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date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:22:03 +0100,    group: uk.local.nw-england        back       
East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=460421&in_page_id=1770

Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.

A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
troubles.

Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
to ward off civil disturbance.

The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
will disturb Whitehall.

The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.

These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.

Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
Eastern Europeans since May 2004.

Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
'diversity' is new.

"Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
the northern mill towns."

Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
particular risk.

Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
trigger racial tension.

Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."

Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
2004.

In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
European.

Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
per cent.

In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.

But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
work here.

The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.

Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
being made by many of the new arrivals.

A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.

"Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion."
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 01:22:03 +0100   author:   Steve Greene lid

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
There are some very good looking women over there.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:40:04 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
> There are some very good looking women over there.

Well go over there and stay with them!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:13:22 GMT   author:   jb

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> Well go over there and stay with them!

To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place on
earth.

So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:30 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message
news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
> > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
on
> earth.
>
> So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.

So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:04:09 GMT   author:   gentlegreen

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
There are some very good looking women over there.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:40:04 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
> There are some very good looking women over there.

Well go over there and stay with them!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:13:22 GMT   author:   jb

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> Well go over there and stay with them!

To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place on
earth.

So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:30 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message
news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
> > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
on
> earth.
>
> So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.

So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:04:09 GMT   author:   gentlegreen

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
> 
> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before they
started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.

A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for all.

If White British people decided that they wanted to become mixed race then
that would be fine with me.  As long as a White ethnostate was set up
somewhere in the world. Australia for example.

It is my opinion that race relations would have been a hell of a lot better
if this had of been done.

The same as in the USA, if one state had of been declared 'whitesville' then
it would have given everyone an out.  Better in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:01:31 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 10:04 am, "gentlegreen"
 wrote:
> "peter350"  wrote in message
>
> news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> > To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
> on
> > earth.
>
> > So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
>
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

1947.

> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

Absolutely!  We'd get rid of the entire odious ruling class,
comprising the race relations industry, the media, the royal family,
the Church of England, the teachers, the police, the National Black
Police Association - in other words all those racists who have spent
more than half a century forcing on us their repugnant policy of
homogenophobic ethnic replacement.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:10:13 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:tbqdnctS0Ih-tfTbnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d@bt.com...
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before 
> they
> started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.
>
> A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for 
> all.

Well no.

The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1947 
and 1950 when the Anglo-Indian and East Indian communities moved here in 
very large numbers.

And disappeared...

Communities can integrate into the UK at a hell of a pace if they want to. 
The two Christian post colonial influxes from India have just disappeared 
into the background without a twitch from the 'body politic'.

Anyone who mentions sending the Jews back is these days considered, 
rightly, either certifiable or a Nazi.

The vast majority of the Muslim community in the UK,  especially the Sufi 
community, is busy integrating as fast as it can.

There is a small section of the Muslim community that is causing a problem 
but reading up on 'The Notting Hill Outrage' and 'the Siege of Sydney 
Street' a hundred or so years ago shows that the Jewish community had 
similar problems,  complete with attendant loopy Daily Mail editorials...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
peter350 wrote:
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> Europe.

It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits 
that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to 
improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages 
themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative 
sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany 
ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.
date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:59:29 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 12:59 pm, "John of Aix"  wrote:
> peter350 wrote:
> >> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>
> >> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> > The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> > before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> > Europe.
>
> It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits
> that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to
> improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages
> themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative
> sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany
> ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.

Can you explain how forty years of re-education and brainwashing seems
to have passed you by?  We were all supposed to believe by now that
imperialism and colonialism are evil.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:23:52 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:

[more shit from the Daily Mail]

Steve, just piss off will ya?

-- 
"Checking identity papers is a complete waste of time.  If anyone can 
be counted on to have valid papers, it will be the terrorists".
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:25:48 GMT   author:   Mary Pegg

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
 wrote:

>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1600
>and 1700

That's more accurate now.
-- 
JAF     anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:43:25 GMT   author:   JAF

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=460421&in_page_id=1770
> 
> Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
> 
> A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> troubles.
> 
> Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> to ward off civil disturbance.
> 
> The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> will disturb Whitehall.
> 
> The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
> 
> These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
> 
> Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
> 
> Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> 'diversity' is new.
> 
> "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> the northern mill towns."
> 
> Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> particular risk.
> 
> Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> trigger racial tension.
> 
> Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
> 
> Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> 2004.
> 
> In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> European.
> 
> Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> per cent.
> 
> In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
> 
> But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> work here.
> 
> The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
> 
> Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> being made by many of the new arrivals.
> 
> A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
> 
> "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion." 


Well I for one would hate to see the newcomers treated in a resentful
and mean spirited way.
IMO we need to reflect on the fact that this situation is to some extent
the fruit of our own choices over the past 50 years - that is 50 years
of  peace and increasing prosperity.
As one of the glass half full people I regard peace and plenty as big ++s.
The government may be too dumb to do the right thing as may we when we
elect them, but at least we can try individually to treat newcomers with
humanity and even generosity. Surely we must not let politics poison our
souls.


J

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date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:56:40 +0100   author:   Djornsk

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"JAF"  wrote in message 
news:77ni631f3m5t8p1i9gpdu4c0ijjeg2hjl2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
>  didn't write,  it has been edited...
>
>>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 
>>1600
>>and 1700
>
> That's more accurate now.

Which group are you referring to?

There are three waves in immigration in that period.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:19:14 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
jb wrote:
> 
> "peter350"  wrote in message 
> news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> 
>> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
>> There are some very good looking women over there.
> 
> 
> Well go over there and stay with them!

The locals may be against an ethnic invasion.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:54:42 -0400   author:   Frank F. Matthews

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
There are some very good looking women over there.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:40:04 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
> There are some very good looking women over there.

Well go over there and stay with them!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:13:22 GMT   author:   jb

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> Well go over there and stay with them!

To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place on
earth.

So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:30 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message
news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
> > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
on
> earth.
>
> So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.

So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:04:09 GMT   author:   gentlegreen

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
> 
> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before they
started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.

A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for all.

If White British people decided that they wanted to become mixed race then
that would be fine with me.  As long as a White ethnostate was set up
somewhere in the world. Australia for example.

It is my opinion that race relations would have been a hell of a lot better
if this had of been done.

The same as in the USA, if one state had of been declared 'whitesville' then
it would have given everyone an out.  Better in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:01:31 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 10:04 am, "gentlegreen"
 wrote:
> "peter350"  wrote in message
>
> news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> > To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
> on
> > earth.
>
> > So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
>
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

1947.

> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

Absolutely!  We'd get rid of the entire odious ruling class,
comprising the race relations industry, the media, the royal family,
the Church of England, the teachers, the police, the National Black
Police Association - in other words all those racists who have spent
more than half a century forcing on us their repugnant policy of
homogenophobic ethnic replacement.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:10:13 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:tbqdnctS0Ih-tfTbnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d@bt.com...
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before 
> they
> started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.
>
> A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for 
> all.

Well no.

The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1947 
and 1950 when the Anglo-Indian and East Indian communities moved here in 
very large numbers.

And disappeared...

Communities can integrate into the UK at a hell of a pace if they want to. 
The two Christian post colonial influxes from India have just disappeared 
into the background without a twitch from the 'body politic'.

Anyone who mentions sending the Jews back is these days considered, 
rightly, either certifiable or a Nazi.

The vast majority of the Muslim community in the UK,  especially the Sufi 
community, is busy integrating as fast as it can.

There is a small section of the Muslim community that is causing a problem 
but reading up on 'The Notting Hill Outrage' and 'the Siege of Sydney 
Street' a hundred or so years ago shows that the Jewish community had 
similar problems,  complete with attendant loopy Daily Mail editorials...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
peter350 wrote:
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> Europe.

It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits 
that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to 
improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages 
themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative 
sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany 
ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.
date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:59:29 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 12:59 pm, "John of Aix"  wrote:
> peter350 wrote:
> >> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>
> >> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> > The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> > before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> > Europe.
>
> It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits
> that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to
> improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages
> themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative
> sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany
> ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.

Can you explain how forty years of re-education and brainwashing seems
to have passed you by?  We were all supposed to believe by now that
imperialism and colonialism are evil.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:23:52 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:

[more shit from the Daily Mail]

Steve, just piss off will ya?

-- 
"Checking identity papers is a complete waste of time.  If anyone can 
be counted on to have valid papers, it will be the terrorists".
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:25:48 GMT   author:   Mary Pegg

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
 wrote:

>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1600
>and 1700

That's more accurate now.
-- 
JAF     anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:43:25 GMT   author:   JAF

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=460421&in_page_id=1770
> 
> Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
> 
> A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> troubles.
> 
> Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> to ward off civil disturbance.
> 
> The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> will disturb Whitehall.
> 
> The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
> 
> These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
> 
> Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
> 
> Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> 'diversity' is new.
> 
> "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> the northern mill towns."
> 
> Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> particular risk.
> 
> Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> trigger racial tension.
> 
> Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
> 
> Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> 2004.
> 
> In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> European.
> 
> Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> per cent.
> 
> In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
> 
> But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> work here.
> 
> The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
> 
> Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> being made by many of the new arrivals.
> 
> A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
> 
> "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion." 


Well I for one would hate to see the newcomers treated in a resentful
and mean spirited way.
IMO we need to reflect on the fact that this situation is to some extent
the fruit of our own choices over the past 50 years - that is 50 years
of  peace and increasing prosperity.
As one of the glass half full people I regard peace and plenty as big ++s.
The government may be too dumb to do the right thing as may we when we
elect them, but at least we can try individually to treat newcomers with
humanity and even generosity. Surely we must not let politics poison our
souls.


J

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date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:56:40 +0100   author:   Djornsk

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"JAF"  wrote in message 
news:77ni631f3m5t8p1i9gpdu4c0ijjeg2hjl2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
>  didn't write,  it has been edited...
>
>>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 
>>1600
>>and 1700
>
> That's more accurate now.

Which group are you referring to?

There are three waves in immigration in that period.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:19:14 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
jb wrote:
> 
> "peter350"  wrote in message 
> news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> 
>> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
>> There are some very good looking women over there.
> 
> 
> Well go over there and stay with them!

The locals may be against an ethnic invasion.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:54:42 -0400   author:   Frank F. Matthews

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On 8 Jun, 02:22, Steve Greene <stephen_gre...@hotmail.com.invalid>
wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
>
> A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> troubles.
>
> Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> to ward off civil disturbance.
>
> The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> will disturb Whitehall.
>
> The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
>
> These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
>
> Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
>
> Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> 'diversity' is new.
>
> "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> the northern mill towns."
>
> Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> particular risk.
>
> Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> trigger racial tension.
>
> Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
>
> Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> 2004.
>
> In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> European.
>
> Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> per cent.
>
> In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
>
> But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> work here.
>
> The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
>
> Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> being made by many of the new arrivals.
>
> A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
>
> "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion."

I'm employing a very useful Polish plumber at the moment, he charges
less than the locals and he turns up on time.
What a refreshing change !!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:56:27 -0700   author:   Bob Slay

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 4:56 pm, Bob Slay  wrote:
> On 8 Jun, 02:22, Steve Greene <stephen_gre...@hotmail.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> > Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> > of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
>
> > A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> > overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> > troubles.
>
> > Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> > to ward off civil disturbance.
>
> > The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> > Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> > will disturb Whitehall.
>
> > The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> > communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
>
> > These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
>
> > Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> > villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> > Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
>
> > Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> > Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> > are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> > 'diversity' is new.
>
> > "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> > place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> > the northern mill towns."
>
> > Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> > Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> > particular risk.
>
> > Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> > said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> > with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> > trigger racial tension.
>
> > Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> > riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> > people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> > new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> > to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
>
> > Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> > that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> > increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> > 2004.
>
> > In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> > European.
>
> > Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> > and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> > per cent.
>
> > In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
>
> > But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> > they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> > work here.
>
> > The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
>
> > Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> > services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> > being made by many of the new arrivals.
>
> > A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> > night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> > important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> > way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
>
> > "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> > both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> > what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion."
>
> I'm employing a very useful Polish plumber at the moment, he charges
> less than the locals and he turns up on time.
> What a refreshing change !!-

He probably has lower costs, such as no mortgage.  Probably living in
a squat.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:18:16 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On 8 Jun, 10:04, "gentlegreen"
 wrote:
> "peter350"  wrote in message
>
> news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> > To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
> on
> > earth.
>
> > So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
>
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>
> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:18:37 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Bob Slay wrote:

> I'm employing a very useful Polish plumber at the moment, he charges
> less than the locals and he turns up on time.
> What a refreshing change !!

If immigrant workers performed *your* job for half your pay, would you 
be happy then, too?
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:28:46 GMT   author:   Joe Public

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
There are some very good looking women over there.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:40:04 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
> There are some very good looking women over there.

Well go over there and stay with them!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:13:22 GMT   author:   jb

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> Well go over there and stay with them!

To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place on
earth.

So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:30 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message
news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
> > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
on
> earth.
>
> So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.

So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:04:09 GMT   author:   gentlegreen

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
> 
> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before they
started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.

A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for all.

If White British people decided that they wanted to become mixed race then
that would be fine with me.  As long as a White ethnostate was set up
somewhere in the world. Australia for example.

It is my opinion that race relations would have been a hell of a lot better
if this had of been done.

The same as in the USA, if one state had of been declared 'whitesville' then
it would have given everyone an out.  Better in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:01:31 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 10:04 am, "gentlegreen"
 wrote:
> "peter350"  wrote in message
>
> news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> > To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
> on
> > earth.
>
> > So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
>
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

1947.

> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

Absolutely!  We'd get rid of the entire odious ruling class,
comprising the race relations industry, the media, the royal family,
the Church of England, the teachers, the police, the National Black
Police Association - in other words all those racists who have spent
more than half a century forcing on us their repugnant policy of
homogenophobic ethnic replacement.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:10:13 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:tbqdnctS0Ih-tfTbnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d@bt.com...
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before 
> they
> started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.
>
> A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for 
> all.

Well no.

The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1947 
and 1950 when the Anglo-Indian and East Indian communities moved here in 
very large numbers.

And disappeared...

Communities can integrate into the UK at a hell of a pace if they want to. 
The two Christian post colonial influxes from India have just disappeared 
into the background without a twitch from the 'body politic'.

Anyone who mentions sending the Jews back is these days considered, 
rightly, either certifiable or a Nazi.

The vast majority of the Muslim community in the UK,  especially the Sufi 
community, is busy integrating as fast as it can.

There is a small section of the Muslim community that is causing a problem 
but reading up on 'The Notting Hill Outrage' and 'the Siege of Sydney 
Street' a hundred or so years ago shows that the Jewish community had 
similar problems,  complete with attendant loopy Daily Mail editorials...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
peter350 wrote:
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> Europe.

It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits 
that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to 
improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages 
themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative 
sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany 
ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.
date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:59:29 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 12:59 pm, "John of Aix"  wrote:
> peter350 wrote:
> >> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>
> >> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> > The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> > before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> > Europe.
>
> It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits
> that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to
> improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages
> themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative
> sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany
> ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.

Can you explain how forty years of re-education and brainwashing seems
to have passed you by?  We were all supposed to believe by now that
imperialism and colonialism are evil.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:23:52 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:

[more shit from the Daily Mail]

Steve, just piss off will ya?

-- 
"Checking identity papers is a complete waste of time.  If anyone can 
be counted on to have valid papers, it will be the terrorists".
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:25:48 GMT   author:   Mary Pegg

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
 wrote:

>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1600
>and 1700

That's more accurate now.
-- 
JAF     anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:43:25 GMT   author:   JAF

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=460421&in_page_id=1770
> 
> Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
> 
> A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> troubles.
> 
> Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> to ward off civil disturbance.
> 
> The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> will disturb Whitehall.
> 
> The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
> 
> These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
> 
> Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
> 
> Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> 'diversity' is new.
> 
> "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> the northern mill towns."
> 
> Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> particular risk.
> 
> Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> trigger racial tension.
> 
> Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
> 
> Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> 2004.
> 
> In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> European.
> 
> Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> per cent.
> 
> In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
> 
> But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> work here.
> 
> The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
> 
> Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> being made by many of the new arrivals.
> 
> A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
> 
> "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion." 


Well I for one would hate to see the newcomers treated in a resentful
and mean spirited way.
IMO we need to reflect on the fact that this situation is to some extent
the fruit of our own choices over the past 50 years - that is 50 years
of  peace and increasing prosperity.
As one of the glass half full people I regard peace and plenty as big ++s.
The government may be too dumb to do the right thing as may we when we
elect them, but at least we can try individually to treat newcomers with
humanity and even generosity. Surely we must not let politics poison our
souls.


J

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date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:56:40 +0100   author:   Djornsk

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"JAF"  wrote in message 
news:77ni631f3m5t8p1i9gpdu4c0ijjeg2hjl2@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
>  didn't write,  it has been edited...
>
>>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 
>>1600
>>and 1700
>
> That's more accurate now.

Which group are you referring to?

There are three waves in immigration in that period.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:19:14 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
jb wrote:
> 
> "peter350"  wrote in message 
> news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> 
>> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
>> There are some very good looking women over there.
> 
> 
> Well go over there and stay with them!

The locals may be against an ethnic invasion.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:54:42 -0400   author:   Frank F. Matthews

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On 8 Jun, 02:22, Steve Greene <stephen_gre...@hotmail.com.invalid>
wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
>
> A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> troubles.
>
> Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> to ward off civil disturbance.
>
> The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> will disturb Whitehall.
>
> The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
>
> These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
>
> Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
>
> Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> 'diversity' is new.
>
> "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> the northern mill towns."
>
> Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> particular risk.
>
> Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> trigger racial tension.
>
> Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
>
> Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> 2004.
>
> In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> European.
>
> Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> per cent.
>
> In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
>
> But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> work here.
>
> The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
>
> Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> being made by many of the new arrivals.
>
> A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
>
> "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion."

I'm employing a very useful Polish plumber at the moment, he charges
less than the locals and he turns up on time.
What a refreshing change !!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:56:27 -0700   author:   Bob Slay

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 4:56 pm, Bob Slay  wrote:
> On 8 Jun, 02:22, Steve Greene <stephen_gre...@hotmail.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> > Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> > of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
>
> > A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> > overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> > troubles.
>
> > Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> > to ward off civil disturbance.
>
> > The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> > Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> > will disturb Whitehall.
>
> > The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> > communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
>
> > These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
>
> > Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> > villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> > Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
>
> > Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> > Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> > are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> > 'diversity' is new.
>
> > "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> > place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> > the northern mill towns."
>
> > Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> > Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> > particular risk.
>
> > Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> > said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> > with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> > trigger racial tension.
>
> > Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> > riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> > people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> > new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> > to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
>
> > Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> > that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> > increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> > 2004.
>
> > In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> > European.
>
> > Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> > and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> > per cent.
>
> > In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
>
> > But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> > they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> > work here.
>
> > The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
>
> > Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> > services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> > being made by many of the new arrivals.
>
> > A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> > night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> > important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> > way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
>
> > "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> > both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> > what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion."
>
> I'm employing a very useful Polish plumber at the moment, he charges
> less than the locals and he turns up on time.
> What a refreshing change !!-

He probably has lower costs, such as no mortgage.  Probably living in
a squat.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:18:16 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On 8 Jun, 10:04, "gentlegreen"
 wrote:
> "peter350"  wrote in message
>
> news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> > To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
> on
> > earth.
>
> > So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
>
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>
> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:18:37 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Bob Slay wrote:

> I'm employing a very useful Polish plumber at the moment, he charges
> less than the locals and he turns up on time.
> What a refreshing change !!

If immigrant workers performed *your* job for half your pay, would you 
be happy then, too?
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:28:46 GMT   author:   Joe Public

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
There are some very good looking women over there.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:40:04 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:6PCdnXJhf7ABdvXbnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
> I'm not against importing white people from eastern Europe.
> There are some very good looking women over there.

Well go over there and stay with them!
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:13:22 GMT   author:   jb

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> Well go over there and stay with them!

To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place on
earth.

So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:30 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message
news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
> > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
on
> earth.
>
> So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.

So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:04:09 GMT   author:   gentlegreen

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
> 
> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before they
started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.

A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for all.

If White British people decided that they wanted to become mixed race then
that would be fine with me.  As long as a White ethnostate was set up
somewhere in the world. Australia for example.

It is my opinion that race relations would have been a hell of a lot better
if this had of been done.

The same as in the USA, if one state had of been declared 'whitesville' then
it would have given everyone an out.  Better in the long run.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:01:31 +0100   author:   peter350

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 10:04 am, "gentlegreen"
 wrote:
> "peter350"  wrote in message
>
> news:c-udnfvORvLHlvTbnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > Well go over there and stay with them!
>
> > To be honest in 20 years eastern Europe is likely to be the Whitest place
> on
> > earth.
>
> > So the idea of going over there may not be a bad idea in the long run.
>
> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?

1947.

> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.

Absolutely!  We'd get rid of the entire odious ruling class,
comprising the race relations industry, the media, the royal family,
the Church of England, the teachers, the police, the National Black
Police Association - in other words all those racists who have spent
more than half a century forcing on us their repugnant policy of
homogenophobic ethnic replacement.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:10:13 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
"peter350"  wrote in message 
news:tbqdnctS0Ih-tfTbnZ2dnUVZ8q-rnZ2d@bt.com...
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked before 
> they
> started the mass immigration of non white people into Europe.
>
> A referendum in the 1970 would have answered the question once and for 
> all.

Well no.

The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1947 
and 1950 when the Anglo-Indian and East Indian communities moved here in 
very large numbers.

And disappeared...

Communities can integrate into the UK at a hell of a pace if they want to. 
The two Christian post colonial influxes from India have just disappeared 
into the background without a twitch from the 'body politic'.

Anyone who mentions sending the Jews back is these days considered, 
rightly, either certifiable or a Nazi.

The vast majority of the Muslim community in the UK,  especially the Sufi 
community, is busy integrating as fast as it can.

There is a small section of the Muslim community that is causing a problem 
but reading up on 'The Notting Hill Outrage' and 'the Siege of Sydney 
Street' a hundred or so years ago shows that the Jewish community had 
similar problems,  complete with attendant loopy Daily Mail editorials...

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT   author:   William Black

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
peter350 wrote:
>> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>>
>> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> Europe.

It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits 
that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to 
improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages 
themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative 
sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany 
ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.
date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:59:29 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Jun 8, 12:59 pm, "John of Aix"  wrote:
> peter350 wrote:
> >> So what is you guys' idea of  the UK's halcyon days ?
>
> >> It would suit me for one if all the racists headed off to Serbia.
>
> > The problem could have been avoided if the government had asked
> > before they started the mass immigration of non white people into
> > Europe.
>
> It could also be avoided if these villagers weren't such stupid fuckwits
> that they could realise that these immigrants are just people trying to
> improve their lives, like, no doubt, the majority of the villages
> themselves. Christ of we took these newsgroups as a representative
> sample we would consider the >UKL to be more racist than Nazi Germany
> ever was. You disgust me and bring shame to the country.

Can you explain how forty years of re-education and brainwashing seems
to have passed you by?  We were all supposed to believe by now that
imperialism and colonialism are evil.
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:23:52 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:

[more shit from the Daily Mail]

Steve, just piss off will ya?

-- 
"Checking identity papers is a complete waste of time.  If anyone can 
be counted on to have valid papers, it will be the terrorists".
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:25:48 GMT   author:   Mary Pegg

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:07:54 GMT, "William Black"
 wrote:

>The first major influx of non white people in recent times was between 1600
>and 1700

That's more accurate now.
-- 
JAF     anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
How many beans make five?
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:43:25 GMT   author:   JAF

Re: East European influx 'could trigger race riots in villages'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=460421&in_page_id=1770
> 
> Race riots could erupt in rural towns and villages with large numbers
> of Eastern European immigrants, a Government report will warn.
> 
> A special commission says community tensions are now more likely to
> overheat in rural areas than northern mill towns with a history of
> troubles.
> 
> Councils will be told they must draw up integration plans if they are
> to ward off civil disturbance.
> 
> The findings by the Government's Commission on Integration and
> Cohesion, established by Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly a year ago,
> will disturb Whitehall.
> 
> The authorities have so far focused on calming tensions between white
> communities and long- standing ethnic minority groups.
> 
> These erupted in 2001 with rioting in Oldham, Burnley and Bradford.
> 
> Now they are being told to switch the focus to small towns and
> villages put under enormous pressure by the influx of at least 630,000
> Eastern Europeans since May 2004.
> 
> Ed Cox, a member of the commission, told the Local Government
> Chronicle: "The analysis would suggest cohesion tensions in the future
> are more likely to be experienced in unexpected places where
> 'diversity' is new.
> 
> "Councils in these areas need to be ahead of the game and have in
> place cohesion and integration plans of a different kind from those of
> the northern mill towns."
> 
> Mr Cox, who is also head of policy at the Local Government Information
> Unit, singled out the East of England as one area which may be at
> particular risk.
> 
> Professor Ted Cantle, head of the Institute of Community Cohesion,
> said the arrival of new ethnic groups in communities already grappling
> with changes to local economies or facing housing shortages could
> trigger racial tension.
> 
> Professor Cantle, who wrote the Government reports into the 2001
> riots, added: "There are deeper social and psychological impacts of
> people feeling loss for some kind of past way of life. Where you have
> new inward migration, people can latch on to that. But it is important
> to distinguish between the trigger and the underlying reason."
> 
> Last month, Freedom of Information requests by the Daily Mail revealed
> that an unprecedented influx from the former Eastern Bloc has
> increased the population of some towns by almost 10 per cent since
> 2004.
> 
> In Boston, Lincolnshire, one in every ten residents is now an Eastern
> European.
> 
> Other towns - including Peterborough in Cambridgeshire, Northampton
> and parts of London - have seen their population increase by around 5
> per cent.
> 
> In the East of England, there have been more than 60,000 arrivals.
> 
> But even these figures are likely to be a dramatic underestimate, as
> they do not include the children or partners of those registered to
> work here.
> 
> The self-employed are also not counted in the figures.
> 
> Council leaders have warned that schools, hospitals and social
> services are all struggling to cope, despite the valuable contribution
> being made by many of the new arrivals.
> 
> A spokesman for the Commission on Integration and Cohesion said last
> night: "There are challenges associated with migration, but it is
> important that these are reported and debated in a calm and rational
> way that does not exaggerate the scale of the challenge.
> 
> "Migration has helped to transform our economy and enrich the country
> both socially and culturally, but of course it is right we look at
> what more we can do to promote greater integration and cohesion." 


Well I for one would hate to see the newcomers treated in a resentful
and mean spirited way.
IMO we need to reflect on the fact that this situation is to some extent
the fruit of our own choices over the past 50 years - that is 50 years
of  peace and increasing prosperity.
As one of the glass half full people I regard peace and plenty as big ++s.
The government may be too dumb to do the right thing as may we when we
elect them, but at least we can try individually to treat newcomers wi