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date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),    group: uk.media.animation.anime        back       
Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi(Tsugumi@Tsugumi.karoo.co.uk) added

> > Some people on another forum are grumbling about paying 25 
> > dollars for a complete set of episodes. Some of us 
> > sorta-old-timers are responding with many scary tales of single 
> > volumes of Bubblegum Crisis purchased for many, many amount of 
> > currency from strange, far off lands... ^_^ [1]
> >
> > [1] Bangor.
> >
> 
> Blimey! What they'd make of me paying £28 for Bubblegum Crisis #8 
> doesn't bear thinking about...

Come to think of it, what we paid for our anime back then doesn't bear thinking
about by us!  ^_^


== Peter ==
-----------------------------------------------------
"There's no such thing as a
weapon that doesn't kill"
(Chise: Saikano)
date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 08:04 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)   author:   (Peter Boulter)

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Peter Boulter"  wrote in message 
news:memo.20080106080400.2788C@starhunter.compulink.co.uk...
> Tsugumi(Tsugumi@Tsugumi.karoo.co.uk) added

>>
>> Blimey! What they'd make of me paying £28 for Bubblegum Crisis #8
>> doesn't bear thinking about...
>
> Come to think of it, what we paid for our anime back then doesn't bear 
> thinking
> about by us!  ^_^
>

Agreed!
We used to buy NTSC vids despite not having a NTSC player. Luckily there was 
a shop around the corner that would convert the tapes to PAL for £12 per 
hour.
That actually seemed to make sense at the time as well...

Tsugumi

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...
date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:06:04 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Peter Boulter"  wrote in message 
> news:memo.20080106080400.2788C@starhunter.compulink.co.uk...
>> Tsugumi(Tsugumi@Tsugumi.karoo.co.uk) added
> 
>>> Blimey! What they'd make of me paying £28 for Bubblegum Crisis #8
>>> doesn't bear thinking about...
>> Come to think of it, what we paid for our anime back then doesn't bear 
>> thinking
>> about by us!  ^_^
>>
> 
> Agreed!
> We used to buy NTSC vids despite not having a NTSC player. Luckily there was 
> a shop around the corner that would convert the tapes to PAL for £12 per 
> hour.
> That actually seemed to make sense at the time as well...

	Going to Shin nen kai - '98? was it? Anyone remember the quiet guy from 
Devon trying to hide in his own skin? - and seeing NSTC tapes of 
Escaflowne (I think) set me down the path of acquiring one of those 
players for my own, a road that had led to me having to learn more about 
various international TV, input, and codec types than I ever wanted to 
know... ^_^

	(The other great revelation was seeing Ben Carters AEGIS system in 
action at Minamicon, which is where I got my first glimpse of the power 
of digital media... )

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:51:39 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:flrf0s$lds$2$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk...
> Going to Shin nen kai - '98? was it? Anyone remember the quiet guy from 
> Devon trying to hide in his own skin? - and seeing NSTC tapes of 
> Escaflowne (I think) set me down the path of acquiring one of those 
> players for my own, a road that had led to me having to learn more about 
> various international TV, input, and codec types than I ever wanted to 
> know... ^_^
>

My main memories of the second Shin (98) was the static shocks off nearly 
everything I touched...
And catching that awful flu bug that was going around.

Who was the Quiet chap from Devon? I must have missed that one...

Tsugumi
date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:52:21 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:flrf0s$lds$2$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Going to Shin nen kai - '98? was it? Anyone remember the quiet guy from 
>> Devon trying to hide in his own skin? - and seeing NSTC tapes of 
>> Escaflowne (I think) set me down the path of acquiring one of those 
>> players for my own, a road that had led to me having to learn more about 
>> various international TV, input, and codec types than I ever wanted to 
>> know... ^_^
>>
> 
> My main memories of the second Shin (98) was the static shocks off nearly 
> everything I touched...
> And catching that awful flu bug that was going around.
> 
> Who was the Quiet chap from Devon? I must have missed that one...

	That was me. ^_^ I was - still am to an extent - not an overly 
confident person at that time, and it took me two days to sort of get 
over the shock. A few more conventions, though, and even I was singing 
"Fly Me To The Moon" badly... ^_^

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:07:21 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
In article ,
   Tsugumi  wrote:

> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:flrf0s$lds$2$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk...
> > Going to Shin nen kai - '98? was it? Anyone remember the quiet guy
> > from Devon trying to hide in his own skin? - and seeing NSTC tapes of
> > Escaflowne (I think) set me down the path of acquiring one of those
> > players for my own, a road that had led to me having to learn more
> > about various international TV, input, and codec types than I ever
> > wanted to know... ^_^

> My main memories of the second Shin (98) was the static shocks off
> nearly everything I touched...
> And catching that awful flu bug that was going around.

Can't remember which year it was I went, but I only went once. Spent a lot
of my time chasing Eva eps around the hotel.

> Who was the Quiet chap from Devon? I must have missed that one...

That was the guy with the big sign pointing at him with "from Devon"
written on it? ;)

-- 
 //\  // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
//  \//  "Word to the wise guy; be nice or be dog food!"

... Don't believe in astrology. We Scorpios aren't taken in by such things.
date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:17:09 +0000 (GMT)   author:   Chika lid

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Chika wrote:
> In article ,
>    Tsugumi  wrote:
> 
>> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
>> news:flrf0s$lds$2$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> Going to Shin nen kai - '98? was it? Anyone remember the quiet guy
>>> from Devon trying to hide in his own skin? - and seeing NSTC tapes of
>>> Escaflowne (I think) set me down the path of acquiring one of those
>>> players for my own, a road that had led to me having to learn more
>>> about various international TV, input, and codec types than I ever
>>> wanted to know... ^_^
> 
>> My main memories of the second Shin (98) was the static shocks off
>> nearly everything I touched...
>> And catching that awful flu bug that was going around.
> 
> Can't remember which year it was I went, but I only went once. Spent a lot
> of my time chasing Eva eps around the hotel.
> 
>> Who was the Quiet chap from Devon? I must have missed that one...
> 
> That was the guy with the big sign pointing at him with "from Devon"
> written on it? ;)
> 
	Thats so other people can tell us how to get home etc. ^_^

	Just don't go boating round our shores anytime soon, will you? ^_^

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:44:51 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:flrjer$nh4$3$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Tsugumi wrote:
>> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
>> news:flrf0s$lds$2$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Who was the Quiet chap from Devon? I must have missed that one...
>
> That was me. ^_^ I was - still am to an extent - not an overly confident 
> person at that time, and it took me two days to sort of get over the 
> shock. A few more conventions, though, and even I was singing "Fly Me To 
> The Moon" badly... ^_^
>

Ah, but I did meet you at Minami the year after, I think.
And I'm sure you did "Fly Me To The Moon" at least as well as Blessin's 
sister...

Tsugumi
date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:09:15 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:flrjer$nh4$3$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Tsugumi wrote:
>>> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
>>> news:flrf0s$lds$2$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> Who was the Quiet chap from Devon? I must have missed that one...
>> That was me. ^_^ I was - still am to an extent - not an overly confident 
>> person at that time, and it took me two days to sort of get over the 
>> shock. A few more conventions, though, and even I was singing "Fly Me To 
>> The Moon" badly... ^_^
>>
> 
> Ah, but I did meet you at Minami the year after, I think.
> And I'm sure you did "Fly Me To The Moon" at least as well as Blessin's 
> sister...

	My memory is never a reliable tool, but yep, I did go to a Minami very 
shortly afterwards. And Fly Me To The Moon has the advantages a) its the 
only song I can remember the words to and b) its in English. ^_^


-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:07:26 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:51:39 +0000, Justin Palmer
 wrote:

>Tsugumi wrote:
>> "Peter Boulter"  wrote in message 
>> news:memo.20080106080400.2788C@starhunter.compulink.co.uk...
>>> Tsugumi(Tsugumi@Tsugumi.karoo.co.uk) added
>> 
>>>> Blimey! What they'd make of me paying £28 for Bubblegum Crisis #8
>>>> doesn't bear thinking about...
>>> Come to think of it, what we paid for our anime back then doesn't bear 
>>> thinking
>>> about by us!  ^_^
>>>
>> 
>> Agreed!
>> We used to buy NTSC vids despite not having a NTSC player. Luckily there was 
>> a shop around the corner that would convert the tapes to PAL for £12 per 
>> hour.
>> That actually seemed to make sense at the time as well...
>
>	Going to Shin nen kai - '98? was it? Anyone remember the quiet guy from 
>Devon trying to hide in his own skin? - and seeing NSTC tapes of 
>Escaflowne (I think) set me down the path of acquiring one of those 
>players for my own, a road that had led to me having to learn more about 
>various international TV, input, and codec types than I ever wanted to 
>know... ^_^
>

Ahh, Shinnnnnn 98, one of the later cons. :)
I remember (but only just young whippersnapper you!) going to AD1!!!!
Myself and a friend of mine planned the entire day out, running from
room to room to catch the start of the next item in the programme, so
that we didn't miss anything. Ah those were the days! :)
--
Tsunami
If at first you don't succeed, give up skydiving!
tsunami@nospam.jyurai.co.uk
date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:46:09 GMT   author:   Tsunami

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Mappy"  wrote in message 
news:911ebd97-065f-489f-bf72-41cc075d564b@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 10 Jan, 21:46, Tsunami  wrote:
> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
> Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:51:39 +0000, Justin Palmer


>Blimey! Shinnenkai isn't a con name I've heard in a decade! It takes
>me back to Minami Con 2 and Recontanimated back in the darkages with
>anime like Vilgust on 4th generation NTSC tapes. Those were indeed the
>days where getting some fansubbed anime (no matter how shoddy the
>translation nor quality) from some random fansubber brought so much
>excitement :D

I've got a lot of fond memories of the earlier cons, they did seem to be 
more fun. Perhaps because it was all new and there was lots to discover.
I think getting a prize for our Dirty Pair costumes at one of the 
Contanimateds is going to be permanently etched on my memory...

Tsugumi

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...
http://www.tsugumi.karoo.net/
date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:43:02 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:43:02 -0000, "Tsugumi"
 wrote:

>
>"Mappy"  wrote in message 
>news:911ebd97-065f-489f-bf72-41cc075d564b@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>On 10 Jan, 21:46, Tsunami  wrote:
>> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
>> Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:51:39 +0000, Justin Palmer
>
>
>>Blimey! Shinnenkai isn't a con name I've heard in a decade! It takes
>>me back to Minami Con 2 and Recontanimated back in the darkages with
>>anime like Vilgust on 4th generation NTSC tapes. Those were indeed the
>>days where getting some fansubbed anime (no matter how shoddy the
>>translation nor quality) from some random fansubber brought so much
>>excitement :D
>
>I've got a lot of fond memories of the earlier cons, they did seem to be 
>more fun. Perhaps because it was all new and there was lots to discover.
>I think getting a prize for our Dirty Pair costumes at one of the 
>Contanimateds is going to be permanently etched on my memory...
>
Yes, and quite a few other peoples memories too...
No matter how many counseling sessions we had to try to forget...
--
Tsunami
If at first you don't succeed, give up skydiving!
tsunami@nospam.jyurai.co.uk
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:14:49 GMT   author:   Tsunami

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Mappy"  wrote in message 
> news:911ebd97-065f-489f-bf72-41cc075d564b@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 Jan, 21:46, Tsunami  wrote:
>> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
>> Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:51:39 +0000, Justin Palmer
> 
> 
>> Blimey! Shinnenkai isn't a con name I've heard in a decade! It takes
>> me back to Minami Con 2 and Recontanimated back in the darkages with
>> anime like Vilgust on 4th generation NTSC tapes. Those were indeed the
>> days where getting some fansubbed anime (no matter how shoddy the
>> translation nor quality) from some random fansubber brought so much
>> excitement :D
> 
> I've got a lot of fond memories of the earlier cons, they did seem to be 
> more fun. Perhaps because it was all new and there was lots to discover.
> I think getting a prize for our Dirty Pair costumes at one of the 
> Contanimateds is going to be permanently etched on my memory...

	And, I rather suspect, everyone elses... ^_^

	I think I've said this before, but if there is one thing I do miss 
about a hobby that has improved in so many almost 
impossible-to-comprehend ways its the air of mystery. It was a real 
moment of happiness when some treasure from that strange, remote, alien 
wonderland known as Japan some how escaped across the Pacific and found 
its way onto a collision course with my curiosity. There used to be a 
small comics shop in Exeter (not Krackers/Ace Comics) that used to have 
a small stock of mecha model kits. I recognised the designs from playing 
BattleTech, but they had Japanese writing all over them.

	Many years later later, I found out about Dougram...

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:49:45 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:fml5if$9qe$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> And, I rather suspect, everyone elses... ^_^

Gotta admit I crapped myself doing that. I remember saying "Thank you for 
that warm hand on our entrance" then scarpering...
>
> I think I've said this before, but if there is one thing I do miss about a 
> hobby that has improved in so many almost impossible-to-comprehend ways 
> its the air of mystery. It was a real moment of happiness when some 
> treasure from that strange, remote, alien wonderland known as Japan some 
> how escaped across the Pacific and found its way onto a collision course 
> with my curiosity. There used to be a small comics shop in Exeter (not 
> Krackers/Ace Comics) that used to have a small stock of mecha model kits. 
> I recognised the designs from playing BattleTech, but they had Japanese 
> writing all over them.
>
Well said that man!
When we started getting into anime there seems to be a magic about finding 
out about it - a bit like Jack Skellington discovering christmas...

Our local model shop in Hull had some "Zamac" kits in about '83 - for 99p 
each. I knew the guy who ran it and as I'd bought the lot, he gave me a load 
of posters and promtional bumf.
I wasn't Otakuised them, I just knew they were Japanese and sci-fi, 
therefore worthy of my interest...

Tsugumi

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...
http://www.tsugumi.karoo.net/
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:02:00 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Mappy"  wrote in message 
news:3334796a-372d-48bc-b4ea-05e615773c0c@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 1$B7n(B15$BF|(B, $B8a8e(B11:43, "Tsugumi"  wrote:
>> "Mappy"  wrote in message

>
> AHA, I'VE FOUND YOU! You gave me nightmares for years after that con!
> I've got 1 photo to remind myself :D I even took it to Japan with my
> other cosplay photos and showed various "professional" cosplayers I
> know and Jesus, they laughed! I don't know if they'd remember but the
> staff of the Cure Maid Cafe really enjoyed that picture!

A nightmare to some - a dream to others!
Thinking about it probably not...

To your great relief (and many others people's I'm sure) I gave up on the 
cosplay when people started talking about their "Art".
I wish I could have seen the faces of the people you showed my pic to...
(I was Kei BTW).

>
> Speaking of which, I've just sent them a box of PG Tips and 2 small
> boxes of Harrods tea in the hope they'll try them and tell me if they
> prefer the expensive stuff or commoner's tea. I only drink commoner's
> tea.
>
A friend of mine regularly goes over to Japan and does a British sunday 
lunch for them while he's there. He also showed a gathering of 40 something 
Japanese ladies the fine art of biker dancing...

BTW, our friend's son-in-law is an architect and designed his own house. The 
living room is separated from the garage by a glass wall, so you can look in 
at the F1 Racer, the Diablo and the Ferrari...

Tsugumi - who will be gophering but not cosplaying at Minami.

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...
http://www.tsugumi.karoo.net/
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:16:57 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Tsunami"  wrote in message 
news:g31ro31bkb83v5fl8lo7v5trq1liloq954@4ax.com...
> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
> Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:43:02 -0000, "Tsugumi"
>  wrote:
>
>>I've got a lot of fond memories of the earlier cons, they did seem to be
>>more fun. Perhaps because it was all new and there was lots to discover.
>>I think getting a prize for our Dirty Pair costumes at one of the
>>Contanimateds is going to be permanently etched on my memory...
>>
> Yes, and quite a few other peoples memories too...
> No matter how many counseling sessions we had to try to forget...
> --

Just be glad I never did Kikku Kamen...

Tsugumi

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...

http://www.tsugumi.karoo.net/
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:18:51 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:fml5if$9qe$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> And, I rather suspect, everyone elses... ^_^
> 
> Gotta admit I crapped myself doing that. I remember saying "Thank you for 
> that warm hand on our entrance" then scarpering...
>> I think I've said this before, but if there is one thing I do miss about a 
>> hobby that has improved in so many almost impossible-to-comprehend ways 
>> its the air of mystery. It was a real moment of happiness when some 
>> treasure from that strange, remote, alien wonderland known as Japan some 
>> how escaped across the Pacific and found its way onto a collision course 
>> with my curiosity. 
(snip)
> Well said that man!

	I think this is also why I've been hungering after older series 
recently - they're not as promoted as much and the fanbase has to have a 
degree of interest (in other words, I'm saying that mecha fans are 
maniacs... ^_^) beyond just liking the look of a series.

> When we started getting into anime there seems to be a magic about finding 
> out about it - a bit like Jack Skellington discovering christmas...
> 
> Our local model shop in Hull had some "Zamac" kits in about '83 - for 99p 
> each. 
	
	You know you've been a mecha fan too long when you start searching the 
web for this legendary lost giant robot series "ZAMAC" and find instead 
its a line of model car kits... ^_^

I knew the guy who ran it and as I'd bought the lot, he gave me a load
> of posters and promtional bumf.
> I wasn't Otakuised them, I just knew they were Japanese and sci-fi, 
> therefore worthy of my interest...

	I get quite spooked sometimes thinking about how I feel I might have 
been primed from a very early age; my favourite cartoons when I was 
young were all the Japanese-involved ones, like Battle of the Planets 
and Cities of Gold. I nearly had a heart attack when I discovered the 
true origins of Star Fleet... ^_^

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:44:45 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Mappy wrote:
> On 16 Jan, 18:16, "Tsugumi"  wrote:
>> "Mappy"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:3334796a-372d-48bc-b4ea-05e615773c0c@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On 1$B7n(B15$BF|(B, $B8a8e(B11:43, "Tsugumi"  wrote:
>>>> "Mappy"  wrote in message
>
(snip)

 When Justin and I go to Japan
> this year, we'll be doing likewise. 

(snip)

	No, Mappy will be doing that; I'll be hiding in the deepest recesses of
the mecha toy section. ^_^


-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
 - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:38 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:18:51 -0000, "Tsugumi"
 wrote:

>
>"Tsunami"  wrote in message 
>news:g31ro31bkb83v5fl8lo7v5trq1liloq954@4ax.com...
>> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
>> Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:43:02 -0000, "Tsugumi"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>I've got a lot of fond memories of the earlier cons, they did seem to be
>>>more fun. Perhaps because it was all new and there was lots to discover.
>>>I think getting a prize for our Dirty Pair costumes at one of the
>>>Contanimateds is going to be permanently etched on my memory...
>>>
>> Yes, and quite a few other peoples memories too...
>> No matter how many counseling sessions we had to try to forget...
>> --
>
>Just be glad I never did Kikku Kamen...
>
>Tsugumi
Just be glad I never did Dokoro-chan! Mwuhahahahahahahah :)
--
Tsunami
If at first you don't succeed, give up skydiving!
tsunami@nospam.jyurai.co.uk
date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:36:04 GMT   author:   Tsunami

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:44:45 +0000, Justin Palmer
 wrote:

>Tsugumi wrote:
>> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
>> news:fml5if$9qe$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> And, I rather suspect, everyone elses... ^_^
>> 
>> Gotta admit I crapped myself doing that. I remember saying "Thank you for 
>> that warm hand on our entrance" then scarpering...
>>> I think I've said this before, but if there is one thing I do miss about a 
>>> hobby that has improved in so many almost impossible-to-comprehend ways 
>>> its the air of mystery. It was a real moment of happiness when some 
>>> treasure from that strange, remote, alien wonderland known as Japan some 
>>> how escaped across the Pacific and found its way onto a collision course 
>>> with my curiosity. 
>(snip)
>> Well said that man!
>
>	I think this is also why I've been hungering after older series 
>recently - they're not as promoted as much and the fanbase has to have a 
>degree of interest (in other words, I'm saying that mecha fans are 
>maniacs... ^_^) beyond just liking the look of a series.
>
>> When we started getting into anime there seems to be a magic about finding 
>> out about it - a bit like Jack Skellington discovering christmas...
>> 
>> Our local model shop in Hull had some "Zamac" kits in about '83 - for 99p 
>> each. 
>	
>	You know you've been a mecha fan too long when you start searching the 
>web for this legendary lost giant robot series "ZAMAC" and find instead 
>its a line of model car kits... ^_^
>
>I knew the guy who ran it and as I'd bought the lot, he gave me a load
>> of posters and promtional bumf.
>> I wasn't Otakuised them, I just knew they were Japanese and sci-fi, 
>> therefore worthy of my interest...
>
>	I get quite spooked sometimes thinking about how I feel I might have 
>been primed from a very early age; my favourite cartoons when I was 
>young were all the Japanese-involved ones, like Battle of the Planets 
>and Cities of Gold. I nearly had a heart attack when I discovered the 
>true origins of Star Fleet... ^_^

Late-commer, I was into Marine boy! :)
--
Tsunami
If at first you don't succeed, give up skydiving!
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date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:37:20 GMT   author:   Tsunami

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Tsunami"  wrote in message 
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> Late-commer, I was into Marine boy! :)
> --

Same here ^_^

Tsugumi

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date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:05:27 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsunami wrote:
> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
> Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:44:45 +0000, Justin Palmer
>  wrote:

(snip)

>> 	I get quite spooked sometimes thinking about how I feel I might have 
>> been primed from a very early age; my favourite cartoons when I was 
>> young were all the Japanese-involved ones, like Battle of the Planets 
>> and Cities of Gold. I nearly had a heart attack when I discovered the 
>> true origins of Star Fleet... ^_^
> 
> Late-commer, I was into Marine boy! :)

	That sounds... very wrong... somehow. ^_^

-- 
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* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
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date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:37:43 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Mappy wrote:
> On 16 Jan, 20:33, Justin Palmer  wrote:
>> Mappy wrote:
>>> On 16 Jan, 18:16, "Tsugumi"  wrote:
>>>> "Mappy"  wrote in message
>>>> news:3334796a-372d-48bc-b4ea-05e615773c0c@v67g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 1$B7n(B15$BF|(B, $B8a8e(B11:43, "Tsugumi"  wrote:
>>>>>> "Mappy"  wrote in message
>> (snip)
>>
>>  When Justin and I go to Japan
>>
>>> this year, we'll be doing likewise.
>> (snip)
>>
>>         No, Mappy will be doing that; I'll be hiding in the deepest recesses of
>> the mecha toy section. ^_^
> 
> You lie and I have agents waiting for you.

	They can't handle the Gundam!

 We didn't kill each other
> the last and first time we went to Japan, this time I won't make the
> same mistake!

	Ah, so you're learnt the kanji for "Ladies Bath" this time round? ^_^

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
 - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:39:18 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Mappy"  wrote in message 
news:17d61189-b6f6-43ab-b5b2-65a5d50d021b@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On 16 Jan, 18:16, "Tsugumi"  wrote:
>> "Mappy"  wrote in message
>>
>> To your great relief (and many others people's I'm sure) I gave up on the
>> cosplay when people started talking about their "Art".
>
> Sounds like the sort of people who'd collect modern art (no offence
> intended.)

When I saw comments like "Can you tell me if metal armour is allowed at your 
con, I'll be in character all weekend and if I can't wear my armour I simply 
won't go...", I knew it was time to hang up my (not very) padded bra.

> Whether you were Kei or Yuri (no, not that kind of yuri) then it was
> still sick and I have to say, sir, I salute you! The Japanese are a
> conservative, reserved race. When they saw your photo, it all went out
> of the window and laughter could be heard hundreds of meters away and
> I'm not joking! :D

I appreciate your salutations! None of our later costumes had quite the 
shock value of the DP ^_^


> Biker dancing... I'm not familiar with it but if it's English then I
> highly support spreading "Englishness."

It's dancing to "Tiger Feet" by Mud...

>> BTW, our friend's son-in-law is an architect and designed his own house. 
>> The
>> living room is separated from the garage by a glass wall, so you can look 
>> in
>> at the F1 Racer, the Diablo and the Ferrari...
>
> Blimy!

I found his website, the house on the main page is his, I believe. Look at 
the second to last pic on the page I've sent and you'll see one of the cars.
http://www.terajima.co.jp/simple-modern/segment.html

>
>> Tsugumi - who will be gophering but not cosplaying at Minami.
>
> Wish I could go to a con but until I can get my finances in regular
> check, I'm not going anywhere other than Japan I'm afraid. If you're
> ever in Reading then give me a shout and I'll buy you a pint.
>
I shall look forward to
a) the prospect of a pint and
b) going to Minami.

Tsugumi

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...
http://www.tsugumi.karoo.net/
date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:08:08 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:fmljb3$jhp$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...

> You know you've been a mecha fan too long when you start searching the web 
> for this legendary lost giant robot series "ZAMAC" and find instead its a 
> line of model car kits... ^_^


I'm probably walking into a running gag here, but the only other time I've 
seen a Zamac kit was a couple of years ago at a con. Was it actually a 
series?

Tsugumi

-- 
Ah - Lord Haversham!
I haven't seen you since 1869 - but then we were both cardboard...
http://www.tsugumi.karoo.net/
date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:17:40 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:fmljb3$jhp$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> 
>> You know you've been a mecha fan too long when you start searching the web 
>> for this legendary lost giant robot series "ZAMAC" and find instead its a 
>> line of model car kits... ^_^
> 
> 
> I'm probably walking into a running gag here, but the only other time I've 
> seen a Zamac kit was a couple of years ago at a con. Was it actually a 
> series?

	I can't seem to tell. When I input "Zamac" into Google I got a load of 
car kits, so I assumed the joke was on me, although the term does ring a 
very vague bell in the collective mecha fan consciousness [1]...

	...ah, yes:

	http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/other/other_pic231.htm

	I must have seen it somewhere, possibly at Macross World. Apparently, 
no, there wasn't a series, presumably because the Bandai 
Death-Copyright-Star would have blown them off the face of Japan.

	Apparently, mecha design legend and head-of-Section-9-in-his-spare-time 
Shinji Aramaki was involved.

-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:16:02 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:37:43 +0000, Justin Palmer
 wrote:

>Tsunami wrote:
>> While strolling carefully through the minefield that is Usenet, on
>> Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:44:45 +0000, Justin Palmer
>>  wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>>> 	I get quite spooked sometimes thinking about how I feel I might have 
>>> been primed from a very early age; my favourite cartoons when I was 
>>> young were all the Japanese-involved ones, like Battle of the Planets 
>>> and Cities of Gold. I nearly had a heart attack when I discovered the 
>>> true origins of Star Fleet... ^_^
>> 
>> Late-commer, I was into Marine boy! :)
>
>	That sounds... very wrong... somehow. ^_^

Don't ask, don't tell...  ^_^

-- 
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"Now I know why they call 'em lemons.  They leave a sour taste in my
mouth."  - from "Anime Detective:  Crossover Crisis", by Pearson Mui
date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:15:34 GMT   author:   (Rob Kelk)

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:fmo9hq$366$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...

> I can't seem to tell. When I input "Zamac" into Google I got a load of car 
> kits, so I assumed the joke was on me, although the term does ring a very 
> vague bell in the collective mecha fan consciousness [1]...
>
> ...ah, yes:
>
> http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/other/other_pic231.htm
>
> I must have seen it somewhere, possibly at Macross World. Apparently, no, 
> there wasn't a series, presumably because the Bandai Death-Copyright-Star 
> would have blown them off the face of Japan.
>
> Apparently, mecha design legend and head-of-Section-9-in-his-spare-time 
> Shinji Aramaki was involved.
>

Ah thanks for the info. I remember the five pilots featured on the box art 
fitted the standerd "team", i.e. leader bloke, female, slightly dangerous 
bloke, wierd sqeaky of undetermined gender and hefty bloke. Having seen 
"Battle of the Planets", at the time, I naturally assumed the kits must be 
based on a series.

Tsugumi
date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:38:46 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
In article ,
   Tsugumi  wrote:

> "Tsunami"  wrote in message 
> news:7p1to3pii0alm0651kc8l9hhp8vp6vt3ou@4ax.com...

> > Late-commer, I was into Marine boy! :)

> Same here ^_^

That's a series I really wish somebody would put out on DVD or whatever.

-- 
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//  \//  "Word to the wise guy; be nice or be dog food!"

... Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:11:07 +0000 (GMT)   author:   Chika lid

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:fmo9hq$366$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> 

(snip - ZAMAC. Not what they call a Big Mac in France, apparently).
>>
>> http://www.cg-lair.co.uk/other/other_pic231.htm
>>
>> I must have seen it somewhere, possibly at Macross World. Apparently, no, 
>> there wasn't a series, presumably because the Bandai Death-Copyright-Star 
>> would have blown them off the face of Japan.
>>
>> Apparently, mecha design legend and head-of-Section-9-in-his-spare-time 
>> Shinji Aramaki was involved.
>>
> 
> Ah thanks for the info. I remember the five pilots featured on the box art 
> fitted the standerd "team", i.e. leader bloke, female, slightly dangerous 
> bloke, wierd sqeaky of undetermined gender and hefty bloke. Having seen 
> "Battle of the Planets", at the time, I naturally assumed the kits must be 
> based on a series.

	You're welcome. I wonder what the other designs looked like, and if 
they escaped to the West under different guises, like certain 
Transformers and Revells pre-Robotech "Convertors" kits...


-- 
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* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:42:09 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:fmtucc$qie$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Tsugumi wrote:
>> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
>> news:fmo9hq$366$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
.
>
> You're welcome. I wonder what the other designs looked like, and if they 
> escaped to the West under different guises, like certain Transformers and 
> Revells pre-Robotech "Convertors" kits...
>

Well I bought all five original kits, and as I said I got a load of promo 
bumph with them. Amongst the bumph was a double sided poster one side 
showing the mechs in an "action" group pose and the other side had a cutaway 
view of each mech. I gave it away a year or so later under pressure from my 
then girlfriend to "grow up".
I remember a sixth mech "Run-Valam" was released about 6 months later. I've 
literally just Googled that and found a site on the Japanese Wikipedia that 
listed the mechs:
JE-01 (JHAU-ZAMAC)
ZF-31 (VA-GAL)
YA-25 (JHA-GIGA)
XS-14 (DA-WEB)
YP-23 (MA-DRUM)
Later releases:
ZS-86 (RUN-VALAM) a wierd three legged thingy
(DHA-GARDS) - I'd forgotten this one it was a sort of cut price AT-AT.
MA-92 (GERWALK HARRIER)
FB-40 (GERWALK PHANTOM)
Never saw the last two in our local model shops...

Even better, I've just found a site with some of the boxes! - 
http://necton.egoism.jp/megaro.htm
and http://billgates.egloos.com/3505818

Looking at those, I can lay to rest a ghost from my past ^_^

Tsugumi
date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:24:59 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Tsugumi wrote:
> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
> news:fmtucc$qie$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Tsugumi wrote:
>>> "Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
>>> news:fmo9hq$366$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> .
>> You're welcome. I wonder what the other designs looked like, and if they 
>> escaped to the West under different guises, like certain Transformers and 
>> Revells pre-Robotech "Convertors" kits...
>>
> 
> Well I bought all five original kits, and as I said I got a load of promo 
> bumph with them. Amongst the bumph was a double sided poster one side 
> showing the mechs in an "action" group pose and the other side had a cutaway 
> view of each mech. I gave it away a year or so later under pressure from my 
> then girlfriend to "grow up".

	How does one do that then? ^_^

> I remember a sixth mech "Run-Valam" was released about 6 months later. I've 
> literally just Googled that and found a site on the Japanese Wikipedia that 
> listed the mechs:
> JE-01 (JHAU-ZAMAC)
> ZF-31 (VA-GAL)
> YA-25 (JHA-GIGA)
> XS-14 (DA-WEB)
> YP-23 (MA-DRUM)
> Later releases:
> ZS-86 (RUN-VALAM) a wierd three legged thingy
> (DHA-GARDS) - I'd forgotten this one it was a sort of cut price AT-AT.
> MA-92 (GERWALK HARRIER)
> FB-40 (GERWALK PHANTOM)
> Never saw the last two in our local model shops...
> 
> Even better, I've just found a site with some of the boxes! - 
> http://necton.egoism.jp/megaro.htm
> and http://billgates.egloos.com/3505818
> 
> Looking at those, I can lay to rest a ghost from my past ^_^
> 
	Wow - thanks for those links! That GERWALK Phantom is both very, very 
wrong and the greatest thing ever... ^_^


-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:47:13 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
"Justin Palmer"  wrote in message 
news:fn0fh1$e7g$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Well I bought all five original kits, and as I said I got a load of promo 
>> bumph with them. Amongst the bumph was a double sided poster one side 
>> showing the mechs in an "action" group pose and the other side had a 
>> cutaway view of each mech. I gave it away a year or so later under 
>> pressure from my then girlfriend to "grow up".
>
> How does one do that then? ^_^


Buggered if I know...
I think it means stopping doing everything you enjoy.
I bumped into her a few years back. She asked what I was doing, "Learning 
Japanese" came the answer. "Oh" she said "So you're still doing wierd stuff 
...."

One of my recent ex-girlfriends was quite the reverse - i.e. a bigger fan 
than me. She got obsessed by "The Lord Of The Rings", she still has a 
profile on a celebrity look-a-likes sites as a Frodo/Elijah Wood 
look-a-like...


>>
>> Even better, I've just found a site with some of the boxes! - 
>> http://necton.egoism.jp/megaro.htm
>> and http://billgates.egloos.com/3505818
>>
>> Looking at those, I can lay to rest a ghost from my past ^_^
>>
> Wow - thanks for those links! That GERWALK Phantom is both very, very 
> wrong and the greatest thing ever... ^_^
>
Glad you liked it ^_^
Hull model shops got some really cool Japanese kits in the early 80's. I had 
quite a few Robotech kits, I was quite partial to the Armoured Valkyrie, 
although I haden't a clue what it was ^_^
I also had a mech repair bay diorama which I thought was the mutt's nuts.

Tsugumi
date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:24:42 -0000   author:   Tsugumi

Re: There are no old, bold anime fans...   
Mappy wrote:
> On 6 Jan, 20:51, Justin Palmer  wrote:

(snip)

>>         (The other great revelation was seeing Ben Carters AEGIS system in
>> action at Minamicon, which is where I got my first glimpse of the power
>> of digital media... )
> 
> Ben Carter, now that's an old skool name that brings back memories!
>
	Oh, I wouldn't say he was old... (lets see if we can land Mappy in it 
for once... ^_^)


-- 
*"Magic Girl supposed wear cute     *justin@briareos.demon.co.uk*
* thing! Not... "                   *                           *
* "You wanna look cute or kick ass?"*                           *
  - Yuki and Largo, Megatokyo.       *       All outta gum.      *
date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:03:50 +0000   author:   Justin Palmer

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