http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770

Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.

Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
positions as part of a £242,000 study.

The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.

But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
years below the legal age of consent.

Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
about sex".

They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
unpopular causes.

In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
the centre of a flip chart.

"Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
if that is needed," said a report on the project.

Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
"girls should not carry condoms".

One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
body maps.

For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
four locations.

In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
sexually active.

A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."

The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.

The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.

Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
was obtained for under-16s.

The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.

Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.

"It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
worthy of lottery funding."

The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"jb"  wrote in message
news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
457280&in_page_id=1770
> >
> > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
> >
> > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > positions as part of a £242,000 study.

Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
and police.

>
> > > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> > > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > > positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
> and police.

Yes, if anyone had got up to this sort of thing on the Internet, in
some chat room, they're arse wouldn't have touched the ground.

Yet, if they had it might have saved us a shit load of money and the
results would certainly been more accurate.

Besides everyone should know by now that your average thirteen year
old lad is the World's biggest perveret (I know I was - in my dreams
at least) trouble is it's all downhill from there.

Personally, I just wish that I had been the victim of underage sexual
abuse at thirteen, preferably by Miss Hart.

What I really hate about this generation is that they're all getting
blow jobs at an age when my generation didn't even know what one was.

The little bastards have experienced it all by the time they leave
school whilst my lot were all still virgins yet we're expected to pay
for all the consequences.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"jb"  wrote in message
news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
457280&in_page_id=1770
> >
> > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
> >
> > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > positions as part of a £242,000 study.

Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
and police.

>
> > > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> > > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > > positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
> and police.

Yes, if anyone had got up to this sort of thing on the Internet, in
some chat room, they're arse wouldn't have touched the ground.

Yet, if they had it might have saved us a shit load of money and the
results would certainly been more accurate.

Besides everyone should know by now that your average thirteen year
old lad is the World's biggest perveret (I know I was - in my dreams
at least) trouble is it's all downhill from there.

Personally, I just wish that I had been the victim of underage sexual
abuse at thirteen, preferably by Miss Hart.

What I really hate about this generation is that they're all getting
blow jobs at an age when my generation didn't even know what one was.

The little bastards have experienced it all by the time they leave
school whilst my lot were all still virgins yet we're expected to pay
for all the consequences.

jb wrote:
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...

>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Say no more.

tibet wrote:
> "jb"  wrote in message
> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>
>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
> workers and police.

Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>tibet wrote:
>> "jb"  wrote in message
>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>
>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>
>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>
>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
>> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
>> workers and police.
>
>Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron. 
>

If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts and
positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
<insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

FACE

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"jb"  wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
457280&in_page_id=1770
> >
> > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
> >
> > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > positions as part of a £242,000 study.

Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
and police.

>
> > > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> > > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > > positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
> and police.

Yes, if anyone had got up to this sort of thing on the Internet, in
some chat room, they're arse wouldn't have touched the ground.

Yet, if they had it might have saved us a shit load of money and the
results would certainly been more accurate.

Besides everyone should know by now that your average thirteen year
old lad is the World's biggest perveret (I know I was - in my dreams
at least) trouble is it's all downhill from there.

Personally, I just wish that I had been the victim of underage sexual
abuse at thirteen, preferably by Miss Hart.

What I really hate about this generation is that they're all getting
blow jobs at an age when my generation didn't even know what one was.

The little bastards have experienced it all by the time they leave
school whilst my lot were all still virgins yet we're expected to pay
for all the consequences.

jb wrote:
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...

>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Say no more.

tibet wrote:
> "jb"  wrote in message
> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>
>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
> workers and police.

Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>tibet wrote:
>> "jb"  wrote in message
>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>
>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>
>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>
>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
>> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
>> workers and police.
>
>Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron. 
>

If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts and
positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
<insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

FACE

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"jb"  wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
457280&in_page_id=1770
> >
> > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
> >
> > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > positions as part of a £242,000 study.

Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
and police.

>
> > > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> > > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > > positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
> and police.

Yes, if anyone had got up to this sort of thing on the Internet, in
some chat room, they're arse wouldn't have touched the ground.

Yet, if they had it might have saved us a shit load of money and the
results would certainly been more accurate.

Besides everyone should know by now that your average thirteen year
old lad is the World's biggest perveret (I know I was - in my dreams
at least) trouble is it's all downhill from there.

Personally, I just wish that I had been the victim of underage sexual
abuse at thirteen, preferably by Miss Hart.

What I really hate about this generation is that they're all getting
blow jobs at an age when my generation didn't even know what one was.

The little bastards have experienced it all by the time they leave
school whilst my lot were all still virgins yet we're expected to pay
for all the consequences.

jb wrote:
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...

>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Say no more.

tibet wrote:
> "jb"  wrote in message
> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>
>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
> workers and police.

Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>tibet wrote:
>> "jb"  wrote in message
>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>
>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>
>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>
>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
>> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
>> workers and police.
>
>Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron. 
>

If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts and
positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
<insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

FACE

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"jb"  wrote in message
news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
457280&in_page_id=1770
> >
> > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
> >
> > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > positions as part of a £242,000 study.

Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
and police.

>
> > > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> > > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > > positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
> and police.

Yes, if anyone had got up to this sort of thing on the Internet, in
some chat room, they're arse wouldn't have touched the ground.

Yet, if they had it might have saved us a shit load of money and the
results would certainly been more accurate.

Besides everyone should know by now that your average thirteen year
old lad is the World's biggest perveret (I know I was - in my dreams
at least) trouble is it's all downhill from there.

Personally, I just wish that I had been the victim of underage sexual
abuse at thirteen, preferably by Miss Hart.

What I really hate about this generation is that they're all getting
blow jobs at an age when my generation didn't even know what one was.

The little bastards have experienced it all by the time they leave
school whilst my lot were all still virgins yet we're expected to pay
for all the consequences.

jb wrote:
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...

>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Say no more.

tibet wrote:
> "jb"  wrote in message
> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>
>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
> workers and police.

Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>tibet wrote:
>> "jb"  wrote in message
>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>
>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>
>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>
>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
>> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
>> workers and police.
>
>Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron. 
>

If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts and
positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
<insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

FACE

FACE wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
> , wrote
>
>> tibet wrote:
>>> "jb"  wrote in message
>>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>> message news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>>
>>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts
>>>>> and positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>>
>>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those
>>> that participate in this study have what they say passed to the
>>> social workers and police.
>>
>> Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.
>>
>
> If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts
> and positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
> <insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

I don't think there is any law against minors (under the age of sexual 
consent) doing things with other minors in the same situation.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 18:41:30 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>FACE wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
>> , wrote
>>
>>> tibet wrote:
>>>> "jb"  wrote in message
>>>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> message news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>>>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts
>>>>>> and positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>>>
>>>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those
>>>> that participate in this study have what they say passed to the
>>>> social workers and police.
>>>
>>> Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.
>>>
>>
>> If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts
>> and positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
>> <insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >
>
>I don't think there is any law against minors (under the age of sexual 
>consent) doing things with other minors in the same situation. 
>

I agree with that.  As to the law, the nub of course would be if "of-age"
people are involved with the underaged.  Apparently, that was the case in
the unfortunate case of the girl whose body ended up (possibly) in the
kebabs.

In this case though the law would not be involved in your scenario of
"under-age with under-age" it would still be "underage sex".


FACE

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National Lottery cash to fund the
> project, reigniting the row over the payment of grants to obscure or
> unpopular causes.
>
> In one activity during the project, run by the charity YWCA which
> works with disadvantaged young women, the word "sex" was written at
> the centre of a flip chart.
>
> "Participants suggest all the words they can think of that are related
> to sex, from parents to sadomasochism, explaining them to each other
> if that is needed," said a report on the project.
>
> Girls were also asked how far they agreed with statements such as
> "girls should not carry condoms".
>
> One game involved running around a room saying sex-related words.
> Another involved writing "rude" and sexual words on male and female
> body maps.
>
> For the "Is it a sex thing?" project, YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
>
> In Carlisle, 18 girls aged between 12 and 16 took part. Most were
> sexually active.
>
> A report into the project, unveiled at a conference on sex education
> in London said: "The group carried out an exercise in which they
> defined sexual acts that they liked and did not like."
>
> The researchers concluded that girls in the Carlisle study group often
> engaged in sexual activity "for fun", a "dare" and "a laugh" - and not
> as part of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship.
>
> The other groups consisted of ten women aged between 15 and 17 in
> Acton, West London, young mothers in Northampton and lesbian or
> bisexual women in Bristol aged 23 to 30.
>
> Some participants were already attending YWCA centres while others
> were recruited using poster campaigns. The YWCA said parental consent
> was obtained for under-16s.
>
> The findings prompted the YWCA to call for sex education lessons to be
> made compulsory in schools - and that the classes must take into
> account "sex as a laugh" attitudes. Although set up by Christian
> founders, the YWCA no longer has a faith affiliation.
>
> Norman Wells, director of the pressure group Family and Youth Concern,
> said: "In trying to break down young people's natural inhibitions
> about sex by means of such crude and voyeuristic exercises, sex
> educators are breaking down one of the most powerful disincentives to
> underage teenagers engaging in sexual activity.
>
> "It's hard to see how an approach which could lead to more casual sex,
> more unmarried teenage pregnancy, more lone parenthood and more
> sexually-transmitted infections has been deemed a good cause and
> worthy of lottery funding."
>
> The YWCA insisted the participants had chosen which issues they wished
> to discuss and workers merely acted as "facilitators". Colette Jones,
> YWCA research manager, said: "If we don't understand what young women
> are getting up to, how can we intervene?"

They actually meant to say participate:-))

Steve Greene wrote:
> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
> four locations.
> 

While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the Daily 
Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

"Scott"  wrote in message 
news:f36gpm$hnf$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> Steve Greene wrote:
>> YWCA workers recruited 49 girls
>> aged between 12 and 30 to take part in regular discussion groups at
>> four locations.
>>
>
> While a 12 year old may be described accurately as a 'girl', why does the 
> Daily Mail consider the 30 year old to be a 'girl'?

Why did employers when advertising for staff, advertise for 'Ladies' for the 
office and 'Girls' for the factory?

Don't know if they still do but they certainly did when I was in Leicester. 
I later went on to meet many of the 'Ladies' when I worked in offices!!!

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"jb"  wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> >
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
457280&in_page_id=1770
> >
> > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
> >
> > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > positions as part of a £242,000 study.

Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
and police.

>
> > > Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> > > lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> > > Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> > > positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social workers
> and police.

Yes, if anyone had got up to this sort of thing on the Internet, in
some chat room, they're arse wouldn't have touched the ground.

Yet, if they had it might have saved us a shit load of money and the
results would certainly been more accurate.

Besides everyone should know by now that your average thirteen year
old lad is the World's biggest perveret (I know I was - in my dreams
at least) trouble is it's all downhill from there.

Personally, I just wish that I had been the victim of underage sexual
abuse at thirteen, preferably by Miss Hart.

What I really hate about this generation is that they're all getting
blow jobs at an age when my generation didn't even know what one was.

The little bastards have experienced it all by the time they leave
school whilst my lot were all still virgins yet we're expected to pay
for all the consequences.

jb wrote:
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...

>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Say no more.

tibet wrote:
> "jb"  wrote in message
> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>
>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
> workers and police.

Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>tibet wrote:
>> "jb"  wrote in message
>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>
>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>
>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
>>>> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>
>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those that
>> participate in this study have what they say passed to the social
>> workers and police.
>
>Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron. 
>

If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts and
positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
<insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

FACE

FACE wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
> , wrote
>
>> tibet wrote:
>>> "jb"  wrote in message
>>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>
>>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>> message news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>>
>>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>>
>>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts
>>>>> and positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>>
>>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those
>>> that participate in this study have what they say passed to the
>>> social workers and police.
>>
>> Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.
>>
>
> If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts
> and positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
> <insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >

I don't think there is any law against minors (under the age of sexual 
consent) doing things with other minors in the same situation.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 18:41:30 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>FACE wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
>> , wrote
>>
>>> tibet wrote:
>>>> "jb"  wrote in message
>>>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> message news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>>>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts
>>>>>> and positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>>>
>>>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those
>>>> that participate in this study have what they say passed to the
>>>> social workers and police.
>>>
>>> Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off moron.
>>>
>>
>> If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex acts
>> and positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
>> <insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >
>
>I don't think there is any law against minors (under the age of sexual 
>consent) doing things with other minors in the same situation. 
>

I agree with that.  As to the law, the nub of course would be if "of-age"
people are involved with the underaged.  Apparently, that was the case in
the unfortunate case of the girl whose body ended up (possibly) in the
kebabs.

In this case though the law would not be involved in your scenario of
"under-age with under-age" it would still be "underage sex".


FACE

FACE wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 18:41:30 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
> , wrote
>
>> FACE wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of
>>> Aix" , wrote
>>>
>>>> tibet wrote:
>>>>> "jb"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>>>>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts
>>>>>>> and positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those
>>>>> that participate in this study have what they say passed to the
>>>>> social workers and police.
>>>>
>>>> Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off
>>>> moron.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex
>>> acts and positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
>>> <insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >
>>
>> I don't think there is any law against minors (under the age of
>> sexual consent) doing things with other minors in the same situation.
>>
>
> I agree with that.  As to the law, the nub of course would be if
> "of-age" people are involved with the underaged.  Apparently, that
> was the case in the unfortunate case of the girl whose body ended up
> (possibly) in the kebabs.
>
> In this case though the law would not be involved in your scenario of
> "under-age with under-age" it would still be "underage sex".

No, I don't think it would, they are not 'under' any 'age' that concerns 
the law in ths case, as the law does not cover it. It is therefore just 
sex.

>
>
> FACE

On Sun, 27 May 2007 00:02:05 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
, wrote 

>FACE wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 18:41:30 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of Aix"
>> , wrote
>>
>>> FACE wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 May 2007 00:49:50 +0200,  in uk.politics.misc "John of
>>>> Aix" , wrote
>>>>
>>>>> tibet wrote:
>>>>>> "jb"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:srz5i.25398$Ro3.24357@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=
>>>>>> 457280&in_page_id=1770
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
>>>>>>>> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts
>>>>>>>> and positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those involved in underage sex are breaking the law, I hope those
>>>>>> that participate in this study have what they say passed to the
>>>>>> social workers and police.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stupid fuck. They aren't 'involved in underage sex'. Piss off
>>>>> moron.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If this study includes 12 yo girls discussing their favorite sex
>>>> acts and positions, then how could that be other than underage sex?
>>>> <insert naughty words where appropriate. ;-) >
>>>
>>> I don't think there is any law against minors (under the age of
>>> sexual consent) doing things with other minors in the same situation.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with that.  As to the law, the nub of course would be if
>> "of-age" people are involved with the underaged.  Apparently, that
>> was the case in the unfortunate case of the girl whose body ended up
>> (possibly) in the kebabs.
>>
>> In this case though the law would not be involved in your scenario of
>> "under-age with under-age" it would still be "underage sex".
>
>No, I don't think it would, they are not 'under' any 'age' that concerns 
>the law in ths case, as the law does not cover it. It is therefore just 
>sex.
>
 
I can see your view.  I was looking at what I would consider a descriptive
view and the OP's statement of "social workers and police".  Which, not to
quibble over the meaning of "and" vs. "or", i did not take to necessarily
involve the police.

Perhaps we can carry on as were..........or perhaps not. ;-)

FACE

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:tadc53hp4ogui7rflc506slrkii2a3g617@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457280&in_page_id=1770
>
> Girls of 12 were questioned about their sexual preferences by
> lottery-funded researchers, it has emerged.
>
> Participants were encouraged to discuss their favourite sex acts and
> positions as part of a £242,000 study.
>
> The initiative, financed by the Big Lottery Fund, was aimed at
> exploring young women's attitudes to safe sex.
>
> But the project has come under fire for involving girls up to four
> years below the legal age of consent.
>
> Campaigners hit out at "crude" exercises which involved asking
> participants to create posters describing "What I do and don't like
> about sex".
>
> They also questioned the use of National