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date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:24:44 -0700,    group: uk.education.teachers        back       
Found Food: hobo bait   
After a hospital visit and a snuggle with Jeanette,
my music teacher fiancee recovering from brain tumor
removal surgery, I got off the bus coming home a bit
before midnight, at Rural and Apache here in Tempe,
the only one exiting there that late [after a long
discussion with the African-American (his term) bus
driver; he _might_ vote for Obama, but has some
reservations].

As I turned and headed home, there on top of one of the
free news vending magazine racks, as if set there on
display, was a closed styrofoam container of the
"oriental noodle lunch" size.

Being me, with hobo habits, I just naturally grabbed
it to see if there was food left over (even though I
had a Subway Day's Special sandwich in my backpack
waiting to be eaten when I reached home).

Reaching the streetlight at the corner, I slid open
the lid; there were something that I thought in the
strangely colored light was a partially eaten
hamburger, but somehow smelling of cinnamon, and,
neatly spread out face up in the front of the box, a
five dollar bill.

In a state where carry out food is taxed, no one
gets exactly five dollars as change, so it wasn't
misplaced change, it was deliberately added to the
remaining half a meal.

Being me, I just naturally set out to find a real
homeless person, but there were none to be had in
the grocery store area, the closest usual venue, so
I rounded back to home.

I ate the contents, which turned out to be not meat
at all, but toast and french toast from some
bakery/lunch shop.

Now I just have to find a homeless person to whom to
give the money never intended for me.

As long since explained, I don't take money from
strangers, and I'm ineligible for it in this case
anyway, since I haven't been homeless for 26 months
now.

I also don't give money to beggars, for reasons also
long ago explained here [begging, a widely
successful occupation in Dakar, Senegal, finds
parents mutilating their children to make those
children more profitable beggars; I don't care to
promote mutilation of children by making begging
profitable here], so I have to find a homeless
person who does not have a hand stuck out.

I usually have Jeanette available and willing to
hand on such money for me, since she is a more
charitable person, and one who has fewer qualms
about promoting begging, having supported herself
while homeless by begging, which I did not, but just
now I'm on my own, and a bit the prisoner of my
anti-begging ethics learned in far lands.

Life's strange.

xanthian.
date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 02:24:44 -0700   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
>After a hospital visit and a snuggle with Jeanette,
>my music teacher fiancee recovering from brain tumor
>removal surgery, I got off the bus coming home a bit
>before midnight, at Rural and Apache here in Tempe,
>the only one exiting there that late [after a long
>discussion with the African-American (his term) bus
>driver; he _might_ vote for Obama, but has some
>reservations].

so far, Osama seems to be a good choice, although personally
i'd rather see an Edwards/Kusinich ticket (which will never
happen).

>As I turned and headed home, there on top of one of the
>free news vending magazine racks, as if set there on
>display, was a closed styrofoam container of the
>"oriental noodle lunch" size.
>Being me, with hobo habits, I just naturally grabbed
>it to see if there was food left over (even though I
>had a Subway Day's Special sandwich in my backpack
>waiting to be eaten when I reached home).
>Reaching the streetlight at the corner, I slid open
>the lid; there were something that I thought in the
>strangely colored light was a partially eaten
>hamburger, but somehow smelling of cinnamon, and,
>neatly spread out face up in the front of the box, a
>five dollar bill.
>In a state where carry out food is taxed, no one
>gets exactly five dollars as change, so it wasn't
>misplaced change, it was deliberately added to the
>remaining half a meal.

that was extremely kind of someone. i might have done the
same thing myself, although i generally order carefully
enough that there aren't any useful leftovers.
date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:30:21 -0500   author:   Ace Lightning

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
On Jan 5, 2:24 am, Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> After a hospital visit and a snuggle with Jeanette,
> my music teacher fiancee recovering from brain tumor
> removal surgery, I got off the bus coming home a bit
> before midnight, at Rural and Apache here in Tempe,
> the only one exiting there that late [after a long
> discussion with the African-American (his term) bus
> driver; he _might_ vote for Obama, but has some
> reservations].
>
> As I turned and headed home, there on top of one of the
> free news vending magazine racks, as if set there on
> display, was a closed styrofoam container of the
> "oriental noodle lunch" size.
>
> Being me, with hobo habits, I just naturally grabbed
> it to see if there was food left over (even though I
> had a Subway Day's Special sandwich in my backpack
> waiting to be eaten when I reached home).
>
> Reaching the streetlight at the corner, I slid open
> the lid; there were something that I thought in the
> strangely colored light was a partially eaten
> hamburger, but somehow smelling of cinnamon, and,
> neatly spread out face up in the front of the box, a
> five dollar bill.
>
> In a state where carry out food is taxed, no one
> gets exactly five dollars as change, so it wasn't
> misplaced change, it was deliberately added to the
> remaining half a meal.
>
> Being me, I just naturally set out to find a real
> homeless person, but there were none to be had in
> the grocery store area, the closest usual venue, so
> I rounded back to home.
>
> I ate the contents, which turned out to be not meat
> at all, but toast and french toast from some
> bakery/lunch shop.
>
> Now I just have to find a homeless person to whom to
> give the money never intended for me.
>
> As long since explained, I don't take money from
> strangers, and I'm ineligible for it in this case
> anyway, since I haven't been homeless for 26 months
> now.
>
> I also don't give money to beggars, for reasons also
> long ago explained here [begging, a widely
> successful occupation in Dakar, Senegal, finds
> parents mutilating their children to make those
> children more profitable beggars; I don't care to
> promote mutilation of children by making begging
> profitable here], so I have to find a homeless
> person who does not have a hand stuck out.
>
> I usually have Jeanette available and willing to
> hand on such money for me, since she is a more
> charitable person, and one who has fewer qualms
> about promoting begging, having supported herself
> while homeless by begging, which I did not, but just
> now I'm on my own, and a bit the prisoner of my
> anti-begging ethics learned in far lands.
>
> Life's strange.
>
> xanthian.

Do you live in make-believe land too?
date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:09:20 -0800 (PST)   author:   Sparky (J F W)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"(David P.)"  wrote:
> Ace Lightning  wrote:

>> when i could, i used to stop to pay highway tolls
>> and tell the toll collector that i was also
>> paying for the car behind me.

> If I were the collector, I would have pocketed the
> extra, and ROTFLMAO!

That's because all your morals and ethics dissolved
away long ago in your once steady diet of ethanol,
as anyone reading your Usenet sludge has long since
understood.

HTH

xanthian.

Meanwhile, I finally found a homeless man, on my way
up to see Jeanette today, and so rid myself of the
undeserved $5. He was quite confused: "you sure you
don't need this, man?"

Okay, so I dress a bit homeless myself, and have a
big white beard that gets me called "Santa" a lot at
this season of the year. It's not like I've replaced
the clothes I wore when I _was_ homeless.
date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 19:10:53 -0800 (PST)   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:

>"(David P.)"  wrote:
>> Ace Lightning  wrote:
>
>>> when i could, i used to stop to pay highway tolls
>>> and tell the toll collector that i was also
>>> paying for the car behind me.
>
>> If I were the collector, I would have pocketed the
>> extra, and ROTFLMAO!
>
>That's because all your morals and ethics dissolved
>away long ago in your once steady diet of ethanol,
>as anyone reading your Usenet sludge has long since
>understood.

Why did you remove this from your signature file?:

Kent, the man from xanth. Kent Paul Dolan,
propagandist. 
Reputed net.scum.  Latter Day Saint,
and known rabid atheist.
Can we hurry this up?
I have places to go, and people to insult.


=========================
 "Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:10:06 GMT   author:   am (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
imbibe @ mindspring.com (David James Polewka) wrote:
 > kpd wrote:
 >> imbibe @ mindspring.com (David James Polewka) wrote:

 >>> If I were the collector, I would have pocketed
 >>> the extra, and ROTFLMAO!

 >> That's because all your morals and ethics
 >> dissolved away long ago in your once steady diet
 >> of ethanol, as anyone reading your Usenet sludge
 >> has long since understood.

 > Why did you remove this from your signature file?:

 > Kent, the man from xanth. Kent Paul Dolan,
 > propagandist. 
 > Reputed net.scum.  Latter Day Saint,
 > and known rabid atheist.
 > Can we hurry this up?
 > I have places to go, and people to insult.

As is guaranteed to be the case whenever you post,
you have your facts wrong.

Humorously, your alcohol raddled brain and general
ineptitude with Usenet tools finds you having
reformatted that to make sense to you, but in no
way reflecting what that signature said, which is
as intact in my random signature generating script
as ever despite your claim to the contrary.

http://www.well.com/user/xanthian/bin/incl

                              Xanthian.
                                  --
Kent, the man from xanth. | Can we hurry this up? | Reputed net.scum
Kent Paul Dolan.          | I have places to go,  | Latter Day Saint
       | and people to insult. | propagandist and
http://www.well.com/user/xanthian/                | known rabid atheist.

The "Latter Day Saint propagandist" part fell by
the wayside when my second, LDS, wife Julie divorced
me.

I'm still a reputed net.scum, based on all the
things the net.vandals whose plans I've disrupted
over the decades post about me, you quite definitely
included among them with your constant off topic
trolling, your shovelware copyright-violating bulk
quotes of stuff you never bother to read for
comprehension anyway (and which a simple URL would
convey more thriftily), and your habitual blindingly
stupid non sequiturs, and I'm still widely known to
be a rabid atheist.

I still have places to go, and you are one of the
people whom I simply _have_ to insult, you being the
annoying and clueless pan-situational buffoon you
always are.

HTH

xanthian.

Besides, that siggie no longer fits my now standard
posting width, or my newer habit of using my simpler
signature to split my postings into main and
commentary fractions. Most things change, you fail
to realize, though your stupidity does seem to be a
constant of the universe.
date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:55:47 -0700   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan wrote:
>Okay, so I dress a bit homeless myself, and have a
>big white beard that gets me called "Santa" a lot at
>this season of the year. It's not like I've replaced
>the clothes I wore when I _was_ homeless.

next time you encounter a bit of surplus cash, you
might consider heading for the Sally Ann for some
less-worn-out duds. and i daresay Jeanette would
appreciate a chance to buy some *new* clothes, as
soon as she's able.
date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 05:26:46 -0500   author:   Ace Lightning

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
>
> Besides, that siggie no longer fits my now standard
> posting width,

You are expert in 4 dozen programming languages,
yet you can't reformat a signature file?!?
.
.
--
date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:45:52 -0800 (PST)   author:   (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"(David P.)"  wrote:
> Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:

>> Besides, that siggie no longer fits my now
>> standard posting width...

> You are expert in 4 dozen programming languages,

No, I'm experienced in and have earned money
programming in a bit over 12 dozen programming
languages. I'm not expert in even one of them after
this long a fallow time, though I can still muddle
out code in a few dozen just to amuse myself.

> yet you can't reformat a signature file?!?

    [Did I say that? Why no, I didn't. You made that
    up, just another Pollutka strawman, as part of
    your lifelong campaign of pathological lying and
    intellectual dishonesty on Usenet.]

Says the alcohol addict who just failed hilariously
to reformat that very signature file correctly?

Says the lying doofus who claimed that file had
somehow vanished, despite that it was right were it
has always been?

Now what makes you think I have any need to change
that signature's format, aside from just that you
are a role model for Einstein's claim that human
stupidity is infinite?

That signature block is superseded, yet has
historical value just as it is, and I have no
current use for it as an email or News signature.

You just keep dancing your Usenet-famous dance of
the brain-burned blue-butted baboon, Pollutka, and
I'll keep clapping time for you while the crowd
pelts you with moldy peanuts.

xanthian.
date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:32:22 -0800 (PST)   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> "(David P.)"  wrote:
> > Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> >
> >> that siggie no longer fits my now
> >> standard posting width...
>
> > you can't reformat a signature file?!?
>
>     [Did I say that? Why no, I didn't.

"that siggie no longer fits my now
standard posting width..."
.
.
--
date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:40:35 -0800 (PST)   author:   (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"(David P.)"  wrote:
> Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:

>>> you can't reformat a signature file?!?

>>     Did I say that? Why no, I didn't.

> "that siggie no longer fits my now
> standard posting width..."

Yep, that's what I said, but that's not what you
said I said, now is it, oh pathological liar?

I said it doesn't fit, I said nothing about not
being able to reformat it.

You made that part up from your endless stream of
ever-flowing lies.

You know, if alcoholism hadn't deprived you of all
capacity for introspection, you'd look at your
incessant failures to make any sense at all in
situations like this, realize how totally worthless
you are, how incompetent you are even to exist, and
swear off both Usenet and breathing.

Being the brain burned blue butted baboon that you
are, though, you'll be around making equally much a
fool of yourself each and every time you touch a
keyboard, until the day you plain forget to breathe.

That is a day for which the informed world long
subject to your abuse of Usenet and of the letters
to the editor column, with your interminable
productions of mindless drivel about how other
people should run their lives, when you don't have
enough mind left even to understand how to do
something useful with your own, waits, naturally,
with 'bated breath.

xanthian.

It's funny, too, how you were the one jumping up and
down in your posting chair urging your dad to die
sooner so you could grab your inheritance, while I
was the one wishing my mom a longer life than the
money would last, or than in the end she had.

Yet I'm the one who ended up with an inheritance
that makes work optional for me ever again, without,
particularly, wanting that.

So, how did you urging your dad to kick off early
work out, career-wise, for you, now that he's dead?
date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 04:45:17 -0800 (PST)   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> "(David P.)"  wrote:
> > Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> >
> >>> you can't reformat a signature file?!?
> >>     Did I say that? Why no, I didn't.
> > "that siggie no longer fits my now
> > standard posting width..."
>
> I said it doesn't fit, I said nothing about not
> being able to reformat it.

I think there's another reason why you
discontinued its use, but you're just
not telling us!
.
.
--
date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 05:20:20 -0800 (PST)   author:   (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"(David P.)"  wrote:
> Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
>> "(David P.)"  wrote:
>>> Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:

>>>>> you can't reformat a signature file?!?

>>>>     Did I say that? Why no, I didn't.

>>> "that siggie no longer fits my now
>>> standard posting width..."

>> I said it doesn't fit, I said nothing about not
>> being able to reformat it.

> I think there's another reason why you
> discontinued its use, but you're just not telling
> us!

So, oh paranoid conspiracy theorist Pollutka,

1) you confess that you were lying through your
teeth, as is your constant habit, by claiming I'd
said I couldn't reformat that signature, and

2) despite that my random signature generator file
has several hundred signatures in it, and that I add
more regularly, and often announce to the signature
original text author in public that I have done so,
such that everyone including you can see that the
signature generator script is an ever growing work
in progress, you want us to believe that there's
some secret reason, known only to you, why I'm not
reformatting and then using that _one_ signature,
used years ago, out of all those hundreds of
accumulated signatures?

It is too bad that you are the only person in the
entire universe who doesn't see how insane you are,
because your long alcohol abuse has destroyed your
ability to see yourself as others see you, which is
a form of autism.

If you did, you'd kill yourself immediately, and
then Usenet and your local newspaper editors
wouldn't have to put up with your constant output
of self-humiliating public idiocy which you seem to
think is instead wise advice for how societies
should remodel themselves to follow the "Pollutka
Plan" for pandemics and massive suffering and death.

xanthian.

So, about all those issues you avoided answering, in
the duck and evade segment of your Usenet-famous
"dance of the brain burned blue butted baboon"?

That stuff's still in the archives, you know, and
readers are googling for your "die daddy die, your
medical care is burning up my inheritance" postings
even as we type, so your past isn't going away, nor
can you make it do so, since I've quoted so much of
it back to you in my postings.
date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:32:50 -0800 (PST)   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> "(David P.)"  wrote:
> > Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> >> "(David P.)"  wrote:
> >>> Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
> >>>>> you can't reformat a signature file?!?
> >>>>     Did I say that? Why no, I didn't.
> >>> "that siggie no longer fits my now
> >>> standard posting width..."
> >> I said it doesn't fit, I said nothing about not
> >> being able to reformat it.
> > I think there's another reason why you
> > discontinued its use, but you're just not telling
> > us!
>
> So, oh paranoid conspiracy theorist Pollutka,
>
> 1) you confess that you were lying through your
> teeth, by claiming I'd said I couldn't reformat
> that signature,

If it doesn't fit, _make_ it fit!


> That stuff's still in the archives, you know, and
> readers are googling for your "die daddy die, your
> medical care is burning up my inheritance" postings
> even as we type,

Oh yeah?   Name one!
.
.
--
date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:50:55 -0800 (PST)   author:   (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
>
> That stuff's still in the archives, you know, and
> readers are googling for your "die daddy die, your
> medical care is burning up my inheritance" postings
> even as we type, so your past isn't going away, nor
> can you make it do so, since I've quoted so much of
> it back to you in my postings.

I said that if infirm people died a little earlier,
more of their assets would stay in the family,
instead of going to doctors & caregivers.
That is a general truth about, but not at all
the rationale for, an alternative public policy
called limited longevity, or death control
(which is an application of the Golden Rule
across generations; i.e. it's not fair to allow
the world to become more and more crowded).
You twisted it into an accusation aimed at me,
for the specific case of my father!
Why did you do that?
.
.
--
date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 04:28:12 -0800 (PST)   author:   (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:

>"(David P.)"  wrote:
>
>> I think there's another reason why you
>> discontinued its use, but you're just not telling
>> us!
>
>So, oh paranoid conspiracy theorist Pollutka,

Doesn't a conspiracy involve more than one person?
.
.
--
=========================
 "Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:11:55 GMT   author:   am (David P.)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"Kent Paul Dolan"  wrote in message
news:flnid4$d4f$1@news.albasani.net...
> After a hospital visit and a snuggle with Jeanette,
> my music teacher fiancee recovering from brain tumor
> removal surgery, I got off the bus coming home a bit
> before midnight, at Rural and Apache here in Tempe,
> the only one exiting there that late [after a long
> discussion with the African-American (his term) bus
> driver; he _might_ vote for Obama, but has some
> reservations].
>
> As I turned and headed home, there on top of one of the
> free news vending magazine racks, as if set there on
> display, was a closed styrofoam container of the
> "oriental noodle lunch" size.


That's a thing I never would have even touched.  It wasn't
worth a second glance.  I never would have found the five
bucks in it, but I wouldn't have been running any risk of
poisoning or disease either.  There are plenty of fast, easy
and inexpensive ways to get hot fresh food without resorting
to picking obvious discards.  As for this food you found,
you may as well have been reusing a dirty condom you
found on the street.  It's just that unsanitary and dangerous.
date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:10:14 GMT   author:   David Unruh

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"David Unruh"  wrote:

 > That's a thing I never would have even touched.
 > It wasn't worth a second glance.  I never would
 > have found the five bucks in it, but I wouldn't
 > have been running any risk of poisoning or disease
 > either.  There are plenty of fast, easy and
 > inexpensive ways to get hot fresh food without
 > resorting to picking obvious discards.  As for
 > this food you found, you may as well have been
 > reusing a dirty condom you found on the street.
 > It's just that unsanitary and dangerous.

So, have you lived in this world of delusions long?

"Inexpensive" rather doesn't cut it for those who
have _zero_ money.

On your plan, they'd starve to death. Between the
risk of disease, and the certainty of starvation,
the choice is very clear, and made worldwide every
day.

And if eating leftover food were going to kill me,
my five years of raiding dumpsters for discards
as my sole source of nourishment would long ago have
done the job.

These days, I don't _need_ to do that, but the old
habits of checking for goodies still remain.

xanthian.
date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:35:35 -0700   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"Kent Paul Dolan"  wrote in message 
news:fm9u4p$3pt$1@news.albasani.net...

> So, have you lived in this world of delusions long?


The only thing "delusional" in this dialog is your refusal
to recognize that eating food of questionable sources
off the street is no more safe or sanitary than licking a
urinal.  I would expect that sort of behavior from a
chimpanzee, but to read about a man your age not only
doing that, but practically boasting about it leads me to
question your sanity.  You have just quite clearly
demonstrated on no uncertain terms that you are
abosultely incapable of making prudent decisions in
regard to your own health and safety.  Even when
granted the option of buying food, you still eat trash.
But you expect me to believe that you're somehow
"enlightened"?


> "Inexpensive" rather doesn't cut it for those who
> have _zero_ money.
>

A guy who has "zero money" can go a charity kitchen
and get a fresh hot meal for zero money, no dumpster
diving required.  A guy with 80 cents or a dollar can
buy a bowl of ramen.
date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:19:30 -0500   author:   James Telson

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
On Jan 12, 1:35 am, Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:

> On your plan, they'd starve to death. Between the
> risk of disease, and the certainty of starvation,
> the choice is very clear, and made worldwide every
> day.

What about the possibility of being drugged to sleep,
dragged out to a shack in the desert and tortured
endlessly for fifteen years? How do you balance
near infinite torture to a slightly (by comparison)
painful death from hunger?
date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:36:07 -0800 (PST)   author:   Sparky (J F W)

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"Sparky (J F W)"  wrote:

> How do you balance near infinite torture to a
> slightly (by comparison) painful death from
> hunger?

I try to stay sane enough that my mind isn't always
over-run with images of violence raging out of my
control. Take your meds, Julian. Purloin your mind
back from its chemical captors.

xanthian.

Brought Jeanette home on a day visit yesterday. She
did well. Took her back considerably less horny.
date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:11:02 -0800 (PST)   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
"James Telson"  wrote:

> your refusal
> to recognize that eating food of questionable sources
> off the street is no more safe or sanitary

Of such cowardice is "starving in the midst of plenty"
constructed.

xanthian.
date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:14:52 -0800 (PST)   author:   Kent Paul Dolan

Re: Found Food: hobo bait   
Kent Paul Dolan  wrote:
>[...]
>...your quotes of stuff (and which a simple URL would
>convey more thriftily),...

URLs have a tendency to get dysfunctional.
Full quotes ensure archival permanence.


=========================
 "Endeavor to persevere"
=========================
date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 14:38:26 GMT   author:   am (David P.)

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