http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770

Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.

In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
same-sex parents.

Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
love with one of their brothers.

In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
ceremony with the pupils.

Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
relationships.

The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.

It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
last month.

The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
learn about such issues.

Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
that actually don't need to be there.

"Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
if they appear to be understanding they may not be.

"This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
have no choice when schools decide to do these things.

"If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."

Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
education at London's Institute of Education today.

The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
with Exeter University and the institute.

It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
South-West, London and the Midlands.

Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
threats to this safety zone."

But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.

Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.

Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
fall in love at a New York zoo.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:10 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid>, wrote 

>Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

The bit about the fairy tails is particularly instructive.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:10 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid>, wrote 

>Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

The bit about the fairy tails is particularly instructive.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>
> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>
> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>
> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
> same-sex parents.
>
> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
> love with one of their brothers.
>
> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
> ceremony with the pupils.
>
> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
> relationships.
>
> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>
> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
> last month.
>
> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
> learn about such issues.
>
> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
> that actually don't need to be there.
>
> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>
> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>
> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>
> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>
> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
> with Exeter University and the institute.
>
> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>
> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
> threats to this safety zone."
>
> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>
> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>
> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
> fall in love at a New York zoo.


So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?

or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
relationships?

would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
wedding? If so, why?
If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:10 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid>, wrote 

>Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

The bit about the fairy tails is particularly instructive.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>
> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>
> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>
> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
> same-sex parents.
>
> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
> love with one of their brothers.
>
> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
> ceremony with the pupils.
>
> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
> relationships.
>
> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>
> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
> last month.
>
> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
> learn about such issues.
>
> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
> that actually don't need to be there.
>
> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>
> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>
> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>
> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>
> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
> with Exeter University and the institute.
>
> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>
> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
> threats to this safety zone."
>
> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>
> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>
> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
> fall in love at a New York zoo.


So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?

or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
relationships?

would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
wedding? If so, why?
If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:UZKdnZTnYP-OtMjbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
> So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
> either?
>
> or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
> relationships?
>
> would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
> wedding? If so, why?
> If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?
>
if i remember correctly, was there some uproar a while ago about noddy being 
gay, if i am right why involve children in lessons that seem to make turd 
burgling ok now

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:10 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid>, wrote 

>Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

The bit about the fairy tails is particularly instructive.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>
> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>
> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>
> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
> same-sex parents.
>
> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
> love with one of their brothers.
>
> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
> ceremony with the pupils.
>
> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
> relationships.
>
> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>
> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
> last month.
>
> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
> learn about such issues.
>
> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
> that actually don't need to be there.
>
> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>
> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>
> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>
> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>
> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
> with Exeter University and the institute.
>
> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>
> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
> threats to this safety zone."
>
> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>
> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>
> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
> fall in love at a New York zoo.


So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?

or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
relationships?

would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
wedding? If so, why?
If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:UZKdnZTnYP-OtMjbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
> So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
> either?
>
> or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
> relationships?
>
> would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
> wedding? If so, why?
> If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?
>
if i remember correctly, was there some uproar a while ago about noddy being 
gay, if i am right why involve children in lessons that seem to make turd 
burgling ok now

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:UZKdnZTnYP-OtMjbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
> So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
> either?
>
> or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
> relationships?
>
> would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
> wedding? If so, why?
> If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?
>
Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases 
where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm 
from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
So there we actually have it!
Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these 
islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships 
having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about the 
dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-))

On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:56:35 +0100, "Andrew McGee"
 wrote:

>
>"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
>So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?
>
>or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
>relationships?
>

See JB's reply.
But also, we already teach children about anal sex - what we are not
teaching is that the risk of HIV is much higher that way.
A student health web site responds to the question of what dangers are
involved in anal sex by simply saying she might get a lax ring muscle.
I'd guess that you might not care about that if you are six foot
under, but this is Britain where teaching negative things about
precious subjects is a no-no.
It also says you should use plenty of lubrication, but doesn't mention
that oil-based lubricants can break condoms, assuming they have
bothered with condoms or lubrication in the first place, which they
probably haven't.

Madness.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:08 GMT, "jb" 
wrote:

>Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
>Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
>ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases 
>where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm 
>from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
>So there we actually have it!
>Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these 
>islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
>Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships 
>having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
>Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about the 
>dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-)) 

mock thee not.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275035,00.html
"The shark was born in a tank with three potential mothers, none of
whom had contact with a male hammerhead for at least three years."

and that was what mary said!

are you claiming a billion christianists could be wrong?

regards....

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"Maria"  wrote in message 
news:81oa535lrb98vc482jje7tgj7qqalcodt7@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:56:35 +0100, "Andrew McGee"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>>
>>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>>
>>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>>> same-sex parents.
>>>
>>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>>> love with one of their brothers.
>>>
>>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>>
>>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>>> relationships.
>>>
>>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>>
>>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>>> last month.
>>>
>>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>>> learn about such issues.
>>>
>>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>>
>>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>>
>>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>>
>>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>>
>>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>>
>>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>>
>>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>>
>>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>>> threats to this safety zone."
>>>
>>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>>
>>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>>
>>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>>
>>
>>So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
>>either?
>>
>>or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex
>>relationships?
>>
>
> See JB's reply.
> But also, we already teach children about anal sex - what we are not
> teaching is that the risk of HIV is much higher that way.
> A student health web site responds to the question of what dangers are
> involved in anal sex by simply saying she might get a lax ring muscle.
> I'd guess that you might not care about that if you are six foot
> under, but this is Britain where teaching negative things about
> precious subjects is a no-no.
> It also says you should use plenty of lubrication, but doesn't mention
> that oil-based lubricants can break condoms, assuming they have
> bothered with condoms or lubrication in the first place, which they
> probably haven't.
>
> Madness.

The walls of the vagina are tough and fibrous and are called the 
puboococcsygeus <sp> muscle.
The walls of the anus are sheet muscle and susceptible to ripping or 
tearing.
As a quite significant number of non practicing homosexuals can testify to, 
if only they could overcome their shyness in this matter.
Fissure in the anal wall can be caused by many things one of which is 
surprisingly, bran!
Yep, the all singing all dancing bran can cause painful fissures in the wall 
lining of the anal canal in some people, whilst vigorous penetration of the 
anus by an erect penis can also cause ruptures.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:56:17 GMT, "jb" 
wrote:

>whilst vigorous penetration of the 
>anus by an erect penis can also cause ruptures. 

1)how vigorously?
2)fuck me gently

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"abelard"  wrote in message 
news:e5ra53tp44shaq30jdf8l5oteabop2u6f0@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:08 GMT, "jb" 
> wrote:
>
>>Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
>>Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
>>ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases
>>where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm
>>from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
>>So there we actually have it!
>>Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these
>>islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
>>Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships
>>having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
>>Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about 
>>the
>>dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-))
>
> mock thee not.....
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275035,00.html
> "The shark was born in a tank with three potential mothers, none of
> whom had contact with a male hammerhead for at least three years."

And your point would be?
>
> and that was what mary said!
>
> are you claiming a billion christianists could be wrong?

Out of the untold trillions of people born into this world over the millenia 
I would expect there to be even more "virgin" births than have so far 
surfaced.
However there has of yet been no confirmed instances of men giving birth, 
yourself of course being excluded:-))

On Thu, 24 May 2007 11:08:55 GMT, "jb" 
wrote:

>
>"abelard"  wrote in message 
>news:e5ra53tp44shaq30jdf8l5oteabop2u6f0@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:08 GMT, "jb" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
>>>Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
>>>ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases
>>>where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm
>>>from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
>>>So there we actually have it!
>>>Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these
>>>islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
>>>Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships
>>>having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
>>>Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about 
>>>the
>>>dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-))
>>
>> mock thee not.....
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275035,00.html
>> "The shark was born in a tank with three potential mothers, none of
>> whom had contact with a male hammerhead for at least three years."
>
>And your point would be?
>>
>> and that was what mary said!
>>
>> are you claiming a billion christianists could be wrong?
>
>Out of the untold trillions of people born into this world over the millenia 
>I would expect there to be even more "virgin" births than have so far 
>surfaced.
>However there has of yet been no confirmed instances of men giving birth, 

there've been cases of them getting pregnant.....
usually after being born with an implanted 'friend'

>yourself of course being excluded:-)) 

those were miracles

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"abelard"  wrote in message 
news:9dsa53l087b0kra1ofsg20034vdrfnhqrg@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:56:17 GMT, "jb" 
> wrote:
>
>>whilst vigorous penetration of the
>>anus by an erect penis can also cause ruptures.
>
> 1)how vigorously?

You really want to know?

> 2)fuck me gently

I could and would only do that if you were a real female.
Buggery will never be fucking:-))
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> energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:10 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid>, wrote 

>Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

The bit about the fairy tails is particularly instructive.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>
> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>
> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>
> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
> same-sex parents.
>
> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
> love with one of their brothers.
>
> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
> ceremony with the pupils.
>
> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
> relationships.
>
> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>
> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
> last month.
>
> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
> learn about such issues.
>
> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
> that actually don't need to be there.
>
> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>
> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>
> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>
> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>
> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
> with Exeter University and the institute.
>
> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>
> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
> threats to this safety zone."
>
> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>
> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>
> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
> fall in love at a New York zoo.


So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?

or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
relationships?

would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
wedding? If so, why?
If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:UZKdnZTnYP-OtMjbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
> So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
> either?
>
> or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
> relationships?
>
> would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
> wedding? If so, why?
> If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?
>
if i remember correctly, was there some uproar a while ago about noddy being 
gay, if i am right why involve children in lessons that seem to make turd 
burgling ok now

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:UZKdnZTnYP-OtMjbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
> So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
> either?
>
> or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
> relationships?
>
> would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
> wedding? If so, why?
> If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?
>
Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases 
where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm 
from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
So there we actually have it!
Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these 
islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships 
having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about the 
dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-))

On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:56:35 +0100, "Andrew McGee"
 wrote:

>
>"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
>So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?
>
>or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
>relationships?
>

See JB's reply.
But also, we already teach children about anal sex - what we are not
teaching is that the risk of HIV is much higher that way.
A student health web site responds to the question of what dangers are
involved in anal sex by simply saying she might get a lax ring muscle.
I'd guess that you might not care about that if you are six foot
under, but this is Britain where teaching negative things about
precious subjects is a no-no.
It also says you should use plenty of lubrication, but doesn't mention
that oil-based lubricants can break condoms, assuming they have
bothered with condoms or lubrication in the first place, which they
probably haven't.

Madness.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:08 GMT, "jb" 
wrote:

>Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
>Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
>ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases 
>where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm 
>from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
>So there we actually have it!
>Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these 
>islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
>Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships 
>having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
>Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about the 
>dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-)) 

mock thee not.....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275035,00.html
"The shark was born in a tank with three potential mothers, none of
whom had contact with a male hammerhead for at least three years."

and that was what mary said!

are you claiming a billion christianists could be wrong?

regards....

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"Maria"  wrote in message 
news:81oa535lrb98vc482jje7tgj7qqalcodt7@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:56:35 +0100, "Andrew McGee"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>>
>>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>>
>>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>>
>>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>>> same-sex parents.
>>>
>>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>>> love with one of their brothers.
>>>
>>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>>
>>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>>> relationships.
>>>
>>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>>
>>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>>> last month.
>>>
>>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>>> learn about such issues.
>>>
>>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>>
>>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>>
>>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>>
>>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>>
>>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>>
>>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>>
>>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>>
>>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>>> threats to this safety zone."
>>>
>>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>>
>>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>>
>>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>>
>>
>>So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
>>either?
>>
>>or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex
>>relationships?
>>
>
> See JB's reply.
> But also, we already teach children about anal sex - what we are not
> teaching is that the risk of HIV is much higher that way.
> A student health web site responds to the question of what dangers are
> involved in anal sex by simply saying she might get a lax ring muscle.
> I'd guess that you might not care about that if you are six foot
> under, but this is Britain where teaching negative things about
> precious subjects is a no-no.
> It also says you should use plenty of lubrication, but doesn't mention
> that oil-based lubricants can break condoms, assuming they have
> bothered with condoms or lubrication in the first place, which they
> probably haven't.
>
> Madness.

The walls of the vagina are tough and fibrous and are called the 
puboococcsygeus <sp> muscle.
The walls of the anus are sheet muscle and susceptible to ripping or 
tearing.
As a quite significant number of non practicing homosexuals can testify to, 
if only they could overcome their shyness in this matter.
Fissure in the anal wall can be caused by many things one of which is 
surprisingly, bran!
Yep, the all singing all dancing bran can cause painful fissures in the wall 
lining of the anal canal in some people, whilst vigorous penetration of the 
anus by an erect penis can also cause ruptures.

On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:56:17 GMT, "jb" 
wrote:

>whilst vigorous penetration of the 
>anus by an erect penis can also cause ruptures. 

1)how vigorously?
2)fuck me gently

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"abelard"  wrote in message 
news:e5ra53tp44shaq30jdf8l5oteabop2u6f0@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:08 GMT, "jb" 
> wrote:
>
>>Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
>>Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
>>ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases
>>where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm
>>from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
>>So there we actually have it!
>>Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these
>>islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
>>Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships
>>having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
>>Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about 
>>the
>>dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-))
>
> mock thee not.....
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275035,00.html
> "The shark was born in a tank with three potential mothers, none of
> whom had contact with a male hammerhead for at least three years."

And your point would be?
>
> and that was what mary said!
>
> are you claiming a billion christianists could be wrong?

Out of the untold trillions of people born into this world over the millenia 
I would expect there to be even more "virgin" births than have so far 
surfaced.
However there has of yet been no confirmed instances of men giving birth, 
yourself of course being excluded:-))

On Thu, 24 May 2007 11:08:55 GMT, "jb" 
wrote:

>
>"abelard"  wrote in message 
>news:e5ra53tp44shaq30jdf8l5oteabop2u6f0@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:08 GMT, "jb" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Thankfully same sex relationships are few and far between.
>>>Generally the population tends to adopt opposite sex relationships.
>>>ALL children are born from opposite sex relationships, even in those cases
>>>where homosexual males have provided sperm to a surrogate mother or sperm
>>>from a donor is turkey basted into a lesbian.
>>>So there we actually have it!
>>>Same sex relationships are amongst sixty million inhabitants of these
>>>islands extremely rare, much like lottery winners:-))
>>>Amongst those rare relationships, the incidences of same sex relationships
>>>having children is excrutiatingly rarer.
>>>Teaching children about gay relationships is akin to teaching them about 
>>>the
>>>dark side of the Moon or how to grow rhubarb using rocking horse shit:-))
>>
>> mock thee not.....
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275035,00.html
>> "The shark was born in a tank with three potential mothers, none of
>> whom had contact with a male hammerhead for at least three years."
>
>And your point would be?
>>
>> and that was what mary said!
>>
>> are you claiming a billion christianists could be wrong?
>
>Out of the untold trillions of people born into this world over the millenia 
>I would expect there to be even more "virgin" births than have so far 
>surfaced.
>However there has of yet been no confirmed instances of men giving birth, 

there've been cases of them getting pregnant.....
usually after being born with an implanted 'friend'

>yourself of course being excluded:-)) 

those were miracles

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"abelard"  wrote in message 
news:9dsa53l087b0kra1ofsg20034vdrfnhqrg@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 10:56:17 GMT, "jb" 
> wrote:
>
>>whilst vigorous penetration of the
>>anus by an erect penis can also cause ruptures.
>
> 1)how vigorously?

You really want to know?

> 2)fuck me gently

I could and would only do that if you were a real female.
Buggery will never be fucking:-))
> web site at www.abelard.org - news comment service, logic, economics
> energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>  good people do nothing     []   trust actions not words
>                    only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:15:10 +0100,  in uk.politics.misc Steve Greene
<stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid>, wrote 

>Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.

The bit about the fairy tails is particularly instructive.

"Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>
> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>
> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>
> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
> same-sex parents.
>
> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
> love with one of their brothers.
>
> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
> ceremony with the pupils.
>
> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
> relationships.
>
> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>
> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
> last month.
>
> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
> learn about such issues.
>
> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
> that actually don't need to be there.
>
> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>
> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>
> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>
> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>
> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
> with Exeter University and the institute.
>
> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>
> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
> threats to this safety zone."
>
> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>
> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>
> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
> fall in love at a New York zoo.


So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships either?

or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
relationships?

would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
wedding? If so, why?
If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
news:UZKdnZTnYP-OtMjbnZ2dnUVZ8vydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay and lesbian
>> relationships.
>>
>> The research team behind the project intends to post the findings on
>> national websites to help all schools adopt the same techniques.
>>
>> It claims that introducing such books and activities will help schools
>> fulfil their duties under new gay rights laws which came into force
>> last month.
>>
>> The researchers say pupils must be taught about same-sex relationships
>> from an early age to combat playground bullying of gay pupils. But
>> parents' leaders warned that primary school children were too young to
>> learn about such issues.
>>
>> Margaret Morrissey, spokesman for the National Confederation of Parent
>> Teacher Associations, said: "We are putting issues on young shoulders
>> that actually don't need to be there.
>>
>> "Is this really necessary or appropriate for such young children? Even
>> if they appear to be understanding they may not be.
>>
>> "This may be OK in the later years of secondary school but to try to
>> deal with this in primary is really not on. The concern is parents
>> have no choice when schools decide to do these things.
>>
>> "If a school does decide to do this, it is absolutely essential it is
>> done with the knowledge and agreement of all parents."
>>
>> Details of the initiative will spelled out at a conference on sex
>> education at London's Institute of Education today.
>>
>> The No Outsiders project, which has received funding from the Economic
>> and Social Research Council, is run by Sunderland University jointly
>> with Exeter University and the institute.
>>
>> It has been launched in 14 schools across the North-East, the
>> South-West, London and the Midlands.
>>
>> Dr Elizabeth Atkinson, reader in social and educational inquiry at
>> Sunderland University, said: "The primary school is often thought of
>> as a place of safety and innocence - and attempts to address what are
>> seen as 'adult' issues are sometimes-seen as intrusions into or
>> threats to this safety zone."
>>
>> But she said such attitudes led to pupils viewing homosexuality as
>> 'taboo' and bred homophobic bullying.
>>
>> Books used in the project include Spacegirl Pukes, whose main
>> character has two mothers, mummy Loula and mummy Neenee.
>>
>> Another, called And Tango Makes Three, features two male penguins who
>> fall in love at a New York zoo.
>
>
> So presumably they cannot be taught about male-female relationships 
> either?
>
> or is there something particularly difficult or upsetting about single-sex 
> relationships?
>
> would it be unacceptable for a teaching to tell the class about his/her 
> wedding? If so, why?
> If not, why is the civil partnership ceremony any more problematic?
>
if i remember correctly, was there some uproar a while ago about noddy being 
gay, if i am right why involve children in lessons that seem to make turd 
burgling ok now

"Andrew McGee"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Steve Greene" <stephen_greene@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:99t953t0o7slq954qmrflkh2f964p916t1@4ax.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=457047&in_page_id=1770
>>
>> Children as young as four are being taught about same-sex
>> relationships using puppets, plays and fairy tales in a
>> Government-funded scheme, it emerged yesterday.
>>
>> Pupils are being invited to act the parts of gay characters during
>> after-school arts clubs as well as in some literacy and drama lessons.
>>
>> In one primary school, youngsters put on puppet shows of the
>> Cinderella story featuring male Cinderellas. Other primaries are
>> inviting in touring theatre companies which stage plays featuring
>> same-sex parents.
>>
>> Books being introduced to lessons include King & King, a fairy tale
>> featuring a prince who turns down three princesses before falling in
>> love with one of their brothers.
>>
>> In another primary school, a teacher discussed his civil partnership
>> ceremony with the pupils.
>>
>> Fourteen primary schools are already taking part in the £600,000
>> project aimed at familiarising children with gay an