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date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:39:05 +0100,    group: uk.local.nw-england        back       
Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf

MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.

A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
to stay permanently in the UK.

The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
thousands.

A total of 2,650 Poles registered for a National Insurance number in
Cambridge, East and South Cambridgeshire, Fenland and Huntingdonshire
in 2005/06.

Lithuanian nationals added another 1,010 to that figure with
immigrants from the Republic of Latvia applying for 310 NI numbers.

A survey by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation has found the number of
Eastern European immigrants who decide to stay increases four fold
after they arrive.

But the region's MPs said immigration which filled skill gaps in the
UK economy was a benefit.

The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive and fears
produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
members of the EU during the picking season.

One Polish couple making a positive impact are Monika Kolmasiak and
her husband Michael, both aged 26.

They have opened Polish Taste in St Ives, which sells a range of
Polish products including sausages, dumplings, bread and sweets Poles
would not be able to find in British supermarkets.

Monika said she could understand why British people would not want to
see large groups of migrants who did not want to work.

"We want to work, so it should not be a problem," she said. "You can
see people from all over Poland, but it is not just England, they are
going to places like Norway and Sweden as well."

Monika and Michael, who live in Bedford, have noticed the increase in
the number of Poles there and attendance has grown at the Polish
church.

"We have English friends as well, and we have very nice neighbours,"
Monika said.

She would like to return home at some stage because her family is
there, but she does not know if it will be financially viable to do
so.

"Many people who come here want to stay, and others want to get a job
and earn some money before they go back," she said.

She trained as a tourist guide but came to England before she could
start her profession and had been working in a St Ives factory.

Michael, from Lodz, who already had family in England, was a
self-employed painter and decorator.

"In Poland it is hard to find a job even for little money, and if you
have a job you do not know how long that job is going to last," Monika
said.

She said jobs were more stable in England, and it meant they could
afford to buy the things they wanted.

David Howarth, Cambridge City MP, said: "If people are finding jobs
and contributing to society here in the way that this report
describes, then of course the Government should be taking this into
account when considering what help they need to integrate into the
community."

Cambridgeshire South East MP and Tory Farming spokesman Jim Paice
said: "If there are jobs for them and they plug a skills gap then they
are very welcome. The ones we don't want are those who come to sponge
off the state or those involved in criminality.

"I am very worried that we do not have enough migrant workers to pick
intensive crops like soft fruit and salads."

In Huntingdonshire the number of migrant workers applying for NI
registrations between 2002 and 2006 was 2,770.

A spokesman for Huntingdonshire District Council said there had been a
"significant increase" in the number of registrations since the 10
additional countries joined the European Union in May 2004, most of
which came from these extra countries, including Poland and Lithuania.

People from these countries accounted for more than half the
registrations in 2005/6 which totalled 1,040.

Coun Ron Bradney, mayor of Ely, said Polish and Portuguese immigrants
who have settled in the region bring diversity to East Cambridgeshire.

He said: "Numbers have increased, but they are welcomed by people in
Ely.

"I don't think they are taking jobs away from local people, but rather
perhaps doing the jobs that our people do not want to do.

"They should, however, take English lessons."
date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:39:05 +0100   author:   Steve Greene lid

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
> 
> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
> 

Good openings for teaching English to these people. I like Polish people.
date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:46:25 +0100   author:   Laurie

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> posted
>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-8
>1d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>
>
>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive 

I'll bet they do. Ker-ching, ker-ching. 


>and fears
>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>members of the EU during the picking season.
>
>Cambridgeshire South East MP and Tory Farming spokesman Jim Paice
>said: "If there are jobs for them and they plug a skills gap then they
>are very welcome. 
>
>"I am very worried that we do not have enough migrant workers to pick
>intensive crops like soft fruit and salads."

Picking fruit is a skilled job?
 
-- 
PeteM

-- 
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date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:18:32 +0100   author:   PeteM

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:39:05 +0100, Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>
>MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
>A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>to stay permanently in the UK.
>
>The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>thousands.
>
>A total of 2,650 Poles registered for a National Insurance number in
>Cambridge, East and South Cambridgeshire, Fenland and Huntingdonshire
>in 2005/06.
>
>Lithuanian nationals added another 1,010 to that figure with
>immigrants from the Republic of Latvia applying for 310 NI numbers.
>
>A survey by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation has found the number of
>Eastern European immigrants who decide to stay increases four fold
>after they arrive.
>
>But the region's MPs said immigration which filled skill gaps in the
>UK economy was a benefit.
>
>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive and fears
>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>members of the EU during the picking season.
>


That's about twenty times now I have read that fruit will rot in the
fields because there are not enough immigrants to pick it this year.

Can someone please tell me where these picking jobs are advertised? I
have three members of my family who are unemployed who will be happy
to do the job, but the jobs are never advertised, not even in the Job
Centre.
date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:44:49 +0100   author:   Maria

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> posted
>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-8
>1d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>
>
>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive 

I'll bet they do. Ker-ching, ker-ching. 


>and fears
>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>members of the EU during the picking season.
>
>Cambridgeshire South East MP and Tory Farming spokesman Jim Paice
>said: "If there are jobs for them and they plug a skills gap then they
>are very welcome. 
>
>"I am very worried that we do not have enough migrant workers to pick
>intensive crops like soft fruit and salads."

Picking fruit is a skilled job?
 
-- 
PeteM

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:18:32 +0100   author:   PeteM

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:39:05 +0100, Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>
>MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
>A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>to stay permanently in the UK.
>
>The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>thousands.
>
>A total of 2,650 Poles registered for a National Insurance number in
>Cambridge, East and South Cambridgeshire, Fenland and Huntingdonshire
>in 2005/06.
>
>Lithuanian nationals added another 1,010 to that figure with
>immigrants from the Republic of Latvia applying for 310 NI numbers.
>
>A survey by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation has found the number of
>Eastern European immigrants who decide to stay increases four fold
>after they arrive.
>
>But the region's MPs said immigration which filled skill gaps in the
>UK economy was a benefit.
>
>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive and fears
>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>members of the EU during the picking season.
>


That's about twenty times now I have read that fruit will rot in the
fields because there are not enough immigrants to pick it this year.

Can someone please tell me where these picking jobs are advertised? I
have three members of my family who are unemployed who will be happy
to do the job, but the jobs are never advertised, not even in the Job
Centre.
date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:44:49 +0100   author:   Maria

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:18:32 +0100, PeteM  wrote:

>Steve Greene <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> posted
>>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-8
>>1d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>>
>>
>>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive 
>
>I'll bet they do. Ker-ching, ker-ching. 
>
>
>>and fears
>>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>>members of the EU during the picking season.
>>
>>Cambridgeshire South East MP and Tory Farming spokesman Jim Paice
>>said: "If there are jobs for them and they plug a skills gap then they
>>are very welcome. 
>>
>>"I am very worried that we do not have enough migrant workers to pick
>>intensive crops like soft fruit and salads."
>
>Picking fruit is a skilled job?
> 
No but the people in the UK who would have done it in the past have
been scared off by raids from the DWP and council benefit teams
date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:14:53 +0100   author:   Alang

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> posted
>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-8
>1d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>
>
>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive 

I'll bet they do. Ker-ching, ker-ching. 


>and fears
>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>members of the EU during the picking season.
>
>Cambridgeshire South East MP and Tory Farming spokesman Jim Paice
>said: "If there are jobs for them and they plug a skills gap then they
>are very welcome. 
>
>"I am very worried that we do not have enough migrant workers to pick
>intensive crops like soft fruit and salads."

Picking fruit is a skilled job?
 
-- 
PeteM

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:18:32 +0100   author:   PeteM

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:39:05 +0100, Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>
>MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
>A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>to stay permanently in the UK.
>
>The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>thousands.
>
>A total of 2,650 Poles registered for a National Insurance number in
>Cambridge, East and South Cambridgeshire, Fenland and Huntingdonshire
>in 2005/06.
>
>Lithuanian nationals added another 1,010 to that figure with
>immigrants from the Republic of Latvia applying for 310 NI numbers.
>
>A survey by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation has found the number of
>Eastern European immigrants who decide to stay increases four fold
>after they arrive.
>
>But the region's MPs said immigration which filled skill gaps in the
>UK economy was a benefit.
>
>The National Farmers' Union wants more immigrants to arrive and fears
>produce will rot in the fields unless more labour comes from the new
>members of the EU during the picking season.
>


That's about twenty times now I have read that fruit will rot in the
fields because there are not enough immigrants to pick it this year.

Can someone please tell me where these picking jobs are advertised? I
have three members of my family who are unemployed who will be happy
to do the job, but the jobs are never advertised, not even in the Job
Centre.
date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 12:44:49 +0100   author:   Maria

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
> 
> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
> 
> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> to stay permanently in the UK.
> 
> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> thousands.

You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
and work anywhere within the European Union.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:06:08 +0100   author:   johannes

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 1:06 pm, johannes  wrote:
> Steve Greene wrote:
>
> >http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-...
>
> > MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
> > A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> > to stay permanently in the UK.
>
> > The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> > countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> > thousands.
>
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.

Moving makes them migrants.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:20:17 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
johannes wrote:
> 
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>>
>> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>>
>> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>> to stay permanently in the UK.
>>
>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>> thousands.
> 
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.
how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of 
the world by emigrating?
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:57 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
X-No-Archive: yes
"kj"  wrote in message 
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> johannes wrote:


>> Steve Greene wrote:


>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>> thousands.


>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>> move
>> and work anywhere within the European Union.


> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
> world by emigrating?



!!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
throughout (catholic) France.
Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
[... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
(almost entirely) non existent in France.
You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
Vive la Franglais.....!!


Mark
date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:44:54 +0100   author:   mark

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
mark wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> "kj"  wrote in message 
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
> 
> 
>> johannes wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>> thousands.
> 
> 
>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>> move
>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> 
> 
>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>> world by emigrating?
> 
> 
> 
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.
> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:09:46 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
> 
> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
> 
> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> to stay permanently in the UK.
> 
> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> thousands.

You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
and work anywhere within the European Union.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:06:08 +0100   author:   johannes

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 1:06 pm, johannes  wrote:
> Steve Greene wrote:
>
> >http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-...
>
> > MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
> > A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> > to stay permanently in the UK.
>
> > The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> > countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> > thousands.
>
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.

Moving makes them migrants.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:20:17 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
johannes wrote:
> 
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>>
>> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>>
>> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>> to stay permanently in the UK.
>>
>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>> thousands.
> 
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.
how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of 
the world by emigrating?
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:57 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
X-No-Archive: yes
"kj"  wrote in message 
news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...


> johannes wrote:


>> Steve Greene wrote:


>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>> thousands.


>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>> move
>> and work anywhere within the European Union.


> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
> world by emigrating?



!!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
throughout (catholic) France.
Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
[... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
(almost entirely) non existent in France.
You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
Vive la Franglais.....!!


Mark
date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:44:54 +0100   author:   mark

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
mark wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> "kj"  wrote in message 
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
> 
> 
>> johannes wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>> thousands.
> 
> 
>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>> move
>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> 
> 
>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>> world by emigrating?
> 
> 
> 
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.
> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:09:46 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 2:44 pm, "mark"  wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes"kj"  wrote in message
>
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > johannes wrote:
> >> Steve Greene wrote:
> >>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> >>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> >>> thousands.
> >> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to
> >> move
> >> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> > how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the
> > world by emigrating?
>
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!)
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values,
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.

Must have changed a hell of a lot since the 60s and early 70s then.  I
stayed with several French families and the class division was
something I had never before experienced.  It was like stepping back
several centuries.



> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home,
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>

Since the export of it is the business of the receiving countries we
don't need to consider it at all.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:55:28 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
kj explained on 03/06/2007 :
> mark wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>> "kj"  wrote in message 
>> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> 
>> 
>>> johannes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> Steve Greene wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>>> thousands.
>> 
>> 
>>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>>> move
>>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
>> 
>> 
>>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>>> world by emigrating?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
>> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
>> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
>> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
>> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
>> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
>> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
>> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a 
>> grass pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
>> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
>> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and 
>> probably do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 
>> 30/38% during a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
>> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
>> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
>> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
>> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
>> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
>> throughout (catholic) France.
>> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and 
>> Tonics [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in 
>> their homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint 
>> english format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals 
>> with socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system 
>> that is (almost entirely) non existent in France.
>> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
>> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday 
>> home, how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a 
>> holiday home you are not even on the social structure list, whether you 
>> speak French and how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the 
>> middle class brits in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    
>> Unlike, largely, the northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
>> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
>> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
>> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
> should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!

How about we get out of the great Satan the EU and close our borders 
for the time being.

-- 
Count Baldoni

BALDONI REX ROMANORUM
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:06:12 +0100   author:   Baldoni XXV baldoniXXVnil@googlemail.com

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
> 
> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
> 
> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> to stay permanently in the UK.
> 
> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> thousands.

You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
and work anywhere within the European Union.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:06:08 +0100   author:   johannes

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 1:06 pm, johannes  wrote:
> Steve Greene wrote:
>
> >http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-...
>
> > MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
> > A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> > to stay permanently in the UK.
>
> > The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> > countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> > thousands.
>
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.

Moving makes them migrants.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:20:17 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
johannes wrote:
> 
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>>
>> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>>
>> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>> to stay permanently in the UK.
>>
>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>> thousands.
> 
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.
how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of 
the world by emigrating?
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:57 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
X-No-Archive: yes
"kj"  wrote in message 
news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...


> johannes wrote:


>> Steve Greene wrote:


>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>> thousands.


>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>> move
>> and work anywhere within the European Union.


> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
> world by emigrating?



!!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
throughout (catholic) France.
Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
[... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
(almost entirely) non existent in France.
You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
Vive la Franglais.....!!


Mark
date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:44:54 +0100   author:   mark

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
mark wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> "kj"  wrote in message 
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
> 
> 
>> johannes wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>> thousands.
> 
> 
>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>> move
>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> 
> 
>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>> world by emigrating?
> 
> 
> 
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.
> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:09:46 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 2:44 pm, "mark"  wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes"kj"  wrote in message
>
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > johannes wrote:
> >> Steve Greene wrote:
> >>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> >>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> >>> thousands.
> >> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to
> >> move
> >> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> > how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the
> > world by emigrating?
>
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!)
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values,
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.

Must have changed a hell of a lot since the 60s and early 70s then.  I
stayed with several French families and the class division was
something I had never before experienced.  It was like stepping back
several centuries.



> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home,
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>

Since the export of it is the business of the receiving countries we
don't need to consider it at all.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:55:28 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
kj explained on 03/06/2007 :
> mark wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>> "kj"  wrote in message 
>> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> 
>> 
>>> johannes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> Steve Greene wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>>> thousands.
>> 
>> 
>>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>>> move
>>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
>> 
>> 
>>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>>> world by emigrating?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
>> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
>> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
>> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
>> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
>> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
>> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
>> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a 
>> grass pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
>> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
>> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and 
>> probably do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 
>> 30/38% during a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
>> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
>> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
>> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
>> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
>> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
>> throughout (catholic) France.
>> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and 
>> Tonics [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in 
>> their homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint 
>> english format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals 
>> with socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system 
>> that is (almost entirely) non existent in France.
>> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
>> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday 
>> home, how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a 
>> holiday home you are not even on the social structure list, whether you 
>> speak French and how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the 
>> middle class brits in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    
>> Unlike, largely, the northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
>> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
>> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
>> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
> should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!

How about we get out of the great Satan the EU and close our borders 
for the time being.

-- 
Count Baldoni

BALDONI REX ROMANORUM
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:06:12 +0100   author:   Baldoni XXV baldoniXXVnil@googlemail.com

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
> 
> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
> 
> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> to stay permanently in the UK.
> 
> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> thousands.

You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
and work anywhere within the European Union.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:06:08 +0100   author:   johannes

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 1:06 pm, johannes  wrote:
> Steve Greene wrote:
>
> >http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-...
>
> > MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
> > A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> > to stay permanently in the UK.
>
> > The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> > countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> > thousands.
>
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.

Moving makes them migrants.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:20:17 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
johannes wrote:
> 
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>>
>> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>>
>> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>> to stay permanently in the UK.
>>
>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>> thousands.
> 
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.
how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of 
the world by emigrating?
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:57 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
X-No-Archive: yes
"kj"  wrote in message 
news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...


> johannes wrote:


>> Steve Greene wrote:


>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>> thousands.


>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>> move
>> and work anywhere within the European Union.


> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
> world by emigrating?



!!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
throughout (catholic) France.
Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
[... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
(almost entirely) non existent in France.
You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
Vive la Franglais.....!!


Mark
date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:44:54 +0100   author:   mark

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
mark wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> "kj"  wrote in message 
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
> 
> 
>> johannes wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>> thousands.
> 
> 
>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>> move
>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> 
> 
>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>> world by emigrating?
> 
> 
> 
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.
> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:09:46 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 2:44 pm, "mark"  wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes"kj"  wrote in message
>
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > johannes wrote:
> >> Steve Greene wrote:
> >>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> >>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> >>> thousands.
> >> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to
> >> move
> >> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> > how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the
> > world by emigrating?
>
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!)
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values,
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.

Must have changed a hell of a lot since the 60s and early 70s then.  I
stayed with several French families and the class division was
something I had never before experienced.  It was like stepping back
several centuries.



> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home,
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>

Since the export of it is the business of the receiving countries we
don't need to consider it at all.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:55:28 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
kj explained on 03/06/2007 :
> mark wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>> "kj"  wrote in message 
>> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> 
>> 
>>> johannes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> Steve Greene wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>>> thousands.
>> 
>> 
>>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>>> move
>>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
>> 
>> 
>>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>>> world by emigrating?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
>> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
>> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
>> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
>> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
>> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
>> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
>> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a 
>> grass pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
>> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
>> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and 
>> probably do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 
>> 30/38% during a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
>> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
>> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
>> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
>> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
>> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
>> throughout (catholic) France.
>> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and 
>> Tonics [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in 
>> their homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint 
>> english format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals 
>> with socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system 
>> that is (almost entirely) non existent in France.
>> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
>> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday 
>> home, how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a 
>> holiday home you are not even on the social structure list, whether you 
>> speak French and how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the 
>> middle class brits in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    
>> Unlike, largely, the northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
>> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
>> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
>> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
> should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!

How about we get out of the great Satan the EU and close our borders 
for the time being.

-- 
Count Baldoni

BALDONI REX ROMANORUM
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:06:12 +0100   author:   Baldoni XXV baldoniXXVnil@googlemail.com

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
> 
> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
> 
> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> to stay permanently in the UK.
> 
> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> thousands.

You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
and work anywhere within the European Union.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:06:08 +0100   author:   johannes

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 1:06 pm, johannes  wrote:
> Steve Greene wrote:
>
> >http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-...
>
> > MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>
> > A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
> > to stay permanently in the UK.
>
> > The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> > countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> > thousands.
>
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.

Moving makes them migrants.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 05:20:17 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
johannes wrote:
> 
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2007/05/30/416291ca-11a3-4791-81d4-bcb3d65cf673.lpf
>>
>> MPs and unions have welcomed the influx of immigrants to the region.
>>
>> A national survey found a growing number of Eastern Europeans intend
>> to stay permanently in the UK.
>>
>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>> thousands.
> 
> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to move
> and work anywhere within the European Union.
how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of 
the world by emigrating?
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:57 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
X-No-Archive: yes
"kj"  wrote in message 
news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...


> johannes wrote:


>> Steve Greene wrote:


>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>> thousands.


>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>> move
>> and work anywhere within the European Union.


> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
> world by emigrating?



!!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
throughout (catholic) France.
Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
[... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
(almost entirely) non existent in France.
You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
Vive la Franglais.....!!


Mark
date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:44:54 +0100   author:   mark

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
mark wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> "kj"  wrote in message 
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
> 
> 
>> johannes wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Steve Greene wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>> thousands.
> 
> 
>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>> move
>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> 
> 
>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>> world by emigrating?
> 
> 
> 
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass 
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably 
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during 
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics 
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their 
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english 
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with 
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is 
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.
> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home, 
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home 
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and 
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits 
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the 
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:09:46 +0100   author:   kj

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
On Jun 3, 2:44 pm, "mark"  wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes"kj"  wrote in message
>
> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > johannes wrote:
> >> Steve Greene wrote:
> >>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
> >>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
> >>> thousands.
> >> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to
> >> move
> >> and work anywhere within the European Union.
> > how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the
> > world by emigrating?
>
> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of
> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!)
> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too
> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable
> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a grass
> pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not
> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and probably
> do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 30/38% during
> a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us
> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad
> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values,
> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........
> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation
> throughout (catholic) France.
> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and Tonics
> [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in their
> homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint english
> format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals with
> socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system that is
> (almost entirely) non existent in France.

Must have changed a hell of a lot since the 60s and early 70s then.  I
stayed with several French families and the class division was
something I had never before experienced.  It was like stepping back
several centuries.



> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice
> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday home,
> how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a holiday home
> you are not even on the social structure list, whether you speak French and
> how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the middle class brits
> in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    Unlike, largely, the
> northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture
> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>

Since the export of it is the business of the receiving countries we
don't need to consider it at all.
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:55:28 -0700   author:   unknown

Re: Migrants who work 'are welcome here'   
kj explained on 03/06/2007 :
> mark wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>> "kj"  wrote in message 
>> news:qP-dnfm-9-vXIv_bnZ2dnUVZ8sDinZ2d@bt.com...
>> 
>> 
>>> johannes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> Steve Greene wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>> The number of immigrants arriving in the UK from former Communist
>>>>> countries has outstripped Government forecasts by hundreds of
>>>>> thousands.
>> 
>> 
>>>> You can hardly call them migrants. They are EU citizens with rights to 
>>>> move
>>>> and work anywhere within the European Union.
>> 
>> 
>>> how about the 250,000 Brits that force their lifestyle on the rest of the 
>>> world by emigrating?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> !!!!!!!   and that's not even the total in Spain already......
>> As I posted a while back, in the South of France we have had a surge of 
>> Brits moving over and living there during the past 8 years or so.
>> I was recently approached to *join*  a newly formed Cricket team (!!!!!!) 
>> who had arranged matches and even a playing ground close to Montpellier.
>> For the most part, people do not have 'lawns' or grass because it is too 
>> bloody hot during summer and water is actually considered a valuable 
>> resource in this part of the world.  Too valuablt to sprinkle around a 
>> grass pitch so that ex-pat brits can have a jolly on sundays....
>> Of course, there is no (cricket) opposition from the French as they do not 
>> play cricket, have little idea or inclination to adopt the game and 
>> probably do not want to stand around in the full sun and heat of around 
>> 30/38% during a summer afternoon...   talk about bloody mad dogs........
>> However, this is a small example of the valuable point you make.     Us 
>> Brits are STILL circumnavigating the world, still creating colonies abroad 
>> and having done so, are well advanced in importing good British values, 
>> ideas and concepts into the receiving population and communities........ 
>> oh, and there are  a myriad of  C of E churches already in operation 
>> throughout (catholic) France.
>> Yes. Daily english newspapers, Cheddar Cheese, English Radio, Gin and 
>> Tonics [... I ask you,  the French fall about when asked for a G & T in 
>> their homes,  let alone a bar] Dinner parties........  a nice quaint 
>> english format hardly ever mirrored by the French, Canvas shorts, sandals 
>> with socks, floppy straw hats   .......... and a class and social system 
>> that is (almost entirely) non existent in France.
>> You are marked up or down in much the same way as England with the nice 
>> added nuance of whether you live full time in France or have a holiday 
>> home, how long you have lived (full time)  in France - if you have a 
>> holiday home you are not even on the social structure list, whether you 
>> speak French and how fluently you can do so.....   can you imagine how the 
>> middle class brits in (..the South of) France actually carry on....?    
>> Unlike, largely, the northern working classes that have moved to Spain...
>> Oh, deep joy for those utterly concerned myopically with British culture 
>> here in England whilst ignoring the export of it elsewhere.........
>> Vive la Franglais.....!!
>> 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
> should have said 250,000 per year!!!!!

How about we get out of the great Satan the EU and close our borders 
for the time being.

-- 
Count Baldoni

BALDONI REX ROMANORUM
date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:06:12 +0100   author:   Baldoni XXV baldoniXXVnil@googlemail.com

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