This is a question from Elirien in the David Icke forum that I feel needs to 
be distributed to a bigger audience. This is not about Joe Stirling, its 
about everything that breathes on this planet.

[QUOTE=elirien;412186] "Well I'm just saying this as an option and not 
accusing you of anything but who could possibly prove me that you are not a 
freemason. 

just shouting off un-documented and researched hate is a good way to 
discredit sceptics of freemasonry like when the rothschild-zionist gang 
killed khazar jews in WWII and later on destroy anyone who questions that 
topic being a semite or not with calling him anti-semetic through the ADL. 
(geez what a sentence). 

I hope you are a sincere person and would begin by reading some books on the 
whole subject to bring this group of people that you dislike so much 'out of 
the light'. That would be quite good to further to ban them eh? Better then 
crying out loud backed with nothing. You can do that too of course. I'm not 
getting bothered being a researcher of these things but I think it would 
help you. 

Although I still think that you are working for some of them by shouting 
insults but you also use some of their techniques of demagogy against them 
by unceasingly insulting them writing annoying (not for me) posts. 

I'm not sure about you, but I think it would help if you would read some 
masonic literature to 'fight them with their own weapons' so to speak.   

I hope you don't get me wrong. " [/QUOTE]

Dear Elirien, 

I have been asked to reply. My name is Joe Stirling I'm a founding member of 
the Anti Corruption Party. We are a support group for victims of Freemasonry.
 Yes, we have tons of undeniable evidence on the criminal 
religious-cult-network-organisation that is known as Freemasonry. We want to 
produce this evidence to a live, filmed, independent audience. We want to do 
this professionally and transparently. We can bring this evil to a halt. The 
Masons know this, which is why they won't challenge, contact or sue us. This 
is why I am a prisoner in my own home with 24/7 surveillance by the corrupt 
Masons, all paid for by the law abiding taxpayers in the UK. I get constant 
persecution by local and non-local Masons. All well documented and very 
provable.

We at ACP are fed up researching and talking and we now want to force this 
serious issue. Most people do not understand about the inner-outer cores of 
Masonry. This evil NWO/Masons Money Monster is destroying us.

No, I am not a Mason or have ever been in a Masonic Lodge in my life. The 
Masons spread rumours, that's their tactics, surely they could tell me which 
Lodge that I was supposed to have been initiated ?. Anyway, I'll say this 
again, I am prepared to take any scientific truth set up. I will take any 
lie-detector test. I will take the truth drug, even though it has serious 
side effects. I would like to do this alongside my Masonic perpatrators. You 
will find that most of our now vetted, genuine victims will do the same, no 
problem.

Anyone can join ACP, it's free. Our goal is to help and educate each other. 
We're not into hatred or revenge. Our articles are a bit pushy and truthful, 
designed to waken the public. We support David Icke and all truth-seekers 
100%. We are presently fighting for a public register of Freemasons, not any 
other group or religion. This will comprehensively prove if its a good or 
bad organisation. Let me put it this way, 99% of the public are not aware of 
Masonic Theatre, where Masons actually stage situations that look normal to 
the untrained eye. In every situation you can think of. For example, almost 
every person who works in the emergency services is a Mason. Now, where lies 
their impartiality as a creditable witness ? So, when you see these people 
on the Masonic owned media as a witness, who are you going to believe ?  
9/11 - 7/7 - Diana, etc.  Simple logic, we need a public register of FMs.

I would like to thank you personally for directing me to the OOBE post from 
where you got your signature. lol, Joe     www.joestirling.com

url:http://www.myreader.co.uk/gp/1083-1.aspx

In a dim and distant universe ,
   Anti Corruption Party enlightened us thusly:
[Snippety snip]

> designed to waken the public. We support David Icke and all truth-seekers
> 100%. We are presently fighting for a public register of Freemasons, not
> any other group or religion.

No you're not supporting. You're spreading more propaganda (albeit maybe
from the other perspective) as you're ranting without any foundation too.
LIke David Icke, you're hardly helping your own argument.

I know David Icke and I know that a lot of what he says is true. However,
unfortunately, most of the public just think he's a tinfoil hat wearing
nutter, and the rest are too busy being brainwashed by soap operas and
reality TV to actually care.

Nothing David Icke says is new. You can find all the evidence by doing your
own research and cross-referencing what you hear on the news. However, the
biggest danger in this country is apathy. No one cares.
The free masons may be a dodgy organisation (I don't know), but to label
/all/ their members as evil is just silly, and not going to help any
serious discussion as to what their agenda is.

That's like saying that *everyone* who works for company XYZ is evil
because company XYZ happen to do evil things. If you actually read some of
David Icke's books you'll see, where he explains that most societies are
based upon a pyramid of "compartmentalisation" which means that people
lower down the pyramid are fed things by their boss on a pretty much need
to know basis. Thus the clerk behind the counter in your local bank is
hardly going to know (let alone be party to) the policies going on in the
boardroom in the head office.

Thus many people probably join the masons because of the good they do for
the local community, the social functions and the friendship. They probably
don't even know what other agendas are, or what happens when you reach the
33rd degree level etc.

When putting forward arguments to convince the population of what's really
going on in the world, you need to think rationally and logically explain
things, not go off on a rant (either for or against). Only by giving people
pointers to where they can find their own evidence, will the truth
eventually be discovered by the masses.

Check out www.truefacts.co.uk to keep up to date with stories the
mainstream media may skip over.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:30:20 +0100, invalid wrote:

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> the biggest danger in this country is apathy.

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Founded on bad education...
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The right method of philosophy would be this: 
To say nothing except what can be said.