That is a joke. News reports announce that 600,000 personal records of 
servicemen have gone "missing" from a laptop "stolen" from a Navy officer. 
How the hell could that happen after the HMRC debacle?

Is it not time this government fell on its sword?

Corrupt, incompetent, sleazy, financially naive, and catastrophic! We are 
heading for a depression the like of which we have not seen since the 
1930s and Brown thinks it is all ok!

10 years of credit expansion and buying an easy life for Labour is going 
to bankrupt 80% of the population. Scottish Equitable have frozen their 
property funds for withdrawals for a year, pensions have already gone down 
the tube, savings are close behind, house prices are heading south, gas 
prices are heading north, yet Peter Hain still has a tan! Yep, Peter Hain, 
that ant-apartheid icon of the 70s who tried to become important by taking 
secret donations from a pro-apartheid white South African diamond 
merchant.

Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they formed 
the Labour party? It is sickening!

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> That is a joke. News reports announce that 600,000 personal records of 
> servicemen have gone "missing" from a laptop "stolen" from a Navy officer. 
> How the hell could that happen after the HMRC debacle?
>
> Is it not time this government fell on its sword?
>
> Corrupt, incompetent, sleazy, financially naive, and catastrophic! We are 
> heading for a depression the like of which we have not seen since the 
> 1930s and Brown thinks it is all ok!
>
> 10 years of credit expansion and buying an easy life for Labour is going 
> to bankrupt 80% of the population. Scottish Equitable have frozen their 
> property funds for withdrawals for a year, pensions have already gone down 
> the tube, savings are close behind, house prices are heading south, gas 
> prices are heading north, yet Peter Hain still has a tan! Yep, Peter Hain, 
> that ant-apartheid icon of the 70s who tried to become important by taking 
> secret donations from a pro-apartheid white South African diamond 
> merchant.
>
> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they formed 
> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>
>
>
 Did they call your Great Grandfather Herbert Morrison?

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 We are
>> heading for a depression the like of which we have not seen since the 
>> 1930s and Brown thinks it is all ok!

Can you provide the data to support your supposition?

. Scottish Equitable have frozen their
>> property funds for withdrawals for a year,


Six months init

>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they formed 
>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>
>>
>>
> Did they call your Great Grandfather Herbert Morrison?

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>> That is a joke. News reports announce that 600,000 personal records of
>> servicemen have gone "missing" from a laptop "stolen" from a Navy
>> officer. How the hell could that happen after the HMRC debacle?
>>
>> Is it not time this government fell on its sword?
>>
>> Corrupt, incompetent, sleazy, financially naive, and catastrophic! We
>> are heading for a depression the like of which we have not seen since
>> the 1930s and Brown thinks it is all ok!
>>
>> 10 years of credit expansion and buying an easy life for Labour is
>> going to bankrupt 80% of the population. Scottish Equitable have frozen
>> their property funds for withdrawals for a year, pensions have already
>> gone down the tube, savings are close behind, house prices are heading
>> south, gas prices are heading north, yet Peter Hain still has a tan!
>> Yep, Peter Hain, that ant-apartheid icon of the 70s who tried to become
>> important by taking secret donations from a pro-apartheid white South
>> African diamond merchant.
>>
>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they formed
>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>
>>
>>
> Did they call your Great Grandfather Herbert Morrison?

If they did that would make me the son of Peter Mandelson and that is not
very likely do you think?

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>
>
> We are
>>> heading for a depression the like of which we have not seen since the
>>> 1930s and Brown thinks it is all ok!
>
> Can you provide the data to support your supposition?

Elliott Wave Theory! If you do not know what that is read The Elliot Wave
Principle by Frost and Prechter. It links social psychology to economics,
it is always right. If you want to prepare yourself for the coming
depression read Conquer the Crash by Robert Prechter. It is a bit late
though, the FT100 index is already down 20% in the last 3 months. Think
what that has done to pension funds and ordinary people's investments. And
when the market "rebounds" this week or next, do not be fooled, markets on
the way down always do that.

>
> . Scottish Equitable have frozen their
>>> property funds for withdrawals for a year,
>
>
> Six months init

Scottish Widows is 6 months, Scottish Equitable is up to a year from the
reports I have read. Sounds a bit like the first stages of the Equitable
Life debacle to me. It is a sign of the times. The stock exchange crashes,
that always preceeds an economic down-turn. If we get a depression rather
than a recession then a bank crashes, then private and commercial property
crashes, etc. Oh dear, all those things have already happened!

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>>>
>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they formed
>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>
>>
I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the candidate 
is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to his bint, gets her 
domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace and favour cottage on The 
Dukes of Devonshire estate while the majority of the people in his 
constituency live in run down sink estates with some of the highest levels 
of poverty and crime in the U.K. most of which are the result of his 
policies in the early 1980s.

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>>>>
>>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they formed
>>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>>
>>>
> I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the candidate 
> is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to his bint, gets 
> her domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace and favour cottage on 
> The Dukes of Devonshire estate while the majority of the people in his 
> constituency live in run down sink estates with some of the highest levels 
> of poverty and crime in the U.K. most of which are the result of his 
> policies in the early 1980s.

I don't know where you live, but on my planet the Tories were in power from 
1979 to 1997, which period, in case you hadn't noticed, included the early 
1980's.
-- 
Harry Keane

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>>>>
>>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they
>>>> formed
>>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>>
>>>
> I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the
> candidate is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to his
> bint, gets her domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace and
> favour cottage on The Dukes of Devonshire estate while the majority of
> the people in his constituency live in run down sink estates with some
> of the highest levels of poverty and crime in the U.K. most of which are
> the result of his policies in the early 1980s.

 Ah, there is none so blind as the blind is there?

For hypocrites par excellence, take the Right Dishonourable Peter Hain.
The darling of the left and anti-apartheid leader in the 70s, decides,
when he is a minister in HMG, that he should be deputy Prime Minister no
less. So how does he go about that? Takes money from a pro-apartheid
diamond merchant. Forget about whether it was legal or not, that is not a
surprise, we have got used to illegality with this lot.
What is a surprise is that he of all people should do it. And he doesn't
seem embarrassed. Nor does Brown.

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>>>>>
>>>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they 
>>>>> formed
>>>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>>>
>>>>
>> I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the 
>> candidate is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to his 
>> bint, gets her domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace and 
>> favour cottage on The Dukes of Devonshire estate while the majority of 
>> the people in his constituency live in run down sink estates with some 
>> of the highest levels of poverty and crime in the U.K. most of which 
>> are the result of his policies in the early 1980s.
>
> I don't know where you live, but on my planet the Tories were in power 
> from 1979 to 1997, which period, in case you hadn't noticed, included 
> the early 1980's.

The Socialist Republic of Sheffield. Blunkett! Wake up Harry!

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>>>>>
>>>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they 
>>>>> formed
>>>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>>>
>>>>
>> I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the 
>> candidate is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to his 
>> bint, gets her domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace and 
>> favour cottage on The Dukes of Devonshire estate while the majority of 
>> the people in his constituency live in run down sink estates with some of 
>> the highest levels of poverty and crime in the U.K. most of which are the 
>> result of his policies in the early 1980s.
>
> I don't know where you live, but on my planet the Tories were in power 
> from 1979 to 1997, which period, in case you hadn't noticed, included the 
> early 1980's.


Peoples Rebublic of South Yorkshire comrade and in particular the shithole 
that is Sheffield

I'm on about Blunkett.  He served on Sheffield City Council from 1970 to 
1988, becoming Leader from 1980 to 1987 and on South Yorkshire County 
Council from 1973 to 1977. X leader of  Sheffield city council. Ex Home 
Secretary. Ex eductaiton minister  and ex socialist and hopefully at the 
next election ex MP who along with most of BLiars cronies soon ditched their 
beliefs when they got their snouts in the trough.

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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they 
>>>>>> formed
>>>>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the 
>>> candidate is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to his 
>>> bint, gets her domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace and 
>>> favour cottage on The Dukes of Devonshire estate while the majority of 
>>> the people in his constituency live in run down sink estates with some 
>>> of the highest levels of poverty and crime in the U.K. most of which are 
>>> the result of his policies in the early 1980s.
>>
>> I don't know where you live, but on my planet the Tories were in power 
>> from 1979 to 1997, which period, in case you hadn't noticed, included the 
>> early 1980's.
>
> The Socialist Republic of Sheffield. Blunkett! Wake up Harry!

Yes, yes, I did realise that...  You miss my point - whatever Blunkett's 
policies were in the 1980's, he was in no position to impose them on the 
good people of Sheffield, because the Tories were in power.  Thatcher's 
government, while trumpeting the virtues of democracy abroad (e.g., in 
Poland) were stripping powers from democratically-elected local authorities 
and restricting their authority to spend money on, among many other things, 
Council housing. If you speak to most housing professionals who served 
during that period, they would probably point to the early 1980's as being 
the point at which social housing underwent a major change, mainly for the 
worse. Millions were lavished on Housing Associations in order to build new 
social housing, while local councils were forced to sell off their houses 
and were prevented from spending the receipts from sales to improve their 
remaining stock or build any replacements - all of this to shift control of 
social housing away from local democratic control and into the hands of the 
private sector and unelected bodies.  Couple bad housing with high 
unemployment, caused in large part by the failure to support the 
manufacturing sector and the wilful destruction of the mining industry, with 
the prospect of life on the dole and it's little wonder that high levels of 
poverty and crime were the result.  How was that the responsibility of David 
Blunkett?
-- 
Harry Keane

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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hypocrites! Is this what our great grandfathers wanted when they
>>>>>>> formed
>>>>>>> the Labour party? It is sickening!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I agree ( sort of) Where I live people vote Labour even when the
>>>> candidate is a serial adulterer who gives away free rail tickets to
>>>> his bint, gets her domestic a visa and then finds himself   a grace
>>>> and favour cottage on The Dukes of Devonshire estate while the
>>>> majority of the people in his constituency live in run down sink
>>>> estates with some of the highest levels of poverty and crime in the
>>>> U.K. most of which are the result of his policies in the early 1980s.
>>>
>>> I don't know where you live, but on my planet the Tories were in power
>>> from 1979 to 1997, which period, in case you hadn't noticed, included
>>> the early 1980's.
>>
>> The Socialist Republic of Sheffield. Blunkett! Wake up Harry!
>
> Yes, yes, I did realise that...  You miss my point - whatever Blunkett's
> policies were in the 1980's, he was in no position to impose them on the
> good people of Sheffield, because the Tories were in power.  Thatcher's
> government, while trumpeting the virtues of democracy abroad (e.g., in
> Poland) were stripping powers from democratically-elected local
> authorities and restricting their authority to spend money on, among
> many other things, Council housing. If you speak to most housing
> professionals who served during that period, they would probably point
> to the early 1980's as being the point at which social housing underwent
> a major change, mainly for the worse. Millions were lavished on Housing
> Associations in order to build new social housing, while local councils
> were forced to sell off their houses and were prevented from spending
> the receipts from sales to improve their remaining stock or build any
> replacements - all of this to shift control of social housing away from
> local democratic control and into the hands of the private sector and
> unelected bodies.  Couple bad housing with high unemployment, caused in
> large part by the failure to support the manufacturing sector and the
> wilful destruction of the mining industry, with the prospect of life on
> the dole and it's little wonder that high levels of poverty and crime
> were the result.  How was that the responsibility of David Blunkett?

Or Derek Hatton and his Trotskyist Tendency in Liverpool I suppose? Maybe
the comparison of New Labour with Soviet Russia is more valid than I
thought for this is akin to a Stalinist re-writing of history. It is
convenient to forget the economic shambles this country was in in 1979.
The unions had run their writ for years, Healey had recently gone to the
IMF, cap in hand, asking for a survival loan. British Leyland had been
broken by Red Robbo, the miners had been bought off twice with ridiculous
wage increases, rubbish was piled high in the streets, bodies could not
get buried, inflation was 20%+ and heading north, and there was a general
sense of anarchy everywhere. In spite of this shambles, Thatcher's
government showed some backbone and took some pretty painful decisions
and stopped the rot. The miners decided that King Arthur was more
important than the government and thereby committed suicide, inefficient
state monopolies were disposed off, and income tax was reduced from
90% plus to 40% maximum. But the single biggest action the government
took to lift ordinary folk out of the unambitious trap they were born into
was to offer them the chance to buy their own council houses. At a single
stroke this enabled ordinary people to have a stake in the prosperity that
had previously been the preserve of the middle classes.
And if Thatcher's housing policy was so bad why have New Labour not built
millions of social houses? It cannot be because they were short of money.
They found £30 billion plus for Northern Rock, £1billion for the Dome and
£13 billion for the Olympics, so where was the problem?
As for manufacturing going down the tubes it has been doing so since the
60s and shows no signs of slowing down. Indeed we are exporting what is
left of it to India and China.

Finally, if we accept Harry's proposition that local councils cannot be
faulted as they are controlled by central government, then we know who to
blame for the 100% increase in council tax since Labour came to power.