The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?

Here's what we've figured out so far.
A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.

London is a no-no.

We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
spring...

Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.

So, where should we go KTHX...

Nils Tanner wrote:
> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
> 
> Here's what we've figured out so far.
> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
> 
> London is a no-no.
> 
> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> spring...
> 
> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
> 
> So, where should we go KTHX...

How about Wales?

Port Meirion is fabulous as is Snowdonia National Park (North Wales).

There are, literally, hundreds of great little towns and quite a few 
very picturesque/bucolic cities as well dotted around the country - some 
of the more local netizens in here will pipe up about those, no doubt.

Then you also have the Gower Peninsula South Wales, the Norfolk 
coastline on the East Coast (you can pop in and see the conjoined twins 
that are deKay!)

On 2008-08-26 06:12:53 +0100, Nils Tanner  said:

> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
> 
> Here's what we've figured out so far.
> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
> 
> London is a no-no.
> 
> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> spring...
> 
> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
> 
> So, where should we go KTHX...

Come oop north. North Yorkshire is stunning, two national parks, lovely 
historic towns like Skipton, and York is the most beautiful city in the 
country.

Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.

-- 

Zo

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:43:26 +0100, Zomoniac
 wrote:

>On 2008-08-26 06:12:53 +0100, Nils Tanner  said:
>
>> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
>> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>> 
>> Here's what we've figured out so far.
>> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
>> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
>> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
>> 
>> London is a no-no.
>> 
>> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
>> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
>> spring...
>> 
>> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
>> 
>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>
>Come oop north. North Yorkshire is stunning, two national parks, lovely 
>historic towns like Skipton, and York is the most beautiful city in the 
>country.
>
>Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.


The only thing interesting to see were but Tinsley Towers.....

but now.... :o(

--
The Zero ST

Nils Tanner wrote:
> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> spring...
> 
> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
> 
> So, where should we go KTHX...

I would recommend you visit one of the national parks, the Lake District 
is stunning. Either that or the Yorkshire Dales, Zo's vote for York is a 
pretty good one.

-- 
James Luff
Gamertag: Lufferov
blog: http://lufferov.blogspot.com
"There are 10 types of people in the world:
Those that understand binary, and those that don't."

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Zomoniac
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


I might spend my next spring holidays in Newcastle, that enough north
for me at the moment :-)

Nils Tanner wrote:
> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
> 
> Here's what we've figured out so far.
> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
> 
> London is a no-no.
> 
> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> spring...
> 
> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
> 
> So, where should we go KTHX...

I would vote for Wales or Scotland but they aren't England so how about 
the North Yorkshire coast or the Lake District. The Derbyshire Dales are 
nice too.

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, jochta
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


>I would vote for Wales or Scotland but they aren't England so how about 
>the North Yorkshire coast or the Lake District. The Derbyshire Dales are 
>nice too.

Should have said UK then, sorry :-)

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Tue, 26 Aug
2008 10:49:19 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.games.video.misc, yawatina tan reek esk jochta 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I would vote for Wales or Scotland but they aren't England 

According to QI, they are :)


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"Zomoniac"  wrote in message 
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>
> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
>

Damm Salt & Pepper pots - closed off the M1 for me on Sunday :(


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Nils Tanner wrote:
> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Zomoniac
>  got it all completely wrong and wrote:
> 
> 
> I might spend my next spring holidays in Newcastle, that enough north
> for me at the moment :-)

Hey, that's where I am! (Well, 6 miles outside, but it's all the same to 
anyone down south)

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On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>
> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> spring...

One wonders if this constraint was added purely to preempt Lister
inviting him for a pint.

-- 
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Add the word afiduluminag to the subject to circumvent my email filters.

jochta wrote:
>>
>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>
> I would vote for Wales or Scotland but they aren't England so how
> about the North Yorkshire coast or the Lake District. The Derbyshire
> Dales are nice too.

I'd second most of that. Northumberland also has a beautiful coastline 
(Seahouses, Bamburgh, Holy Island, etc), but if you're visiting Newcastle at 
some point in the future, you might as well leave that 'til then.
If you want stunning natural beauty then excluding Northern England (and 
Wales and Scotland) is probably a mistake. The West Country is gorgeous in 
places, but you've already been there. There are nice bits of coast all the 
way round the Southern half of the country - my love of the more rural parts 
of the Suffolk coast is no secret, and Sussex and Hampshire both have their 
moments.

-- 

Chris

GT: SomethingWitty

On 2008-08-26 09:49:10 +0100, Craig Coope  said:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:43:26 +0100, Zomoniac
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 2008-08-26 06:12:53 +0100, Nils Tanner  said:
>> 
>>> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
>>> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>>> 
>>> Here's what we've figured out so far.
>>> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
>>> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
>>> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
>>> 
>>> London is a no-no.
>>> 
>>> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
>>> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
>>> spring...
>>> 
>>> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
>>> 
>>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>> 
>> Come oop north. North Yorkshire is stunning, two national parks, lovely 
>> historic towns like Skipton, and York is the most beautiful city in the 
>> country.
>> 
>> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
> 
> 
> The only thing interesting to see were but Tinsley Towers.....
> 
> but now.... :o(

I drove past there at around midnight on Sunday. They cleared the 
rubble up impressively quickly (as in all of it within a few hours). 
It's just an empty space. Very strange.

-- 

Zo

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Toby Newman
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:

>On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
>> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
>> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>>
>> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
>> spring...
>
>One wonders if this constraint was added purely to preempt Lister
>inviting him for a pint.

One should not wonder too much.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:26:44 +0100, DBSnappa
 wrote:

>Nils Tanner wrote:
>> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
>> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>> 
>> Here's what we've figured out so far.
>> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
>> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
>> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
>> 
>> London is a no-no.
>> 
>> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
>> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
>> spring...
>> 
>> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
>> 
>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>
>How about Wales?
>
>Port Meirion is fabulous as is Snowdonia National Park (North Wales).
>
>There are, literally, hundreds of great little towns and quite a few 
>very picturesque/bucolic cities as well dotted around the country - some 
>of the more local netizens in here will pipe up about those, no doubt.
>
>Then you also have the Gower Peninsula South Wales, the Norfolk 
>coastline on the East Coast (you can pop in and see the conjoined twins 
>that are deKay!)

i'd second that. stayed in a nice hotel in barmouth a couple years
back with my ex, just down the coast from port meirion and plenty to
do within easily reachable distance.

http://www.tyrgraigcastle.co.uk/ - that's where we stayed and it was a
nice little hotel too, tho barmouth itself wasn't the most impressive,
but there were a couple of good little restaurants there, though i'm
not sure i'd venture over the threshold of this establishment;
<http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2006/7/122371_23604504-a90f-4dca-b732-3e981775bdfa_prod.JPG>

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:25:59 +0200, Nils Tanner 
wrote:

>Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Zomoniac
> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>
>
>I might spend my next spring holidays in Newcastle, that enough north
>for me at the moment :-)

Disagree - Yorkshire is utterly unlike Newcastle in almost every
respect. Newcastle's pretty good, but it's just zis town, y'know?

In general finding a nice bit of the UK is as simple as picking a
national park and go there. I just spent a lovely three day weekend in
the Peak District round Dovedale way, for example.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
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          -- Nigel Hewitt, describing ukrs dive #100

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


>>I might spend my next spring holidays in Newcastle, that enough north
>>for me at the moment :-)
>
>Disagree - Yorkshire is utterly unlike Newcastle in almost every
>respect. Newcastle's pretty good, but it's just zis town, y'know?

Oh, I can't really argue on this, as I've no idea. I just thought I'd
leave the north away for the moment, but this might have been a bad
idea, considering what you guys wrote in here.

>In general finding a nice bit of the UK is as simple as picking a
>national park and go there. I just spent a lovely three day weekend in
>the Peak District round Dovedale way, for example.

We did have a fantastic time when we just travelled around the south
coast, so many nice places to enjoy... So absicalyy, we'd like to
repeat that but in a different part of the country.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:46:25 +0200, Nils Tanner 
wrote:

>Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>
>
>>>I might spend my next spring holidays in Newcastle, that enough north
>>>for me at the moment :-)
>>
>>Disagree - Yorkshire is utterly unlike Newcastle in almost every
>>respect. Newcastle's pretty good, but it's just zis town, y'know?
>
>Oh, I can't really argue on this, as I've no idea. I just thought I'd
>leave the north away for the moment, but this might have been a bad
>idea, considering what you guys wrote in here.

The North is *big*. Leeds, as a stereotypical example of Northern
character, is less than halfway up the UK.

>>In general finding a nice bit of the UK is as simple as picking a
>>national park and go there. I just spent a lovely three day weekend in
>>the Peak District round Dovedale way, for example.
>
>We did have a fantastic time when we just travelled around the south
>coast, so many nice places to enjoy... So absicalyy, we'd like to
>repeat that but in a different part of the country.

There's plenty to choose, outside Newcastle and north up the coast to
Bamburgh  which are also lovely but you already have scheduled. 

I'd say try the Lake District (though careful with the calendar as it
gets over busy during public/school holidays); Snowdonia and NW Wales;
Pembrokeshire (SW Wales); the Peak District around Buxton, as above;
the Yorkshire Dales (the West bits of Yorkshire); North Yorkshire (the
NE bits of Yorkshire); the South Downs and Cotswolds; Scotland has
*loads* of wonderful landscape - I particularly like the stretch from
Ben Nevis up to Glencoe and around.

Depends on the balance of big outdoors and homely towns/villages that
you want, really. 

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
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On 2008-08-26 14:09:23 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh 
 said:

> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:46:25 +0200, Nils Tanner 
> wrote:
> 
>> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
>>  got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>> I might spend my next spring holidays in Newcastle, that enough north
>>>> for me at the moment :-)
>>> 
>>> Disagree - Yorkshire is utterly unlike Newcastle in almost every
>>> respect. Newcastle's pretty good, but it's just zis town, y'know?
>> 
>> Oh, I can't really argue on this, as I've no idea. I just thought I'd
>> leave the north away for the moment, but this might have been a bad
>> idea, considering what you guys wrote in here.
> 
> The North is *big*. Leeds, as a stereotypical example of Northern
> character, is less than halfway up the UK.
> 
>>> In general finding a nice bit of the UK is as simple as picking a
>>> national park and go there. I just spent a lovely three day weekend in
>>> the Peak District round Dovedale way, for example.
>> 
>> We did have a fantastic time when we just travelled around the south
>> coast, so many nice places to enjoy... So absicalyy, we'd like to
>> repeat that but in a different part of the country.
> 
> There's plenty to choose, outside Newcastle and north up the coast to
> Bamburgh  which are also lovely but you already have scheduled.
> I'd say try the Lake District (though careful with the calendar as it
> gets over busy during public/school holidays); Snowdonia and NW Wales;
> Pembrokeshire (SW Wales); the Peak District around Buxton, as above;
> the Yorkshire Dales (the West bits of Yorkshire); North Yorkshire (the
> NE bits of Yorkshire); the South Downs and Cotswolds; Scotland has
> *loads* of wonderful landscape - I particularly like the stretch from
> Ben Nevis up to Glencoe and around.

And if you're in NE Yorkshire, check out Whitby. Amazing place. As long 
as you don't get the stag/hen crowds there, they have an amazing 
ability to ruin it.


-- 

Zo

On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>
> Here's what we've figured out so far.
> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
>
> London is a no-no.
>
> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> spring...
>
> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
>
> So, where should we go KTHX...

Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not sure you'd
find much to do for more than a couple of days, though, and it's not like
there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia, unless you really, really
like fields.

Chris
-- 
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  "Back when I was young, we had to travel back in time to put the tape in so
the game would load before we died."

Chris Whitworth wrote:
>>
>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>
> Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not
> sure you'd find much to do for more than a couple of days, though,
> and it's not like there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia,
> unless you really, really like fields.

I really, really like fields. Big ones, small ones, ones of irregular shape, 
nicely hedgerowed ones, intensely farmed ones, slightly abandoned looking 
ones pock-marked with rabbit holes. All of them.

There's still fuck all to do in East Anglia.

-- 

Chris

GT: SomethingWitty

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Zomoniac
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


>And if you're in NE Yorkshire, check out Whitby. Amazing place. As long 
>as you don't get the stag/hen crowds there, they have an amazing 
>ability to ruin it.

My lass has already been there, and she's still going on about it :-)

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Chris Whitworth
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:

>On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
>> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
>> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>>
>> Here's what we've figured out so far.
>> A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
>> fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
>> south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
>>
>> London is a no-no.
>>
>> We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
>> we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
>> spring...
>>
>> Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
>>
>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>
>Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not sure you'd
>find much to do for more than a couple of days, though, and it's not like
>there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia, unless you really, really
>like fields.
>
>Chris

I've just been looking at the prices for renting a car, and they seem
quite reasonable. So even if a town gets boring after a few
days/hours/minutes, it wouldn't be a problem. Unless we go with our
own car to begin with, that is. But as so many people pointed out
places it the north, it might be more reasonable to go by plane and
just rent a car...

Thanks for all the suggestions so far, they're really appreciated!

On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Zomoniac  wrote:

> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.

I'm sure Sheffield will be lovely once they've finished it.

On 2008-08-26 16:34:41 +0100, james.sutherland@gmail.com said:

> On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Zomoniac  wrote:
> 
>> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
> 
> I'm sure Sheffield will be lovely once they've finished it.

It wins the award for most hideous buildings per square mile of 
anywhere on the planet. I think keep the Peace/Winter gardens and 
Leopold Square and burn the rest to the ground and start again would be 
the easiest way.

-- 

Zo

On 2008-08-26, Chris Stevens  wrote:
> Chris Whitworth wrote:
>>>
>>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>>
>> Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not
>> sure you'd find much to do for more than a couple of days, though,
>> and it's not like there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia,
>> unless you really, really like fields.
>
> I really, really like fields. Big ones, small ones, ones of irregular shape, 
> nicely hedgerowed ones, intensely farmed ones, slightly abandoned looking 
> ones pock-marked with rabbit holes. All of them.
>
> There's still fuck all to do in East Anglia.

You can go for a walk on the beach at Southwold then drink a pint of very fine
ale in one of the many fine pubs in the town. That's always nice.

Er. We did Cambridge, right? Hm. I'm running out of ideas now.

Chris
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  "Back when I was young, we had to travel back in time to put the tape in so
the game would load before we died."

On 2008-08-26, james.sutherland@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Zomoniac  wrote:
>
>> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
>
> I'm sure Sheffield will be lovely once they've finished knocking it down.

IFYP

Chris
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  "Back when I was young, we had to travel back in time to put the tape in so
the game would load before we died."

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:18 +0200, Nils Tanner 
wrote:

>Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Chris Whitworth
> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>
>>On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
>>> The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
>>> problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
>>
>>Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not sure you'd
>>find much to do for more than a couple of days, though, and it's not like
>>there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia, unless you really, really
>>like fields.

That's why I didn't mention Cambridge - I grew up there, and it's a
great place to visit for a day or three, but the next interesting
place is two hours away. Rubbish for growing up in.

>I've just been looking at the prices for renting a car, and they seem
>quite reasonable. So even if a town gets boring after a few
>days/hours/minutes, it wouldn't be a problem.

For the city in point, Cambridge is spectacularly car-unfriendly - the
middle mile or so (or that's what it feels like) is a no-car zone, and
covers most of the lovely bit. You can drive along the college backs,
though.

>Unless we go with our
>own car to begin with, that is. But as so many people pointed out
>places it the north, it might be more reasonable to go by plane and
>just rent a car...

If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
choice of national park) and rent a car.

>Thanks for all the suggestions so far, they're really appreciated!

When you settle on somewhere (and Settle in Yorkshire is lovely) let
us know and I'm sure we'll be able to point you at more specific
places to go.

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
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Zomoniac  wrote in news:6hino5Fmha2hU1
@mid.individual.net:

> On 2008-08-26 16:34:41 +0100, james.sutherland@gmail.com said:
> 
>> On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Zomoniac  wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
>> 
>> I'm sure Sheffield will be lovely once they've finished it.
> 
> It wins the award for most hideous buildings per square mile of 
> anywhere on the planet. I think keep the Peace/Winter gardens and 
> Leopold Square and burn the rest to the ground and start again would be 
> the easiest way.

It's got quite a lot of really nice buildings, but the problem is that 
they're all invariably sandwiched between two horrible concrete 
monstrosities built in the 60s or 70s.

That said, it's much nicer than it was ten years ago. And at least they're 
finally knocking down the Moor.

On 2008-08-26, Jaimie Vandenbergh  wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:28:18 +0200, Nils Tanner 
> wrote:
>>Unless we go with our
>>own car to begin with, that is. But as so many people pointed out
>>places it the north, it might be more reasonable to go by plane and
>>just rent a car...
>
> If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
> choice of national park) and rent a car.

Manchester's a really handy central location, actually - Lake District is
about two hours drive so it's entirely possible to drive up, do a nice walk and
then come back within a day; Snowdonia in Wales is about the same, and you can
do Portmeirion and Anglesey and Llandudno and the Welsh coast too if you're
willing to stop overnight.

Portmeirion is *well* worth seeing. It's very odd.

Chris
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  "Back when I was young, we had to travel back in time to put the tape in so
the game would load before we died."

On 26 Aug 2008 18:01:00 GMT, Chris Whitworth 
wrote:

>Portmeirion is *well* worth seeing. It's very odd.
>
>Chris

I was going to say by the looks of it it's like the village where The
Prisoner was set...

It is!

--
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On 2008-08-26, Craig Coope  wrote:
> On 26 Aug 2008 18:01:00 GMT, Chris Whitworth 
> wrote:
>
>>Portmeirion is *well* worth seeing. It's very odd.
>>
>>Chris
>
> I was going to say by the looks of it it's like the village where The
> Prisoner was set...
>
> It is!

It is, indeed. I went there: http://picasaweb.google.com/chris.whitworth/WalesEaster07/photo#5048512692117586226

Chris
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Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


>If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
>choice of national park) and rent a car.

Would Liverpool also be a handy airport? Because I can get much
cheaper flights to Liverpool than to anywhere else, for some strange
reason...

On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>
>
>>If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
>>choice of national park) and rent a car.
>
> Would Liverpool also be a handy airport? Because I can get much
> cheaper flights to Liverpool than to anywhere else, for some strange
> reason...

Yes. Although it might mean you have to stay in Liverpool.

Chris
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:33:05 +0200, Nils Tanner 
wrote:

>Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>
>
>>If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
>>choice of national park) and rent a car.
>
>Would Liverpool also be a handy airport? Because I can get much
>cheaper flights to Liverpool than to anywhere else, for some strange
>reason...

Great for Snowdonia or the Peak District, good for the Lakes and
Yorkshire Dales, under two hours drive to any of them. A bit of a step
from Northumberland and North Yorkshire.

But don't stay there, find a cottage/guest house in a little village
in the middle of your destination.

Turns out that maps.google.co.uk marks out the national parks in green
- makes things easy!

	Cheers - Jaimie
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on, I just don't know where we would all be. Fortunately, I suppose it 
catching on isn't really very likely -- why, you might just as well go 
around saying 'Don't fight people'..."             -- Flanders & Swann

On 2008-08-26, Chris Whitworth  wrote:
> On 2008-08-26, Chris Stevens  wrote:
>> Chris Whitworth wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>>>
>>> Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not
>>> sure you'd find much to do for more than a couple of days, though,
>>> and it's not like there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia,
>>> unless you really, really like fields.
>>
>> I really, really like fields. Big ones, small ones, ones of irregular shape, 
>> nicely hedgerowed ones, intensely farmed ones, slightly abandoned looking 
>> ones pock-marked with rabbit holes. All of them.
>>
>> There's still fuck all to do in East Anglia.
>
> You can go for a walk on the beach at Southwold then drink a pint of very fine
> ale in one of the many fine pubs in the town. That's always nice.
>
> Er. We did Cambridge, right? Hm. I'm running out of ideas now.

Lavenham, for seeing lots of original Tudor buildings.
Choose any village, visit its church, ask the vicar for a play on his
organ or a pull on his bells. Lunch in the pub on the square.
Get an O/S map, choose any forest, and walk from one end to the
other. Watch out for rabbits, squirrels, deer, woodpeckers and jays.
Find an old farm (there are plenty that still aren't run like
factories), knock on the door, and ask permission to have a look
around at the livestock and old machinery.

I'm getting homesick now.

-- 
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On 2008-08-26, Jaimie Vandenbergh  wrote:
>
> Turns out that maps.google.co.uk marks out the national parks in green
> - makes things easy!

So it does! Not many in Ireland, are there?

-- 
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Add the word afiduluminag to the subject to circumvent my email filters.

On 2008-08-26, Chris Stevens  wrote:
> Chris Whitworth wrote:
>>>
>>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>>
>> Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not
>> sure you'd find much to do for more than a couple of days, though,
>> and it's not like there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia,
>> unless you really, really like fields.
>
> I really, really like fields. Big ones, small ones, ones of irregular shape, 
> nicely hedgerowed ones, intensely farmed ones, slightly abandoned looking 
> ones pock-marked with rabbit holes. All of them.
>
> There's still fuck all to do in East Anglia.

I love flying from America to the UK. The difference in views from the
plane window is brilliant. In the US they are these massive grids of
uniform fields. In the UK it's this hotch-potch quilted affair with
little copses and spires scattered throughout. It always fills me with
pride and I'm not normally patriotic at all.

-- 
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Add the word afiduluminag to the subject to circumvent my email filters.

Toby Newman wrote:
>>
>> I really, really like fields. Big ones, small ones, ones of
>> irregular shape, nicely hedgerowed ones, intensely farmed ones,
>> slightly abandoned looking ones pock-marked with rabbit holes. All
>> of them.
>>
>> There's still fuck all to do in East Anglia.
>
> I love flying from America to the UK. The difference in views from the
> plane window is brilliant. In the US they are these massive grids of
> uniform fields. In the UK it's this hotch-potch quilted affair with
> little copses and spires scattered throughout. It always fills me with
> pride and I'm not normally patriotic at all.

It's not just the fields, though, is it?
I just happened to have both a UK and a US roads dataset open when I read 
your post. I centered each on the first city that came to mind (Birmingham 
and Chicago), set the scale to the same on each, and here they are:

www.thestevensfamily.plus.com/birmingham.bmp
www.thestevensfamily.plus.com/chicago.bmp

I know which I prefer, practical or not. :)

-- 

Chris

GT: SomethingWitty

Chris Whitworth wrote:
> On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
>> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
>>  got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
>>> choice of national park) and rent a car.
>> Would Liverpool also be a handy airport? Because I can get much
>> cheaper flights to Liverpool than to anywhere else, for some strange
>> reason...
> 
> Yes. Although it might mean you have to stay in Liverpool.
> 
> Chris

But you could visit Blackpool. My favourite seaside town in England. So 
tacky it's ace.

On 2008-08-27, jochta  wrote:
> Chris Whitworth wrote:
>> On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
>>> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
>>>  got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
>>>> choice of national park) and rent a car.
>>> Would Liverpool also be a handy airport? Because I can get much
>>> cheaper flights to Liverpool than to anywhere else, for some strange
>>> reason...
>> 
>> Yes. Although it might mean you have to stay in Liverpool.
>
> But you could visit Blackpool. My favourite seaside town in England. So 
> tacky it's ace.

Just in case any non-English people are reading this, don't go to Blackpool,
it's horrible. It is seedy, tacky, unpleasant, full of grossly overweight people
and drunken morons on stag and hen nights trying to consume as many pints of
Carling and Bacardi breezers as they can before catching as many STDs as they
can before they get married, spawn terrible, fat children and then divorce 18
months later.

On the plus side, it has a rollercoaster, and a beach which sometimes doesn't
smell of sewerage.

Chris
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Chris Whitworth wrote:
> On 2008-08-27, jochta  wrote:
>> Chris Whitworth wrote:
>>> On 2008-08-26, Nils Tanner  wrote:
>>>> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
>>>>  got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If I were you, I'd fly into Leeds, Manchester or Bristol (depending on
>>>>> choice of national park) and rent a car.
>>>> Would Liverpool also be a handy airport? Because I can get much
>>>> cheaper flights to Liverpool than to anywhere else, for some strange
>>>> reason...
>>> Yes. Although it might mean you have to stay in Liverpool.
>> But you could visit Blackpool. My favourite seaside town in England. So 
>> tacky it's ace.
> 
> Just in case any non-English people are reading this, don't go to Blackpool,
> it's horrible. It is seedy, tacky, unpleasant, full of grossly overweight people
> and drunken morons on stag and hen nights trying to consume as many pints of
> Carling and Bacardi breezers as they can before catching as many STDs as they
> can before they get married, spawn terrible, fat children and then divorce 18
> months later.
> 
> On the plus side, it has a rollercoaster, and a beach which sometimes doesn't
> smell of sewerage.
> 

You could visit the spot where Alan Bradley got run over by a tram!


  -Kevin.

On 26 Aug 2008 16:08:29 GMT, Chris Whitworth 
wrote:

>On 2008-08-26, Chris Stevens  wrote:
>> Chris Whitworth wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, where should we go KTHX...
>>>
>>> Cambridge is very pretty and historical and medieval and that. Not
>>> sure you'd find much to do for more than a couple of days, though,
>>> and it's not like there's masses of other stuff to do in East Anglia,
>>> unless you really, really like fields.
>>
>> I really, really like fields. Big ones, small ones, ones of irregular shape, 
>> nicely hedgerowed ones, intensely farmed ones, slightly abandoned looking 
>> ones pock-marked with rabbit holes. All of them.
>>
>> There's still fuck all to do in East Anglia.
>
>You can go for a walk on the beach at Southwold then drink a pint of very fine
>ale in one of the many fine pubs in the town. That's always nice.
>
>Er. We did Cambridge, right? Hm. I'm running out of ideas now.
>
>Chris
Colchester, oldest town in England, The Dutch quarter, fantastic
Norman Keep in almost pristine condition...

Traditional seaside towns of Southend (longest pier in the world, over
a mile long IIRC), Clacton, Great Yarmouth...

Cresssing Temple barns, 2 barns used by the Knights Templar, one of
the oldest timber framed barns in the world

Finchingfield is an extremely pretty village, almost the definitive 
English village, Weatherfield is only a few minutes away and almost
pretty.

Harlow is the capital of Chav, one of the ugliest towns anywhere in
the world (great shopping town though) 


The Norfolk Broads are beautiful as well, piloting a boat in beautiful
summer sunshine was one of the most relaxing holidays I have ever
had...

Coggeshall is an antiques hotspot, used for the filming on Lovejoy, a
must for any antique lover.

Most of them are in Essex without even looking at the top half of East
Anglia
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:20:25 +0100, "Chris Stevens"
 wrote:

>Toby Newman wrote:
>>
>> I love flying from America to the UK. The difference in views from the
>> plane window is brilliant. In the US they are these massive grids of
>> uniform fields. In the UK it's this hotch-potch quilted affair with
>> little copses and spires scattered throughout. It always fills me with
>> pride and I'm not normally patriotic at all.
>
>It's not just the fields, though, is it?
>I just happened to have both a UK and a US roads dataset open when I read 
>your post. I centered each on the first city that came to mind (Birmingham 
>and Chicago), set the scale to the same on each, and here they are:
>
>www.thestevensfamily.plus.com/birmingham.bmp
>www.thestevensfamily.plus.com/chicago.bmp
>
>I know which I prefer, practical or not. :)

Your choice of Birmingham made it a trickier decision than I was
expecting...

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"By all means marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy;
if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher." - Socrates

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


>But don't stay there, find a cottage/guest house in a little village
>in the middle of your destination.

Ah, we wouldn't. At the moment we're still undecided, and I'm actually
looking into driving the myself again. It might turn out not much more
expensive, and it's much less of a hassle....

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:13:39 +0200, Nils Tanner 
wrote:

>Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
> got it all completely wrong and wrote:
>
>
>>But don't stay there, find a cottage/guest house in a little village
>>in the middle of your destination.
>
>Ah, we wouldn't. At the moment we're still undecided, and I'm actually
>looking into driving the myself again. It might turn out not much more
>expensive, and it's much less of a hassle....

You know petrol prices over here are currently £1.10/l unleaded,
£1.20/l diesel?

	Cheers - Jaimie
-- 
"Heisenberg may have slept here"

james.sutherland@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Zomoniac  wrote:
> 
>> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
> 
> I'm sure Sheffield will be lovely once they've finished it.

It needs the same Irish regeneration plan that Manchester had.

Chris Whitworth wrote:
> On 2008-08-26, james.sutherland@gmail.com  wrote:
>> On Aug 26, 9:43 am, Zomoniac  wrote:
>>
>>> Don't come to Sheffield. It's shit here.
>> I'm sure Sheffield will be lovely once they've finished knocking it down.
> 
> IFYP
> 
This reminds me of a feature on post apocalyptic news stories that was 
in The Guide a few years go which wrote, "After an asteroid hit 
Middlesbrough inflicting several billion pounds of improvements..."

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
 got it all completely wrong and wrote:


>>>But don't stay there, find a cottage/guest house in a little village
>>>in the middle of your destination.
>>
>>Ah, we wouldn't. At the moment we're still undecided, and I'm actually
>>looking into driving the myself again. It might turn out not much more
>>expensive, and it's much less of a hassle....
>
>You know petrol prices over here are currently £1.10/l unleaded,
>£1.20/l diesel?

Yes, I do :-(

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:42:56 +0200, Nils Tanner wrote:

> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, Jaimie Vandenbergh
>  got it all completely wrong and wrote:
> 
> 
>>>>But don't stay there, find a cottage/guest house in a little village
>>>>in the middle of your destination.
>>>
>>>Ah, we wouldn't. At the moment we're still undecided, and I'm actually
>>>looking into driving the myself again. It might turn out not much more
>>>expensive, and it's much less of a hassle....
>>
>>You know petrol prices over here are currently £1.10/l unleaded,
>>£1.20/l diesel?
> 
> Yes, I do :-(

Get your self these books just in case you go anywhere near something in
them 'Bollocks to Alton Towers: Uncommonly British Days Out' and 'Far from
the Sodding Crowd: More Uncommonly British Days Out'

Very cheap on Amazon and a good insight to places to visit that aren't
tourist traps - very far from them in fact :)

jochta  wrote:

> Nils Tanner wrote:
> > The girl and I are thinking about going to England this autumn. The
> > problem is, we don't really know where to go. Any good ideas?
> > 
> > Here's what we've figured out so far.
> > A year ago, we travelled from Dover to Land's End by car, which was
> > fantastic. We also had a look at various places in Cornwall and the
> > south coast. So we don't necessarily want to do that again.
> > 
> > London is a no-no.
> > 
> > We'll travel by car, so out-of-the-way-places can be reached. However,
> > we don't want to go too far up north, as I might be going there next
> > spring...
> > 
> > Ah, and we haven't got unlimited money, so super-fancy-hotels are out.
> > 
> > So, where should we go KTHX...
> 
> I would vote for Wales or Scotland but they aren't England so how about
> the North Yorkshire coast or the Lake District. The Derbyshire Dales are
> nice too.

Also, the peaks are nice.

Choobs
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