Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane to 
lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As a 
result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 degrees 
across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has unfortunately been 
hospitalised.

Prior to the accident, this white van had been tail-gating another vehicle 
between junctions 5 and Fleet services and the driver of this vehicle left 
the motorway at the services to escape it. Where you that driver?

If you were on the M3, northbound between Junctions 6 and 3 last night 
between 8.30 and 9.00pm you may have seen this van or the incident.

I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
for other drivers or their safety.

If you have any info, please get in touch.

Thank you

Steve

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:FvidnXBG0MYEQAjbnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Steve"  wrote in message 
> news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
>> for other drivers or their safety.
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the 
> tale.
> You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
> the police are involved.
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>

Police are involved, but seemed to feel it was unlikely they would trace the 
van.  Probably not worth their effort if they are unlikely to get a 
conviction.

I've spoken to the driver of the car which hit me, I pleased to know that 
after a hospital check he is ok, just a little sore from the airbag and seat 
belt pre-tensioners going off.  I'm glad we were both driving fairly 
'modern' cars which are a lot safer that vehicles of 10-15 years ago.....

An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white but 
then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on my car 
which show that it did make contact with mine.


Steve

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In message <Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Steve 
 writes
>Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound
>between Junctions 4 and 3.

>If you have any info, please get in touch.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
when the open frontiers policy was decided on.

The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
insurers. So that's all right, then.

It's all good for a wry chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf wrote:

> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
> sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
> comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
> always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
> to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
> information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
> surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
> when the open frontiers policy was decided on.
> 
> The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
> fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
> last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
> again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
> insurers. So that's all right, then.
> 
> It's all good for a wry chuckle.
>

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>jf wrote:
>
>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>
>'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?

Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

>>  Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee

(Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)

When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
> -- 
> James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
> http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com
>

how very sad, there, there, there.

if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

eugene

retired radio operator

"DB01"  wrote in message 
news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> how very sad, there, there, there.
>
> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "DB01"  wrote in message 
> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>
>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>
> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>
>
  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will 
confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:FvidnXBG0MYEQAjbnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Steve"  wrote in message 
> news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
>> for other drivers or their safety.
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the 
> tale.
> You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
> the police are involved.
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>

Police are involved, but seemed to feel it was unlikely they would trace the 
van.  Probably not worth their effort if they are unlikely to get a 
conviction.

I've spoken to the driver of the car which hit me, I pleased to know that 
after a hospital check he is ok, just a little sore from the airbag and seat 
belt pre-tensioners going off.  I'm glad we were both driving fairly 
'modern' cars which are a lot safer that vehicles of 10-15 years ago.....

An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white but 
then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on my car 
which show that it did make contact with mine.


Steve

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Steve 
 writes
>Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound
>between Junctions 4 and 3.

>If you have any info, please get in touch.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
when the open frontiers policy was decided on.

The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
insurers. So that's all right, then.

It's all good for a wry chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf wrote:

> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
> sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
> comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
> always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
> to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
> information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
> surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
> when the open frontiers policy was decided on.
> 
> The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
> fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
> last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
> again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
> insurers. So that's all right, then.
> 
> It's all good for a wry chuckle.
>

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>jf wrote:
>
>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>
>'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?

Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

>>  Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee

(Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)

When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
> -- 
> James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
> http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com
>

how very sad, there, there, there.

if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

eugene

retired radio operator

"DB01"  wrote in message 
news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> how very sad, there, there, there.
>
> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "DB01"  wrote in message 
> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>
>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>
> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>
>
  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will 
confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

In message <%vuli.10813$fi4.2104@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message
>news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "DB01"  wrote in message
>> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>>
>>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it
>>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>>
>> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
>>
>  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will
>confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

But I've given up that after shave.  JF

DB01  wrote:

> I have met James

Now Wash Your Hands Please

Steve wrote:
>
> An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white
> but then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on
> my car which show that it did make contact with mine.

It could have been hired - "U-Drive" are silver.
-- 
John Briggs

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:FvidnXBG0MYEQAjbnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Steve"  wrote in message 
> news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
>> for other drivers or their safety.
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the 
> tale.
> You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
> the police are involved.
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>

Police are involved, but seemed to feel it was unlikely they would trace the 
van.  Probably not worth their effort if they are unlikely to get a 
conviction.

I've spoken to the driver of the car which hit me, I pleased to know that 
after a hospital check he is ok, just a little sore from the airbag and seat 
belt pre-tensioners going off.  I'm glad we were both driving fairly 
'modern' cars which are a lot safer that vehicles of 10-15 years ago.....

An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white but 
then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on my car 
which show that it did make contact with mine.


Steve

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Steve 
 writes
>Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound
>between Junctions 4 and 3.

>If you have any info, please get in touch.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
when the open frontiers policy was decided on.

The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
insurers. So that's all right, then.

It's all good for a wry chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf wrote:

> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
> sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
> comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
> always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
> to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
> information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
> surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
> when the open frontiers policy was decided on.
> 
> The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
> fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
> last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
> again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
> insurers. So that's all right, then.
> 
> It's all good for a wry chuckle.
>

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>jf wrote:
>
>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>
>'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?

Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

>>  Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee

(Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)

When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
> -- 
> James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
> http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com
>

how very sad, there, there, there.

if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

eugene

retired radio operator

"DB01"  wrote in message 
news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> how very sad, there, there, there.
>
> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "DB01"  wrote in message 
> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>
>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>
> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>
>
  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will 
confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

In message <%vuli.10813$fi4.2104@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message
>news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "DB01"  wrote in message
>> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>>
>>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it
>>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>>
>> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
>>
>  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will
>confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

But I've given up that after shave.  JF

DB01  wrote:

> I have met James

Now Wash Your Hands Please

Steve wrote:
>
> An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white
> but then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on
> my car which show that it did make contact with mine.

It could have been hired - "U-Drive" are silver.
-- 
John Briggs

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
>> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it
>> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
>how very sad, there, there, there.
>
>if you like you can forward the dejected post to me

What is sad are the numbers who look around for a tool to beat me over 
the head with and gleefully seize on the discredited debating tool of 
invalidation in the misplaced belief that it's some sort of deadly 
weapon. I've got bored with the number of times I've counselled the 
uselessness of invalidation but the hordes still love it.

I was making a point about sloppy and careless posting. It may be only a 
minor point but it's as well to remember Winston Churchill's salutary 
point that the greatness of any individual or organization manifests 
itself in attention to detail.

Taking some pride in presenting posts in a sensible manner is excellent 
preparatory work for polishing attitudes to life in general. Society 
rewards the careful with great riches whereas the consequence of sloppy 
work is sloppy thinking thus encouraging the attitude: 'bugger it. I 
might as well be shit at everything.' And so the rich and careful get 
richer.

We're lucky in our society in having plenty of poverty to go around for 
the benefit of the many losers who prefer it.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf  wrote:

> Society rewards the careful with great riches 

Victoria Beckham, Jade Goody, Paris Hilton

I'm putting this case down here now to give it a rest.

jf wrote:

<snipped unnecessary waffle>

> 
> (Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)
> 
> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
> 

Oooo! Hark at her.

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:FvidnXBG0MYEQAjbnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Steve"  wrote in message 
> news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
>> for other drivers or their safety.
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the 
> tale.
> You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
> the police are involved.
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>

Police are involved, but seemed to feel it was unlikely they would trace the 
van.  Probably not worth their effort if they are unlikely to get a 
conviction.

I've spoken to the driver of the car which hit me, I pleased to know that 
after a hospital check he is ok, just a little sore from the airbag and seat 
belt pre-tensioners going off.  I'm glad we were both driving fairly 
'modern' cars which are a lot safer that vehicles of 10-15 years ago.....

An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white but 
then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on my car 
which show that it did make contact with mine.


Steve

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Steve 
 writes
>Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound
>between Junctions 4 and 3.

>If you have any info, please get in touch.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
when the open frontiers policy was decided on.

The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
insurers. So that's all right, then.

It's all good for a wry chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf wrote:

> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
> sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
> comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
> always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
> to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
> information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
> surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
> when the open frontiers policy was decided on.
> 
> The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
> fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
> last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
> again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
> insurers. So that's all right, then.
> 
> It's all good for a wry chuckle.
>

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>jf wrote:
>
>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>
>'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?

Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

>>  Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee

(Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)

When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
> -- 
> James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
> http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com
>

how very sad, there, there, there.

if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

eugene

retired radio operator

"DB01"  wrote in message 
news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> how very sad, there, there, there.
>
> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "DB01"  wrote in message 
> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>
>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>
> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>
>
  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will 
confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

In message <%vuli.10813$fi4.2104@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message
>news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "DB01"  wrote in message
>> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>>
>>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it
>>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>>
>> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
>>
>  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will
>confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

But I've given up that after shave.  JF

DB01  wrote:

> I have met James

Now Wash Your Hands Please

Steve wrote:
>
> An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white
> but then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on
> my car which show that it did make contact with mine.

It could have been hired - "U-Drive" are silver.
-- 
John Briggs

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
>> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it
>> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
>how very sad, there, there, there.
>
>if you like you can forward the dejected post to me

What is sad are the numbers who look around for a tool to beat me over 
the head with and gleefully seize on the discredited debating tool of 
invalidation in the misplaced belief that it's some sort of deadly 
weapon. I've got bored with the number of times I've counselled the 
uselessness of invalidation but the hordes still love it.

I was making a point about sloppy and careless posting. It may be only a 
minor point but it's as well to remember Winston Churchill's salutary 
point that the greatness of any individual or organization manifests 
itself in attention to detail.

Taking some pride in presenting posts in a sensible manner is excellent 
preparatory work for polishing attitudes to life in general. Society 
rewards the careful with great riches whereas the consequence of sloppy 
work is sloppy thinking thus encouraging the attitude: 'bugger it. I 
might as well be shit at everything.' And so the rich and careful get 
richer.

We're lucky in our society in having plenty of poverty to go around for 
the benefit of the many losers who prefer it.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf  wrote:

> Society rewards the careful with great riches 

Victoria Beckham, Jade Goody, Paris Hilton

I'm putting this case down here now to give it a rest.

jf wrote:

<snipped unnecessary waffle>

> 
> (Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)
> 
> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
> 

Oooo! Hark at her.

jf wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes
> 
> In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
> Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>> jf wrote:
>>
>>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>> no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>>
>> 'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
> wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

ID cards will be a gift to terrorists and fraudsters, why? because they 
will be trusted without question, and fairly easy for professional crims 
to obtain.

mike o'sullivan wrote:
> jf wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>> In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard
>> Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>>> jf wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible
>>>> drivers seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured.
>>>> That we have no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>>>
>>> 'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
>>
>> Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all.
>> Small wonder that England is a magnet for many east European
>> criminals.
>
> ID cards will be a gift to terrorists and fraudsters, why? because
> they will be trusted without question, and fairly easy for
> professional crims to obtain.

It will probably be illegal to query an ID card.
-- 
John Briggs

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:FvidnXBG0MYEQAjbnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Steve"  wrote in message 
> news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
>> for other drivers or their safety.
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the 
> tale.
> You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
> the police are involved.
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>

Police are involved, but seemed to feel it was unlikely they would trace the 
van.  Probably not worth their effort if they are unlikely to get a 
conviction.

I've spoken to the driver of the car which hit me, I pleased to know that 
after a hospital check he is ok, just a little sore from the airbag and seat 
belt pre-tensioners going off.  I'm glad we were both driving fairly 
'modern' cars which are a lot safer that vehicles of 10-15 years ago.....

An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white but 
then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on my car 
which show that it did make contact with mine.


Steve

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Steve 
 writes
>Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound
>between Junctions 4 and 3.

>If you have any info, please get in touch.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
when the open frontiers policy was decided on.

The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
insurers. So that's all right, then.

It's all good for a wry chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf wrote:

> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
> sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
> comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
> always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
> to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
> information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
> surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
> when the open frontiers policy was decided on.
> 
> The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
> fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
> last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
> again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
> insurers. So that's all right, then.
> 
> It's all good for a wry chuckle.
>

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>jf wrote:
>
>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>
>'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?

Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

>>  Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee

(Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)

When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
> -- 
> James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
> http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com
>

how very sad, there, there, there.

if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

eugene

retired radio operator

"DB01"  wrote in message 
news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> how very sad, there, there, there.
>
> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "DB01"  wrote in message 
> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>
>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>
> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>
>
  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will 
confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

In message <%vuli.10813$fi4.2104@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message
>news:teWdnXkFyMON7QvbnZ2dnUVZ8qSnnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "DB01"  wrote in message
>> news:g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> how very sad, there, there, there.
>>>
>>> if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it
>>> and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs
>>
>> Is that what's known as 'grooming'?
>>
>  do be sensible. I have met James and anybody that has seen James will
>confirm he is definitely most Unsuitable for grooming

But I've given up that after shave.  JF

DB01  wrote:

> I have met James

Now Wash Your Hands Please

Steve wrote:
>
> An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white
> but then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on
> my car which show that it did make contact with mine.

It could have been hired - "U-Drive" are silver.
-- 
John Briggs

X-No-Archive: yes

In message <g5uli.19603$_l6.10492@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, DB01 
 writes
>
>"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
>> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it
>> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
>how very sad, there, there, there.
>
>if you like you can forward the dejected post to me

What is sad are the numbers who look around for a tool to beat me over 
the head with and gleefully seize on the discredited debating tool of 
invalidation in the misplaced belief that it's some sort of deadly 
weapon. I've got bored with the number of times I've counselled the 
uselessness of invalidation but the hordes still love it.

I was making a point about sloppy and careless posting. It may be only a 
minor point but it's as well to remember Winston Churchill's salutary 
point that the greatness of any individual or organization manifests 
itself in attention to detail.

Taking some pride in presenting posts in a sensible manner is excellent 
preparatory work for polishing attitudes to life in general. Society 
rewards the careful with great riches whereas the consequence of sloppy 
work is sloppy thinking thus encouraging the attitude: 'bugger it. I 
might as well be shit at everything.' And so the rich and careful get 
richer.

We're lucky in our society in having plenty of poverty to go around for 
the benefit of the many losers who prefer it.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf  wrote:

> Society rewards the careful with great riches 

Victoria Beckham, Jade Goody, Paris Hilton

I'm putting this case down here now to give it a rest.

jf wrote:

<snipped unnecessary waffle>

> 
> (Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)
> 
> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
> 

Oooo! Hark at her.

jf wrote:
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> 
> In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
> Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>> jf wrote:
>>
>>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>> no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>>
>> 'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
> wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

ID cards will be a gift to terrorists and fraudsters, why? because they 
will be trusted without question, and fairly easy for professional crims 
to obtain.

mike o'sullivan wrote:
> jf wrote:
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>
>> In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard
>> Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>>> jf wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible
>>>> drivers seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured.
>>>> That we have no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>>>
>>> 'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
>>
>> Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all.
>> Small wonder that England is a magnet for many east European
>> criminals.
>
> ID cards will be a gift to terrorists and fraudsters, why? because
> they will be trusted without question, and fairly easy for
> professional crims to obtain.

It will probably be illegal to query an ID card.
-- 
John Briggs

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound 
> between Junctions 4 and 3. A large white van (Luton style), which had 
> earlier been driving  erratically (attempting undertakes), move from lane 
> to lane 3 completely disregarding the fact I was alongside at the time. As 
> a result my vehicle was forced into the central barrier and then as I 
> attempted to regain control it crossed all three lanes ending up the 
> embankment. The vehicle following me 'T-boned' me, while I was at 90 
> degrees across the carriage way. The driver of that vehicle has 
> unfortunately been hospitalised.
>



Can't help you Steve, but just wish to say glad you are OK.

Did you have passenger/s? Are they OK?

Mike


-- 
The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
Reunion Bournemouth August/September 2007
www.rneba.org.uk

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>
> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
> for other drivers or their safety.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the tale.
You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
the police are involved.
-- 
Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"

"Dave (Sgt. Pepper)"  wrote in message 
news:FvidnXBG0MYEQAjbnZ2dnUVZ8qminZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Steve"  wrote in message 
> news:Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> I can only describe the driver of the van as a 'maniac' who has no regard 
>> for other drivers or their safety.
>
> Sorry to hear of your misfortune Steve, at least you lived to tell the 
> tale.
> You didn't say whether white-van-man fled the scene or stopped.  I presume 
> the police are involved.
> -- 
> Dave (Sgt. Pepper)       Epsom, England
>     My photo galleries at  http://www.pbase.com/davecq
>    "I will not tolerate intolerance ... Doh!!"
>

Police are involved, but seemed to feel it was unlikely they would trace the 
van.  Probably not worth their effort if they are unlikely to get a 
conviction.

I've spoken to the driver of the car which hit me, I pleased to know that 
after a hospital check he is ok, just a little sore from the airbag and seat 
belt pre-tensioners going off.  I'm glad we were both driving fairly 
'modern' cars which are a lot safer that vehicles of 10-15 years ago.....

An update on the van colour, it was actually silver, I thought white but 
then I was busy trying to avoid it.  There are traces of paint on my car 
which show that it did make contact with mine.


Steve

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In message <Qukli.17055$aJ3.14258@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>, Steve 
 writes
>Last night I was involved in a serious accident on the M3 north bound
>between Junctions 4 and 3.

>If you have any info, please get in touch.

I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
when the open frontiers policy was decided on.

The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
insurers. So that's all right, then.

It's all good for a wry chuckle.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

jf wrote:

> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
> seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have no 
> sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.

'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?
> 
> Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee 
> comedian who has bought several cars using my name and address. He 
> always pays cash, about GBP1000 for runners, and gives my name address 
> to the former owner. There is no obligation on sellers to verify 
> information they're given so I end up as the registered owner. I'm 
> surprised that no one saw the likelihood of this problem cropping up 
> when the open frontiers policy was decided on.
> 
> The last time the police did check up on me was to chase me for unpaid 
> fixed penalties. I was about seventy miles away in hospital when the 
> last offences took place. A sergeant said that I wouldn't be troubled 
> again because such checks are now being buck-passed to the motor 
> insurers. So that's all right, then.
> 
> It's all good for a wry chuckle.
>

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In message <e3974$46960669$3e18e6cb$1549@news.vispa.com>, Richard 
Polhill <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> writes
>jf wrote:
>
>> I have a great deal of sympathy for you. Crazy, irresponsible drivers 
>>seem to be on the increase, often untaxed and uninsured. That we have 
>>no  sensible ID system in this country doesn't help.
>
>'Cause that would make all the difference, wouldn't it?

Glad you agree. Some sort of ID system is better than none at all. Small 
wonder that England is a magnet for many east European criminals.

>>  Devices police have long given up chasing me over a fill 'n' flee

(Snipped: rest of JF's drivel)

When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's 
sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.

-- 
James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com

"> When you've finished commenting on what a poster has to say, it's
> sensible to delete the rest of his or her post rather than leave it 
> hanging, forlorn and dejected without a comment it can call its own.
>
> -- 
> James Follett. Novelist (Callsign G1LXP)
> http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk and http://www.marjacq.com
>

how very sad, there, there, there.

if you like you can forward the dejected post to me and I will talk to it 
and comfort it like I used to on 27 megs

eugene

retired radio operator