Nice one.  Can't wait till they've got all my genetic, retinal and whatever 
information the Govt creepily dreams of getting on us to give away to some 
herbert on a train!

I've no doubt that "lessons will be learned".  Thing is ... with the money 
these ministers are on, you'd think we'd get professionals that had already 
learned all the lessons - not a bunch of trainees using real life as their 
training course. 


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"The Hatter"  wrote in message
news:28d91$48aea779$2369@news.teranews.com...
> Nice one.  Can't wait till they've got all my genetic, retinal and
> whatever information the Govt creepily dreams of getting on us to give
> away to some herbert on a train!
>
> I've no doubt that "lessons will be learned".  Thing is ... with the money
> these ministers are on, you'd think we'd get professionals that had
> already learned all the lessons - not a bunch of trainees using real life
> as their training course.


Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. This 
government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal information. I 
think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments may be able to 
philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice is quite another 
story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, accountants, teachers, 
lawyers, social workers; there are very few who have been industrialists. 
Consequently they are good at talking but couldn't manage a chip shop let 
alone the huge government departments. I'm always amazed at their arrogance 
thinking they could. Plonkers, the lot of 'em!

"Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
news:je6dnUnSrtwYWDPVnZ2dnUVZ8tjinZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "The Hatter"  wrote in message
> news:28d91$48aea779$2369@news.teranews.com...
>> Nice one.  Can't wait till they've got all my genetic, retinal and
>> whatever information the Govt creepily dreams of getting on us to give
>> away to some herbert on a train!
>>
>> I've no doubt that "lessons will be learned".  Thing is ... with the 
>> money
>> these ministers are on, you'd think we'd get professionals that had
>> already learned all the lessons - not a bunch of trainees using real life
>> as their training course.
>
>
> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments may 
> be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice is 
> quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, accountants, 
> teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who have been 
> industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but couldn't manage 
> a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. I'm always amazed 
> at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the lot of 'em!

Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
with most of what we say.  Maybe we should run for parliament as a party of 
2, lol. 


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"The Hatter"  wrote in message 
news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...

<snip>

>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice is 
>> quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the 
>> lot of 'em!
>
> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
> with most of what we say.

Sorry, I don't agree, certainly not on this issue, or with much else that 
you say for that matter.
-- 
Harry Keane

"The Hatter"  wrote in message 
news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>
> "Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
> news:je6dnUnSrtwYWDPVnZ2dnUVZ8tjinZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "The Hatter"  wrote in message
>> news:28d91$48aea779$2369@news.teranews.com...
>>> Nice one.  Can't wait till they've got all my genetic, retinal and
>>> whatever information the Govt creepily dreams of getting on us to give
>>> away to some herbert on a train!
>>>
>>> I've no doubt that "lessons will be learned".  Thing is ... with the 
>>> money
>>> these ministers are on, you'd think we'd get professionals that had
>>> already learned all the lessons - not a bunch of trainees using real 
>>> life
>>> as their training course.
>>
>>
>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice is 
>> quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the 
>> lot of 'em!
>
> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
> with most of what we say.  Maybe we should run for parliament as a party 
> of 2, lol.
I'd support your campaign.... (methinks not eating for a week and having a 
glass of red wine has not helped this decision mind!) ;-)

JB
x

"Harry Keane"  wrote in message 
news:UGfsk.94174$D01.39934@newsfe17.ams2...
> "The Hatter"  wrote in message 
> news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice 
>>> is quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the 
>>> lot of 'em!
>>
>> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
>> with most of what we say.
>
> Sorry, I don't agree, certainly not on this issue, or with much else that 
> you say for that matter.

Whaddya mean, you don't agree? You think it is alright to lose personal data 
and MPs are born managers? :-)

And in all seriousness, this couldn't care less attitude about personal data 
seems very peculiar to me. I wouldn't want the world and his wife to see my 
bank account details, my medical records, my phone and text records, etc. 
Would you?

"The Hatter"  wrote in message 
news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>
> "Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
> news:je6dnUnSrtwYWDPVnZ2dnUVZ8tjinZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "The Hatter"  wrote in message
>> news:28d91$48aea779$2369@news.teranews.com...
>>> Nice one.  Can't wait till they've got all my genetic, retinal and
>>> whatever information the Govt creepily dreams of getting on us to give
>>> away to some herbert on a train!
>>>
>>> I've no doubt that "lessons will be learned".  Thing is ... with the 
>>> money
>>> these ministers are on, you'd think we'd get professionals that had
>>> already learned all the lessons - not a bunch of trainees using real 
>>> life
>>> as their training course.
>>
>>
>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice is 
>> quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the 
>> lot of 'em!
>
> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
> with most of what we say.  Maybe we should run for parliament as a party 
> of 2, lol.


Well everyone agrees with us is a given, why shouldn't they, we are the only 
ones who talk sense. But a party? Everyone might agree with "us" but how 
long would it be before we didn't agree with each other? Not long on any 
historical basis! lol

"Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
news:o_GdnU69ZdaALyzVRVnyvwA@bt.com...
>
> "Harry Keane"  wrote in message 
> news:UGfsk.94174$D01.39934@newsfe17.ams2...
>> "The Hatter"  wrote in message 
>> news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>>>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>>>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>>>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice 
>>>> is quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>>>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>>>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>>>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>>>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the 
>>>> lot of 'em!
>>>
>>> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
>>> with most of what we say.
>>
>> Sorry, I don't agree, certainly not on this issue, or with much else that 
>> you say for that matter.
>
> Whaddya mean, you don't agree? You think it is alright to lose personal 
> data and MPs are born managers? :-)
>
> And in all seriousness, this couldn't care less attitude about personal 
> data seems very peculiar to me. I wouldn't want the world and his wife to 
> see my bank account details, my medical records, my phone and text 
> records, etc. Would you?

Lol, definitely not!!!

JB
x
>
>

"Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
news:o_GdnU69ZdaALyzVRVnyvwA@bt.com...
>
> "Harry Keane"  wrote in message 
> news:UGfsk.94174$D01.39934@newsfe17.ams2...
>> "The Hatter"  wrote in message 
>> news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>>>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>>>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>>>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice 
>>>> is quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>>>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>>>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>>>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>>>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, the 
>>>> lot of 'em!
>>>
>>> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they agree 
>>> with most of what we say.
>>
>> Sorry, I don't agree, certainly not on this issue, or with much else that 
>> you say for that matter.
>
> Whaddya mean, you don't agree? You think it is alright to lose personal 
> data and MPs are born managers? :-)
>
> And in all seriousness, this couldn't care less attitude about personal 
> data seems very peculiar to me. I wouldn't want the world and his wife to 
> see my bank account details, my medical records, my phone and text 
> records, etc. Would you?

It seems that anything that a socialist govt does is ok according to Harry 
as long as it is a socialist govt doing it.  I suspect that includes human 
rights attrocities in China and all the fun Stalin had in the good 'ol USSR. 
Simple, basic tribalism much akin to a football supporter - my team commits 
a foul "he played the ball", their team commits a foul "refereeeeeee, send 
'im off".  Its as simple as that. 


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"The Hatter"  wrote in message 
news:697a2$48b3d6d0$31925@news.teranews.com...
>
> "Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
> news:o_GdnU69ZdaALyzVRVnyvwA@bt.com...
>>
>> "Harry Keane"  wrote in message 
>> news:UGfsk.94174$D01.39934@newsfe17.ams2...
>>> "The Hatter"  wrote in message 
>>> news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity cards. 
>>>>> This government, any government, cannot be trusted with personal 
>>>>> information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is governments 
>>>>> may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy into practice 
>>>>> is quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are doctors, 
>>>>> accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are very few who 
>>>>> have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at talking but 
>>>>> couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government departments. 
>>>>> I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they could. Plonkers, 
>>>>> the lot of 'em!
>>>>
>>>> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they 
>>>> agree with most of what we say.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I don't agree, certainly not on this issue, or with much else 
>>> that you say for that matter.
>>
>> Whaddya mean, you don't agree? You think it is alright to lose personal 
>> data and MPs are born managers? :-)
>>
>> And in all seriousness, this couldn't care less attitude about personal 
>> data seems very peculiar to me. I wouldn't want the world and his wife to 
>> see my bank account details, my medical records, my phone and text 
>> records, etc. Would you?
>
> It seems that anything that a socialist govt does is ok according to Harry 
> as long as it is a socialist govt doing it.  I suspect that includes human 
> rights attrocities in China and all the fun Stalin had in the good 'ol 
> USSR. Simple, basic tribalism much akin to a football supporter - my team 
> commits a foul "he played the ball", their team commits a foul 
> "refereeeeeee, send 'im off".  Its as simple as that.

It's your analysis of my response which is simple.  Your original comment 
was "Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they 
agree with most of what we say." [See above]  I was taking issue with that 
statement - I hardly ever find myself agreeing with what you say.  Your 
unwarranted assertion about my views on human rights is as erroneous as most 
of your other observations.

-- 
Harry Keane

"Harry Keane"  wrote in message 
news:f7Ysk.35536$_M4.5270@newsfe18.ams2...
> "The Hatter"  wrote in message 
> news:697a2$48b3d6d0$31925@news.teranews.com...
>>
>> "Toooldtocare"  wrote in message 
>> news:o_GdnU69ZdaALyzVRVnyvwA@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "Harry Keane"  wrote in message 
>>> news:UGfsk.94174$D01.39934@newsfe17.ams2...
>>>> "The Hatter"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:75aa$48b18133$3492@news.teranews.com...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Surely this episode is the final nail in the coffin of identity 
>>>>>> cards. This government, any government, cannot be trusted with 
>>>>>> personal information. I think we've "learned a lesson", and that is 
>>>>>> governments may be able to philosophise but putting their philosophy 
>>>>>> into practice is quite another story. MP's are not managers, most are 
>>>>>> doctors, accountants, teachers, lawyers, social workers; there are 
>>>>>> very few who have been industrialists. Consequently they are good at 
>>>>>> talking but couldn't manage a chip shop let alone the huge government 
>>>>>> departments. I'm always amazed at their arrogance thinking they 
>>>>>> could. Plonkers, the lot of 'em!
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they 
>>>>> agree with most of what we say.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I don't agree, certainly not on this issue, or with much else 
>>>> that you say for that matter.
>>>
>>> Whaddya mean, you don't agree? You think it is alright to lose personal 
>>> data and MPs are born managers? :-)
>>>
>>> And in all seriousness, this couldn't care less attitude about personal 
>>> data seems very peculiar to me. I wouldn't want the world and his wife 
>>> to see my bank account details, my medical records, my phone and text 
>>> records, etc. Would you?
>>
>> It seems that anything that a socialist govt does is ok according to 
>> Harry as long as it is a socialist govt doing it.  I suspect that 
>> includes human rights attrocities in China and all the fun Stalin had in 
>> the good 'ol USSR. Simple, basic tribalism much akin to a football 
>> supporter - my team commits a foul "he played the ball", their team 
>> commits a foul "refereeeeeee, send 'im off".  Its as simple as that.
>
> It's your analysis of my response which is simple.  Your original comment 
> was "Clearly everyone else agrees with us.  I get the feeling that they 
> agree with most of what we say." [See above]  I was taking issue with that 
> statement - I hardly ever find myself agreeing with what you say.  Your 
> unwarranted assertion about my views on human rights is as erroneous as 
> most of your other observations.

hmmm, so i'm right then.... again. 


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **