Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.

In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost you
£17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers have
seen their house prices hit hard.

The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average of
9.1 per cent.

It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
£17,000 over the past year.

In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
with the London average.

The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
Rosedale?'"

The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.

The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. In
reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker

"Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>
> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost you
> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers have
> seen their house prices hit hard.
>
> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average of
> 9.1 per cent.
>
> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
> £17,000 over the past year.
>
> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
> with the London average.
>
> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
> Rosedale?'"
>
> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>
> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. In
> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker

END>

At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
help to keep our rents down, while costing the
Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.

I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.

                               Andy.

Andy Helliwell wrote:
> 
> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
> 
> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
> 
>                                Andy.
> 
> 
> 
Then you have no morals

"kj"  schreef in bericht 
news:KPmdnXMDdMqPbKTbRVnyiAA@bt.com...
> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>
>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>
>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>
>>                                Andy.
>>
>>
>>
> Then you have no morals

END>

The middle classes have no morals. They buy
cheap fashion clothes that are made by kids in
 Indian sweat shops.The middle classes are the
cause of most poverty, they drive inflation up,
they destroy the environment, they muscle in
to areas that have good schools driving local
poor kids and families out of the area. They
sit arrogantly in their 4 by 4 tanks crushing
every small car in any accident, while being
totally safe themselves !

If voting for the BNP will costs arrogant
sods like that 17 grand, and help to slow
poor peoples rent rises down at the same
 time, then I would say voting them in just
once to achieve that would be worth it.

If the middle classes let the rich hurt the poor
too much, the poor should threaten to vote for
the BNP, costing them their house prices.

                         Andy

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
message news:463a0144$0$302$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>
> "kj"  schreef in bericht 
> news:KPmdnXMDdMqPbKTbRVnyiAA@bt.com...
>> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>>
>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>
>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>
>>>                                Andy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Then you have no morals
>
> END>
>
> The middle classes have no morals. They buy
> cheap fashion clothes that are made by kids in
> Indian sweat shops.The middle classes are the
> cause of most poverty, they drive inflation up,
> they destroy the environment, they muscle in
> to areas that have good schools driving local
> poor kids and families out of the area. They
> sit arrogantly in their 4 by 4 tanks crushing
> every small car in any accident, while being
> totally safe themselves !
>
> If voting for the BNP will costs arrogant
> sods like that 17 grand, and help to slow
> poor peoples rent rises down at the same
> time, then I would say voting them in just
> once to achieve that would be worth it.
>
> If the middle classes let the rich hurt the poor
> too much, the poor should threaten to vote for
> the BNP, costing them their house prices.
>
>                         Andy
>

Andy you have a roof over your head.

Many don't.

To these, "YOU" are rich. "YOU" are the ones causing those who have nothing 
to suffer. "YOU" can afford it every time their is a rent rise.

"Wealth" or "Possessions" are relative to those above and below.

I have a car. An old car. Why should I have an old car when my neighbour has 
a new car? But the neighbour the other side can only afford a pedal bike.

Think about it. You are OK 'thank you very much' to lots of people.

Think about  it.

Kind regards

Mike


-- 
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk

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"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message 
news:Dc6dnY94NZ1ymafbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in


>> The middle classes have no morals. They buy
>> cheap fashion clothes that are made by kids in
>> Indian sweat shops.The middle classes are the
>> cause of most poverty, they drive inflation up,
>> they destroy the environment, they muscle in
>> to areas that have good schools driving local
>> poor kids and families out of the area. They
>> sit arrogantly in their 4 by 4 tanks crushing
>> every small car in any accident, while being
>> totally safe themselves !


> Andy you have a roof over your head.
>
> Many don't.
>
> To these, "YOU" are rich. "YOU" are the ones causing those who have 
> nothing to suffer. "YOU" can afford it every time their is a rent rise.
>
> "Wealth" or "Possessions" are relative to those above and below.
>
> I have a car. An old car. Why should I have an old car when my neighbour 
> has a new car? But the neighbour the other side can only afford a pedal 
> bike.
>
> Think about it. You are OK 'thank you very much' to lots of people.
>
> Think about  it.


Both of you are  confusing class with money......
It may be true that middle classes often DO have more money than  ( some?) 
working classes but class per se, is a particularly 'British' institution 
that carries far more than money with it.
Measuring your wealth - or disposable income - against others merely puts 
you onto a list that has a top and bottom but says nothing  in particular 
about ones' (perceived?) class..


Mark

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"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message 
news:Dc6dnY94NZ1ymafbnZ2dnUVZ8qijnZ2d@bt.com...

> Andy you have a roof over your head.
>
> Many don't.
>
> To these, "YOU" are rich. "YOU" are the ones causing those who have 
> nothing to suffer. "YOU" can afford it every time their is a rent rise.
>
> "Wealth" or "Possessions" are relative to those above and below.
>
> I have a car. An old car. Why should I have an old car when my neighbour 
> has a new car? But the neighbour the other side can only afford a pedal 
> bike.
>
> Think about it. You are OK 'thank you very much' to lots of people.
>
> Think about  it.
>
> Kind regards



On reflection, it seems you were NOT talking about class.
I  correct my assertion in another post that you were...


Mark

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>
> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>
>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost you
>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers have
>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>
>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average
>> of
>> 9.1 per cent.
>>
>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>
>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>> with the London average.
>>
>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>> Rosedale?'"
>>
>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>>
>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. In
>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>
> END>
>
> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>
> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>
>                               Andy.

Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.

Andy Helliwell wrote:
> "kj"  schreef in bericht 
> news:KPmdnXMDdMqPbKTbRVnyiAA@bt.com...
>> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>
>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>
>>>                                Andy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Then you have no morals
> 
> END>
> 
> The middle classes have no morals. They buy
> cheap fashion clothes that are made by kids in
>  Indian sweat shops.The middle classes are the
> cause of most poverty, they drive inflation up,
> they destroy the environment, they muscle in
> to areas that have good schools driving local
> poor kids and families out of the area. They
> sit arrogantly in their 4 by 4 tanks crushing
> every small car in any accident, while being
> totally safe themselves !
> 
> If voting for the BNP will costs arrogant
> sods like that 17 grand, and help to slow
> poor peoples rent rises down at the same
>  time, then I would say voting them in just
> once to achieve that would be worth it.
> 
> If the middle classes let the rich hurt the poor
> too much, the poor should threaten to vote for
> the BNP, costing them their house prices.
> 
>                          Andy 
> 
> 
you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the 
paki's and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the 
BNP ever get into power.

Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working 
classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes

"kj"  schreef in bericht 
news:N46dnUAIQvTfuafbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
> you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the paki's 
> and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the BNP ever 
> get into power.
>
> Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working 
> classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes

END>

The BNP are just a tool that could be used by
the poor to try and pesuade the rich to stop
abusing them. Voting them in every so often
will keep the mainstream politicians on their
toes. It will force them to listen to people as
well.

                            Andy

"Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
news:t9sba.re8.19.1@news.alt.net...
>
> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
> message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>
>> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
>> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
>>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>>
>>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost you
>>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers have
>>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>>
>>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
>>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average
>>> of
>>> 9.1 per cent.
>>>
>>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
>>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>>
>>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>>> with the London average.
>>>
>>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>>> Rosedale?'"
>>>
>>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>>>
>>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
>>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. In
>>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>>
>> END>
>>
>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>
>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>
>>                               Andy.
>
> Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
> occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.
>
END>

Me work ? I have not worked for over 3 years
 man, I am on the unemployment scrap heap
just rotting away.


                       Andy

On Thu, 3 May 2007 20:42:09 +0200, Andy Helliwell wrote:

> "kj"  schreef in bericht 
> news:N46dnUAIQvTfuafbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the paki's 
>> and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the BNP ever 
>> get into power.
>>
>> Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working 
>> classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes
> 
> END>
> 
> The BNP are just a tool that could be used by
> the poor to try and pesuade the rich to stop
> abusing them. Voting them in every so often
> will keep the mainstream politicians on their
> toes. It will force them to listen to people as
> well.
> 
>                             Andy

That's what they thought in Germany about Hitler!

Andy Helliwell wrote:
> "kj"  schreef in bericht 
> news:N46dnUAIQvTfuafbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the paki's 
>> and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the BNP ever 
>> get into power.
>>
>> Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working 
>> classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes
> 
> END>
> 
> The BNP are just a tool that could be used by
> the poor to try and pesuade the rich to stop
> abusing them. Voting them in every so often
> will keep the mainstream politicians on their
> toes. It will force them to listen to people as
> well.
> 
>                             Andy 
> 
> 
it is a tool that will turn and kick you in the head.....the same way 
that the Brown shirts and the Black shirts were a tool...they became the SS

"Manny"  wrote in message 
news:2qmhtmih3vig.dlg@yo.yo.org...
> On Thu, 3 May 2007 20:42:09 +0200, Andy Helliwell wrote:
>
>> "kj"  schreef in bericht
>> news:N46dnUAIQvTfuafbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the 
>>> paki's
>>> and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the BNP ever
>>> get into power.
>>>
>>> Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working
>>> classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes
>>
>> END>
>>
>> The BNP are just a tool that could be used by
>> the poor to try and pesuade the rich to stop
>> abusing them. Voting them in every so often
>> will keep the mainstream politicians on their
>> toes. It will force them to listen to people as
>> well.
>>
>>                             Andy
>
> That's what they thought in Germany about Hitler!

No they didn't.  They thought that the Nazis would bring them out of a 
recession and economic failure... completely the opposite to what he is 
stating.  It about time you people got over your racist obsession with the 
Germans and the Nazi era.

He's pissed off because everyone is loaded and he isn't... a good reason to 
be pissed off.  Not good enough to vote for the vermin that are modern 
politicians though.

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
message news:463a2d86$0$31213$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>
> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
> news:t9sba.re8.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
>> message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>
>>> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
>>> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
>>>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>>>
>>>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost you
>>>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers have
>>>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>>>
>>>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
>>>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average
>>>> of
>>>> 9.1 per cent.
>>>>
>>>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
>>>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>>>
>>>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>>>> with the London average.
>>>>
>>>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>>>> Rosedale?'"
>>>>
>>>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>>>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>>>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>>>>
>>>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
>>>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. In
>>>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>>>
>>> END>
>>>
>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>
>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>
>>>                               Andy.
>>
>> Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
>> occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.
>>
> END>
>
> Me work ? I have not worked for over 3 years
> man, I am on the unemployment scrap heap
> just rotting away.

What can you do, Andy?

"Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
news:v8ydndrRbuBa3afbnZ2dnUVZ8turnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
> message news:463a2d86$0$31213$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>
>> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:t9sba.re8.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>>
>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
>>> message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>>
>>>> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
>>>> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
>>>>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost 
>>>>> you
>>>>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers 
>>>>> have
>>>>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
>>>>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average
>>>>> of
>>>>> 9.1 per cent.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
>>>>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>>>>> with the London average.
>>>>>
>>>>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>>>>> Rosedale?'"
>>>>>
>>>>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>>>>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>>>>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>>>>>
>>>>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
>>>>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. 
>>>>> In
>>>>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>>>>
>>>> END>
>>>>
>>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>>
>>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>>
>>>>                               Andy.
>>>
>>> Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
>>> occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.
>>>
>> END>
>>
>> Me work ? I have not worked for over 3 years
>> man, I am on the unemployment scrap heap
>> just rotting away.
>
> What can you do, Andy?
END>

Not a lot really !!!!!!!!!

                 Andy

Andy Helliwell wrote:
> "Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
> news:v8ydndrRbuBa3afbnZ2dnUVZ8turnZ2d@bt.com...
>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>> message news:463a2d86$0$31213$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
>>> news:t9sba.re8.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
>>>> message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>>> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
>>>>> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>>>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
>>>>>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
>>>>>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> 9.1 per cent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
>>>>>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>>>>>> with the London average.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>>>>>> Rosedale?'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>>>>>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>>>>>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
>>>>>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. 
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>>>>> END>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>>>
>>>>>                               Andy.
>>>> Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
>>>> occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.
>>>>
>>> END>
>>>
>>> Me work ? I have not worked for over 3 years
>>> man, I am on the unemployment scrap heap
>>> just rotting away.
>> What can you do, Andy?
> END>
> 
> Not a lot really !!!!!!!!!
> 
>                  Andy 
> 
> 
and he has totally forgotten his punk anarchist ideals

"Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
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>
> "Manny"  wrote in message 
> news:2qmhtmih3vig.dlg@yo.yo.org...
>> On Thu, 3 May 2007 20:42:09 +0200, Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>
>>> "kj"  schreef in bericht
>>> news:N46dnUAIQvTfuafbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the 
>>>> paki's
>>>> and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the BNP 
>>>> ever
>>>> get into power.
>>>>
>>>> Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working
>>>> classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes
>>>
>>> END>
>>>
>>> The BNP are just a tool that could be used by
>>> the poor to try and pesuade the rich to stop
>>> abusing them. Voting them in every so often
>>> will keep the mainstream politicians on their
>>> toes. It will force them to listen to people as
>>> well.
>>>
>>>                             Andy
>>
>> That's what they thought in Germany about Hitler!
>
> No they didn't.  They thought that the Nazis would bring them out of a 
> recession and economic failure... completely the opposite to what he is 
> stating.  It about time you people got over your racist obsession with the 
> Germans and the Nazi era.
>
> He's pissed off because everyone is loaded and he isn't... a good reason 
> to be pissed off.  Not good enough to vote for the vermin that are modern 
> politicians though.
END>

I'm pissed off cos too many people have nawt
nowadays, I have been over 3 years without
a job. Old people today are some of the poorest
people around even after working their whole
 lives. How can that inspire the young to work
 hard for the future ?

Hitler came to power cos too many people had
nothing, he appeared to offer German people
an alternative to starvation and poverty.

The BNP are right in a lot of what they say, but
they get slammed as racists even if their ideas
are good. The country is too full, there are not
 enough houses or jobs for everyone, and I see
nawt wrong with calling for the borders to be
 closed to new arrivals.It just makes sense.

Most of mankind's trouble is caused by over
population, no one ever seems to debate
actually having less kids and people in the
world. The so called racist parties were
always the ones who highlighted race issues
like overpopulation, arranged marriges, and the
very high cost of policing foreigners who just
can't leave guns alone. None of the mainstream
politicians ever wanted to debate those issues
and it led to the rise of the BNP.

Mass unemployment and very, very low wages
for the majority of people is the future, the bosses
 are importing cheap labour like there is no tomorrow,
it can only lead to disaster !

                       Andy

"kj"  schreef in bericht 
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>>
>>
> and he has totally forgotten his punk anarchist ideals

END>

Punk rock was born out of poverty, and
thanks to the Dutch I am living in poverty
 now. So I am still into punk.

                       Andy

"kj"  wrote in message 
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> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>> "Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:v8ydndrRbuBa3afbnZ2dnUVZ8turnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>>> message news:463a2d86$0$31213$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
>>>> news:t9sba.re8.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
>>>>> message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>>>> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
>>>>>> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>>>>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP 
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors 
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London 
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> 9.1 per cent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an 
>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes 
>>>>>>> increased
>>>>>>> with the London average.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>>>>>>> Rosedale?'"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to 
>>>>>>> defeat
>>>>>>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>>>>>>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the 
>>>>>>> BNP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was 
>>>>>>> flooding
>>>>>>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. 
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>>>>>> END>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>>>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>>>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>>>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>>>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>>>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                               Andy.
>>>>> Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
>>>>> occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.
>>>>>
>>>> END>
>>>>
>>>> Me work ? I have not worked for over 3 years
>>>> man, I am on the unemployment scrap heap
>>>> just rotting away.
>>> What can you do, Andy?
>> END>
>>
>> Not a lot really !!!!!!!!!
>>
>>                  Andy
> and he has totally forgotten his punk anarchist ideals

The funniest thing about the original post is that the other parties are 
having to look at anything to try to get people not to vote BNP!

So the message the voters are meant to draw from this is they will hurt you 
in your pocket.
Nothing about their policies being wrong

hmmmmmm

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>

Andy I was interested in your next sentance because it is so full of crap.

> I'm pissed off cos too many people have nawt
> nowadays,

I am unable to back this up with any figures, but by just looking around me 
as I go about, I would say that  LOT of people have a LOT. I see very 
'large' people pushing very 'large' trolly loads of food out of the 
supermarket and loading their car and the food and booze is not the cheapest 
stuff either. Yes I am aware that some people have a disorder which makes 
them large, but not that many.

> I have been over 3 years without
> a job.

Now  know you are in Holland so I cannot speak as if you were here, but if 
you were, unless it is a serious medical reason, then I would call you a 
layabout and you don't 'want' to work. However as I said, I do not fully 
know your circumstances, some, but not all.

> Old people today are some of the poorest
> people around even after working their whole
> lives.

There are a 'few' Senior Citizens who are not too well off and are 
'managing' on their pensions, BUT, those I know around me and in my social 
scene, are doing very nicely thank you very much. Before I retired I was 
self employed and my work took me into 'old people's' homes, their own homes 
that is, and what I saw is the opposite to what you say. Pensioners can take 
two, three holidays a year. Do not have a mortgage, no children ............ 
no Andy, you are wrong on that one.

> How can that inspire the young to work
> hard for the future ?
>

Have you seen the young with their training schemes? There is more for 
today's kids than ever, especially now they have brought the Apprenticeship 
back :-))

Andy you have a chip on your shoulder the size of the Rock of Gibraltar. I 
have told you this before on this newsgroup so it won't be any surprise to 
you.

Stop looking inward for pity, start looking outward to a better future which 
ONLY YOU CAN MAKE. Nobody, but nobody is owed a living. You get what you 
make it yourself. I have told you before, I lost everything and signed on 
the dole on my 50th birthday. And when I say everything I mean just that. 
When you are down there is only one way to go. UP. My feet didn't touch the 
ground, I went out and got 'a' job and cocked the dole system up because I 
had 'a' job before ink on their paperwork was dry. This enabled me to get a 
mortgage and off I went again. Since then house paid for.

If I can do it. So can you and I know others who have as well, so I am not 
the odd one out.

Quite moaning and do something about it YOURSELF

Mike


-- 
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk

Andy Helliwell wrote:
> "Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
> news:276dnfqeIogO3afbRVnygQA@bt.com...
>> "Manny"  wrote in message 
>> news:2qmhtmih3vig.dlg@yo.yo.org...
>>> On Thu, 3 May 2007 20:42:09 +0200, Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>>
>>>> "kj"  schreef in bericht
>>>> news:N46dnUAIQvTfuafbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> you are a fool...call yourself a punk and an anarchist...after the 
>>>>> paki's
>>>>> and the wogs are beaten up and kicked out ..you are next if the BNP 
>>>>> ever
>>>>> get into power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you even know what the BNP are?  They do not represent the working
>>>>> classes they represent the Daily Mail reading Middle classes
>>>> END>
>>>>
>>>> The BNP are just a tool that could be used by
>>>> the poor to try and pesuade the rich to stop
>>>> abusing them. Voting them in every so often
>>>> will keep the mainstream politicians on their
>>>> toes. It will force them to listen to people as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>                             Andy
>>> That's what they thought in Germany about Hitler!
>> No they didn't.  They thought that the Nazis would bring them out of a 
>> recession and economic failure... completely the opposite to what he is 
>> stating.  It about time you people got over your racist obsession with the 
>> Germans and the Nazi era.
>>
>> He's pissed off because everyone is loaded and he isn't... a good reason 
>> to be pissed off.  Not good enough to vote for the vermin that are modern 
>> politicians though.
> END>
> 
> I'm pissed off cos too many people have nawt
> nowadays, I have been over 3 years without
> a job. Old people today are some of the poorest
> people around even after working their whole
>  lives. How can that inspire the young to work
>  hard for the future ?
> 
> Hitler came to power cos too many people had
> nothing, he appeared to offer German people
> an alternative to starvation and poverty.
> 
> The BNP are right in a lot of what they say, but
> they get slammed as racists even if their ideas
> are good. The country is too full, there are not
>  enough houses or jobs for everyone, and I see
> nawt wrong with calling for the borders to be
>  closed to new arrivals.It just makes sense.
> 
> Most of mankind's trouble is caused by over
> population, no one ever seems to debate
> actually having less kids and people in the
> world. The so called racist parties were
> always the ones who highlighted race issues
> like overpopulation, arranged marriges, and the
> very high cost of policing foreigners who just
> can't leave guns alone. None of the mainstream
> politicians ever wanted to debate those issues
> and it led to the rise of the BNP.
> 
> Mass unemployment and very, very low wages
> for the majority of people is the future, the bosses
>  are importing cheap labour like there is no tomorrow,
> it can only lead to disaster !
> 
>                        Andy
> 
> 
> 
The BNP were formed because nobody fell for tha nazi scums trash when 
they were called the National Front and the British Movement...so they 
re-branded..same people, same policy different name.

Call yourself a Ramones fan...he would be turning in his grave.

Andy Helliwell wrote:
> "kj"  schreef in bericht 
> news:zoCdnaQdF9fS26fbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
> 
>>>
>> and he has totally forgotten his punk anarchist ideals
> 
> END>
> 
> Punk rock was born out of poverty, and
> thanks to the Dutch I am living in poverty
>  now. So I am still into punk.
> 
>                        Andy 
> 
> 
but have none of the ideals...

Andy Helliwell wrote:
>
> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.

You should go to a BNP meeting. Tell them about how when you were fit and 
strong you chose to contribute to the economy of a foreign nation, but as 
soon as you got disabled, you came back to Britain to live on benefit. 
They'll love you!

"John Rowland"  schreef in bericht 
news:f1e2k1$2o$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>
>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>
> You should go to a BNP meeting. Tell them about how when you were fit and 
> strong you chose to contribute to the economy of a foreign nation, but as 
> soon as you got disabled, you came back to Britain to live on benefit. 
> They'll love you!
>
END>

I can honestly tell you that the biggest reason that
I do not wanna come back to the UK is cos I
have got nawt, and I won't be able to find work.
 I have no intention of scrounging from my home
country, after all I took the decision to leave in
the first place. I am NOT on the British social
security, I am still scrounging off of the Dutch
unemployment actually.

I had a right to claim maintenance costs back
from the Dutch tax for my son even though he
 lives in the UK, but I never did cos I always
hated it when foreigners claim for kids who live
in other countries, so I did not do it myself even
though I had a right on the money. I ain't a
scrounger sort, I worked hard for years, but
 that all ended when the Dutch left me crippled.!!
I wish I had claimed the money back for my kid
 now !

They are calling for my deportation from Holland
on one Dutch news group, I am arguing like hell
that the Dutch have no right to dump me on the
UK, injured and out of work. They even offered
 to pay for my boat ticket to get rid of me cos they
hate me so much after I slammed their Crappy
system on the internet..

                            Andy
               Betrayed by the Dutch
          Anne Frank,,,,,Andy Helliwell

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
message news:463ae5de$0$297$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>
> "John Rowland"  schreef in bericht 
> news:f1e2k1$2o$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>>
>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>
>> You should go to a BNP meeting. Tell them about how when you were fit and 
>> strong you chose to contribute to the economy of a foreign nation, but as 
>> soon as you got disabled, you came back to Britain to live on benefit. 
>> They'll love you!
>>
> END>
>
> I can honestly tell you that the biggest reason that
> I do not wanna come back to the UK is cos I
> have got nawt, and I won't be able to find work.
> I have no intention of scrounging from my home
> country, after all I took the decision to leave in
> the first place. I am NOT on the British social
> security, I am still scrounging off of the Dutch
> unemployment actually.
>
> I had a right to claim maintenance costs back
> from the Dutch tax for my son even though he
> lives in the UK, but I never did cos I always
> hated it when foreigners claim for kids who live
> in other countries, so I did not do it myself even
> though I had a right on the money. I ain't a
> scrounger sort, I worked hard for years, but
> that all ended when the Dutch left me crippled.!!
> I wish I had claimed the money back for my kid
> now !
>
> They are calling for my deportation from Holland
> on one Dutch news group, I am arguing like hell
> that the Dutch have no right to dump me on the
> UK, injured and out of work. They even offered
> to pay for my boat ticket to get rid of me cos they
> hate me so much after I slammed their Crappy
> system on the internet..
>
>                            Andy
>               Betrayed by the Dutch
>          Anne Frank,,,,,Andy Helliwell
>

Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
whinge?

Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better life 
FOR YOURSELF?

Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?

Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything which 
pleases you?

Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?

I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"

Kind regards

Off now to enjoy my day

Mike


-- 
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk

"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
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>
>
>
> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
> whinge?
>
> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better 
> life FOR YOURSELF?
>
> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>
> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything 
> which pleases you?
>
> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>
> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>
> Kind regards
>
> Off now to enjoy my day
>
> Mike
>
>
END>

You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
why I like you more than anyone else here
does.

If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
are worse for your health than smoking is.

The truth will prevail.

                                Andy
          All happy cos Mike is my friend !

'Mike' wrote:
>
> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and
> whinge?
>
> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a
> better life FOR YOURSELF?
>
> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>
> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do
> anything which pleases you?
>
> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>
> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"

B.O.?

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
message news:463a4443$0$307$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>
> "Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
> news:v8ydndrRbuBa3afbnZ2dnUVZ8turnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>> message news:463a2d86$0$31213$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>
>>> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
>>> news:t9sba.re8.19.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in
>>>> message news:4639be9a$1$292$dbd4d001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
>>>>> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>>>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP 
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors 
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> 9.1 per cent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an 
>>>>>> average
>>>>>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>>>>>> with the London average.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>>>>>> Rosedale?'"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>>>>>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>>>>>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the 
>>>>>> BNP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was 
>>>>>> flooding
>>>>>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. 
>>>>>> In
>>>>>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>>>>>
>>>>> END>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>>>
>>>>>                               Andy.
>>>>
>>>> Not working today Andy? Pity. An occupation, or anything to keep you
>>>> occupied, would take your mind of your envy of  90% of the population.
>>>>
>>> END>
>>>
>>> Me work ? I have not worked for over 3 years
>>> man, I am on the unemployment scrap heap
>>> just rotting away.
>>
>> What can you do, Andy?
> END>
>
> Not a lot really !!!!!!!!!

Then its politics for you, sir - and very well you should do in it.

"Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
news:Po-dne8hWI4h-qbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
>>>
>>> What can you do, Andy?
>> END>
>>
>> Not a lot really !!!!!!!!!
>
> Then its politics for you, sir - and very well you should do in it.
END>

Am I lazy enough to wanna be a politician ?
Bloody right, where do I sign up ?

                        Andy

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>
> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
> news:FK6dnY28EvA9eqfbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
>> whinge?
>>
>> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better 
>> life FOR YOURSELF?
>>
>> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>>
>> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything 
>> which pleases you?
>>
>> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>>
>> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Off now to enjoy my day
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
> END>
>
> You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
> why I like you more than anyone else here
> does.
>
> If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
> Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
> are worse for your health than smoking is.
>
> The truth will prevail.

The truth is you are a whining parasite. Stop whinging on here and do 
something. There are very few of us who haven't had bad luck at some time 
in our lives. You can either pick yourself up and rebuild your life or 
find someone to blame. In your case you are blaming the taxpayers in 
Holland who are keeping you afloat! They should chuck you out. Hopefully 
they won't or we will have to support you! You are a bloody disgrace!

"Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
news:td1hc.7tr.17.1@news.alt.net...
>
> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
> message news:463ae9aa$0$274$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>
>> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
>> news:FK6dnY28EvA9eqfbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
>>> whinge?
>>>
>>> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better 
>>> life FOR YOURSELF?
>>>
>>> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>>>
>>> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything 
>>> which pleases you?
>>>
>>> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>>>
>>> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Off now to enjoy my day
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>> END>
>>
>> You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
>> why I like you more than anyone else here
>> does.
>>
>> If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
>> Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
>> are worse for your health than smoking is.
>>
>> The truth will prevail.
>
> The truth is you are a whining parasite. Stop whinging on here and do 
> something. There are very few of us who haven't had bad luck at some time 
> in our lives. You can either pick yourself up and rebuild your life or 
> find someone to blame. In your case you are blaming the taxpayers in 
> Holland who are keeping you afloat! They should chuck you out. Hopefully 
> they won't or we will have to support you! You are a bloody disgrace!
END>

Am I a disgrace for whining about unfairness and
rule breaking in Holland that has crippled my leg ?
You would be fucking whining like hell  if the Dutch
did send me back, and the UK ends up paying the
 30,000+ euro's for orthopedic shoes for me for the
 rest of my life. How many other injured Brits do the
Dutch dump back on the UK after they have ruined
 their health in one of their sodding death trap factories ?

The Dutch are deliberately nasty to foreign injured
workers after they have been injured beyond repair,
 cos they hope that they will voluntarily go home and
take their expensive medical problems with them.
They just play mind games to try and get you to go
away and get someone else to pay for their rule
breaking.

                              Andy

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>
> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
> news:td1hc.7tr.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>> message news:463ae9aa$0$274$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>
>>> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
>>> news:FK6dnY28EvA9eqfbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
>>>> whinge?
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better 
>>>> life FOR YOURSELF?
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>>>>
>>>> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything 
>>>> which pleases you?
>>>>
>>>> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>>>>
>>>> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Off now to enjoy my day
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>> END>
>>>
>>> You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
>>> why I like you more than anyone else here
>>> does.
>>>
>>> If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
>>> Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
>>> are worse for your health than smoking is.
>>>
>>> The truth will prevail.
>>
>> The truth is you are a whining parasite. Stop whinging on here and do 
>> something. There are very few of us who haven't had bad luck at some time 
>> in our lives. You can either pick yourself up and rebuild your life or 
>> find someone to blame. In your case you are blaming the taxpayers in 
>> Holland who are keeping you afloat! They should chuck you out. Hopefully 
>> they won't or we will have to support you! You are a bloody disgrace!
> END>
>
> Am I a disgrace for whining about unfairness and
> rule breaking in Holland that has crippled my leg ?
> You would be fucking whining like hell  if the Dutch
> did send me back, and the UK ends up paying the
> 30,000+ euro's for orthopedic shoes for me for the
> rest of my life. How many other injured Brits do the
> Dutch dump back on the UK after they have ruined
> their health in one of their sodding death trap factories ?
>
> The Dutch are deliberately nasty to foreign injured
> workers after they have been injured beyond repair,
> cos they hope that they will voluntarily go home and
> take their expensive medical problems with them.
> They just play mind games to try and get you to go
> away and get someone else to pay for their rule
> breaking.
>
>                              Andy
>

Andy you have been playing this song for a very long time on these 
newsgroups. In that time, what has changed?
..
..

Nothing to your benefit.

Nothing AT ALL.
..
..

So what does your moaning and whinging on here do?
..
..
Nothing to your benefit.
..
..

Nothing AT ALL.

What is the answer?

Change your attitude and do something FOR YOURSELF.

Just before I retired I was offered a job which I thought I might take up. 
On retirement I discovered I would be paying tax on my pensions :-((((( So 
any extra income would be taxed :-((

What a damned good chance to have a good old whinge at the Government. Would 
it do any good? NO. Others are all reading whinging and moaning.

So what did I do? Took the job on a 'Self Employed' basis, started my own 
company and play the tax system as they want it to be played. Keep all my 
receipts etc etc etc which before meant nothing. I now have an allowance for 
running my car, clothes, dining out, ferry fares on/off the Island etc etc 
etc. Accountants fees for sorting out all the paperwork and dealing with the 
tax man? £180.00 per year :-)) Tax deductible expense of course :-))

And as my wife was well under the tax threshold on her pension, she is a 
partner so can claim up to the hilt as well :-))))

Get off your backside Andy, and do things for yourself. By the way I think 
you are a bit younger than me, so you have youth on your side :-)) How old 
are you?

Kind regards

Mike


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'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>
> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
> news:td1hc.7tr.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>
>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>> message news:463ae9aa$0$274$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>
>>> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
>>> news:FK6dnY28EvA9eqfbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
>>>> whinge?
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better 
>>>> life FOR YOURSELF?
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>>>>
>>>> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything 
>>>> which pleases you?
>>>>
>>>> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>>>>
>>>> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Off now to enjoy my day
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>> END>
>>>
>>> You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
>>> why I like you more than anyone else here
>>> does.
>>>
>>> If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
>>> Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
>>> are worse for your health than smoking is.
>>>
>>> The truth will prevail.
>>
>> The truth is you are a whining parasite. Stop whinging on here and do 
>> something. There are very few of us who haven't had bad luck at some time 
>> in our lives. You can either pick yourself up and rebuild your life or 
>> find someone to blame. In your case you are blaming the taxpayers in 
>> Holland who are keeping you afloat! They should chuck you out. Hopefully 
>> they won't or we will have to support you! You are a bloody disgrace!
> END>
>
> Am I a disgrace for whining about unfairness and
> rule breaking in Holland that has crippled my leg ?
> You would be fucking whining like hell  if the Dutch
> did send me back, and the UK ends up paying the
> 30,000+ euro's for orthopedic shoes for me for the
> rest of my life. How many other injured Brits do the
> Dutch dump back on the UK after they have ruined
> their health in one of their sodding death trap factories ?
>
> The Dutch are deliberately nasty to foreign injured
> workers after they have been injured beyond repair,
> cos they hope that they will voluntarily go home and
> take their expensive medical problems with them.
> They just play mind games to try and get you to go
> away and get someone else to pay for their rule
> breaking.

You're entitled to healthcare here if you are a British citizen.  I'd 
suggest you stop your whining and theorising, get on a boat and come back to 
the shores of your home and rebuild your life.  Staying in an environment 
that you claim is hostile smacks of self loathing.  If you feel guilt about 
using the NHS just get a job and pay your way.  There are lots of things you 
can do that don't involve the use of your leg.  You'll earn a lot more 
respect telling everyone how you rebuilt your life than you will whining 
about the self built shit pit you perpetually live in.

"Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
news:hMedndH2avEQ9qHbnZ2dnUVZ8t2snZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
> message news:463bbcf1$0$274$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>
>> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
>> news:td1hc.7tr.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>
>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>>> message news:463ae9aa$0$274$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>>
>>>> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
>>>> news:FK6dnY28EvA9eqfbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan and 
>>>>> whinge?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a better 
>>>>> life FOR YOURSELF?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do anything 
>>>>> which pleases you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>>>>>
>>>>> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Off now to enjoy my day
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> END>
>>>>
>>>> You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
>>>> why I like you more than anyone else here
>>>> does.
>>>>
>>>> If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
>>>> Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
>>>> are worse for your health than smoking is.
>>>>
>>>> The truth will prevail.
>>>
>>> The truth is you are a whining parasite. Stop whinging on here and do 
>>> something. There are very few of us who haven't had bad luck at some 
>>> time in our lives. You can either pick yourself up and rebuild your life 
>>> or find someone to blame. In your case you are blaming the taxpayers in 
>>> Holland who are keeping you afloat! They should chuck you out. Hopefully 
>>> they won't or we will have to support you! You are a bloody disgrace!
>> END>
>>
>> Am I a disgrace for whining about unfairness and
>> rule breaking in Holland that has crippled my leg ?
>> You would be fucking whining like hell  if the Dutch
>> did send me back, and the UK ends up paying the
>> 30,000+ euro's for orthopedic shoes for me for the
>> rest of my life. How many other injured Brits do the
>> Dutch dump back on the UK after they have ruined
>> their health in one of their sodding death trap factories ?
>>
>> The Dutch are deliberately nasty to foreign injured
>> workers after they have been injured beyond repair,
>> cos they hope that they will voluntarily go home and
>> take their expensive medical problems with them.
>> They just play mind games to try and get you to go
>> away and get someone else to pay for their rule
>> breaking.
>
> You're entitled to healthcare here if you are a British citizen.  I'd 
> suggest you stop your whining and theorising, get on a boat and come back 
> to the shores of your home and rebuild your life.  Staying in an 
> environment that you claim is hostile smacks of self loathing.  If you 
> feel guilt about using the NHS just get a job and pay your way.  There are 
> lots of things you can do that don't involve the use of your leg.  You'll 
> earn a lot more respect telling everyone how you rebuilt your life than 
> you will whining about the self built shit pit you perpetually live in.
END>

I have Dutch nationality, I am screwed cos I am a
bloody foreigner now ! I took a Dutch passport
cos I wanted  to fit in and integrate with people in
Holland, that is why I also learned to speak Dutch
as soon as I could when I came here.

I have no more right to British healthcare than any
other foreigner does.

Never give your British passport up !

                               Andy

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>
> "Night of the Toad"  schreef in bericht 
> news:hMedndH2avEQ9qHbnZ2dnUVZ8t2snZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>> message news:463bbcf1$0$274$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>
>>> "Not Today"  schreef in bericht 
>>> news:td1hc.7tr.17.1@news.alt.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
>>>> message news:463ae9aa$0$274$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
>>>>> news:FK6dnY28EvA9eqfbnZ2dnUVZ8tGqnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy is that the main aim for the rest of your life ...... to moan 
>>>>>> and whinge?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think that one day YOU might be able to change and get a 
>>>>>> better life FOR YOURSELF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you think that ANYONE owes you a living?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does ANYONE ever show any sympathy for you? If so, do they do 
>>>>>> anything which pleases you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy there is one huge problem in your life. Do you know what it is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will give you a clue, it is a 2 lettered word. "**"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off now to enjoy my day
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> END>
>>>>>
>>>>> You always show me sympathy Mike, that is
>>>>> why I like you more than anyone else here
>>>>> does.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you ever have the bright idea of moving to
>>>>> Holland to work, just forget it cos the Dutch
>>>>> are worse for your health than smoking is.
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth will prevail.
>>>>
>>>> The truth is you are a whining parasite. Stop whinging on here and do 
>>>> something. There are very few of us who haven't had bad luck at some 
>>>> time in our lives. You can either pick yourself up and rebuild your 
>>>> life or find someone to blame. In your case you are blaming the 
>>>> taxpayers in Holland who are keeping you afloat! They should chuck you 
>>>> out. Hopefully they won't or we will have to support you! You are a 
>>>> bloody disgrace!
>>> END>
>>>
>>> Am I a disgrace for whining about unfairness and
>>> rule breaking in Holland that has crippled my leg ?
>>> You would be fucking whining like hell  if the Dutch
>>> did send me back, and the UK ends up paying the
>>> 30,000+ euro's for orthopedic shoes for me for the
>>> rest of my life. How many other injured Brits do the
>>> Dutch dump back on the UK after they have ruined
>>> their health in one of their sodding death trap factories ?
>>>
>>> The Dutch are deliberately nasty to foreign injured
>>> workers after they have been injured beyond repair,
>>> cos they hope that they will voluntarily go home and
>>> take their expensive medical problems with them.
>>> They just play mind games to try and get you to go
>>> away and get someone else to pay for their rule
>>> breaking.
>>
>> You're entitled to healthcare here if you are a British citizen.  I'd 
>> suggest you stop your whining and theorising, get on a boat and come back 
>> to the shores of your home and rebuild your life.  Staying in an 
>> environment that you claim is hostile smacks of self loathing.  If you 
>> feel guilt about using the NHS just get a job and pay your way.  There 
>> are lots of things you can do that don't involve the use of your leg. 
>> You'll earn a lot more respect telling everyone how you rebuilt your life 
>> than you will whining about the self built shit pit you perpetually live 
>> in.
> END>
>
> I have Dutch nationality, I am screwed cos I am a
> bloody foreigner now ! I took a Dutch passport
> cos I wanted  to fit in and integrate with people in
> Holland, that is why I also learned to speak Dutch
> as soon as I could when I came here.
>
> I have no more right to British healthcare than any
> other foreigner does.
>
> Never give your British passport up !
>
>                               Andy
>

and what happened when you re-applied for your British Passport?

Kind regards

mike


-- 
................................................................
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'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk

"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> schreef in bericht 
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>>
>>                               Andy
>>
>
> and what happened when you re-applied for your British Passport?
>
END>

They said, "Sod off you wooden shoe wearing
unemployed Dutch man, the UK is not gonna
 keep you" Go home to Holland and don't
come back here until you have got a job !

Well they did not really say all that, but the
Brits probably will if I turn up at their border
 asking for political asylum in the UK, cos
the Dutch are too dangerous to my future
and well being.

If I was 100% fit I would be back in the UK
tomorrow, I dunno why people wanna slate
me for having that attitude. Finding work is
hard enough even if you are totally fit.

When I first came here I brought 3000 Gulden
to last me a month or two, so I did not have to
sign on the Dutch unemployment while I was
 looking for work. Luckily I had a job after only
3 days, but still I am glad I did it that way.

                           Andy

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
message news:463c999d$0$42199
>>
>> and what happened when you re-applied for your British Passport?
>>
> END>
>
> They said, "Sod off you wooden shoe wearing
> unemployed Dutch man, the UK is not gonna
> keep you" Go home to Holland and don't
> come back here until you have got a job !
>
> Well they did not really say all that,


So you haven't actually tried?

Why not? Prefer to whinge on here? Apply, get turned down and THEN you would 
have something to whinge about.

You've done nothing, have you?

""Better to have tried and failed; than not to have tried at all""

Kind regards

Mike


-- 
................................................................
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>
> "Custard Creme"  schreef in bericht
> news:4639bbbd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Voters in the South-East were today warned that electing the BNP could
>> cost them thousands of pounds in depressed house prices.
>>
>> In one leaflet, the Conservatives claim that voting BNP "could cost you
>> £17,000" because areas that have backed the party in large numbers have
>> seen their house prices hit hard.
>>
>> The leaflet claims that Barking, which elected 12 BNP councillors last
>> year, saw homes rise by 1.2 per cent compared with the London average of
>> 9.1 per cent.
>>
>> It says the difference meant Barking homeowners lost out on an average
>> £17,000 over the past year.
>>
>> In 2005, the year before the BNP got elected, Barking homes increased
>> with the London average.
>>
>> The leaflet says: "Ask yourself. 'Can I afford to keep the BNP in
>> Rosedale?'"
>>
>> The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are determined to defeat
>> the far-Right in the elections and in some areas have unofficially
>> agreed pacts to ensure the strongest contenders can fight off the BNP.
>>
>> The BNP won Rosedale ward after claiming that the council was flooding
>> the area with asylum seekers and putting up council tax as a result. In
>> reality, the council did not house a single asylum seeker
>
> END>
>
> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>
> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>
>                               Andy.
>
>
Andy from Darnall Where the fuck have you been

"Andy Helliwell"  wrote in 
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>
> "kj"  schreef in bericht 
> news:KPmdnXMDdMqPbKTbRVnyiAA@bt.com...
>> Andy Helliwell wrote:
>>>
>>> At least the rents for the poor won't go up as much
>>> then. Every time the middle classes up the price of
>>> their houses our rents go up as well. The BNP can
>>> help to keep our rents down, while costing the
>>> Scabby middle classes thousands of pounds.
>>>
>>> I would vote for the BNP tomorrow if my vote was
>>> gonna cost the average middle class voter 17 grand.
>>>
>>>                                Andy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Then you have no morals
>
> END>
>
> The middle classes have no morals. They buy
> cheap fashion clothes that are made by kids in
> Indian sweat shops.The middle classes are the
> cause of most poverty, they drive inflation up,
> they destroy the environment, they muscle in
> to areas that have good schools driving local
> poor kids and families out of the area. They
> sit arrogantly in their 4 by 4 tanks crushing
> every small car in any accident, while being
> totally safe themselves !
>
> If voting for the BNP will costs arrogant
> sods like that 17 grand, and help to slow
> poor peoples rent rises down at the same
> time, then I would say voting them in just
> once to achieve that would be worth it.
>
> If the middle classes let the rich hurt the poor
> too much, the poor should threaten to vote for
> the BNP, costing them their house prices.
>
>                         Andy

Get a wash you bloody small-minded, tree-hugging idiot.  It's people like 
you that drive the country towards marginalism in the hope your utopian 
anarchic state becomes a reality. That way you and the rest of your gumby 
friends can sit around and wonder what we can do now...'man'.  The only 
reason you complain about those who have big cars and nice houses is that 
you simply have neither.  Lincolnshire seems to have a large percentage of 
inherited money, and those children of rich parents can be arseholes (no 
hiding that fact).  Should we take the money away from them because 'daddy' 
did something that brought money in or should we hope they continue the 
tradition.  To be honest, I don't really give a shit!  I live in a quite 
nice house.  It isn't huge but it isn't a one bed flat.  I have gone out and 
worked for it though.  Nobody gave it to me and I don;t expect anyone to 
either.  If I want a bigger house or car, I'll work harder for it.  To some, 
I'm rich as I have a house and a car, to some I'm poor as I have one house 
and one car.  The point is, no political party will make me think that the 
colour of my skin, thought in my creed or my (or my parents) country of 
origin give me ANY right to have or have not. If you think that is the case, 
then you are as deluded as the party members themselves.

My parents had a saying which I still hold true to this day - 'Most people 
don't get into politics to help other people...'  If you want something - 
get it yourself!!!!!

X-No-Archive: yes
"Jackmac"  wrote in message 
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> Get a wash you bloody small-minded, tree-hugging idiot.  It's people like 
> you that drive the country towards marginalism in the hope your utopian 
> anarchic state becomes a reality. That way you and the rest of your gumby 
> friends can sit around and wonder what we can do now...'man'.  The only 
> reason you complain about those who have big cars and nice houses is that 
> you simply have neither.  Lincolnshire seems to have a large percentage of 
> inherited money, and those children of rich parents can be arseholes (no 
> hiding that fact).  Should we take the money away from them because 
> 'daddy' did something that brought money in or should we hope they 
> continue the tradition.  To be honest, I don't really give a shit!  I live 
> in a quite nice house.  It isn't huge but it isn't a one bed flat.  I have 
> gone out and worked for it though.  Nobody gave it to me and I don;t 
> expect anyone to either.  If I want a bigger house or car, I'll work 
> harder for it.  To some, I'm rich as I have a house and a car, to some I'm 
> poor as I have one house and one car.  The point is, no political party 
> will make me think that the colour of my skin, thought in my creed or my 
> (or my parents) country of origin give me ANY right to have or have not. 
> If you think that is the case, then you are as deluded as the party 
> members themselves.



> My parents had a saying which I still hold true to this day - 'Most people 
> don't get into politics to help other people...'  If you want something - 
> get it yourself!!!!!

.....Nice, conservative values..eh..?
you are not terribly wrong in your attitude, in my opinion, but I just 
wonder about all of those in our society that cannot [ for whatever reason] 
..."get it for yourself"  (sic)..
It's perfectly ok if you are young (ish), fit, healthy, reasonably well 
educated, qualified, determined and capable......... but for those that are 
none of those things, I wonder how *we* should take care of them...??


Mark