The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although it 
can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the nature 
of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.

If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself and 
finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the 
reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect what 
is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison from 
which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish 
would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued 
existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only leave 
the goldfish stranded in air.

If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is 
unable to affect change.

The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order to 
live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings 
are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both the 
goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results in 
demise.

If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two 
choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, the 
goldfish is doomed.

"Meldon"  wrote in message news:13n07cbl9cnl71b@corp.supernews.com...
> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although it
> can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the nature
> of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
>
> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself and
> finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the
> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect what
> is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison from
> which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish
> would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued
> existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only leave
> the goldfish stranded in air.
>
> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is
> unable to affect change.
>
> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order to
> live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings
> are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both the
> goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results in
> demise.
>
> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two
> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, the
> goldfish is doomed.
>

Interesting construct. This reality though is determined on the goldfish
being a goldfish, with no means to affect change even with a perception
of,  or beyond, its confines. In other words this reality, is bound to a
reality where only the laws of goldfish applies. Now if you are talking
of the goldfish bowl that's a whole different problem.

Can one talk of the goldfish bowl without talking of the goldfish?

"TruthSlave"  wrote in message 
news:7hXbj.18783$1j1.12920@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
> "Meldon"  wrote in message 
> news:13n07cbl9cnl71b@corp.supernews.com...
>> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although 
>> it
>> can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the 
>> nature
>> of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
>>
>> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself 
>> and
>> finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the
>> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect 
>> what
>> is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison 
>> from
>> which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish
>> would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued
>> existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only 
>> leave
>> the goldfish stranded in air.
>>
>> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is
>> unable to affect change.
>>
>> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order 
>> to
>> live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings
>> are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both 
>> the
>> goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results 
>> in
>> demise.
>>
>> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two
>> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, 
>> the
>> goldfish is doomed.
>>
>
> Interesting construct. This reality though is determined on the goldfish
> being a goldfish, with no means to affect change even with a perception
> of,  or beyond, its confines.

Very good. The goldfish models a human within the confines of the 
environment in which it finds itself. The model suggests humans can not 
change what is inside or outside the bowl.

Your critique assumes humans can affect change inside, and or outside the 
bowl. I eagerly await the justification for your position.



>In other words this reality, is bound to a
> reality where only the laws of goldfish applies. Now if you are talking
> of the goldfish bowl that's a whole different problem.

How can the goldfish (human) affect change to the bowl (confines) or anythin 
outside the bowl?


>
> Can one talk of the goldfish bowl without talking of the goldfish?
>
>

Yes. However, without the goldfish, the bowl is irrelevant to the goldfish. 
The two are linked since that's the relationship being shown and is assumed 
within the model.

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:01:56 -0500, Meldon  of soc.men gushed...
> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although it 
> can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the nature 
> of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
> 
> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself and 
> finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the 
> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect what 
> is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison from 
> which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish 
> would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued 
> existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only leave 
> the goldfish stranded in air.
> 
> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is 
> unable to affect change.
> 
> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order to 
> live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings 
> are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both the 
> goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results in 
> demise.
> 
> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two 
> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, the 
> goldfish is doomed. 

Oh my. Nothing quite like the cheery, optimistic blatherings of Meldon to chase away the 
winter blues. 

-- 
DR

Obsessed with Dave Batista

1# on Piggy's faux "k00k nominations" lits

Co-conspirator of the Censorship of Tom Smith

Arguably, the most hated Troll of soc.men

-----------------------------
Favorite Netkook quotes (A work in progress):

"Talk to the finger, because you *ain't* worth the hand." - Andre Lieven


"I mean it's no accident that a woman's vagina is shaped like a purse. 
I guess you're suppose to put money in it!" - The Starmaker


"I think the "Ho" moniker that Imus was fired for is also being fought
here.  Notice after a respectable time how Petey (PJR) showed up and
started doing his counter insurgency work with Darling Regan (Ms HO).
It won't be long that any post with "Ho" in the title will get the
same message.  The Big Eight will move against us eventually and the
open Usenet will be open only in so far as it doesn't offend the
Ho's.  That's the power of feminism." - Tom "Masculist" Smith


"Hey, guess what? That was my OPINION. I didn't present it as cold hard
objective TRUTH. An OPINION is not something you get to argue about -
I'm entitled to my OPINIONS. So fuck off." - Viking


-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:19:40 -0500, Meldon  of soc.men gushed...
> 
> "TruthSlave"  wrote in message 
> news:7hXbj.18783$1j1.12920@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Meldon"  wrote in message 
> > news:13n07cbl9cnl71b@corp.supernews.com...
> >> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although 
> >> it
> >> can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the 
> >> nature
> >> of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
> >>
> >> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself 
> >> and
> >> finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the
> >> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect 
> >> what
> >> is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison 
> >> from
> >> which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish
> >> would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued
> >> existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only 
> >> leave
> >> the goldfish stranded in air.
> >>
> >> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is
> >> unable to affect change.
> >>
> >> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order 
> >> to
> >> live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings
> >> are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both 
> >> the
> >> goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results 
> >> in
> >> demise.
> >>
> >> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two
> >> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, 
> >> the
> >> goldfish is doomed.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting construct. This reality though is determined on the goldfish
> > being a goldfish, with no means to affect change even with a perception
> > of,  or beyond, its confines.
> 
> Very good. The goldfish models a human within the confines of the 
> environment in which it finds itself. The model suggests humans can not 
> change what is inside or outside the bowl.
> 
> Your critique assumes humans can affect change inside, and or outside the 
> bowl. I eagerly await the justification for your position.
> 
> 
> 
> >In other words this reality, is bound to a
> > reality where only the laws of goldfish applies. Now if you are talking
> > of the goldfish bowl that's a whole different problem.
> 
> How can the goldfish (human) affect change to the bowl (confines) or anythin 
> outside the bowl?
> 
> 
> >
> > Can one talk of the goldfish bowl without talking of the goldfish?
> >
> >
> 
> Yes. However, without the goldfish, the bowl is irrelevant to the goldfish. 
> The two are linked since that's the relationship being shown and is assumed 
> within the model. 

It's Christmas Eve. Don't you have some presents to wrap (or an underage daughter to pump full 
of incestuous sperm)? 

-- 
DR

Obsessed with Dave Batista

1# on Piggy's faux "k00k nominations" lits

Co-conspirator of the Censorship of Tom Smith

Arguably, the most hated Troll of soc.men

-----------------------------
Favorite Netkook quotes (A work in progress):

"Talk to the finger, because you *ain't* worth the hand." - Andre Lieven


"I mean it's no accident that a woman's vagina is shaped like a purse. 
I guess you're suppose to put money in it!" - The Starmaker


"I think the "Ho" moniker that Imus was fired for is also being fought
here.  Notice after a respectable time how Petey (PJR) showed up and
started doing his counter insurgency work with Darling Regan (Ms HO).
It won't be long that any post with "Ho" in the title will get the
same message.  The Big Eight will move against us eventually and the
open Usenet will be open only in so far as it doesn't offend the
Ho's.  That's the power of feminism." - Tom "Masculist" Smith


"Hey, guess what? That was my OPINION. I didn't present it as cold hard
objective TRUTH. An OPINION is not something you get to argue about -
I'm entitled to my OPINIONS. So fuck off." - Viking


-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

What on earth could possibly motivate you to respond with such a revolting 
and hate filled post?





"Darling Regan"  wrote in message 
news:MPG.21da33d77eeb64aa989875@free.teranews.net...
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:01:56 -0500, Meldon  of soc.men 
> gushed...
>> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although 
>> it
>> can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the 
>> nature
>> of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
>>
>> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself 
>> and
>> finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the
>> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect 
>> what
>> is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison 
>> from
>> which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish
>> would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued
>> existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only 
>> leave
>> the goldfish stranded in air.
>>
>> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is
>> unable to affect change.
>>
>> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order 
>> to
>> live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings
>> are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both 
>> the
>> goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results 
>> in
>> demise.
>>
>> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two
>> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, 
>> the
>> goldfish is doomed.
>
> Oh my. Nothing quite like the cheery, optimistic blatherings of Meldon to 
> chase away the
> winter blues.
>
> -- 
> DR
>
> Obsessed with Dave Batista
>
> 1# on Piggy's faux "k00k nominations" lits
>
> Co-conspirator of the Censorship of Tom Smith
>
> Arguably, the most hated Troll of soc.men
>
> -----------------------------
> Favorite Netkook quotes (A work in progress):
>
> "Talk to the finger, because you *ain't* worth the hand." - Andre Lieven
> 
>
> "I mean it's no accident that a woman's vagina is shaped like a purse.
> I guess you're suppose to put money in it!" - The Starmaker
> 
>
> "I think the "Ho" moniker that Imus was fired for is also being fought
> here.  Notice after a respectable time how Petey (PJR) showed up and
> started doing his counter insurgency work with Darling Regan (Ms HO).
> It won't be long that any post with "Ho" in the title will get the
> same message.  The Big Eight will move against us eventually and the
> open Usenet will be open only in so far as it doesn't offend the
> Ho's.  That's the power of feminism." - Tom "Masculist" Smith
> 
>
> "Hey, guess what? That was my OPINION. I didn't present it as cold hard
> objective TRUTH. An OPINION is not something you get to argue about -
> I'm entitled to my OPINIONS. So fuck off." - Viking
> 
>
> -- 
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>

"Meldon"  wrote in message news:13n0pvf7plpuab1@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "TruthSlave"  wrote in message
> news:7hXbj.18783$1j1.12920@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Meldon"  wrote in message
> > news:13n07cbl9cnl71b@corp.supernews.com...
> >> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although
> >> it can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the
> >> nature of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
> >>
> >> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself
> >> and finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the
> >> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect
> >> what is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a
> >> prison from which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl.
> >> The goldfish would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing
> >> its continued existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape
> >> would only leave the goldfish stranded in air.
> >>
> >> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is
> >> unable to affect change.
> >>
> >> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order
> >> to live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those
> >> surroundings are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in
> >> relation to both the goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the
> >> bowl which also results in demise.
> >>
> >> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two
> >> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way,
> >> the goldfish is doomed.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting construct. This reality though is determined on the goldfish
> > being a goldfish, with no means to affect change even with a perception
> > of,  or beyond, its confines.
>
> Very good. The goldfish models a human within the confines of the
> environment in which it finds itself. The model suggests humans can not
> change what is inside or outside the bowl.
>
> Your critique assumes humans can affect change inside, and or outside the
> bowl. I eagerly await the justification for your position.
>
>
>
> >In other words this reality, is bound to a
> > reality where only the laws of goldfish applies. Now if you are talking
> > of the goldfish bowl that's a whole different problem.
>
> How can the goldfish (human) affect change to the bowl (confines) or anythin
> outside the bowl?


If i take that construct a step further, then whatever created that confine must
exist beyond the bowl. If the goldfish is aware of its confines and has the
capacity for thought, then it might ask 'how and why did i get here'? It might
choose to behave intelligently, demonstrating to whomever or whatever, that
it has this greater awareness. If there is life beyond the bowl, it may lead to
an equal demonstration, an equal awareness of the goldfish and its confine.

Perhaps some connection is made between the goldfish and whatever it surmises
must exist. Perhaps the effort is a futile one, and this effort is merely something to
do where there was nothing. Or perhaps the effort leads to an equal gesture, and
a larger bowl. Its awareness stimulating awareness in others, either its own kin, or
whatever lies beyond.

The question seems to be one of hope and the absence of hope, purpose and
absence of purpose.  Perhaps this is the essence of belief before that will was
distorted to extort control.


> > Can one talk of the goldfish bowl without talking of the goldfish?
> >
> >
>
> Yes. However, without the goldfish, the bowl is irrelevant to the goldfish.
> The two are linked since that's the relationship being shown and is assumed
> within the model.
>
>

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:01:56 -0500, Meldon  of soc.men gushed...

> What on earth could possibly motivate you to respond with such a revolting 
> and hate filled post?

Eh... I just scrolled down this entire post, and found nothing "revolting" or "hate-filled" 
penned by me.

OK Meldon, what have you been smoking?

 
> 
> 
> "Darling Regan"  wrote in message 
> news:MPG.21da33d77eeb64aa989875@free.teranews.net...
> > On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:01:56 -0500, Meldon  of soc.men 
> > gushed...
> >> The goldfish has no understanding of anything outside the bowl although 
> >> it
> >> can be affected by it. It can not understand and is not aware of the 
> >> nature
> >> of the bowl nor what is outside the bowl.
> >>
> >> If a goldfish became aware of what is inside the bowl, the bowl itself 
> >> and
> >> finally that which is outside the bowl, it may be concerned about the
> >> reality outside the bowl since what occurs outside the bowl can affect 
> >> what
> >> is inside the bowl. To the goldfish the bowl would represent a prison 
> >> from
> >> which is restricted from affecting things outside the bowl. The goldfish
> >> would come to resent the bowl despite of the bowl providing its continued
> >> existence. Breaking the bowl in a futile attempt to escape would only 
> >> leave
> >> the goldfish stranded in air.
> >>
> >> If the goldfish becomes aware of a problem isolated inside the bowl it is
> >> unable to affect change.
> >>
> >> The aware goldfish is faced with a choice of accepting the bowl in order 
> >> to
> >> live and accept what surrounds the bowl whether or not those surroundings
> >> are benevolent, malevolent or benign as they pertain in relation to both 
> >> the
> >> goldfish and the bowl or it chooses to escape the bowl which also results 
> >> in
> >> demise.
> >>
> >> If a problem arises inside or outside the bowl, it has only one of two
> >> choices, remain until its demise, or escape to its demise. Either way, 
> >> the
> >> goldfish is doomed.
> >
> > Oh my. Nothing quite like the cheery, optimistic blatherings of Meldon to 
> > chase away the
> > winter blues.
 

-- 
DR

Obsessed with Dave Batista

1# on Piggy's faux "k00k nominations" lits

Co-conspirator of the Censorship of Tom Smith

Arguably, the most hated Troll of soc.men

-----------------------------
Favorite Netkook quotes (A work in progress):

"Talk to the finger, because you *ain't* worth the hand." - Andre Lieven


"I mean it's no accident that a woman's vagina is shaped like a purse. 
I guess you're suppose to put money in it!" - The Starmaker


"I think the "Ho" moniker that Imus was fired for is also being fought
here.  Notice after a respectable time how Petey (PJR) showed up and
started doing his counter insurgency work with Darling Regan (Ms HO).
It won't be long that any post with "Ho" in the title will get the
same message.  The Big Eight will move against us eventually and the
open Usenet will be open only in so far as it doesn't offend the
Ho's.  That's the power of feminism." - Tom "Masculist" Smith


"Hey, guess what? That was my OPINION. I didn't present it as cold hard
objective TRUTH. An OPINION is not something you get to argue about -
I'm entitled to my OPINIONS. So fuck off." - Viking


-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

"Meldon"  wrote

> What on earth could possibly motivate you to respond with such a revolting 
> and hate filled post?

I see her being similar to Germaine Greer.

She missed out on having a husband, children and grand children because she 
fell for the lies that the jews pushed into her brain.

Now she has nothing left but to cling to the old dogma she believed in so 
much 20 years ago.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:56:01 GMT, amused onlooker  of soc.men gushed...
> "Meldon"  wrote
> 
> > What on earth could possibly motivate you to respond with such a revolting 
> > and hate filled post?
> 
> I see her being similar to Germaine Greer.

What you "see" is your own grotesque & bizarre stroke fantasy. Keep me out of it, freak.
 
> She missed out on having a husband, children

LMAO!

> and grand children 

Indeed. My 9 year-old is not capable of impregnating a female, you kl00less fartwipe.

> fell for the lies that the jews pushed into her brain.

I see we can add 'racist' to your long list of nasty attributes.

 
> Now she has nothing left but to cling to the old dogma she believed in so 
> much 20 years ago. 

At the age of 12, I believed in little more than the Easter Bunny.


-- 
DR

Obsessed with Dave Batista

1# on Piggy's faux "k00k nominations" lits

Co-conspirator of the Censorship of Tom Smith

Arguably, the most hated Troll of soc.men

-----------------------------
Favorite Netkook quotes (A work in progress):

"Talk to the finger, because you *ain't* worth the hand." - Andre Lieven


"I mean it's no accident that a woman's vagina is shaped like a purse. 
I guess you're suppose to put money in it!" - The Starmaker


"I think the "Ho" moniker that Imus was fired for is also being fought
here.  Notice after a respectable time how Petey (PJR) showed up and
started doing his counter insurgency work with Darling Regan (Ms HO).
It won't be long that any post with "Ho" in the title will get the
same message.  The Big Eight will move against us eventually and the
open Usenet will be open only in so far as it doesn't offend the
Ho's.  That's the power of feminism." - Tom "Masculist" Smith


"Hey, guess what? That was my OPINION. I didn't present it as cold hard
objective TRUTH. An OPINION is not something you get to argue about -
I'm entitled to my OPINIONS. So fuck off." - Viking


-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com