The Gaming Crypt, as proud local sponsors of Game 08, brings you PTQ
Kyoto on Saturday 1 November 2008 at The Armitage Centre,
Manchester.

This is the main MTG event over the weekend of 1 November and 2
November 2008.  Other events on this weekend are Legacy, Extended,
Pick-Up drafts and Junior events.  Further postings to follow.

Entrance fee to the PTQ is a total of £22, which is in line with WotC
UK policy.  The fee is £7 entrance fee for the day to Game 08, plus
£15 entry to the tournament.

First prize is a Flight voucher to Kyoto, Japan along with automatic
entry to the Pro Tour event.

This is a sealed Shards of Alara event comprising 1 Shards Tournament
Pack and 2 boosters.  Top 8 after the Swiss rounds will draft 3 Shards
boosters each.

Timing is registration at 10am, with the tournament starting at 11am.
You can also pre-register on www.gamecon.co.uk.  Whilst you're there,
see what else Game 08 has to offer over the weekend.

The address of the event is as follows.  With plenty of FREE on site
parking, and being close to local bus routes the venue provides easy
access to all competitors.
The Armitage Centre
Moseley Road
Fallowfield
Manchester
M14 6HE

For further information email cardmanager@gamecon.co.uk or
dave@thegamingcrypt.com

Phone/SMS 07770 952075

Look forward to seeing you all there.

Dave Clayton
The Gaming Crypt

So, to play in your PTQ we have to stump up an extra 7 quid??? I'm
sure Game '08 has a lot to offer, but if i'm playing in the PTQ i
doubt there'll be much opportunity to sample anything else. What's the
point?

To be honest, it just seems like a way for creaming more £££'s out of
us players.

I'm surprised Wizards allow it! Actually... no i'm not.

Mark

Seems pretty normal to me - you can't get into a con' for free on the basis 
you're going to play in one of the events, very few people would end up 
paying.

Mark, its not a way of creaming more money from players, its in line
with WotC pricing, which is price of product plus £10.

I know there has been a lot of discussion around the £10 as its seen
to be high, for both sealed and constructed premier events, but in my
opinion, its good value, particularly as you have venue fees, judges
support, staff wages etc etc to stump up for.  Where I have a slightly
different view is where the premier events are held in a store, when
the rent, rates etc have been paid for over a period, then it seems a
little OTT.

What we have done at The Crypt is put the additional £10 into prize
support.  For example, we ran a GPT last weekend which was sealed
Shadowmoor/Eventide and charged £22 to enter.  The winner not only
took home the byes, but a return flight to Paris on the weekend of the
GP.  None of the players grumbled at the price as they could see where
the entry fee was going and was happy to pay for it.

Similarly, for one off events, like Game 08, and premier events out of
store (including indy TOs) a high proportion of the £10 goes into the
cost of hiring the venue.  We ourselves use a venue in Manchester that
we have extra to pay when we use it.

So, on balance, I think the extra £10 is good value wherever the event
is held, its just how its used that is the issue for me.  Where else
can you get up to 10 hours of entertainment for £10?

Oh and to answer your point about about experiencing anything else,
the PTQ should finish around 9pm and if your lucky enough to make it
to the final, I agree its not likely.  But as the venue is open all
through the night, I would expect you should get some time to taste
what else is on offer.

Regards

Dave Clayton
The Gaming Crypt

On 23 Sep, 09:31, mtgdave  wrote:
> Mark, its not a way of creaming more money from players, its in line
> with WotC pricing, which is price of product plus £10.
>
> I know there has been a lot of discussion around the £10 as its seen
> to be high, for both sealed and constructed premier events, but in my
> opinion, its good value, particularly as you have venue fees, judges
> support, staff wages etc etc to stump up for.  Where I have a slightly
> different view is where the premier events are held in a store, when
> the rent, rates etc have been paid for over a period, then it seems a
> little OTT.
>
> What we have done at The Crypt is put the additional £10 into prize
> support.  For example, we ran a GPT last weekend which was sealed
> Shadowmoor/Eventide and charged £22 to enter.  The winner not only
> took home the byes, but a return flight to Paris on the weekend of the
> GP.  None of the players grumbled at the price as they could see where
> the entry fee was going and was happy to pay for it.
>
> Similarly, for one off events, like Game 08, and premier events out of
> store (including indy TOs) a high proportion of the £10 goes into the
> cost of hiring the venue.  We ourselves use a venue in Manchester that
> we have extra to pay when we use it.
>
> So, on balance, I think the extra £10 is good value wherever the event
> is held, its just how its used that is the issue for me.  Where else
> can you get up to 10 hours of entertainment for £10?
>
> Oh and to answer your point about about experiencing anything else,
> the PTQ should finish around 9pm and if your lucky enough to make it
> to the final, I agree its not likely.  But as the venue is open all
> through the night, I would expect you should get some time to taste
> what else is on offer.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Clayton
> The Gaming Crypt

I also note you offer plenty of FREE parking, that in itself could
easily cost you £5 a day on its own. Keep up the good work. My answer
to anyone else who constantly complains is. "If you think you can do
better put you money where your mouth is and organise events yourself"
You will then see there are not huge profits in it at all but people
that care for the game who without there would be no events at all.

From a player's point of view, £22 to enter a sealed PTQ is still
steep. To be honest, there isn't anything else going on at Game 08
that i'd be interested in doing, so it seems to me (my personal view)
that i'd be paying extra to subsidise the convention. All i actually
want to do is turn up, play the PTQ and go home again, and the extra
cost is a dis-incentive for me to do that.

The only other PTQ / Nat Q's i attended that were at conventions
(London & Torquay) had free entry for those enrolled in the Magic
event. Is there a reason you can't do the same, or at least have a
reduced entry fee for PTQ'ers?

Your point about GPT's is different. I don't mind paying an extra £5
when it effectively improves the prize fund by offering a flight to
the winner. In fact, i think it's an excellent idea, and is the reason
i've been playing more GPT's lately.

Boomer, I hardly think it fair to say i'm a constant complainer. I've
always tried to offer constructive criticism on this newsgroup, and in
the Magic community as a whole.

Mark

On 23 Sep, 11:58, magicbusmark  wrote:
> From a player's point of view, £22 to enter a sealed PTQ is still
> steep. To be honest, there isn't anything else going on at Game 08
> that i'd be interested in doing, so it seems to me (my personal view)
> that i'd be paying extra to subsidise the convention. All i actually
> want to do is turn up, play the PTQ and go home again, and the extra
> cost is a dis-incentive for me to do that.
>
> The only other PTQ / Nat Q's i attended that were at conventions
> (London & Torquay) had free entry for those enrolled in the Magic
> event. Is there a reason you can't do the same, or at least have a
> reduced entry fee for PTQ'ers?
>
> Your point about GPT's is different. I don't mind paying an extra £5
> when it effectively improves the prize fund by offering a flight to
> the winner. In fact, i think it's an excellent idea, and is the reason
> i've been playing more GPT's lately.
>
> Boomer, I hardly think it fair to say i'm a constant complainer. I've
> always tried to offer constructive criticism on this newsgroup, and in
> the Magic community as a whole.
>
> Mark

This comment was not particularly aimed at you but the magic Community
in general. I organise and run events in my part of the world and get
sick of me trying to do things for the good of the community only to
have constant complaints from people regarding this matter or that.
For example I have players turn up for drafts with there own boosters
which they have purchased from elsewhere at a cheaper rate and they
wonder why I am not too accommodating. I let them play with them
because player numbers are not huge but am not happy about it. It
costs serious money to hire venues and the money TOs make from running
the events is getting less and less even for Premiere events. I think
we receive little credit for this. Without us there would be no
Sanctioned events. I just think players should stop constantly
slagging TOs off about prices (a general comment) and realise that
things are not a licence to print money.