty. I have got hold of trading standards in Jersey and am waiting for a reply. This item cost £99.99 if it was a fiver it wouldn't be so bad but I am not letting this go and I advise anyone to check out what your rights are before buying anything from Play.comurl:http://myreader.co.uk/msg/11167487.aspx
date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:42:39 +0800   author:   glenda skews

Re:Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
"glenda skews" once tried to test me. I ate
their liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti 

> I am furious with Play.com, I purchased Rock band instruments for the
> X box., the drum pedal has broken and the the pads are showing signs
> of wear, as it was only received on 24th May I thought that I would be
> covered because it is obviously faulty goods. I first rang them on
> 19th June and was told to get hold of the manufacturers, I sent 5
> emails but had no response, rang Play again only to be told that the
> goods were out of 28 day warranty. I have got hold of trading
> standards in Jersey and am waiting for a reply. This item cost £99.99
> if it was a fiver it wouldn't be so bad but I am not letting this go
> and I advise anyone to check out what your rights are before buying
> anything from Play.com 
> 
> url:http://myreader.co.uk/msg/11167487.aspx
> 

See how my decent news programme has wrapped your one long unreadable 
line of text...

-- 
Thank you kindly

POD  {Ò¿Ó}
¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
   Oh people, know that you have committed great sins. 
    If you ask me what proof I have for these words, 
    I say it is because I am the punishment of God. 
         If you had not committed great sins, 
  God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:23:57 GMT   author:   POD {???}

Re: Re:Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
"POD {Ò¿Ó}"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AC7C560D577WeLovePOD@195.188.240.200...

> See how my decent news programme has wrapped your one long unreadable
> line of text...


BLATANT thread hijack !

Hi Bud...

Where did those Doctor Who single episode DVDs come from !?

And other than reposts, how can you get hold of the earlier ones??
(Or even just Forest of the Dead!)??

Cheers!!

-- 
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:03:01 +0100   author:   Covenant

Re: Re:Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
"Covenant"  once tried to 
test me. I ate their liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti

> 
> "POD {Ò¿Ó}"  wrote in message 
> news:Xns9AC7C560D577WeLovePOD@195.188.240.200...
> 
>> See how my decent news programme has wrapped your one long unreadable
>> line of text...
> 
> 
> BLATANT thread hijack !
> 
> Hi Bud...
> 
> Where did those Doctor Who single episode DVDs come from !?
> 
> And other than reposts, how can you get hold of the earlier ones??
> (Or even just Forest of the Dead!)??
> 
> Cheers!!
> 

I made them, in a.b.drwho a nice girl called scheherazade caps all the 
material and posts it, and I just stick it all together and add a menu.

If you have a half decent news server, they should all be available in 
there, as they are all under 100 days old.

-- 
Thank you kindly

POD  {Ò¿Ó}
¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
   Oh people, know that you have committed great sins. 
    If you ask me what proof I have for these words, 
    I say it is because I am the punishment of God. 
         If you had not committed great sins, 
  God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸
date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:09:32 GMT   author:   POD {???}

Re: Re:Play.com presents: Mike, the rudest manager Alive   
"POD {Ò¿Ó}"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AC87BBB48EFWeLovePOD@195.188.240.200...
> "Covenant"  once tried to
> test me. I ate their liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti
>
>>
>> "POD {Ò¿Ó}"  wrote in message
>> news:Xns9AC7C560D577WeLovePOD@195.188.240.200...
>>
>>> See how my decent news programme has wrapped your one long unreadable
>>> line of text...
>>
>>
>> BLATANT thread hijack !
>>
>> Hi Bud...
>>
>> Where did those Doctor Who single episode DVDs come from !?
>>
>> And other than reposts, how can you get hold of the earlier ones??
>> (Or even just Forest of the Dead!)??
>>
>> Cheers!!
>>
>
> I made them, in a.b.drwho a nice girl called scheherazade caps all the
> material and posts it, and I just stick it all together and add a menu.


Bloody hell !!!
VERY nice work !

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the second best *fan* menus I've ever seen!

(The star wars IV revisited disc just edges you out.... *just*... (Although 
those were templated from something that already exists!)



> If you have a half decent news server, they should all be available in
> there, as they are all under 100 days old.


YEahhh... there's the problem....

;' )

Cheers

-- 
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:22:00 +0100   author:   Covenant

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