Are there proper jobs anymore? I cannot think of any in the Old Labour 
meaning of the word. There are no shipbuilders, miners, milling and lathe 
operators, plumbers and electricians, farm labourers, textile workers, car 
workers, paper mill workers, factory workers, etc.

I saw that upstart New Labour twit David Millipede on the telly last night 
calling for Labour unity because some Old Labour oiks have had the nerve 
to protest about the 10% income tax level being abolished. Damn cheek, he 
has only just left school and certainly has never had a proper job. I can 
imagine what Roy Hattersley and his mates would have said in the past to 
calls for unity from such an upstart.

As an after thought I have just looked up his biography. It seems he got a 
grade D in Physics "A" level which was sufficient to get him to Oxford 
where he got a first in PPE! Far from having a proper job it appears he 
has had no job at all worthy of the name. God help us!

"Not Today"  wrote

> Are there proper jobs anymore? I cannot think of any in the Old Labour 
> meaning of the word. There are no shipbuilders, miners, milling and lathe 
> operators, plumbers and electricians, farm labourers, textile workers, car 
> workers, paper mill workers, factory workers, etc.

I drive an articulated lorry and I guess by your definition, that's a proper 
job.


-- 
Regards, Vince.

Snowdonia trucking POV- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_qusgJlk3M

"Not Today"  wrote in message 
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> Are there proper jobs anymore? I cannot think of any in the Old Labour 
> meaning of the word. There are no shipbuilders, miners, milling and lathe 
> operators, plumbers and electricians, farm labourers, textile workers, car 
> workers, paper mill workers, factory workers, etc.
>
> I saw that upstart New Labour twit David Millipede on the telly last night 
> calling for Labour unity because some Old Labour oiks have had the nerve 
> to protest about the 10% income tax level being abolished. Damn cheek, he 
> has only just left school and certainly has never had a proper job. I can 
> imagine what Roy Hattersley and his mates would have said in the past to 
> calls for unity from such an upstart.
>
> As an after thought I have just looked up his biography. It seems he got a 
> grade D in Physics "A" level which was sufficient to get him to Oxford 
> where he got a first in PPE! Far from having a proper job it appears he 
> has had no job at all worthy of the name. God help us!

That irksome, snail of a man is tipped for the top isn't he, or is that the 
even more vile, Nick Griffin lookalike, Ed Balls?

Anyway, yes you're right and I have a theory.  I actually saw a job advert 
for that bastion of the "real job", the ocean, tonight in the paper.  I'm 
talking about "the sea", me hearties - where men are men (and for the sake 
of gender relations women are women) and dolphins are always smiling.  The 
local paper was advertising "roles" (because we don't get jobs anymore) 
working on dredgers.  I've always fancied the idea of going to sea, so I had 
a look.  They were after an able seaman - i'm able, i could be a seaman. 
Reading down it says;

You must be a qualified able seaman with current ENG1

So i cant turn up at the dockside and say i'm able but would like to learn 
the ropes.  I have to go to college and do courses and take tests and tick 
boxes and all of that nauseating rubbish that someone like me can't stand 
doing.

I guess the point i'm making is that you can't just go and get a job now and 
become something you never thought you'd be.  How can you find your 
direction in life if you can't try things out without doing a year or two at 
some college?  People should fall into their vocation by accident after a 
process of fulfilling discovery.  They learn what they're good at and what 
they're bad at.  They discover something they love doing that they can get 
paid for.  Now kids are marked and measured and tested and made to decide 
what they are going to do when they are 13 years old!!!!  I didn't even know 
what socks to wear when i was 13.

Regulation, me hearties - the enemy of the entrepreneurial spirit, nemesis 
of freedom of expression and the chance to try, learn and experience.  And 
of course, we've never been so regulated, tested, monitored and audited as 
we are today.  All of life's adventure has been stolen by the grey, boring 
men that want us to hold licences for just about everything.  All the 
excitement of life has been blocked by some official that takes glee in 
forever telling us what we *can't* do.  And just look at us for it. A more 
disillusioned, uncaring, aimless public you couldn't find.

Maybe you don't see yourself in that description but I think a lot of people 
will.

I'm not a Lost fan anymore but i really liked that character John Locke 
who's catchphrase became "don't tell me what I can't do".  Its about time 
this Country started saying the same thing. 


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"The (new improved) Hatter"  wrote



> You must be a qualified able seaman with current ENG1

> So i cant turn up at the dockside and say i'm able but would like to learn 
> the ropes.




You used to be able to, same as in my job, but you can't anymore. I'm 
ambivalent about this. On the one hand it takes the spontenaiety out of 
life, on the other hand it probably makes life easier and safer.

-- 
Regards, Vince.

Snowdonia trucking POV- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_qusgJlk3M

"Knight Of The Road"  wrote in message
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>
> "The (new improved) Hatter" 
> wrote
>
>
>
>> You must be a qualified able seaman with current ENG1
>
>> So i cant turn up at the dockside and say i'm able but would like to
>> learn the ropes.
>
>
>
>
> You used to be able to, same as in my job, but you can't anymore. I'm
> ambivalent about this. On the one hand it takes the spontenaiety out of
> life, on the other hand it probably makes life easier and safer.

And that is good is it? I do not want life to be easier and safer for that
way I will vegetate on my backside for most of it, the way it appears a
large section of the population is already doing.

"Not Today"  wrote

> And that is good is it? I do not want life to be easier and safer for that
> way


Well, for example it's probably better that you can't just turn up at 
Ashford and say "Go on Mister, I could drive a train"   ;-)


-- 
Regards, Vince.

Snowdonia trucking POV- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_qusgJlk3M

"The (new improved) Hatter"  wrote
in message news:9150c$480e28c6$24372@news.teranews.com...
>
> "Not Today"  wrote in message
> news:1qfn40.71c.19.1@news.alt.net...
>> I saw that upstart New Labour twit David Millipede on the telly last
>> night calling for Labour unity because some Old Labour oiks have had
>> the nerve to protest about the 10% income tax level being abolished.
>> Damn cheek, he has only just left school and certainly has never had a
>> proper job. I can imagine what Roy Hattersley and his mates would have
>> said in the past to calls for unity from such an upstart.
>>
>> As an after thought I have just looked up his biography. It seems he
>> got a grade D in Physics "A" level which was sufficient to get him to
>> Oxford where he got a first in PPE! Far from having a proper job it
>> appears he has had no job at all worthy of the name. God help us!
>
> That irksome, snail of a man is tipped for the top isn't he, or is that
> the even more vile, Nick Griffin lookalike, Ed Balls?

Yes, tipped for the top! lol

And Ed Balls, I read that Jack Straw threatened to punch him on the nose
the other day. Good for Jack.

> Anyway, yes you're right and I have a theory.  I actually saw a job
> advert for that bastion of the "real job", the ocean, tonight in the
> paper.  I'm talking about "the sea", me hearties - where men are men
> (and for the sake of gender relations women are women) and dolphins are
> always smiling.  The local paper was advertising "roles" (because we
> don't get jobs anymore) working on dredgers.  I've always fancied the
> idea of going to sea, so I had a look.  They were after an able seaman -
> i'm able, i could be a seaman. Reading down it says;
>
> You must be a qualified able seaman with current ENG1
>
> So i cant turn up at the dockside and say i'm able but would like to
> learn the ropes.  I have to go to college and do courses and take tests
> and tick boxes and all of that nauseating rubbish that someone like me
> can't stand doing.
>
> I guess the point i'm making is that you can't just go and get a job now
> and become something you never thought you'd be.  How can you find your
> direction in life if you can't try things out without doing a year or
> two at some college?  People should fall into their vocation by accident
> after a process of fulfilling discovery.  They learn what they're good
> at and what they're bad at.  They discover something they love doing
> that they can get paid for.  Now kids are marked and measured and tested
> and made to decide what they are going to do when they are 13 years
> old!!!!  I didn't even know what socks to wear when i was 13.
>
> Regulation, me hearties - the enemy of the entrepreneurial spirit,
> nemesis of freedom of expression and the chance to try, learn and
> experience.  And of course, we've never been so regulated, tested,
> monitored and audited as we are today.  All of life's adventure has been
> stolen by the grey, boring men that want us to hold licences for just
> about everything.  All the excitement of life has been blocked by some
> official that takes glee in forever telling us what we *can't* do.  And
> just look at us for it. A more disillusioned, uncaring, aimless public
> you couldn't find.
>
> Maybe you don't see yourself in that description but I think a lot of
> people will.

Certainly disillusioned. It is getting more and more difficult for an Alan
Sugar type to make it now (not that I have any pretentions in that
direction). Talking of whom, The Apprentice has to be the best thing on
telly to demonstrate how thick the "highly educated" are these days. No
common sense, no logical thinking, an inability to plan, incapable of
empathy with their customers, totally clueless about buying
and selling, and convinced that bullshit and lies are all that is needed
to be a successful "businessman".However, it is all that is needed to be
part of the New Labour elite of whom most of the contestants appear to be
clones. Watching Alan Sugar taking them apart is worth the tv licence.

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>
>
> "Not Today"  wrote
>
>> And that is good is it? I do not want life to be easier and safer for 
>> that
>> way
>
>
> Well, for example it's probably better that you can't just turn up at 
> Ashford and say "Go on Mister, I could drive a train"   ;-)

yes, but wouldn't it be nice if you could turn up at Ashford and say "Go on 
Mister, teach me to drive this train". 


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