http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/13/twilight-princess-gone-til-november/

Twilight Princess gone 'til November

Feb 13th 2006 12:45PM by James Ransom-Wiley

Nintendo has declined to update the release status of The Legend of
Zelda: Twilight Princess since announcing that the title would be
delayed into 2006, but according to TVG, Best Buy recently informed
pre-orderers that the game will not ship until November-at the
earliest. Gulp.

If true, we can expect to see Twilight Princess debuting alongside the
Nintendo Revolution, as many have speculated would be the case all
along. A current-gen title the killer launch app for a next-gen
console? Hey, if there's a company that's gonna pull it off, its name's
Nintendo.


______________________________


http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Twilight_Princess_Slips_To_November_9295_3858_0.htm

Twilight Princess Slips To November
Just in time for the Revolution you say; strange that...
Posted: 12:29 on 13 Feb 2006
By: Chris Leyton

When Nintendo first made the fated announcement that The Legend of
Zelda: The Twilight Princess would slip from Christmas 2005 into 2006,
many assumed a slight delay; several weeks later Nintendo confirmed a
Q1 2006 without any mention of Link's return and so the assumption was
for a Summer release. That however could be wrong again with Best Buy
recently informing all pre-order customers that the game won't ship
till November 2006 at the earliest.

Despite the disappointment the information hardly comes as a surprise,
given the fact that Twilight Princess will likely be used as a
"killer-app" for the Revolution thanks to its backwards-compatibility
and the lack of a true Revolution Zelda title at launch.

The suggestion throws further weight behind the allegation that
Twilight Princess will feature Revolution features (fishing anyone),
despite Nintendo's continued denials that this isn't the case.

______________________


Best Buy pre-orders update
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/98724302_092af87c6d_o.jpg

On 13 Feb 2006 10:39:27 -0800, "Air Raid" 
wrote:

/snip a couple of crap quotes/

oh so a retailer guesses that it won't be out until november.

oh no.

i'm sure most people would rather get their release info from nintendo
themselves.
-- 

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http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk

"Air Raid"  wrote in message 
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> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/13/twilight-princess-gone-til-november/
>
> Twilight Princess gone 'til November
>
> Feb 13th 2006 12:45PM by James Ransom-Wiley
>

I thought you were *the* Mr First? It became apparent a while ago that 
November was the release date - I posted ages ago when an unusually large 
number of online traders quite suddenly slated November as the pre-order 
estimated delivery time.

Bet you just hate it when that happens? GET UP EARLIER!!!

"Chris F"  wrote in message 
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> On 13 Feb 2006 10:39:27 -0800, "Air Raid" 
> wrote:
>
> /snip a couple of crap quotes/
>
> oh so a retailer guesses that it won't be out until november.
>
> oh no.
>
> i'm sure most people would rather get their release info from nintendo
> themselves.
> -- 


To be fair on him, it's not just one retailer - an unnervingly high number 
of retailers, journalists and even their dogs have suddenly started touting 
November 06 as the release date - this much smoke must have a flame 
responsible for it. And remember who we are talking about here.....you know? 
Nintendo? It's not like it'd be the first time - they are the worst 
offenders of the whole industry in this respect.

All this is eerily like the talk that usually precedes the official line - 
you have to admit.

exactly, exactly.

What are you, stupid? Rare are the ones who love to delay games for years, 
not months.  To be honest, I can't remember the last time Nintendo delayed a 
game more then 6 months.

Unless Nintendo went agasit there word and rewrote the game for the Revo, 
I'm still expecting the game before or after E3 as there is no sense in 
launching it at Revo's launch if it doesn't have full Revo features.

And besides, retailers are idiots.

"Slitheen"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Chris F"  wrote in message 
> news:gt52v1ptkrpjq3ln7se8q556ngjoafc5sk@4ax.com...
>> On 13 Feb 2006 10:39:27 -0800, "Air Raid" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> /snip a couple of crap quotes/
>>
>> oh so a retailer guesses that it won't be out until november.
>>
>> oh no.
>>
>> i'm sure most people would rather get their release info from nintendo
>> themselves.
>> -- 
>
>
> To be fair on him, it's not just one retailer - an unnervingly high number 
> of retailers, journalists and even their dogs have suddenly started 
> touting November 06 as the release date - this much smoke must have a 
> flame responsible for it. And remember who we are talking about 
> here.....you know? Nintendo? It's not like it'd be the first time - they 
> are the worst offenders of the whole industry in this respect.
>
> All this is eerily like the talk that usually precedes the official line - 
> you have to admit.
>

Does the word 'RARE' ring any bells? SFA perhaps...?
"Air Raid"  wrote in message 
news:1139875147.291599.177310@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> exactly, exactly.
>

Slitheen wrote:

> To be fair on him, it's not just one retailer - an unnervingly high number 
> of retailers, journalists and even their dogs have suddenly started touting 
> November 06 as the release date - this much smoke must have a flame 
> responsible for it. And remember who we are talking about here.....you know? 
> Nintendo? It's not like it'd be the first time - they are the worst 
> offenders of the whole industry in this respect.

Perhaps in the console industry.  Blizzard routinely pushes back the 
release dates on their games for up to five years.  That said, their 
games are always worth the wait.  Here's hoping Twilight Princess will 
be, too.

"Jonesy"  wrote in message 
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> What are you, stupid? Rare are the ones who love to delay games for years, 
> not months.  To be honest, I can't remember the last time Nintendo delayed 
> a game more then 6 months.
>
> Unless Nintendo went agasit there word and rewrote the game for the Revo, 
> I'm still expecting the game before or after E3 as there is no sense in 
> launching it at Revo's launch if it doesn't have full Revo features.
>
> And besides, retailers are idiots.


Oh come on, Rare are bad yes - but that's like saying Charles Manson wasn't 
bad because Hitler was worse. Nintendo *do* delay games, and I'm 35 years 
old, so perhaps I've got more of a history with this company than you to be 
able to adequately judge their past form, I don't know. Their games are 
often delayed, and in the past this hasn't been too bad a thing, as it's 
normally for the right reasons...making the games better, and the sole 
reason I love them (and hate them...'N' and I have a love/hate affair going 
on). Yes, they have got better....because they stopped delaying games to 
make them better, they no longer can afford to - which was why versions of 
games like Mario Kart, Zelda, Super Mario, Waverace, Starfox and many others 
were actually better games on the last system, N64. But this delay isn't for 
the good old reason, the one that had our interests at heart, this is to use 
ZTP to try and flog us their next console.......when I for one want to play 
games on the console I've invested in already - Gamecube, and should expect 
to, frankly.

And ZTP could have been ready for a Spring/Summer at latest 2006 release 
date, of that I'm convinced.

We'll see, I have a habit of reviving old posts from the archive, so don't 
be surprised, come November or later, that I bring up yours...with a big fat 
"told you so".

Don't get me wrong though, I actually hope you are right and that I'm wrong. 
Obviously, I'm both a fan of Nintendo and a fan of Zelda...I pray to God 
that *you're* the one saying "told you so".

"Steve Williams"  wrote in message 
news:2jcIf.14990$T35.311920@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Slitheen wrote:
>
>> To be fair on him, it's not just one retailer - an unnervingly high 
>> number of retailers, journalists and even their dogs have suddenly 
>> started touting November 06 as the release date - this much smoke must 
>> have a flame responsible for it. And remember who we are talking about 
>> here.....you know? Nintendo? It's not like it'd be the first time - they 
>> are the worst offenders of the whole industry in this respect.
>
> Perhaps in the console industry.  Blizzard routinely pushes back the 
> release dates on their games for up to five years.  That said, their games 
> are always worth the wait.  Here's hoping Twilight Princess will be, too.

Of course. Well put.

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:05:33 GMT, "Slitheen"
 wrote:

>
>Oh come on, Rare are bad yes - but that's like saying Charles Manson wasn't 
>bad because Hitler was worse. Nintendo *do* delay games, and I'm 35 years 
>old, so perhaps I've got more of a history with this company than you to be 
>able to adequately judge their past form, I don't know. Their games are 
>often delayed, and in the past this hasn't been too bad a thing, as it's 
>normally for the right reasons...making the games better, and the sole 
>reason I love them (and hate them...'N' and I have a love/hate affair going 
>on). Yes, they have got better....because they stopped delaying games to 
>make them better, they no longer can afford to - which was why versions of 
>games like Mario Kart, Zelda, Super Mario, Waverace, Starfox and many others 
>were actually better games on the last system, N64. But this delay isn't for 
>the good old reason, the one that had our interests at heart, this is to use 
>ZTP to try and flog us their next console.......when I for one want to play 
>games on the console I've invested in already - Gamecube, and should expect 
>to, frankly.
>

Hell, I remmeber that Zelda II was at least a year out of original
estimated release.  This isn't a new practice by any means, as
mentioned above.

Larry Laffer wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:05:33 GMT, "Slitheen"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> >Oh come on, Rare are bad yes - but that's like saying Charles Manson wasn't
> >bad because Hitler was worse. Nintendo *do* delay games, and I'm 35 years
> >old, so perhaps I've got more of a history with this company than you to be
> >able to adequately judge their past form, I don't know. Their games are
> >often delayed, and in the past this hasn't been too bad a thing, as it's
> >normally for the right reasons...making the games better, and the sole
> >reason I love them (and hate them...'N' and I have a love/hate affair going
> >on). Yes, they have got better....because they stopped delaying games to
> >make them better, they no longer can afford to - which was why versions of
> >games like Mario Kart, Zelda, Super Mario, Waverace, Starfox and many others
> >were actually better games on the last system, N64. But this delay isn't for
> >the good old reason, the one that had our interests at heart, this is to use
> >ZTP to try and flog us their next console.......when I for one want to play
> >games on the console I've invested in already - Gamecube, and should expect
> >to, frankly.
> >
>
> Hell, I remmeber that Zelda II was at least a year out of original
> estimated release.  This isn't a new practice by any means, as
> mentioned above.

you mean Zelda II as in Zelda II: The Adventure of Link on the NES in
the late 80s ?
(not sure, I was not really into Nintendo back then, and memory is
fuzzy)

Air Raid wrote:
> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/13/twilight-princess-gone-til-november/
> 
> Twilight Princess gone 'til November
> 
> Feb 13th 2006 12:45PM by James Ransom-Wiley
> 
> Nintendo has declined to update the release status of The Legend of
> Zelda: Twilight Princess since announcing that the title would be
> delayed into 2006, but according to TVG, Best Buy recently informed
> pre-orderers that the game will not ship until November-at the
> earliest. Gulp.
> 
> If true, we can expect to see Twilight Princess debuting alongside the
> Nintendo Revolution, as many have speculated would be the case all
> along. A current-gen title the killer launch app for a next-gen
> console? Hey, if there's a company that's gonna pull it off, its name's
> Nintendo.
> 
> 
> ______________________________
> 
> 
> http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Twilight_Princess_Slips_To_November_9295_3858_0.htm
> 
> Twilight Princess Slips To November
> Just in time for the Revolution you say; strange that...
> Posted: 12:29 on 13 Feb 2006
> By: Chris Leyton
> 
> When Nintendo first made the fated announcement that The Legend of
> Zelda: The Twilight Princess would slip from Christmas 2005 into 2006,
> many assumed a slight delay; several weeks later Nintendo confirmed a
> Q1 2006 without any mention of Link's return and so the assumption was
> for a Summer release. That however could be wrong again with Best Buy
> recently informing all pre-order customers that the game won't ship
> till November 2006 at the earliest.
> 
> Despite the disappointment the information hardly comes as a surprise,
> given the fact that Twilight Princess will likely be used as a
> "killer-app" for the Revolution thanks to its backwards-compatibility
> and the lack of a true Revolution Zelda title at launch.
> 
> The suggestion throws further weight behind the allegation that
> Twilight Princess will feature Revolution features (fishing anyone),
> despite Nintendo's continued denials that this isn't the case.
> 
> ______________________
> 
> 
> Best Buy pre-orders update
> http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/98724302_092af87c6d_o.jpg
> 


Hmmm, now I have a tough choice.

I have a US cube, and will be getting a UK Rev. So for which do I buy Z:TP?

Before it was simple. Get it for the cube as it'll be out before the 
Rev, but now *if* it is a(n almost) release title for the Rev, do I get 
the UK edition?

This is just not fair...

Slitheen wrote:
> 
> Oh come on, Rare are bad yes - but that's like saying Charles Manson wasn't 
> bad because Hitler was worse. Nintendo *do* delay games, and I'm 35 years 
> old, so perhaps I've got more of a history with this company than you to be 
> able to adequately judge their past form, I don't know. Their games are 
> often delayed, 

If a game has been given no exact release date, then how can it be delayed?


-- 
[ste]
"No cars go
Where we know"

more websites are also reporting the delay.
http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html

On 14 Feb 2006 14:48:20 -0800, "Air Raid" 
wrote:

>
>more websites are also reporting the delay.
>http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html

wow.

so because some more sites quote the SAME source, it must be true.
-- 

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http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk

Chris F wrote:
> On 14 Feb 2006 14:48:20 -0800, "Air Raid" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>more websites are also reporting the delay.
>>http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>>http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
> 
> wow.
> 
> so because some more sites quote the SAME source, it must be true.


Especially with that source being Best Buy, which is quite frankly shit 
in it's pc/videogames support.


-- 
[ste]
"No cars go
Where we know"

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:13:18 +0000, "[ste parker]"
 wrote:

>Chris F wrote:
>> On 14 Feb 2006 14:48:20 -0800, "Air Raid" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>more websites are also reporting the delay.
>>>http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>>>http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
>> 
>> wow.
>> 
>> so because some more sites quote the SAME source, it must be true.
>
>
>Especially with that source being Best Buy, which is quite frankly shit 
>in it's pc/videogames support.

he'll be quoting amazon to tell us when duke nukem forever is out
next.
-- 

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http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk

"Air Raid"  wrote in message news:1139855967.483210.255960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/02/13/twilight-princess-gone-til-november/
>
> Twilight Princess gone 'til November

Wrong.  You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

On 14 Feb 2006 01:14:45 -0800, "Air Raid" 
wrote:


>> Hell, I remmeber that Zelda II was at least a year out of original
>> estimated release.  This isn't a new practice by any means, as
>> mentioned above.
>
>you mean Zelda II as in Zelda II: The Adventure of Link on the NES in
>the late 80s ?
>(not sure, I was not really into Nintendo back then, and memory is
>fuzzy)

Yes.  

I've been a nintendo fan from the start :)

"[ste parker]"  wrote in message 
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> Slitheen wrote:
>>
>> Oh come on, Rare are bad yes - but that's like saying Charles Manson 
>> wasn't bad because Hitler was worse. Nintendo *do* delay games, and I'm 
>> 35 years old, so perhaps I've got more of a history with this company 
>> than you to be able to adequately judge their past form, I don't know. 
>> Their games are often delayed,
>
> If a game has been given no exact release date, then how can it be 
> delayed?
>
>

Maybe not a specific one, but the cusp of the Japanese fiscal year was more 
than hinted at, to be fair.

"Air Raid"  wrote in message 
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>
> more websites are also reporting the delay.
> http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
> http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
>

I like the way one says "Does this mean it could be the killer app for the 
Revolution launch?" - er, no......I plan to play it on Gamecube...I'll have 
years to play the Rev specific features, if that's what the wait is for. 
*IF*, however, it ends up Rev only....and they've blagged us all along, I'll 
cry - and probably protest by not buying their console.

You get to a point in life where you get sick of getting screwed in the arse 
by corporations. But now I am being a pessimist, and shall now fall quietly 
back in line, like a good little fan-boy, and believe it *will* be a Cube 
game after all, and that I *don't* have to wait until November to play this 
[hopefully] amazing and special game. LOL :)

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:31:10 GMT, "Slitheen"
 wrote:

>
>"Air Raid"  wrote in message 
>news:1139957300.125958.6200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> more websites are also reporting the delay.
>> http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>> http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
>>
>
>I like the way one says "Does this mean it could be the killer app for the 
>Revolution launch?" - er, no......I plan to play it on Gamecube...I'll have 
>years to play the Rev specific features, if that's what the wait is for. 
>*IF*, however, it ends up Rev only....and they've blagged us all along, I'll 
>cry - and probably protest by not buying their console.
>
so if they change their release schedule and launch it with a console
you were going to buy anyway, you won't buy the console because they
released the game you most want to play for it?

manc logic...

;)

>You get to a point in life where you get sick of getting screwed in the arse 
>by corporations. But now I am being a pessimist, and shall now fall quietly 
>back in line, like a good little fan-boy, and believe it *will* be a Cube 
>game after all, and that I *don't* have to wait until November to play this 
>[hopefully] amazing and special game. LOL :) 
>
I'd rather nintendo took their time and finished it and made a truly
astounding game. if it takes until november, it takes until november.
-- 

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http://live.xbox.com/member/Chrisflynnuk

Slitheen wrote:
> "Air Raid"  wrote in message 
> news:1139957300.125958.6200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> more websites are also reporting the delay.
>> http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>> http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
>>
> 
> I like the way one says "Does this mean it could be the killer app for the 
> Revolution launch?" - er, no......I plan to play it on Gamecube...I'll have 
> years to play the Rev specific features, if that's what the wait is for. 
> *IF*, however, it ends up Rev only....and they've blagged us all along, I'll 
> cry - and probably protest by not buying their console.
> 
> You get to a point in life where you get sick of getting screwed in the arse 
> by corporations. But now I am being a pessimist, and shall now fall quietly 
> back in line, like a good little fan-boy, and believe it *will* be a Cube 
> game after all, and that I *don't* have to wait until November to play this 
> [hopefully] amazing and special game. LOL :) 
> 
> 

I dunno, if they release it for the gcn, and then say, "ooooo, look at 
all this fancy stuff you can do if you play it on the rev" (like the 
Zelda Oracle games for the GBC had area's that only opened if you played 
them on the GBA) it might poke people into buying their new console = 
more money + market share for them!

Slitheen wrote:
> "[ste parker]"  wrote in message 
> news:45e9r1F6bvpaU1@individual.net...
> 
>>
>>If a game has been given no exact release date, then how can it be 
>>delayed?
>>
> 
> Maybe not a specific one, but the cusp of the Japanese fiscal year was more 
> than hinted at, to be fair. 
> 

If the press decide to jump to conclusions based on nothing more than a 
hint, then I fail to see why it's so sensational when their made up 
stories based on said hint turn out not to be true.  Especially when 
this latest "news" is based on little more than another hint on the 
release date set by a retail outlet that has no clue about games.

-- 
[ste]
"No cars go
Where we know"

"Chris F"  wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:31:10 GMT, "Slitheen"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Air Raid"  wrote in message
>>news:1139957300.125958.6200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> more websites are also reporting the delay.
>>> http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>>> http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
>>>
>>
>>I like the way one says "Does this mean it could be the killer app for the
>>Revolution launch?" - er, no......I plan to play it on Gamecube...I'll 
>>have
>>years to play the Rev specific features, if that's what the wait is for.
>>*IF*, however, it ends up Rev only....and they've blagged us all along, 
>>I'll
>>cry - and probably protest by not buying their console.
>>
> so if they change their release schedule and launch it with a console
> you were going to buy anyway, you won't buy the console because they
> released the game you most want to play for it?
>
> manc logic...

Or Manc principle - I'm sure you Geordies have them? Alan Shearer certainly 
has! (hence the decision not to sell out, and stay and play for his 'toon') 
:)

The thing is, this game is highly more than likely ready, it has seemingly 
been put on sandbags till closer to the launch of their new system 
(allegedly), to be used as an incentive for people to buy that. What message 
does that send out to the people who have invested in the here & now? I 
bought Gamecube on the trust that when the games I want are ready, they're 
released. I've had years of this treatment by this industry, and I'm 
personally quite sick of it. This industry gets away with murder. If a band 
have finished their album, they release it - they don't sandbag it for half 
a year to release on the start of their next tour, to sell tickets for that 
(well, pop generic shite owned by Simon Cowell may do - not Indie bands or 
anyone with an ounce of decency). That's the analogy that came straight to 
my mind anyway.

Some people are seemingly very happy to whip down their kecks and let big 
companies shag them in the arse, with not a word of complaint - and some 
even cry for more. This particular gamer's ringpiece is a bit too sore from 
all that, you'll have to excuse me.  (yes, that analogy was the first that 
sprung to my mind too)  ;)


Tell me, in all honesty, if you found out this game was fully ready for sale 
yet they had put it on ice until Revolution came out - you wouldn't be 
pissed? And please try not to answer that as a X360 owner who has plenty to 
keep him occupied until it does come along - not all of us have (or want) 
one of them, at least try to see my POV of the people that only own one 
system (not that I am, I have several).


Of course, I'd more than likely still buy it if this was all true, if I'm 
honest with you, but that doesn't make it right still. I'm also willing to 
take a bet with anyone here that this game will come out in November, and 
I'll honour it too - if anyone wants to put the money where their mouth is, 
I'm game. Of course this is speculation, but it is educated speculation - 
forget that it comes from some crap store - people know what Nintendo are 
like, well some of us do anyway. It's an educated guess, and that's much 
better than blind faith in my book.

Jeebus, It was only a small few months ago that some of the very people 
contributing to this thread argued with me till they were blue in the face 
that the non existent 100 Mario's was still coming to Gamecube - I'll not 
mention names. I don't wish to cause embarrassment here, I'm just trying to 
make a point. I tell you one thing though, I got seriously flamed for saying 
it wouldn't come to Gamecube. Why it's so hard to express an opinion that 
negatively questions Nintendo round here is quite beyond me  - I won't say 
*that* word.

I've suddenly got an enormous sense of Déjà Vu though. :)

"Vitani" <moc.tfosxft@inativ> wrote in message 
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> Slitheen wrote:
>> "Air Raid"  wrote in message 
>> news:1139957300.125958.6200@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>> more websites are also reporting the delay.
>>> http://cube.gamespy.com/gamecube/the-legend-of-zelda-the-wind-waker-2/688368p1.html
>>> http://www.igniq.com/2006/02/nintendo-revolution-ps3-to-face-off.html
>>>
>>
>> I like the way one says "Does this mean it could be the killer app for 
>> the Revolution launch?" - er, no......I plan to play it on 
>> Gamecube...I'll have years to play the Rev specific features, if that's 
>> what the wait is for. *IF*, however, it ends up Rev only....and they've 
>> blagged us all along, I'll cry - and probably protest by not buying their 
>> console.
>>
>> You get to a point in life where you get sick of getting screwed in the 
>> arse by corporations. But now I am being a pessimist, and shall now fall 
>> quietly back in line, like a good little fan-boy, and believe it *will* 
>> be a Cube game after all, and that I *don't* have to wait until November 
>> to play this [hopefully] amazing and special game. LOL :)
>
> I dunno, if they release it for the gcn, and then say, "ooooo, look at all 
> this fancy stuff you can do if you play it on the rev" (like the Zelda 
> Oracle games for the GBC had area's that only opened if you played them on 
> the GBA) it might poke people into buying their new console = more money + 
> market share for them!

I suppose so - well, that's the best argument I've heard for pro ZTP delay 
anyway. A good point well made.

However, I'd be happy to play it now, and then re-play it for all the 
alleged Rev content if and when I buy that....but I suppose we hardcore 
Zelda fans are not the people they're thinking of when decisions like this 
are made, they have to look at the bigger picture I suppose. I would also 
forgive Nintendo for making a decision like this when you consider their 
position in terms of market share. The only thing that troubles me with that 
though is that Nintendo Gamecube is actually profitable...where Xbox simply 
isn't, and PS2 and PSP are only keeping Sony's head above water due to the 
fact it is subsidising their massive losses elsewhere in their corporation.

Also, Revolution should rightly have its own software to sing and dance 
about, and sell the system. I feel it shouldn't be left to a Gamecube game 
that we who have shown our loyalty to them by buying *this* generation of 
hardware are all gagging for. I can also, I suppose, see the sense of them 
wanting to put it out nearer the festive season and launch of PS3, if only 
to remind people that this is still a three horse race. So I am flexible on 
this, yes.....but only to a point. It's just that despite no significant 
release date ever being given, we have still been led to believe it would be 
out a lot sooner than November.

"[ste parker]"  wrote in message 
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> Slitheen wrote:
>> "[ste parker]"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>>
>>>If a game has been given no exact release date, then how can it be 
>>>delayed?
>>>
>>
>> Maybe not a specific one, but the cusp of the Japanese fiscal year was 
>> more than hinted at, to be fair.
>
> If the press decide to jump to conclusions based on nothing more than a 
> hint, then I fail to see why it's so sensational when their made up 
> stories based on said hint turn out not to be true.  Especially when this 
> latest "news" is based on little more than another hint on the release 
> date set by a retail outlet that has no clue about games.
>
> -- 

If that hint you're going on about was the one that actually said in no 
uncertain terms that the development team had asked, specifically, for an 
extra six months development time, I fail to see how people *couldn't* draw 
a conclusion on it. Whatever you say, the cusp of the Japanese fiscal year 
was what nearly everyone believed to be the release date - it was a 
conclusion arrived at by adding on six months to the previous, purported 
release date.

For the record, when did you believe was something approaching the actual 
release date?

Slitheen wrote:
> 
> If that hint you're going on about was the one that actually said in no 
> uncertain terms that the development team had asked, specifically, for an 
> extra six months development time, I fail to see how people *couldn't* draw 
> a conclusion on it. Whatever you say, the cusp of the Japanese fiscal year 
> was what nearly everyone believed to be the release date - it was a 
> conclusion arrived at by adding on six months to the previous, purported 
> release date.
> 

There's still no delays as far as the consumer is concerned, as the 
release date for the game hasn't passed due to said release date never 
being given.  Haven't Nintendo always said "when it's ready"?  The thing 
I happen to be on about is the reason for this thread (which was a 
retailer guessing a date), nothing more.


> For the record, when did you believe was something approaching the actual 
> release date? 
> 

2006.  However, if you have to pin me down I'll say it'll be out close 
to or on the release date that Nintendo give.  Which they haven't.

-- 
[ste]
"No cars go
Where we know"

Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, "Slitheen"
 got it all completely wrong and
wrote:


>Also, Revolution should rightly have its own software to sing and dance 
>about, and sell the system. I feel it shouldn't be left to a Gamecube game 
>that we who have shown our loyalty to them by buying *this* generation of 
>hardware are all gagging for. 

What if one didn't buy the current generation console just for this
game? I couldn't care less when the new Zelda is out. Sure, I'm
looking forward to it, and I'd rather have it now than tomorrow. But I
don't actually think Nintendo is delaying it just for some marketing
thingy. I simply assume it's not quite ready yet and it might need
more time than they anticipated to be perfect (more or less...).

"Nils Tanner"  wrote in message 
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> Why is a mushroom called mushroom? As usual, "Slitheen"
>  got it all completely wrong and
> wrote:
>
>
>>Also, Revolution should rightly have its own software to sing and dance
>>about, and sell the system. I feel it shouldn't be left to a Gamecube game
>>that we who have shown our loyalty to them by buying *this* generation of
>>hardware are all gagging for.
>
> What if one didn't buy the current generation console just for this
> game? I couldn't care less when the new Zelda is out. Sure, I'm
> looking forward to it, and I'd rather have it now than tomorrow. But I
> don't actually think Nintendo is delaying it just for some marketing
> thingy. I simply assume it's not quite ready yet and it might need
> more time than they anticipated to be perfect (more or less...).

Mmmm, I'm too much of a cynic. Not a born one mind, I've been twisted by 
agonising delays for games I want to play yesterday, for far too long. *IF* 
it is the case they're only delaying for the reasons you give, I'd be the 
happiest man here - let's hope so. But I'm sorry to say that this is how 
companies think sometimes, they're there to make money after all. They're 
not this big happiness factory with only our interests at heart - and likely 
to think no differently than, say, manufacturers of inkjet printers and ink, 
for a wild example, and they certainly don't sit their beavering away all 
day at making their products better regardless of timelines and profits. 
They devise strategies to make money. Lots of it, as and when possible.

Nintendo do stand up for quality though, I'll give them that. Unfortunately, 
I think this used to be the case more in the past than present though - once 
they could afford such a luxury, now I'm not so sure. This is why I'm so 
protective and perhaps a bit paranoid of their ethics. I used to have no 
doubts of them, but certain circumstances have driven my reasoning - once 
bitten twice shy....as they say. :)

http://vooks.net/modules.php?module=article&id=465

Mmm?