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date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:58:50 +0100,    group: uk.local.thames-valley        back       
Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
http://tinyurl.com/yqg33g

AzcB

 The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
meat
The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
pony's head. 


Seconds later a shot rings out, the pony flails on the ground and is
then winched onto a production line. 

This is the reality of the slaughter and butchering of thousands of
unwanted riding ponies and racehorses at a British abattoir. 

The picture here is one of several taken by undercover investigators
for Animal Aid. 

Production-line death: A pony that almost certainly belonged to a
child meets its fate at Potter's abattoir: Picture by Animal Aid

They hope the images will prompt an official inquiry - or at least
touch the consciences of owners who simply abandon pets when their
children have grown out of them. 

The remains of this pony, like much of the meat that passes through
Potter's abattoir in Taunton, Somerset, each year will be sent to
France as there is no taste for horse meat in Britain. 

Animal Aid says its dossier raises serious questions about the running
of the abattoir. Officials suggest the way the slaughterman is holding
the rifle means it could slip if the pony tossed her head. 

The bullet would then inflict pain, rather than killing outright. 

Animal Aid director Andrew Tyler said: "This seems a typical example
of the abandonment of a pet whose useful days are over. It occurs when
a child loses interest in riding or wants a bigger pony or horse." 

The group says one horse was apparently injured elsewhere and then
kept alive long enough to reach the abattoir - prolonging its
suffering. 

An animal which is humanely put down in a field or stable cannot go
into the meat process because it has to be bled immediately after
slaughter to make it suitable for the table. 

The alternative is to sell it for between £20 and £200 to an abattoir.

Around 3,000 ponies and horses are put through Potter's each year. The
company says that around 100 are from horse racing and the remainder
privately owned. 

Its latest annual report says it is engaged in the "elective
euthanasia of equines and export of horse meat". 

Stephen Potter, who operates the abattoir, said: "I don't think anyone
who keeps a pony will get rid of it just for the sake of it. 

"We will all be old at some point and may spend our later years in
great discomfort and horses are the same. 

"The horses are handled in a stress-free manner by professional people
and despatched with the minimum of fuss, none of us could ask for
anything better than that." 

The food and farming department, Defra, says the Taunton operation,
together with another in Cheshire, kills 6,000-10,000 horses a year
for consumption abroad. 

Animal Aid believes the slaughter of these horses and ponies will
shock the public. 

Mr Tyler said: "Those shown being killed in the footage came from
owners who either dealt directly with the abattoir or who didn't know
or care that their animals would end up in this establishment. 

"What all the former owners have in common is the transient use of
their animal. They feel that their responsibility is relinquished once
the horse or pony is of no further use to them. 

"The fundamental problem at the heart of the horse slaughter
scandal-that we have uncovered is that these horses are bred to
excess. 

"When an animal is no longer useful, he or she is often simply
disposed of. This is the fate of thousands of healthy horses and
ponies every year." 

Animal Aid is presenting the footage to the Meat Hygiene Service in
the hope that it will carry out an investigation. 

Watch the 9 minute film 
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:58:50 +0100   author:   Old Codger

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
The reality is that most of us eat animals, and those animals have to be 
slaughtered.  Is there any moral difference between eating a horse, and 
eating a cow or a pig?  I agree that there are issues about the methods used 
here - but what is the alternative?  Keeping thousands of (non-productive) 
horses growing old in acres and acres of land?  If horses were not used for 
human consumption, they would be used for dog meat.

Part of the reality of nature - everything feeds off of everything else.

Tim. (Cross-postings removed)

"Old Codger"  wrote in message 
news:a4smf3tbssftoum9qee486d5bgc7rm78jn@4ax.com...
> http://tinyurl.com/yqg33g
>
> AzcB
>
> The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
> meat
> The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
> pony's head.
>
>
> Seconds later a shot rings out, the pony flails on the ground and is
> then winched onto a production line.
>
> This is the reality of the slaughter and butchering of thousands of
> unwanted riding ponies and racehorses at a British abattoir.
>
> The picture here is one of several taken by undercover investigators
> for Animal Aid.
>
> Production-line death: A pony that almost certainly belonged to a
> child meets its fate at Potter's abattoir: Picture by Animal Aid
>
> They hope the images will prompt an official inquiry - or at least
> touch the consciences of owners who simply abandon pets when their
> children have grown out of them.
>
> The remains of this pony, like much of the meat that passes through
> Potter's abattoir in Taunton, Somerset, each year will be sent to
> France as there is no taste for horse meat in Britain.
>
> Animal Aid says its dossier raises serious questions about the running
> of the abattoir. Officials suggest the way the slaughterman is holding
> the rifle means it could slip if the pony tossed her head.
>
> The bullet would then inflict pain, rather than killing outright.
>
> Animal Aid director Andrew Tyler said: "This seems a typical example
> of the abandonment of a pet whose useful days are over. It occurs when
> a child loses interest in riding or wants a bigger pony or horse."
>
> The group says one horse was apparently injured elsewhere and then
> kept alive long enough to reach the abattoir - prolonging its
> suffering.
>
> An animal which is humanely put down in a field or stable cannot go
> into the meat process because it has to be bled immediately after
> slaughter to make it suitable for the table.
>
> The alternative is to sell it for between £20 and £200 to an abattoir.
>
> Around 3,000 ponies and horses are put through Potter's each year. The
> company says that around 100 are from horse racing and the remainder
> privately owned.
>
> Its latest annual report says it is engaged in the "elective
> euthanasia of equines and export of horse meat".
>
> Stephen Potter, who operates the abattoir, said: "I don't think anyone
> who keeps a pony will get rid of it just for the sake of it.
>
> "We will all be old at some point and may spend our later years in
> great discomfort and horses are the same.
>
> "The horses are handled in a stress-free manner by professional people
> and despatched with the minimum of fuss, none of us could ask for
> anything better than that."
>
> The food and farming department, Defra, says the Taunton operation,
> together with another in Cheshire, kills 6,000-10,000 horses a year
> for consumption abroad.
>
> Animal Aid believes the slaughter of these horses and ponies will
> shock the public.
>
> Mr Tyler said: "Those shown being killed in the footage came from
> owners who either dealt directly with the abattoir or who didn't know
> or care that their animals would end up in this establishment.
>
> "What all the former owners have in common is the transient use of
> their animal. They feel that their responsibility is relinquished once
> the horse or pony is of no further use to them.
>
> "The fundamental problem at the heart of the horse slaughter
> scandal-that we have uncovered is that these horses are bred to
> excess.
>
> "When an animal is no longer useful, he or she is often simply
> disposed of. This is the fate of thousands of healthy horses and
> ponies every year."
>
> Animal Aid is presenting the footage to the Meat Hygiene Service in
> the hope that it will carry out an investigation.
>
> Watch the 9 minute film
> http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/f/CAMPAIGNS/blog//4//?be_id=94
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:45:32 +0100   author:   . . . . Timothy . . . . .

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
pepperoni and salami on your pizza is horse and donkey meat, it's a fact. 
but it's quite tasty.

also, doner kebabs are goat meat unless it specifically says lamb on the 
menu.
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:13:15 GMT   author:   Dan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 27, 10:58 am, Old Codger  wrote:
> Animal Aid believes the slaughter of these horses and ponies will
> shock the public.

Well, of course it will, the silly nuggers. Similar footage of the
treatment of cows, pigs, sheep and chickens would no doubt shock 'em
too. Probably send a few of them vegetarian too. But so long as we eat
meat, as do I - even horse on occasions - then animals will get killed
for it. No point being squeamish about it.

I'm quite happy that I don't personally have to get my hands blooded
as I would have done a century or so ago, but I pay my taxes partly to
ensure that the dispatch process for the critters should be regulated
to be as stress-free as is practicable. If exceptions are found then I
would expect it to be corrected, under force of law. I am not about to
be "shocked" into vegetarianism - even for a bloody polo pony.

If God[1] hadn't meant us to eat meat, He[2] wouldn't have made it so
tasty[3].

[1] If He[2] exists.
[2] Or She.
[3] Or: If we hadn't evolved to eat meat, we wouldn't find it so
tasty[3].
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:58:29 -0700   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
But its the usual British hypochrisy -

horse? You must be sick

likkle lambs, funny little piggies, millions of chickens ina wire cage -
fine!

Dan wrote:
> pepperoni and salami on your pizza is horse and donkey meat, it's a
> fact. but it's quite tasty.
>
> also, doner kebabs are goat meat unless it specifically says lamb on
> the menu.
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:30:00 GMT   author:   Tommy

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Old Codger  wrote in 
news:a4smf3tbssftoum9qee486d5bgc7rm78jn@4ax.com:
> 
>  The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
> meat
> The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
> pony's head. 
> 
> Seconds later a shot rings out, the pony flails on the ground and is
> then winched onto a production line. 
> 
> This is the reality of the slaughter and butchering of thousands of
> unwanted riding ponies and racehorses at a British abattoir. 

I thought you said the pony had been sent to France?

If all these horses are being butchered in the UK, why can I not buy 
British horse meat? As it is, I have to go to France for it, and most that 
I find is imported from Argentina.
-- 
Jim                             <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0
date: 27 Sep 2007 16:41:52 GMT   author:   Jim Easterbrook

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 04:58:29 -0700, Ralph B 
wrote:

>On Sep 27, 10:58 am, Old Codger  wrote:
>> Animal Aid believes the slaughter of these horses and ponies will
>> shock the public.
>
>Well, of course it will, the silly nuggers. Similar footage of the
>treatment of cows, pigs, sheep and chickens would no doubt shock 'em
>too. Probably send a few of them vegetarian too. But so long as we eat
>meat, as do I - even horse on occasions - then animals will get killed
>for it. No point being squeamish about it.
>
>I'm quite happy that I don't personally have to get my hands blooded
>as I would have done a century or so ago, but I pay my taxes partly to
>ensure that the dispatch process for the critters should be regulated
>to be as stress-free as is practicable. If exceptions are found then I
>would expect it to be corrected, under force of law. I am not about to
>be "shocked" into vegetarianism - even for a bloody polo pony.
>
>If God[1] hadn't meant us to eat meat, He[2] wouldn't have made it so
>tasty[3].
>
>[1] If He[2] exists.
>[2] Or She.
>[3] Or: If we hadn't evolved to eat meat, we wouldn't find it so
>tasty[3].

	Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."

	Mike Ruddock

	www: dumose
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:26:16 +0100   author:   Mike Ruddock

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Old Codger wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yqg33g
> 
> AzcB
> 
>  The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
> meat
> The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
> pony's head. 

Mmmmm, horse burgers ....


-- 
neil h
google brights
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:28:45 +0100   author:   Neil Hopkins

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
"Neil Hopkins"  wrote
> Old Codger wrote:
>>
>>  The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
>> meat
>> The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
>> pony's head.
>
> Mmmmm, horse burgers ....

I say - steady on, Neil!  Not *all* the French are like that, you know, and 
this *is* a family newsgroup.

Eh?

Oh, *burgers*!  Fair enough, MOPMOB.  Sorry.
-- 
Sid
Make sure Matron is away when you reply
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:17:48 +0100   author:   Siderius Nuncius

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."

Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000   author:   unknown

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearpark@gmail.com wrote:

>On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>
>Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....

BTN!

-- 
Jo
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:00:27 +0200   author:   Jo Lonergan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:58:50 +0100, Old Codger  wrote:

> The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
>meat
>The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
>pony's head. 

I was expecting to see the byline "Damian Day" and a discarded teddy-bear
half-hidden in the straw.

Nick O
-- 
real e-mail is nickodell at bigfoot dot com
date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:18:58 GMT   author:   (Nick Odell)

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
> >>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
> >> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
> >> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>
> >Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>
> BTN!

Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
was such an exceedingly good BTN.
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:23:01 -0000   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Ralph B wrote:
> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>> BTN!
> 
> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
> 

Indeed, I had spotted that.  I wondered if you were trying to get it 
past me, though :)


-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm for recipes 
supplied by umrats
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:58:54 +0100   author:   Jane Vernon

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:17:48 +0100, "Siderius Nuncius"
 wrote:

>
>"Neil Hopkins"  wrote
>> Old Codger wrote:
>>>
>>>  The ponies abandoned by British children and sent to France as horse
>>> meat
>>> The slaughterman precariously balances a rifle against the small grey
>>> pony's head.
>>
>> Mmmmm, horse burgers ....
>
>I say - steady on, Neil!  Not *all* the French are like that, you know, and 
>this *is* a family newsgroup.
>
>Eh?
>
>Oh, *burgers*!  Fair enough, MOPMOB.  Sorry.

I read that as if it had an umlaut on the u.  German ones.
date: 28 Sep 2007 07:15:28 GMT   author:   badriya

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 28, 8:58 am, Jane Vernon  wrote:
> Ralph B wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
> >>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
> >>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
> >>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
> >>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
> >> BTN!
>
> > Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
> > was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>
> Indeed, I had spotted that.  I wondered if you were trying to get it
> past me, though :)

Hah, as if! I know that no-one can get passed the omnipresent BTM.

Actually, here's a thread swerve to a grammatic question: I've just
noticed that you used "past" and I used "passed". Since we are talking
of avoidance rather than time, I _think_ I have it right, BIMBAM.
Grammarats, please advise.

(Hmm. If I _am_ right, then perhaps I have established that the
omnipresent BTM might not be omniscience. Of course, in case if the
omnipresent BTM is also omnipotent, I might be wise to keep quiet
about any omniscience non-compliance issues, lest I be struck down by
a ping-of-death targetted at my IP-address).
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:26:44 -0700   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Ralph B wrote:
> On Sep 28, 8:58 am, Jane Vernon  wrote:
>> Ralph B wrote:
>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>> BTN!
>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>> Indeed, I had spotted that.  I wondered if you were trying to get it
>> past me, though :)
> 
> Hah, as if! I know that no-one can get passed the omnipresent BTM.
> 
> Actually, here's a thread swerve to a grammatic question: I've just
> noticed that you used "past" and I used "passed". Since we are talking
> of avoidance rather than time, I _think_ I have it right, BIMBAM.
> Grammarats, please advise.
> 
IANAGrammarat any more [1], but I am certain I am right!  'Passed' is 
the past tense of 'to pass'.  So you might have passed by me without my 
noticing.  But the BTN didn't get *past* me because 'past' is something 
else, a preposition, I think.  Like 'beside', 'after' etc.

[1]  At the time of leaving school I was really hot on grammar, but much 
of that, together with some vocab and spelling even, has left me over 
the years.  I put it down to years of teaching.  When one has seen 
something mis-spelled as often as correctly spelled, it begins to look 
more likely, for instance.

Perhaps now that I'm no longer any kind of teacher, these things will 
return :)


-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm for recipes 
supplied by umrats
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:46:01 +0100   author:   Jane Vernon

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon
 wrote:

>Ralph B wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:

>>> BTN!

>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>
>Indeed, I had spotted that.  I wondered if you were trying to get it 
>past me, though :)

Oh, sorry. I did wonder why nobody had nominated it already. That's
what comes of reading umra from the bottom.

-- 
Jo
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:05:35 +0200   author:   Jo Lonergan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Jo Lonergan wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon
>  wrote:
> 
>> Ralph B wrote:
>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
> 
>>>> BTN!
> 
>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>> Indeed, I had spotted that.  I wondered if you were trying to get it 
>> past me, though :)
> 
> Oh, sorry. I did wonder why nobody had nominated it already. That's
> what comes of reading umra from the bottom.
> 
must... re... sist....
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:38:23 +0200   author:   BrritSki

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:46:01 +0100, Jane Vernon
 wrote:


>> Actually, here's a thread swerve to a grammatic question: I've just
>> noticed that you used "past" and I used "passed". Since we are talking
>> of avoidance rather than time, I _think_ I have it right, BIMBAM.
>> Grammarats, please advise.
>> 
>IANAGrammarat any more [1], but I am certain I am right!  'Passed' is 
>the past tense of 'to pass'.  So you might have passed by me without my 
>noticing.  But the BTN didn't get *past* me because 'past' is something 
>else, a preposition, I think.  Like 'beside', 'after' etc.
>
>[1]  At the time of leaving school I was really hot on grammar, but much 
>of that, together with some vocab and spelling even, has left me over 
>the years.  I put it down to years of teaching.  When one has seen 
>something mis-spelled as often as correctly spelled, it begins to look 
>more likely, for instance.
>
>Perhaps now that I'm no longer any kind of teacher, these things will 
>return :)

MTAAW to all of that, Jane.  Oh wait, I was not hot on grammar but
better than now.
date: 28 Sep 2007 13:01:05 GMT   author:   badriya

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In message , Jo Lonergan 
 writes
>That's what comes of reading umra from the bottom.

Wasn't there a Chinese girl in the news some years ago who, it was 
claimed, could do that?  Well, not necessarily Umra, but reading in 
general.
-- 
Jenny
"I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up."
(Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:09:26 +0100   author:   Jenny M Benson

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:09:26 +0100, Jenny M Benson
 wrote:

>In message , Jo Lonergan 
> writes
>>That's what comes of reading umra from the bottom.
>
>Wasn't there a Chinese girl in the news some years ago who, it was 
>claimed, could do that?  Well, not necessarily Umra, but reading in 
>general.


I think you'll find that's cats.


-- 

Tim

fast and gripping, non pompous, glossy and credible.
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:33:46 +0100   author:   Tim Hall

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 28, 3:01 pm, badriya  wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:46:01 +0100, Jane Vernon
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >> Actually, here's a thread swerve to a grammatic question: I've just
> >> noticed that you used "past" and I used "passed". Since we are talking
> >> of avoidance rather than time, I _think_ I have it right, BIMBAM.
> >> Grammarats, please advise.
>
> >IANAGrammarat any more [1], but I am certain I am right!  'Passed' is
> >the past tense of 'to pass'.  So you might have passed by me without my
> >noticing.  But the BTN didn't get *past* me because 'past' is something
> >else, a preposition, I think.  Like 'beside', 'after' etc.
>
> >[1]  At the time of leaving school I was really hot on grammar, but much
> >of that, together with some vocab and spelling even, has left me over
> >the years.  I put it down to years of teaching.  When one has seen
> >something mis-spelled as often as correctly spelled, it begins to look
> >more likely, for instance.
>
> >Perhaps now that I'm no longer any kind of teacher, these things will
> >return :)
>
> MTAAW to all of that, Jane.  Oh wait, I was not hot on grammar but
> better than now.

Ho hum, omniscient too then.

It passed me by. It got past me. Wierd language.
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:36:37 -0700   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In message , 
rbearpark@gmail.com writes
>On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>
>Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>
Oi! There's a (TM) needed in that there line;-)))

Toodle Slurp,

Mike
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date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:17:59 GMT   author:   Mike McMillan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In message , 
Ralph B  writes
>On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>> >>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>> >> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>> >> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>
>> >Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>
>> BTN!
>
>Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>
Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
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date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:17:59 GMT   author:   Mike McMillan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In message , BrritSki 
 writes
>Jo Lonergan wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:58:54 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph B wrote:
>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>
>>>>> BTN!
>>
>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. 
>>>>
>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>> Indeed, I had spotted that.  I wondered if you were trying to get it 
>>>past me, though :)
>>  Oh, sorry. I did wonder why nobody had nominated it already. That's
>> what comes of reading umra from the bottom.
>>
>must... re... sist....
I thought it was something that M.P.'s favoured,... not with the optical 
organs but the oral one.
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date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:17:59 GMT   author:   Mike McMillan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Ralph B wrote:
> On Sep 28, 3:01 pm, badriya  wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:46:01 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>>> Actually, here's a thread swerve to a grammatic question: I've just
>>>> noticed that you used "past" and I used "passed". Since we are talking
>>>> of avoidance rather than time, I _think_ I have it right, BIMBAM.
>>>> Grammarats, please advise.
>>> IANAGrammarat any more [1], but I am certain I am right!  'Passed' is
>>> the past tense of 'to pass'.  So you might have passed by me without my
>>> noticing.  But the BTN didn't get *past* me because 'past' is something
>>> else, a preposition, I think.  Like 'beside', 'after' etc.
>>> [1]  At the time of leaving school I was really hot on grammar, but much
>>> of that, together with some vocab and spelling even, has left me over
>>> the years.  I put it down to years of teaching.  When one has seen
>>> something mis-spelled as often as correctly spelled, it begins to look
>>> more likely, for instance.
>>> Perhaps now that I'm no longer any kind of teacher, these things will
>>> return :)
>> MTAAW to all of that, Jane.  Oh wait, I was not hot on grammar but
>> better than now.
> 
> Ho hum, omniscient too then.

I'm beginning to rather like you, Ralph ;)

> 
> It passed me by. It got past me. Wierd language.
> 
Weird.  HTH.


-- 
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date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:28:03 +0100   author:   Jane Vernon

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Mike McMillan wrote:
> In message , 
> Ralph B  writes
>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>> >>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>>> >> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>>> >> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>
>>> >Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>
>>> BTN!
>>
>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>
> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)

Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award 
ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.


-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm for recipes 
supplied by umrats
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100   author:   Jane Vernon

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Tim Hall wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:09:26 +0100, Jenny M Benson
> wrote:
>
>>In message , Jo Lonergan 
>> writes
>>>That's what comes of reading umra from the bottom.
>>
>>Wasn't there a Chinese girl in the news some years ago who, it was 
>>claimed, could do that?  Well, not necessarily Umra, but reading in 
>>general.
>
>I think you'll find that's cats.

So that's why some folk put newspaper in the litter tray!

Chris
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date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:37:06 GMT   author:   Chris J Dixon

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
 wrote:

>Mike McMillan wrote:
>> In message , 
>> Ralph B  writes
>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>> >>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>>>> >> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>>>> >> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>
>>>> >Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>
>>>> BTN!
>>>
>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>
>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
>
>Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award 
>ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.

In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
the problems sprang.
-- 
Stephen

Into my heart an air that kills From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, What spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went And cannot come again.
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:42:20 +0100   author:   Stephen

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Jane Vernon wrote:
> Mike McMillan wrote:
>> In message , 
>> Ralph B  writes
>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> >On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>> >>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>>>> >> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>>>> >> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>
>>>> >Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>
>>>> BTN!
>>>
>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>
>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
> 
> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award 
> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
> 
> 
Gnomic utterance there..

-- 
Tout de bonbon,
Anne, Seriously, Traditionally Built Curvey Gumrat
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:42:01 +0200   author:   Gumrat

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Jane Vernon wrote:
> Ralph B wrote:

>> Ho hum, omniscient too then.
> 
> I'm beginning to rather like you, Ralph ;)
> 
>>
>> It passed me by. It got past me. Wierd language.
>>
> Weird.  HTH.
> 
> 
I wondered about it when I saw Ralph's post. Then I thought "i before e, 
except after c" and got confused..

Tout de bonbon,
Anne, Seriously, Traditionally Built Curvey Gumrat
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:41:37 +0200   author:   Gumrat

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
>  wrote:
> 
>> Mike McMillan wrote:
>>> In message , 
>>> Ralph B  writes
>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the Flanders
>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant us to
>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>> BTN!
>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>>
>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award 
>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
> 
> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
> the problems sprang.

Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will 
take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my 
previous statement.


-- 
Jane
The potter in the purple socks
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk
http://www.clothandclay.co.uk/umra/cookbook/contents.htm for recipes 
supplied by umrats
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:29:41 +0100   author:   Jane Vernon

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In article <46fd2eaf$0$3809$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch>, Gumrat 
generously decided to share with us..

Snippetry..

> I wondered about it when I saw Ralph's post. Then I thought "i before e, 
> except after c" and got confused..

We live in a weird society with a fierce ceiling..

-- 
Gid

Current Project: Bragdy'r Ddraenen Wen 
(if it ever stops raining for long enough)
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:19:50 +0100   author:   Gid

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Jane Vernon wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>> In message , 
>>>> Ralph B  writes
>>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the 
>>>>>>>> Flanders
>>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant 
>>>>>>>> us to
>>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>>> BTN!
>>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>>>
>>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
>>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award 
>>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
>>
>> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
>> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
>> the problems sprang.
> 
> Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will 
> take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my 
> previous statement.
> 
> 
Ah, so you will be at the Ritz, but not anouncing it  ?
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:40:40 +0200   author:   BrritSki

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
BrritSki wrote:
> Jane Vernon wrote:
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>>> In message , 
>>>>> Ralph B  writes
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the 
>>>>>>>>> Flanders
>>>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant 
>>>>>>>>> us to
>>>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>>>> BTN!
>>>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed 
>>>>>> comment. It
>>>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
>>>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award 
>>>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
>>>
>>> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
>>> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
>>> the problems sprang.
>>
>> Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will 
>> take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my 
>> previous statement.
>>
>>
> Ah, so you will be at the Ritz, but not anouncing it  ?
There's not an ounce of truth in that statement.

-- 
Tout de bonbon,
Anne, Seriously, Traditionally Built Curvey Gumrat
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:48:12 +0200   author:   Gumrat

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 28, 6:28 pm, Jane Vernon  wrote:
> Ralph B wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 3:01 pm, badriya  wrote:
> >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:46:01 +0100, Jane Vernon
>
> >>  wrote:
> >>>> Actually, here's a thread swerve to a grammatic question: I've just
> >>>> noticed that you used "past" and I used "passed". Since we are talking
> >>>> of avoidance rather than time, I _think_ I have it right, BIMBAM.
> >>>> Grammarats, please advise.
> >>> IANAGrammarat any more [1], but I am certain I am right!  'Passed' is
> >>> the past tense of 'to pass'.  So you might have passed by me without my
> >>> noticing.  But the BTN didn't get *past* me because 'past' is something
> >>> else, a preposition, I think.  Like 'beside', 'after' etc.
> >>> [1]  At the time of leaving school I was really hot on grammar, but much
> >>> of that, together with some vocab and spelling even, has left me over
> >>> the years.  I put it down to years of teaching.  When one has seen
> >>> something mis-spelled as often as correctly spelled, it begins to look
> >>> more likely, for instance.
> >>> Perhaps now that I'm no longer any kind of teacher, these things will
> >>> return :)
> >> MTAAW to all of that, Jane.  Oh wait, I was not hot on grammar but
> >> better than now.
>
> > Ho hum, omniscient too then.
>
> I'm beginning to rather like you, Ralph ;)
>
>
>
> > It passed me by. It got past me. Wierd language.
>
> Weird.  HTH.

Nugger! Umbrella! Meringue!
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:50:53 -0000   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 28, 8:40 pm, BrritSki  wrote:
> Jane Vernon wrote:
> > Stephen wrote:
> >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
> >>  wrote:
>
> >>> Mike McMillan wrote:
> >>>> In message ,
> >>>> Ralph B  writes
> >>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the
> >>>>>>>> Flanders
> >>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant
> >>>>>>>> us to
> >>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
> >>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
> >>>>>> BTN!
> >>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
> >>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>
> >>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
> >>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award
> >>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
>
> >> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
> >> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
> >> the problems sprang.
>
> > Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will
> > take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my
> > previous statement.
>
> Ah, so you will be at the Ritz, but not anouncing it  ?

Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:54:44 -0000   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In message , Ralph 
B  writes
>Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?

That's a cracker!
-- 
Jenny
"I always like to have the morning well-aired before I get up."
(Beau Brummel, 1778-1840)
date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:57:51 +0100   author:   Jenny M Benson

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Ralph B wrote:
> On Sep 28, 8:40 pm, BrritSki  wrote:
>> Jane Vernon wrote:
>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>>>> In message ,
>>>>>> Ralph B  writes
>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the
>>>>>>>>>> Flanders
>>>>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant
>>>>>>>>>> us to
>>>>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>>>>> BTN!
>>>>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. It
>>>>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
>>>>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award
>>>>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
>>>> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
>>>> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
>>>> the problems sprang.
>>> Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will
>>> take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my
>>> previous statement.
>> Ah, so you will be at the Ritz, but not anouncing it  ?
> 
> Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?
> 
You're all crackers !
date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:23:33 +0200   author:   BrritSki

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
"BrritSki"  wrote in message 
news:5m6jslFbsf01U1@mid.individual.net...
> Ralph B wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 8:40 pm, BrritSki  wrote:
>>> Jane Vernon wrote:
>>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Mike McMillan wrote:
>>>>>>> In message ,
>>>>>>> Ralph B  writes
>>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the
>>>>>>>>>>> Flanders
>>>>>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant
>>>>>>>>>>> us to
>>>>>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
>>>>>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
>>>>>>>>> BTN!
>>>>>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment. 
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
>>>>>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
>>>>>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award
>>>>>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
>>>>> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
>>>>> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
>>>>> the problems sprang.
>>>> Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will
>>>> take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my
>>>> previous statement.
>>> Ah, so you will be at the Ritz, but not anouncing it  ?
>>
>> Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?
>
> You're all crackers !

Well that takes the biscuit...

J
date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:51:36 +0100   author:   Julian Day

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
On Sep 29, 11:51 am, "Julian Day"  wrote:
> "BrritSki"  wrote in message
>
> news:5m6jslFbsf01U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > Ralph B wrote:
> >> On Sep 28, 8:40 pm, BrritSki  wrote:
> >>> Jane Vernon wrote:
> >>>> Stephen wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:29:09 +0100, Jane Vernon
> >>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>> Mike McMillan wrote:
> >>>>>>> In message ,
> >>>>>>> Ralph B  writes
> >>>>>>>> On Sep 28, 1:00 am, Jo Lonergan  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:21:48 -0000, rbearp...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 7:26 pm, Mike Ruddock  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>         Rather a dangerous argument, Ralph. As I recall the
> >>>>>>>>>>> Flanders
> >>>>>>>>>>> and Swann song carried the line "If the Big JU-JU hadn't meant
> >>>>>>>>>>> us to
> >>>>>>>>>>> eat people he wouldn't have made us of meat."
> >>>>>>>>>> Mmmm, McCann's Mini Ribs ....
> >>>>>>>>> BTN!
> >>>>>>>> Actually I was just re-using Mike McToodle's earlier BTNed comment.
> >>>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>> was such an exceedingly good BTN.
> >>>>>>> Why, thankee kind Sir! (But I have to make it to a BT_A_ yet!)
> >>>>>> Yes indeed, *plenty* of time for other nominations before the award
> >>>>>> ceremony.  Which will not take place at the Ritz.
> >>>>> In keeping with the tradition of it not taking place at the Ritz.  But
> >>>>> will it be *announced* as taking place at the Ritz?  That is whence
> >>>>> the problems sprang.
> >>>> Well, quite.  I shall *not* be announcing that the award ceremony will
> >>>> take place at the Ritz.  Apologies for any lack of clarity in my
> >>>> previous statement.
> >>> Ah, so you will be at the Ritz, but not anouncing it  ?
>
> >> Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?
>
> > You're all crackers !
>
> Well that takes the biscuit...

Crumbs, I think he's snapped.
date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:57:10 -0000   author:   Ralph B

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
In message <LSL9SvOvbY$GFw6j@virgin.net>, Jenny M Benson 
 writes
>In message , 
>Ralph B  writes
>>Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?
>
>That's a cracker!
I would prefer a Ryvita m'self (he said, wryly)

Toodle Snip,

Mike
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date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:01:46 GMT   author:   Mike McMillan

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Waiting for Daff's Caff to re-open, Jane Vernon living at  decided to 
tell uk.media.radio.archers that
>Which will not take place at the Ritz.

Why not - some of us are still there waiting ...

(Which explains why this is such a late follow up to the post.  I am 
about to turn into a gilliver I think).
-- 
Kosmo Richard W
SNELLSS
date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:16:33 +0100   author:   K Richard W

Re: Meet your meat: Horse on the menu   
Waiting for Daff's Caff to re-open, Mike McMillan living at NTL decided 
to tell uk.media.radio.archers that
>In message <LSL9SvOvbY$GFw6j@virgin.net>, Jenny M Benson 
> writes
>>In message , 
>>Ralph B  writes
>>>Or maybe she'll be eating a Ritz when she announces it ... ?
>>
>>That's a cracker!
>I would prefer a Ryvita m'self (he said, wryly)
>
Bath Olivers  personally (no relation of Jamie as far as I am aware).
-- 
Kosmo Richard W
SNELLSS
date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:17:36 +0100   author:   K Richard W

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