I was wondering  whether teachers have a tenddency to mark particular
pupul's work early  or late in the marking cycle .and wheter this has
an effect on themarks and the the generally neater work done by girls
tend to increase their marks. As I say iam no more than hypothsising
and have no evidence one way or the other .

"richard seed"  wrote in message 
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>I was wondering  whether teachers have a tenddency to mark particular
> pupul's work early  or late in the marking cycle .and wheter this has
> an effect on themarks and the the generally neater work done by girls
> tend to increase their marks. As I say iam no more than hypothsising
> and have no evidence one way or the other .

I am sure I have seen somewhere the results of a study that says teachers 
mark the work of 'pretty' or 'attractive' students higher than ugly ones.

I also moderate coursework and I remember have identical pieces of work from 
one teacher.  One was handwritten (neatly) and one typed.  Handwritten one 
got full marks and the other about half.  When questioned, the teacher 
explained that the first one came from a good student and the other from a 
weak one.  I pointed out that they were the same words (he hadn't noticed 
that) but he still insisted that the first one was worth more marks than the 
other cos it came from a good student.  Didn't seem to matter how many times 
I said 'but they are the same words', he just insisted he had marked them 
right.

"richard seed" wrote:
>I was wondering  whether teachers have a tenddency to mark particular
> pupul's work early  or late in the marking cycle .and wheter this has
> an effect on themarks and the the generally neater work done by girls
> tend to increase their marks. As I say iam no more than hypothsising
> and have no evidence one way or the other .

Based on what is known about the general lack of reliability of marking 
written work then your hypothesis is probably correct.

Even if you take out the recognition of the student factor by anonymising 
answers using candidate numbers only, and take out the handwriting factor by 
marking only word-processed answers, as is the practice in higher education, 
and have second marking and internal and external moderation in an attempt 
to improve marking reliability and validity, marking is STILL not a reliable 
process.

Perhaps you have discovered the reason why girls do better than boys at 
school! My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 
However, he is currently happily studying at university, where all 
assignments are anonymous and word-processed, and getting good grades.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
 wrote:

>My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 

Good job we're not marking punctuation.

Robert Patrick Green warbled...
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
>  wrote:
> 
> >My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 
> 
> Good job we're not marking punctuation.
> 
> 
Why? There's nothing wrong with it as long as there is one son and more 
than one daughter.
-- 
Bev.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:20:36 -0000, Bev 
wrote:

> Robert Patrick Green warbled...
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 
>> 
>> Good job we're not marking punctuation.
>> 
>> 
>Why? There's nothing wrong with it as long as there is one son and more 
>than one daughter.

Lol - and people wonder why kids cannot puctuate properly.

It is nothing to do with the number of sons or daughters. The
apostrophe is there to indicate possession, and that has already been
done with the use of the phrase "that of".

The following sentences are both correct:

	My son's handwriting is not as neat as his sisters'.
	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters.

The followng sentence is incorrect:

	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:51:10 GMT, Robert Patrick Green 
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:20:36 -0000, Bev 
>wrote:
>
>> Robert Patrick Green warbled...
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> >My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 
>>> 
>>> Good job we're not marking punctuation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>Why? There's nothing wrong with it as long as there is one son and more 
>>than one daughter.
>
>Lol - and people wonder why kids cannot puctuate properly.
>
>It is nothing to do with the number of sons or daughters. The
>apostrophe is there to indicate possession, and that has already been
>done with the use of the phrase "that of".
>
>The following sentences are both correct:
>
>	My son's handwriting is not as neat as his sisters'.
>	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters.
>
>The followng sentence is incorrect:
>
>	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'.
>


Now wait for all the people who ignore the fact that you are entirely
correct, Robert, and just concentrate on your misspelling of the word
'punctuate'.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:53:24 GMT, Ahoyhoy 
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:51:10 GMT, Robert Patrick Green 
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:20:36 -0000, Bev 
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Patrick Green warbled...
>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 
>>>> 
>>>> Good job we're not marking punctuation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>Why? There's nothing wrong with it as long as there is one son and more 
>>>than one daughter.
>>
>>Lol - and people wonder why kids cannot puctuate properly.
>>
>>It is nothing to do with the number of sons or daughters. The
>>apostrophe is there to indicate possession, and that has already been
>>done with the use of the phrase "that of".
>>
>>The following sentences are both correct:
>>
>>	My son's handwriting is not as neat as his sisters'.
>>	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters.
>>
>>The followng sentence is incorrect:
>>
>>	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'.
>>
>
>
>Now wait for all the people who ignore the fact that you are entirely
>correct, Robert, and just concentrate on your misspelling of the word
>'punctuate'.


Lol - guilty as charged.  Skitt's Law strikes again.

Robert Patrick Green wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:53:24 GMT, Ahoyhoy 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:51:10 GMT, Robert Patrick Green 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:20:36 -0000, Bev 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert Patrick Green warbled...
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'. 
>>>>> Good job we're not marking punctuation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Why? There's nothing wrong with it as long as there is one son and more 
>>>> than one daughter.
>>> Lol - and people wonder why kids cannot puctuate properly.
>>>
>>> It is nothing to do with the number of sons or daughters. The
>>> apostrophe is there to indicate possession, and that has already been
>>> done with the use of the phrase "that of".
>>>
>>> The following sentences are both correct:
>>>
>>> 	My son's handwriting is not as neat as his sisters'.
>>> 	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters.
>>>
>>> The followng sentence is incorrect:
>>>
>>> 	My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'.
>>>
>>
>> Now wait for all the people who ignore the fact that you are entirely
>> correct, Robert, and just concentrate on your misspelling of the word
>> 'punctuate'.
> 
> 
> Lol - guilty as charged.  Skitt's Law strikes again.

The 2 best things to start an argument in a group of teachers is 
punctuation & handwriting.

<dennis@fake> wrote in message 
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> Robert Patrick Green wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:53:24 GMT, Ahoyhoy 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:51:10 GMT, Robert Patrick Green 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:20:36 -0000, Bev 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert Patrick Green warbled...
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 07:10:02 -0000, "Phil Anthropist"
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'.
>>>>>> Good job we're not marking punctuation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why? There's nothing wrong with it as long as there is one son and 
>>>>> more than one daughter.
>>>> Lol - and people wonder why kids cannot puctuate properly.
>>>>
>>>> It is nothing to do with the number of sons or daughters. The
>>>> apostrophe is there to indicate possession, and that has already been
>>>> done with the use of the phrase "that of".
>>>>
>>>> The following sentences are both correct:
>>>>
>>>> My son's handwriting is not as neat as his sisters'.
>>>> My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters.
>>>>
>>>> The followng sentence is incorrect:
>>>>
>>>> My son's handwriting is not as neat as that of his sisters'.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now wait for all the people who ignore the fact that you are entirely
>>> correct, Robert, and just concentrate on your misspelling of the word
>>> 'punctuate'.
>>
>>
>> Lol - guilty as charged.  Skitt's Law strikes again.
>
> The 2 best things to start an argument in a group of teachers is 
> punctuation & handwriting.

And in Newsgroups, not snipping - :o) - and not reading their charters 
before posting.

-- 
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Robert Patrick Green warbled...
> Lol - guilty as charged.  Skitt's Law strikes again.
> 
So do you have anything of worth to note or do you just skulk around 
newsgroups looking for grammatical errors?
-- 
Bev.

Robert Patrick Green warbled...
> It is nothing to do with the number of sons or daughters. The
> apostrophe is there to indicate possession, and that has already been
> done with the use of the phrase "that of".
> 
Mea culpa.

However, this is not the end of the world.
-- 
Bev.

<dennis@fake> wrote in message 
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< snip >

>
> The 2 best things to start an argument in a group of teachers is 
> punctuation & handwriting.

No they isn't.

-- 
Martin

Martin wrote:
> <dennis@fake> wrote in message 
> news:47af1652_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> 
> < snip >
> 
>> The 2 best things to start an argument in a group of teachers is 
>> punctuation & handwriting.
> 
> No they isn't.
> 
Is this a 5 minute argument, or the full half-hour ?

In article , dennis@fake
<dennis@fake> wrote:
> Martin wrote:
> > <dennis@fake> wrote in message 
> > news:47af1652_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > 
> > < snip >
> > 
> >> The 2 best things to start an argument in a group of teachers is 
> >> punctuation & handwriting.
> > 
> > No they isn't.
> > 
> Is this a 5 minute argument, or the full half-hour ?

i love this thread...

and am one-fingered trypyinge!!!!

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