Right, here are some issues with this game I'd like clearing up:

1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does 
the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the 
player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering to 
the Great Priest before the game ends?

2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the player 
visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are subject 
to the usual more than ten card penalties?  What happens if they do build but 
still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in the 
same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have too 
many cards in the turn after?

Thanks in advance.

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"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
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"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
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:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
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:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik

Yippee-kai, Mik Svellov!

<Snip>

Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
 
> Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> the hand limit, which always must be observed.

I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to 
say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804

My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to 
the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


-- 
:: Last game completed Doom RPG (Mobile) March 17th 2007
:: Join the ugv* LastFM group: http://tinyurl.com/ewdkb
:: Use Amazon? http://tinyurl.com/4kdn to help a preschool charity
:: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned for Sega." - Brodie (Mallrats)

"Steve J":
> Thanks for your reply, one thing though, where did you see this?
>
> > Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with
> > the hand limit, which always must be observed.
>
> I asked the same question on BGG as well and two people there replied to
> say the hand limit is only checked after visiting the market:
>
> http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/156804
>
> My own personal preference is to do as you suggest and always adhere to
> the hand limit, but I'm just curious which is actually correct officially.


My reply comes come from one of the designers, Bruno Cathala:

"effetivement, en théorie tu devrais aussi compter ta main après un passage
à la carrière...
ceci dit, quand tu vas à la carrière, en général tu as intér^t à construire
tout ce que tu peux, pour obtenir les bonus de construction (sans lesquels
il est bien difficile de gagner)..

donc, ds la pratique, je n'ai jamais vu qq avec plus de 10 cartes en main
après construction, même si c'est théoriquement possible.

C'est pour ça qu'on a pas rajouté une ligne de règle ds c paragraphe pour ne
pas alourdir le texte."


Now, my French is a little rusty, but the gist of the reply is that "in
theorie you should also check the hand limit after Building. That said, you
would normally build all you can in irder to score as many bonus points as
possible, so in practice will you never have more than 10 cards at the end
of a Building turn. I have never seen anyone with hand of 10 cards after
Building, even though it is theoretically possible. This is why it was
decided not to clutter the rules with superfluous rules.


For my own account, the rules does say that you must pay corruption or
discard if your turn ends with more than 10 cards in your hand. The fact
that the rules is hidden inside the chapter where it matters, does not not
mean that it doesn't apply should you decide play in unmeaningful manners.

Mik

"Steve J":
> 1) When the last piece has been placed to complete the fifth section, does
> the game end instantly, after talent being awarded of course, or does the
> player still have to roll the dice meaning the possibility of a offering
to
> the Great Priest before the game ends?

No, the game ends immediately Cleopatra moves onto space number 5. Note that
she moves during step 4 of the Building phase and the dice are thrown during
step 5, so the game will be over before this can happend during the final
turn.


>
> 2) The Smuggler card, I assume it works for just one turn, and if the
player
> visits the market on the next turn instead of building then they are
subject
> to the usual more than ten card penalties?

Yes. The Smuggler card is one use only.

> What happens if they do build but
> still have more than ten cards?  Do they discard and pay the penalty in
the
> same turn as building, or does the penalty only apply if they still have
too
> many cards in the turn after?

At the end of his turn a player must reduce his hand to 10 or pay 1
Corruption for each card above 10 he wish to keep or play a Smuggler card.
Whether he goes to the Market or Builds have nothing to do with the hand
limit, which always must be observed. But a player is obviously less likely
to have too many cards if he has used some of them to build.

Mik