Myreader.co.uk  
uk news, chat and community
   home   |   control panel login   |   archive   |  
 
local
ayrshire
bath
bedfordshire
birmingham
borders-region
bristol
channel-isles
cheshire
cornwall
county-durham
cumbria
derbyshire
devon
east-anglia
essx
geordie
glasgow
hampshire
herefordshire
hertfordshire
isle-of-wight
kent
lincolnshire
london
london.info
lothians
merseyside
midlands
north-staffs
north-wales
nw-england
peterborough
scot-highlands
shropshire
somerset
south-wales
southwest
southwest.adverts
surrey
teesside
thames-valley
warwickshire
west-wales
yorkshire
yorkshire.noticeboard
  
 
date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:42:45 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.local.north-wales        back       
Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-who-criticised-police-842499.html

quote:

"Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""


The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
falling for their illusions.
date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:42:45 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-who-criticised-police-842499.html
>
> quote:
>
> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
> mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
> of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
> child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
> racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
> yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""
>
>
> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
> as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
> and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
> the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
> falling for their illusions.

Not sure I'd agree with your hyperbolic language, but I do wonder if a 
magistrate who praised the police would also be dismissed for potential 
bias.
date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:33:10 +0100   author:   Steve Walker

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
news:14502946-dad5-4a1c-acea-ea87a11de3f1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: 

> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-wh
> o-criticised-police-842499.html 
> 
> quote:
> 
> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
> mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
> of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
> child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
> racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
> yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""
> 
> 
> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
> as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
> and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
> the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
> falling for their illusions.

Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police officer to 
escort them around their school ... ffs

-- 
Regards or otherwise,

Periander
date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:46:48 GMT   author:   Periander

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
"Periander"  wrote in message 
news:Xns9AB7E7BACF151ulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253...
> grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
> news:14502946-dad5-4a1c-acea-ea87a11de3f1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-wh
>> o-criticised-police-842499.html
>>
>> quote:
>>
>> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
>> mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
>> of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
>> child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
>> racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
>> yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""
>>
>>
>> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
>> as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
>> and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
>> the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
>> falling for their illusions.
>
> Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police officer to
> escort them around their school ... ffs
>
> -- 
> Regards or otherwise,
>
> Periander

I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack other 
children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,
date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:14:14 +0100   author:   Richard Bird

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Jun 9, 9:14 am, "Richard Bird" 
wrote:
> "Periander"  wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9AB7E7BACF151ulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253...
>
>
>
> > grimus...@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
> >news:14502946-dad5-4a1c-acea-ea87a11de3f1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-wh
> >> o-criticised-police-842499.html
>
> >> quote:
>
> >> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
> >> mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
> >> of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
> >> child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
> >> racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
> >> yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""
>
> >> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
> >> as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
> >> and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
> >> the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
> >> falling for their illusions.
>
> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police officer to
> > escort them around their school ... ffs
>
> > --
> > Regards or otherwise,
>
> > Periander
>
> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack other
> children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,

Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
under threat, and in fact was attacked.

You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed this to
occur.
date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:21:44 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:21:44 -0700 (PDT), grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>On Jun 9, 9:14 am, "Richard Bird" 
>wrote:
>> "Periander"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:Xns9AB7E7BACF151ulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253...
>>
>>
>>
>> > grimus...@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
>> >news:14502946-dad5-4a1c-acea-ea87a11de3f1@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-wh
>> >> o-criticised-police-842499.html
>>
>> >> quote:
>>
>> >> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
>> >> mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
>> >> of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
>> >> child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
>> >> racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
>> >> yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""
>>
>> >> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
>> >> as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
>> >> and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
>> >> the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
>> >> falling for their illusions.
>>
>> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police officer to
>> > escort them around their school ... ffs
>>
>> > --
>> > Regards or otherwise,
>>
>> > Periander
>>
>> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack other
>> children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,
>
>Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
>under threat, and in fact was attacked.
>
>You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed this to
>occur.

His existence is one of the reasons why David Davis has just resigned
as MP. All part of the problem, not the solution.

MM
date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:44:16 +0100   author:   MM

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
MM  wrote in
news:nf6254pl5hdk0lcf9opg0vpgls62thr2ef@4ax.com: 

> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:21:44 -0700 (PDT), grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> 
>>On Jun 9, 9:14 am, "Richard Bird" 
>>wrote:
>>> "Periander"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:Xns9AB7E7BACF151ulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > grimus...@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
>>> >news:14502946-dad5-4a1c-acea-ea87a11de3f1
@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.c
>>> >om: 
>>>
>>> >>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-
magistrat
>>> >>e-wh 
>>> >> o-criticised-police-842499.html
>>>
>>> >> quote:
>>>
>>> >> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting
>>> >> as a mother who had good reason to be both furious and to
>>> >> question the lack of competence and ethics that were being
>>> >> displayed. Not only was my child terrified for her safety, this
>>> >> campaign of terror was based on racism, mainly her Welsh accent,
>>> >> and possibly her Romany background, yet the police were not doing
>>> >> enough to support her."" 
>>>
>>> >> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently
>>> >> behave as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but
>>> >> magistrates and judges need to be much much more aware and
>>> >> intellegent regarding the lies and nazi games and actions of this
>>> >> organistation, and to stop falling for their illusions.
>>>
>>> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police
>>> > officer to escort them around their school ... ffs
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > Regards or otherwise,
>>>
>>> > Periander
>>>
>>> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack
>>> other children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,
>>
>>Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
>>under threat, and in fact was attacked.
>>
>>You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed this to
>>occur.
> 
> His existence is one of the reasons why David Davis has just resigned
> as MP. All part of the problem, not the solution.

Really, what makes you think that? If you'd care to put your prejudices 
to one side for a moment and consider what I actually say rather than 
the way I say it you might be pleasently surprised that I probably one 
of the most liberal folks who attend this NG. Still where would the fun 
lie in that?

-- 

Regards,

Periander
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:14:25 GMT   author:   Periander

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
news:eeec0c1c-0d3f-45be-93f5-d6ff32138776@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: 

....
>>
>> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police
>> > officer to escort them around their school ... ffs
>>
>> > --
>> > Regards or otherwise,
>>
>> > Periander
>>
>> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack
>> other children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,
> 
> Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
> under threat, and in fact was attacked.
> 
> You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed this to
> occur.

So who's fuck-witted sock puppet are you then? How many children *aren't* 
threatened by their peers at some stage or another during their school 
life?

-- 

Regards or otherwise,

Periander
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:16:36 GMT   author:   Periander

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Jun 13, 10:16 am, Periander  wrote:

> So who's fuck-witted sock puppet are you then? How many children *aren't*
> threatened by their peers at some stage or another during their school
> life?

As Ive said before and will no doubt say again, Periander is an
absolute shit, hes abully of the worst type, not only will he resort
to foul language, he will make sure that folk know about his type of
job, how close he is to authority plod, judicary magistraes and judges
and the little man actually thinks hes being helpful.

In reality of course hes thought of by his peers as a clown
date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:24:47 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Jun 13, 1:16 am, Periander  wrote:
> grimus...@yahoo.co.uk wrote innews:eeec0c1c-0d3f-45be-93f5-d6ff32138776@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> ....
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police
> >> > officer to escort them around their school ... ffs
>
> >> > --
> >> > Regards or otherwise,
>
> >> > Periander
>
> >> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack
> >> other children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,
>
> > Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
> > under threat, and in fact was attacked.
>
> > You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed this to
> > occur.
>
> So who's fuck-witted sock puppet are you then? How many children *aren't*
> threatened by their peers at some stage or another during their school
> life?
>
> --
>
> Regards or otherwise,
>
> Periander

There is obviously something more than what you describe going on -
you refuse to see that, in fact you contribute to it...you collaborate
with the 'game' of the bully by saying it doesn't exist - violence
often being 90% pyscological...i.e. fascist head games. The situation
with Roma Travellers is kafkeresque, as in a KKK in the Southern USA
in the 1950's like level of harrasment and abuse. You complain.
Nothing is done. People smile. "Its just a game". Societies scapegoats
for societies illusions. I have some idea of this matter having lived
with the 'peace convoy' in the past, and this being on the police
intellegence record, and they play these sort of fascist games all the
time...doing totally out of order stuff, that the mainstream will not
acknoledge: and in fact people need to break out of mainstream
consciousness in order to be able to feel it for real. Which basically
means shut the fuck up and have some respect for this awareness!
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:18:10 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Periander  wrote in
news:Xns9ABCCF9494C0ulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253: 

> grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
> news:eeec0c1c-0d3f-45be-93f5-d6ff32138776@
34g2000hsf.googlegroups.c
> om: 
> 
> ....
>>>
>>> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal
>>> > police officer to escort them around their school ... ffs
>>>
>>> > --
>>> > Regards or otherwise,
>>>
>>> > Periander
>>>
>>> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or
>>> attack other children or teachers as seams to be the norm
>>> nowadays, 
>> 
>> Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
>> under threat, and in fact was attacked.
>> 
>> You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed
>> this to occur.
> 
> So who's fuck-witted sock puppet are you then? How many children
> *aren't* threatened by their peers at some stage or another during
> their school life?
> 

No-one ever threatened me after primary school (where violence was 
without exception mild and harmless wrestling) except facetiously.  
If they had, then I would have demanded some authority deal with 
them.  Why should children have to put up with threats of physical 
violence which would be criminal among adults?  It may be how some 
people live, perhaps that's why there is so much violence and crime 
among adults.  After half a million years of human evolution I have 
no wish to stand up for myself by fighting when a gorilla can do it 
much better.  Proper training and equipment are given to those who 
are paid to prevent criminal violence (they I certainly accept they 
also need physical courage which I prefer not to need).  If schools 
can't or won't control bullying (and they don't because of a. 
attitudes such as those you have expressed and b. cowardice) then 
the police should.  This is more important than chasing shop lifters 
to name  but one issue that the police do seem to regard as their 
job.


-- 
Percy Picacity
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:41:15 +0000 (UTC)   author:   Percy Picacity lid

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
news:d12e51ea-3e9f-49a5-9671-dfe7ddbd7777@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com: 

> On Jun 13, 1:16 am, Periander  wrote:
>> grimus...@yahoo.co.uk wrote
>> innews:eeec0c1c-0d3f-45be-93f5-d6ff32138776@
34g2000hsf.googlegroups.co
>> m: 
>>
>> ....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> > Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal police
>> >> > officer to escort them around their school ... ffs
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards or otherwise,
>>
>> >> > Periander
>>
>> >> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or attack
>> >> other children or teachers as seams to be the norm nowadays,
>>
>> > Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
>> > under threat, and in fact was attacked.
>>
>> > You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed this
>> > to occur.
>>
>> So who's fuck-witted sock puppet are you then? How many children
>> *aren't* threatened by their peers at some stage or another during
>> their school life?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards or otherwise,
>>
>> Periander
> 
> There is obviously something more than what you describe going on -
> you refuse to see that, in fact you contribute to it...you collaborate
> with the 'game' of the bully by saying it doesn't exist - violence
> often being 90% pyscological...i.e. fascist head games. The situation
> with Roma Travellers is kafkeresque, as in a KKK in the Southern USA
> in the 1950's like level of harrasment and abuse. You complain.
> Nothing is done. People smile. "Its just a game". Societies scapegoats
> for societies illusions. I have some idea of this matter having lived
> with the 'peace convoy' in the past, and this being on the police
> intellegence record, and they play these sort of fascist games all the
> time...doing totally out of order stuff, that the mainstream will not
> acknoledge: and in fact people need to break out of mainstream
> consciousness in order to be able to feel it for real. Which basically
> means shut the fuck up and have some respect for this awareness!
> 

See your doctor, you can get tablets for it nowadays.

-- 
Regards or otherwise,

Periander
date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:44:40 GMT   author:   Periander

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Percy Picacity wrote:
> Periander  wrote in
> news:Xns9ABCCF9494C0ulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253:
>
>> grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote in
>> news:eeec0c1c-0d3f-45be-93f5-d6ff32138776@
>> 34g2000hsf.googlegroups.c om:
>>
>> ....
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely, it is every child's right to have a personal
>>>>> police officer to escort them around their school ... ffs
>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards or otherwise,
>>>>
>>>>> Periander
>>>>
>>>> I assume to make sure that they do not cause any damage or
>>>> attack other children or teachers as seams to be the norm
>>>> nowadays,
>>>
>>> Periander is being a nasty sarcastic bastard Richard. The kid was
>>> under threat, and in fact was attacked.
>>>
>>> You, Periender, are merely reflecting the racism that allowed
>>> this to occur.
>>
>> So who's fuck-witted sock puppet are you then? How many children
>> *aren't* threatened by their peers at some stage or another during
>> their school life?
>>
>
> No-one ever threatened me after primary school (where violence was
> without exception mild and harmless wrestling) except facetiously.
> If they had, then I would have demanded some authority deal with
> them.  Why should children have to put up with threats of physical
> violence which would be criminal among adults?  It may be how some
> people live, perhaps that's why there is so much violence and crime
> among adults.  After half a million years of human evolution I have
> no wish to stand up for myself by fighting when a gorilla can do it
> much better.  Proper training and equipment are given to those who
> are paid to prevent criminal violence (they I certainly accept they
> also need physical courage which I prefer not to need).  If schools
> can't or won't control bullying (and they don't because of a.
> attitudes such as those you have expressed and b. cowardice) then
> the police should.  This is more important than chasing shop lifters
> to name  but one issue that the police do seem to regard as their
> job.

That's passing the buck, it should start in the home.  Nothing can or will 
happen unless parents start taking responsibility for the fruit of their 
loins.  Now if paents actually did parenting instead of just sticking them 
in front of the idiot box, letting them watch whatever they like, indeed 
many supplying them a unfiltered TV feed to their bedrooms, allowing all 
types of corrupt & bad influences affect their childrens thinking things 
would be different.  Allowing the bobby to give a clip around the ear 
without the threat of assualt etc all comes afterwards as children would 
respect authority figures, instead they just stick 2 fingers up at anybody 
not agreeing with their wants.

Kids running riot in the streets because they've got nothing else to do, in 
my day we made things for us to do not relying on spoon feeding from some un 
named source which they don't want to accept or look up to.

Sorry it all starts & finishes in the home, if it's not there then anywhere 
else will surely fail until it's to late.
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:45:36 +0100   author:   kraftee kraftee@b&e-cottee.me.uk

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
kraftee wrote:

> Sorry it all starts & finishes in the home, if it's not there then anywhere 
> else will surely fail until it's to late. 

I quite agree with you. Something else you failed to mention is parents 
shoving their kids into day care as fast as possible.

Ken Down

-- 
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
|      Australia's premier archaeological magazine     |
|            http://www.diggingsonline.com             |
========================================================
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:16:09 +0100   author:   Kendall Down

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
"Steve Walker"  wrote in message 
news:6b2tvrF39gdl5U1@mid.individual.net...
> grimus107@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/straw-sacks-magistrate-who-criticised-police-842499.html
>>
>> quote:
>>
>> "Ms Clipson said she feels let down by the system. "I was acting as a
>> mother who had good reason to be both furious and to question the lack
>> of competence and ethics that were being displayed. Not only was my
>> child terrified for her safety, this campaign of terror was based on
>> racism, mainly her Welsh accent, and possibly her Romany background,
>> yet the police were not doing enough to support her.""
>>
>>
>> The police need to be critisised more because they frequently behave
>> as official BNP basically, in fact not just critisied, but magistrates
>> and judges need to be much much more aware and intellegent regarding
>> the lies and nazi games and actions of this organistation, and to stop
>> falling for their illusions.
>
> Not sure I'd agree with your hyperbolic language, but I do wonder if a 
> magistrate who praised the police would also be dismissed for potential 
> bias.

I would expect a magistrate to know what to do if her child is being 
threatened at school. That might involve commencing criminal proceedings 
against those who are threatening her child.  It shouldn't involve saying 
"I'm a magistrate so I expect some police action here".
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:04:29 +0100   author:   The Todal

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Jun 16, 6:04 pm, "The Todal"  wrote:
> I would expect a magistrate to know what to do if her child is being
> threatened at school. That might involve commencing criminal proceedings
> against those who are threatening her child.  It shouldn't involve saying
> "I'm a magistrate so I expect some police action here

By the same token, I might expect an highly educated shit like you to
know what to do when you experience the occassional put down by many
in this group. It should not involved saying Im a moderator of UKLM
and I will blackball or prevent and let folk on UKL know that the guy
who showed you being an arse hole on UKL cant publish on UKLM
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:19:29 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Kendall Down  wrote in
news:K8idnYEyorymjsvVnZ2dnUVZ8uKdnZ2d@pipex.net: 

> kraftee wrote:
> 
>> Sorry it all starts & finishes in the home, if it's not there
>> then anywhere else will surely fail until it's to late. 
> 
> I quite agree with you. Something else you failed to mention is
> parents shoving their kids into day care as fast as possible.
> 
> Ken Down
> 

I think you have both missed the point.  Despite all the talk of 
bullies being "victims" or "cowards", many grow up as well-adjusted 
successful members of society (business owners, police, senior managers 
etc) and have been socialised from an early age by careful and 
successful parents to believe that violence and intimidation are the 
best way to get what you want.  Indeed, this is probably true of 
society generally, and the only difference is that in school violence 
is permissible (character building, etc, see Periander's posts) but in 
adult life more subtle intimidation is preferred.

-- 
Percy Picacity
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:29:22 +0000 (UTC)   author:   Percy Picacity lid

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Percy Picacity wrote:

> I think you have both missed the point.  Despite all the talk of 
> bullies being "victims" or "cowards", many grow up as well-adjusted 
> successful members of society (business owners, police, senior managers 
> etc) and have been socialised from an early age by careful and 
> successful parents to believe that violence and intimidation are the 
> best way to get what you want.  Indeed, this is probably true of 
> society generally, and the only difference is that in school violence 
> is permissible (character building, etc, see Periander's posts) but in 
> adult life more subtle intimidation is preferred.

What you say is true and regretable. Having parents who bring you up is 
not the whole answer to all problems: one needs *good* parents.

That is one thing to be said for the old custom of church attendance. It 
can be no bad thing for everyone to meet once a week to hear an 
exhortation to good behaviour, particularly as everyone nods and agrees 
that it is a Good Thing. Sure, I know that many church attenders are 
hypocrites, but that doesn't detract from my point.

Today we just get television endlessly impressing young people that 
money is everything, sex is all that counts, trample on others to get to 
the top and never tell the truth unless you have to. Then we are 
surprised when young people show that they have learned the lesson all 
too well.

Ken Down

-- 
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
|      Australia's premier archaeological magazine     |
|            http://www.diggingsonline.com             |
========================================================
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:25:19 +0100   author:   Kendall Down

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Percy Picacity <key@under.the.invalid> wrote in 
news:Xns9ABF7F10CEA07perspicacity@208.90.168.18:

> 
> I think you have both missed the point.  Despite all the talk of 
> bullies being "victims" or "cowards", many grow up as well-adjusted 
> successful members of society

So going back a post or two, getting the police involved in every 
playground spat is not a good way forward - as I suggested?

-- 

Regards,

Periander
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:50:58 GMT   author:   Periander

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Periander  wrote in 
news:Xns9ABFD41689E1Aulmbritwarcouk@69.16.176.253:

> Percy Picacity <key@under.the.invalid> wrote in 
> news:Xns9ABF7F10CEA07perspicacity@208.90.168.18:
> 
>> 
>> I think you have both missed the point.  Despite all the talk of 
>> bullies being "victims" or "cowards", many grow up as well-adjusted 
>> successful members of society
> 
> So going back a post or two, getting the police involved in every 
> playground spat is not a good way forward - as I suggested?
> 
Yes it is, I want these well-adjusted successful bullies jailed at an 
early stage in their careers!   However, seriously though, the gang 
that beat the child in question had caused her actual bodily harm 
before, and made a credible (and later carried out) threat to do so 
again, even if we accept "beaten unconscious" may, or may not, be an 
exaggeration.  If this is not a matter for the police, what is?  Don't 
tell me, stealing a Mars bar from Woolworths perhaps?


-- 
Percy Picacity
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:41:51 +0000 (UTC)   author:   Percy Picacity lid

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:19:29 -0700 (PDT), jmoombassa@gmail.com wrote:

>On Jun 16, 6:04 pm, "The Todal"  wrote:
>> I would expect a magistrate to know what to do if her child is being
>> threatened at school. That might involve commencing criminal proceedings
>> against those who are threatening her child.  It shouldn't involve saying
>> "I'm a magistrate so I expect some police action here
>
>By the same token, I might expect an highly educated shit like you to
>know what to do when you experience the occassional put down by many
>in this group. It should not involved saying Im a moderator of UKLM
>and I will blackball or prevent and let folk on UKL know that the guy
>who showed you being an arse hole on UKL cant publish on UKLM

Perhaps they filter your posts in UKLM because they're the same as you
post here : absolute shite.



woof woof
date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:17:33 +0100   author:   barker

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
Percy Picacity wrote:

> Yes it is, I want these well-adjusted successful bullies jailed at an 
> early stage in their careers!   However, seriously though, the gang 
> that beat the child in question had caused her actual bodily harm 
> before, and made a credible (and later carried out) threat to do so 
> again, even if we accept "beaten unconscious" may, or may not, be an 
> exaggeration.  If this is not a matter for the police, what is?  Don't 
> tell me, stealing a Mars bar from Woolworths perhaps?

Oh come, come, Percy. You don't think the police would be interested in 
a case of shoplifting, do you? Why the only reason they attend bank 
robberies is the hope that they can do the getaway driver for speeding.

Ken Down

-- 
================ ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIGGINGS ===============
|      Australia's premier archaeological magazine     |
|            http://www.diggingsonline.com             |
========================================================
date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:26:08 +0100   author:   Kendall Down

Re: Straw sacks magistrate who criticised police (UK Independent)   
On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:26:08 +0100, Kendall Down wrote:

> Percy Picacity wrote:
> 
>> Yes it is, I want these well-adjusted successful bullies jailed at an
>> early stage in their careers!   However, seriously though, the gang
>> that beat the child in question had caused her actual bodily harm
>> before, and made a credible (and later carried out) threat to do so
>> again, even if we accept "beaten unconscious" may, or may not, be an
>> exaggeration.  If this is not a matter for the police, what is?  Don't
>> tell me, stealing a Mars bar from Woolworths perhaps?
> 
> Oh come, come, Percy. You don't think the police would be interested in
> a case of shoplifting, do you? Why the only reason they attend bank
> robberies is the hope that they can do the getaway driver for speeding.
> 
> Ken Down

The only reason the sick bastards turn up to a bank robbery is in the 
hope that they can shoot and kill someone.
date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:20:01 GMT   author:   Bod Bodhi

Google
 
Web myreader.co.uk


    COPYRIGHT 2007, YARDI TECHNOLOGY LIMITED, ALL RIGHT RESERVE  |   contact us