A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.

The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.

* In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
affordable housing by claiming there was a secret ‘Africans for Essex’
scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
the area.
* In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
become a mosque.
* In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
* In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.


The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words

On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
one has left our land."

On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
with. It just creates a bad image."

On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
making notes in the margins… I remember thinking, are the Jews really
that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
organisation there are some really useful ideas there."

On democracy: “[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan ‘Defend
Rights for Whites’ with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate.”

On the Soho pub bombings: “The TV footage of dozens of ‘gay’
demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world’s
journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
so repulsive.”

"HJ"  wrote in message 
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>
> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>
> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> the area.
> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
> become a mosque.
> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>
>
> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>
> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> one has left our land."
>
> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
> with. It just creates a bad image."
>
> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>
> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>
> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
> so repulsive."

Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
to serve.
Regards,
A desperate voter.

Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."
> 
> Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
> took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
> parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
> much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
> because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
> worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
> get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
> BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
> to serve.
> Regards,
> A desperate voter. 
> 
> 
thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just 
want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course 
you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.

In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that the work
is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well as they could
be.

After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being the
most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of policies and
then mostly forgotten about.

This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee parties
are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

Porridge Wog wrote:

> The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
> 'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.
> 
> In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that
> the work is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well
> as they could be.
> 
> After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being
> the most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of
> policies and then mostly forgotten about.
> 
> This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee
> parties are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

True enough. Of course if the current government is so against the BNP
and other small parties, why don't they get their cronies to do things
like,,,,,, stop their bank accounts?

--

think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.
"kj"  wrote in message
news:qeGdnYONlrlPHb7bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@bt.com...
> Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> > "HJ"  wrote in message
> > news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> >> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> >>
> >> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> >> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other
parties
> >> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
> >>
> >> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> >> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> >> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> >> the area.
> >> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going
to
> >> become a mosque.
> >> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> >> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> >> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret
deal
> >> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
> >>
> >>
> >> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
> >>
> >> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> >> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration
and
> >> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> >> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> >> one has left our land."
> >>
> >> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> >> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to
deal
> >> with. It just creates a bad image."
> >>
> >> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> >> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> >> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> >> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
> >>
> >> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> >> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> >> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> >> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
> >>
> >> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> >> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> >> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these
creatures
> >> so repulsive."
> >
> > Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that
> > took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other
> > parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice &
not
> > much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply
> > because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get
any
> > worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will
never
> > get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise
in
> > BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are
supposed
> > to serve.
> > Regards,
> > A desperate voter.
> >
> >
> thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just
> want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course
> you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

"sir farte"  wrote in message 
news:oa6Vh.983$G64.75@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.

The sad thing is, they don't seem to be any worse than the others :(

"Capt. Beefheart"  wrote in message 
news:T4IUh.44203$ne6.3421@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."

There's one thing worse than extremist right wing parties pretending to care 
about social issues and that's leftist extremists who, rather than state any 
of their own policies use the good old fashioned marxist solution of digging 
up dirt for propaganda and if they can't find any they'll make it up .... 
like communism has never got embroiled in making people disappear, torture 
and execution or the victimisation of minority groups.

Aren't we all just pissed off enough with Labour's mind games and media 
control?  Take it some place else lefty.  Your time is up.

"HJ"  wrote in message
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.

A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.

If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
(ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
campaigning.

"HJ"  wrote in message 
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>
> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>
> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> the area.
> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
> become a mosque.
> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>
>
> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>
> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> one has left our land."
>
> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
> with. It just creates a bad image."
>
> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>
> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>
> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
> so repulsive."

Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
to serve.
Regards,
A desperate voter.

Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."
> 
> Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
> took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
> parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
> much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
> because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
> worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
> get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
> BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
> to serve.
> Regards,
> A desperate voter. 
> 
> 
thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just 
want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course 
you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.

In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that the work
is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well as they could
be.

After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being the
most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of policies and
then mostly forgotten about.

This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee parties
are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

Porridge Wog wrote:

> The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
> 'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.
> 
> In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that
> the work is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well
> as they could be.
> 
> After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being
> the most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of
> policies and then mostly forgotten about.
> 
> This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee
> parties are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

True enough. Of course if the current government is so against the BNP
and other small parties, why don't they get their cronies to do things
like,,,,,, stop their bank accounts?

--

think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.
"kj"  wrote in message
news:qeGdnYONlrlPHb7bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@bt.com...
> Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> > "HJ"  wrote in message
> > news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> >> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> >>
> >> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> >> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other
parties
> >> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
> >>
> >> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> >> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> >> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> >> the area.
> >> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going
to
> >> become a mosque.
> >> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> >> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> >> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret
deal
> >> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
> >>
> >>
> >> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
> >>
> >> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> >> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration
and
> >> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> >> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> >> one has left our land."
> >>
> >> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> >> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to
deal
> >> with. It just creates a bad image."
> >>
> >> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> >> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> >> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> >> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
> >>
> >> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> >> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> >> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> >> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
> >>
> >> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> >> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> >> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these
creatures
> >> so repulsive."
> >
> > Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that
> > took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other
> > parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice &
not
> > much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply
> > because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get
any
> > worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will
never
> > get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise
in
> > BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are
supposed
> > to serve.
> > Regards,
> > A desperate voter.
> >
> >
> thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just
> want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course
> you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

"sir farte"  wrote in message 
news:oa6Vh.983$G64.75@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.

The sad thing is, they don't seem to be any worse than the others :(

"Capt. Beefheart"  wrote in message 
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>
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."

There's one thing worse than extremist right wing parties pretending to care 
about social issues and that's leftist extremists who, rather than state any 
of their own policies use the good old fashioned marxist solution of digging 
up dirt for propaganda and if they can't find any they'll make it up .... 
like communism has never got embroiled in making people disappear, torture 
and execution or the victimisation of minority groups.

Aren't we all just pissed off enough with Labour's mind games and media 
control?  Take it some place else lefty.  Your time is up.

"HJ"  wrote in message
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.

A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.

If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
(ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
campaigning.

Not Today wrote:
> 
> "HJ"  wrote in message
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> 
> A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.
> 
> If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
> might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
> concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
> shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
> (ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
> Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
> ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
> they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
> campaigning.
> 
> 
don't talk shit.....they mask up all the time..especially if the press 
or TV are there....ever been on a demo when they get the shit kicked out 
of them for being nazi goosetepping scum...I have.  Anyway their 
bootboys with shaved heads and dms are all gay and look the same.  They 
wouldn't know a real skinhead if one smacked them around the head (as 
they would)

"HJ"  wrote in message 
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>
> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>
> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> the area.
> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
> become a mosque.
> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>
>
> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>
> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> one has left our land."
>
> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
> with. It just creates a bad image."
>
> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>
> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>
> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
> so repulsive."

Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
to serve.
Regards,
A desperate voter.

Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."
> 
> Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
> took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
> parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
> much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
> because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
> worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
> get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
> BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
> to serve.
> Regards,
> A desperate voter. 
> 
> 
thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just 
want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course 
you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.

In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that the work
is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well as they could
be.

After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being the
most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of policies and
then mostly forgotten about.

This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee parties
are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

Porridge Wog wrote:

> The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
> 'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.
> 
> In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that
> the work is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well
> as they could be.
> 
> After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being
> the most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of
> policies and then mostly forgotten about.
> 
> This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee
> parties are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

True enough. Of course if the current government is so against the BNP
and other small parties, why don't they get their cronies to do things
like,,,,,, stop their bank accounts?

--

think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.
"kj"  wrote in message
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> Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> > "HJ"  wrote in message
> > news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> >> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> >>
> >> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> >> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other
parties
> >> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
> >>
> >> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> >> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> >> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> >> the area.
> >> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going
to
> >> become a mosque.
> >> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> >> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> >> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret
deal
> >> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
> >>
> >>
> >> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
> >>
> >> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> >> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration
and
> >> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> >> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> >> one has left our land."
> >>
> >> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> >> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to
deal
> >> with. It just creates a bad image."
> >>
> >> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> >> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> >> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> >> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
> >>
> >> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> >> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> >> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> >> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
> >>
> >> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> >> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> >> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these
creatures
> >> so repulsive."
> >
> > Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that
> > took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other
> > parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice &
not
> > much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply
> > because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get
any
> > worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will
never
> > get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise
in
> > BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are
supposed
> > to serve.
> > Regards,
> > A desperate voter.
> >
> >
> thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just
> want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course
> you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

"sir farte"  wrote in message 
news:oa6Vh.983$G64.75@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.

The sad thing is, they don't seem to be any worse than the others :(

"Capt. Beefheart"  wrote in message 
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>
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."

There's one thing worse than extremist right wing parties pretending to care 
about social issues and that's leftist extremists who, rather than state any 
of their own policies use the good old fashioned marxist solution of digging 
up dirt for propaganda and if they can't find any they'll make it up .... 
like communism has never got embroiled in making people disappear, torture 
and execution or the victimisation of minority groups.

Aren't we all just pissed off enough with Labour's mind games and media 
control?  Take it some place else lefty.  Your time is up.

"HJ"  wrote in message
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.

A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.

If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
(ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
campaigning.

Not Today wrote:
> 
> "HJ"  wrote in message
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> 
> A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.
> 
> If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
> might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
> concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
> shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
> (ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
> Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
> ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
> they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
> campaigning.
> 
> 
don't talk shit.....they mask up all the time..especially if the press 
or TV are there....ever been on a demo when they get the shit kicked out 
of them for being nazi goosetepping scum...I have.  Anyway their 
bootboys with shaved heads and dms are all gay and look the same.  They 
wouldn't know a real skinhead if one smacked them around the head (as 
they would)

"HJ"  wrote in message 
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>
> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>
> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> the area.
> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
> become a mosque.
> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>
>
> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>
> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> one has left our land."
>
> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
> with. It just creates a bad image."
>
> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>
> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>
> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
> so repulsive."

Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
to serve.
Regards,
A desperate voter.

Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."
> 
> Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
> took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
> parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
> much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
> because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
> worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
> get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
> BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
> to serve.
> Regards,
> A desperate voter. 
> 
> 
thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just 
want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course 
you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.

In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that the work
is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well as they could
be.

After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being the
most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of policies and
then mostly forgotten about.

This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee parties
are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

Porridge Wog wrote:

> The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
> 'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.
> 
> In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that
> the work is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well
> as they could be.
> 
> After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being
> the most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of
> policies and then mostly forgotten about.
> 
> This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee
> parties are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

True enough. Of course if the current government is so against the BNP
and other small parties, why don't they get their cronies to do things
like,,,,,, stop their bank accounts?

--

think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.
"kj"  wrote in message
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> Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> > "HJ"  wrote in message
> > news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> >> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> >>
> >> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> >> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other
parties
> >> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
> >>
> >> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> >> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> >> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> >> the area.
> >> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going
to
> >> become a mosque.
> >> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> >> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> >> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret
deal
> >> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
> >>
> >>
> >> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
> >>
> >> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> >> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration
and
> >> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> >> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> >> one has left our land."
> >>
> >> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> >> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to
deal
> >> with. It just creates a bad image."
> >>
> >> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> >> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> >> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> >> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
> >>
> >> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> >> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> >> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> >> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
> >>
> >> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> >> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> >> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these
creatures
> >> so repulsive."
> >
> > Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that
> > took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other
> > parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice &
not
> > much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply
> > because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get
any
> > worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will
never
> > get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise
in
> > BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are
supposed
> > to serve.
> > Regards,
> > A desperate voter.
> >
> >
> thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just
> want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course
> you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

"sir farte"  wrote in message 
news:oa6Vh.983$G64.75@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.

The sad thing is, they don't seem to be any worse than the others :(

"Capt. Beefheart"  wrote in message 
news:T4IUh.44203$ne6.3421@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."

There's one thing worse than extremist right wing parties pretending to care 
about social issues and that's leftist extremists who, rather than state any 
of their own policies use the good old fashioned marxist solution of digging 
up dirt for propaganda and if they can't find any they'll make it up .... 
like communism has never got embroiled in making people disappear, torture 
and execution or the victimisation of minority groups.

Aren't we all just pissed off enough with Labour's mind games and media 
control?  Take it some place else lefty.  Your time is up.

"HJ"  wrote in message
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.

A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.

If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
(ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
campaigning.

Not Today wrote:
> 
> "HJ"  wrote in message
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the ‘big lie’. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> 
> A bit like the Liberal Democrats then.
> 
> If you had stated what organisation you represent or support your message
> might have been more credible. If it's Antiwar.co.uk then as far as I'm
> concerned you have self-destructed.On that organisation's website it
> shows a photo of a "demo". In it one of the marchers has his face masked,
> (ready for action?)  and his mate holds a banner proclaiming Socialist
> Worker. The Socialist Worker (sic) is by far the biggest bunch of fascists
> ever allowed to walk our streets. I don't care for the BNP but at least
> they have the courage of their convictions and don't mask their faces when
> campaigning.
> 
> 
don't talk shit.....they mask up all the time..especially if the press 
or TV are there....ever been on a demo when they get the shit kicked out 
of them for being nazi goosetepping scum...I have.  Anyway their 
bootboys with shaved heads and dms are all gay and look the same.  They 
wouldn't know a real skinhead if one smacked them around the head (as 
they would)

"HJ"  wrote in message 
news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>
> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>
> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> the area.
> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
> become a mosque.
> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>
>
> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>
> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> one has left our land."
>
> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
> with. It just creates a bad image."
>
> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>
> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>
> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
> so repulsive."

Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
to serve.
Regards,
A desperate voter.

Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."
> 
> Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that 
> took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other 
> parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice & not 
> much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply 
> because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get any 
> worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will never 
> get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise in 
> BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are supposed 
> to serve.
> Regards,
> A desperate voter. 
> 
> 
thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just 
want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course 
you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.

In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that the work
is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well as they could
be.

After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being the
most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of policies and
then mostly forgotten about.

This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee parties
are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

Porridge Wog wrote:

> The problem is, the incumbent government seem to be so ineffective and
> 'wrong' that people are looking for a 'viable alternative'.
> 
> In 97 Labour did such a good job of destroying the Tory image, that
> the work is still done, that is, the Tories are not regarded as well
> as they could be.
> 
> After the Tories are all the fringe parties, with the liberals being
> the most prominent of them, all of them will get a 5 minute scan of
> policies and then mostly forgotten about.
> 
> This is the big advantage of the English electoral system, the wee
> parties are mostly shunted out into the sidings.

True enough. Of course if the current government is so against the BNP
and other small parties, why don't they get their cronies to do things
like,,,,,, stop their bank accounts?

--

think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.
"kj"  wrote in message
news:qeGdnYONlrlPHb7bnZ2dnUVZ8tXinZ2d@bt.com...
> Capt. Beefheart wrote:
> > "HJ"  wrote in message
> > news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> >> A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
> >> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
> >>
> >> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
> >> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other
parties
> >> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
> >>
> >> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
> >> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
> >> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
> >> the area.
> >> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going
to
> >> become a mosque.
> >> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
> >> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
> >> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret
deal
> >> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
> >>
> >>
> >> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
> >>
> >> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
> >> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration
and
> >> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
> >> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
> >> one has left our land."
> >>
> >> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
> >> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to
deal
> >> with. It just creates a bad image."
> >>
> >> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
> >> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
> >> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
> >> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
> >>
> >> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
> >> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
> >> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
> >> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
> >>
> >> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
> >> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
> >> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these
creatures
> >> so repulsive."
> >
> > Show me a party that does not lie! Don't forget the lies Blair told that
> > took us to war with Iraq. There are plenty of 'criminals' in the other
> > parties too, a google search will show this. We voters have no voice &
not
> > much choice. I am not keen on the BNP but i will vote for them simply
> > because i  no longer have faith in the other 3. My view is it cant get
any
> > worse & who knows, it may get better. Don't worry, i know the BNP will
never
> > get in at least for the foreseeable future but if the other 3 see a rise
in
> > BNP popularity they might start listening to the folk that they are
supposed
> > to serve.
> > Regards,
> > A desperate voter.
> >
> >
> thats right you vote BNP...you obviously have no morals.....if you just
> want to dissent why not vote Green or Monster Raving Looney.   Of course
> you could be Fascist scum in which case BNP is for you

"sir farte"  wrote in message 
news:oa6Vh.983$G64.75@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> think I will join the BNP seems like a nice party.

The sad thing is, they don't seem to be any worse than the others :(

"Capt. Beefheart"  wrote in message 
news:T4IUh.44203$ne6.3421@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "HJ"  wrote in message 
> news:46234943$1_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>A common tactic of the BNP is the promotion of the 'big lie'. The issue
>> might vary from place to place but the concept is the same.
>>
>> The BNP will tap into a local issue or concern and give it a racial
>> twist. They will repeatedly peddle this lie to portray the other parties
>> as out of touch and to promote their own racist agenda.
>>
>> * In Barking & Dagenham they tapped into concern over a lack of cheap
>> affordable housing by claiming there was a secret 'Africans for Essex'
>> scheme in which non-whites were given £50,000 grants to buy property in
>> the area.
>> * In Sandwell the BNP claimed that a local library building was going to
>> become a mosque.
>> * In Amber Valley they claimed that a local 15-year-old white girl had
>> been sexually attacked by three asylum seekers.
>> * In Thurrock they claimed that Hackney council had struck a secret deal
>> to ship over 3,000 asylum seekers.
>>
>>
>> The BNP leader nick Griffin in his own words
>>
>> On Race: "Without the White race nothing matters [other right-wing
>> parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and
>> a futile attempt to create "Black Britons", while we affirm that
>> non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last
>> one has left our land."
>>
>> On Nazi leader Adolf Hitler: 'Yes, Adolf went a bit too far. His legacy
>> is the biggest problem that the British nationalist movement has to deal
>> with. It just creates a bad image."
>>
>> On Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography: "At 13, I read Mein Kampf,
>> making notes in the margins. I remember thinking, are the Jews really
>> that bad? The chapter I most enjoyed was the one on propaganda and
>> organisation there are some really useful ideas there."
>>
>> On democracy: "[BNP voters backed] what they perceived to be a strong,
>> disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend
>> Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch
>> comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."
>>
>> On the Soho pub bombings: "The TV footage of dozens of 'gay'
>> demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's
>> journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures
>> so repulsive."

There's one thing worse than extremist right wing parties pretending to care 
about social issues and that's leftist extremists who, rather than state any 
of their own policies use the good old fashioned marxist solution of digging 
up dirt for propaganda and if they can't find any they'll make it up .... 
like communism has never got embroiled in making people disappear, torture 
and execution or the victimisation of minority groups.

Aren't we all just pissed off enough with Labour's mind games and media 
control?  Take it some place else lefty.  Your time is up.