Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
just the teachers?

Thanks
Paul

no only teachers and heads.  support staff - its being thought about but 
NOWT has to happen yet. cleaners - well they can bog-off ;-)

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> Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
> just the teachers?
>
> Thanks
> Paul

"Me at home"  wrote in message 
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> no only teachers and heads.  support staff - its being thought about but 
> NOWT has to happen yet. cleaners - well they can bog-off ;-)

Support staff at my primary school have had performance management for a few 
years now.

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>
>"Me at home"  wrote in message 
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>> no only teachers and heads.  support staff - its being thought about but 
>> NOWT has to happen yet. cleaners - well they can bog-off ;-)
>
>Support staff at my primary school have had performance management for a few 
>years now.

So have I.

In article ,
   Paul  wrote:
> Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
> just the teachers?

yes i believe schools can decide this

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gertie@grumbles wrote:
> In article ,
>    Paul  wrote:
>> Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
>> just the teachers?
> 
> yes i believe schools can decide this
> 


Indeed!  I have been given the task of doing the office/admin staff's 
performance management...  That should be interesting, considering the 
fact that  am a class teacher/Science/ICT coordinator - and not really 
part of their 'world'!

Steve

hope you get time off to do it... no change in relevance etc as ofsted don't 
understand what we do and haven't been near children since before he 
national curric was created ...

lights blue paper and retires . . . rapidly ....

"Man Mountain"  wrote in message 
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> gertie@grumbles wrote:
>> In article ,
>>    Paul  wrote:
>>> Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
>>> just the teachers?
>>
>> yes i believe schools can decide this
>>
>
>
> Indeed!  I have been given the task of doing the office/admin staff's 
> performance management...  That should be interesting, considering the 
> fact that  am a class teacher/Science/ICT coordinator - and not really 
> part of their 'world'!
>
> Steve

Well we had our first meeting tonight  to show us how to fill in the
online forms.  The questions would have been fine had I been a
receptionist or part of the admin staff, but I had to point out, I
just did not have the legs for a short skirt to sit in the reception.
They didn't even put the £20 note in the intro pack as promised to get
me there, just an extra days holiday and I haven't had a holiday for
three years other than Christmas day and Boxing day (we have been
building  a new school and moving departments at holiday time). 
I really don't think they know what we do or can do, I did try to
point out that if we stuck to our job description the school would
just not function. As in most schools, we just get on with things as
we do care about the school, the school exists on the good will and
expertise of the staff, both teaching and support. The whole school
works as a team at the moment, I hope we don't spoil a good thing in
the name of progress.

Paul IT dept



On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:50:47 +0100, "Me at home"
 wrote:

>hope you get time off to do it... no change in relevance etc as ofsted don't 
>understand what we do and haven't been near children since before he 
>national curric was created ...
>
>lights blue paper and retires . . . rapidly ....
>
>"Man Mountain"  wrote in message 
>news:46FAA634.7090505@ploppy.net...
>> gertie@grumbles wrote:
>>> In article ,
>>>    Paul  wrote:
>>>> Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
>>>> just the teachers?
>>>
>>> yes i believe schools can decide this
>>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed!  I have been given the task of doing the office/admin staff's 
>> performance management...  That should be interesting, considering the 
>> fact that  am a class teacher/Science/ICT coordinator - and not really 
>> part of their 'world'!
>>
>> Steve 
>

On 26 Sep, 23:00, Paul  wrote:
> Well we had our first meeting tonight  to show us how to fill in the
> online forms.  The questions would have been fine had I been a
> receptionist or part of the admin staff, but I had to point out, I
> just did not have the legs for a short skirt to sit in the reception.
> They didn't even put the £20 note in the intro pack as promised to get
> me there, just an extra days holiday and I haven't had a holiday for
> three years other than Christmas day and Boxing day (we have been
> building  a new school and moving departments at holiday time).
> I really don't think they know what we do or can do, I did try to
> point out that if we stuck to our job description the school would
> just not function. As in most schools, we just get on with things as
> we do care about the school, the school exists on the good will and
> expertise of the staff, both teaching and support. The whole school
> works as a team at the moment, I hope we don't spoil a good thing in
> the name of progress.
>
> Paul IT dept
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:50:47 퍝, "Me at home"
>
>  wrote:
> >hope you get time off to do it... no change in relevance etc as ofsted don't
> >understand what we do and haven't been near children since before he
> >national curric was created ...
>
> >lights blue paper and retires . . . rapidly ....
>
> >"Man Mountain"  wrote in message
> >news:46FAA634.7090505@ploppy.net...
> >> gertie@grumbles wrote:
> >>> In article ,
> >>>    Paul  wrote:
> >>>> Do all staff in all schools go through performance management, not
> >>>> just the teachers?
>
> >>> yes i believe schools can decide this
>
> >> Indeed!  I have been given the task of doing the office/admin staff's
> >> performance management...  That should be interesting, considering the
> >> fact that  am a class teacher/Science/ICT coordinator - and not really
> >> part of their 'world'!
>
> >> Steve

Yes, schools should now do yearly reviews of all staff. This should
include things like PM, CPD review, job satisfaction (part of the 360
review process for Heads) and so on.

If the school has chosen not to do it they don't meet criteria for
IiP, FMSiS, ICTMark ... and means that things like second specialisms,
training school / international school status is hard to come by.

Tony

yep = of course schools just could never exist without such standards and 
criteria being met could they????

snip-

If the school has chosen not to do it they don't meet criteria for
IiP, FMSiS, ICTMark ... and means that things like second specialisms,
training school / international school status is hard to come by.

Tony

On 27 Sep, 18:08, "Me at home"  wrote:
> snip-
>
> > If the school has chosen not to do it they don't meet criteria for
> > IiP, FMSiS, ICTMark ... and means that things like second specialisms,
> > training school / international school status is hard to come by.
>
> yep = of course schools just could never exist without such standards and
> criteria being met could they????

And there was me thinking that getting additional specialisms or extra
funding might be slightly important to helping a school do things ...
silly me.

Tony

"GrumbleDook"  wrote in message 
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> On 27 Sep, 18:08, "Me at home"  wrote:
>> snip-
>>
>> > If the school has chosen not to do it they don't meet criteria for
>> > IiP, FMSiS, ICTMark ... and means that things like second specialisms,
>> > training school / international school status is hard to come by.
>>
>> yep = of course schools just could never exist without such standards and
>> criteria being met could they????
>
> And there was me thinking that getting additional specialisms or extra
> funding might be slightly important to helping a school do things ...
> silly me.

Depends if your school strives to do better or just simply strives to 
"exist". Of course, if you're orbiting the "special measures" drain then 
fixing the basics probably should take the lead over the other stuff...

On 30 Sep, 14:09, "Robert Moir" 
wrote:
> "GrumbleDook"  wrote in message
>
> news:1191077062.736837.256420@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 27 Sep, 18:08, "Me at home"  wrote:
> >> snip-
>
> >> > If the school has chosen not to do it they don't meet criteria for
> >> > IiP, FMSiS, ICTMark ... and means that things like second specialisms,
> >> > training school / international school status is hard to come by.
>
> >> yep = of course schools just could never exist without such standards and
> >> criteria being met could they????
>
> > And there was me thinking that getting additional specialisms or extra
> > funding might be slightly important to helping a school do things ...
> > silly me.
>
> Depends if your school strives to do better or just simply strives to
> "exist". Of course, if you're orbiting the "special measures" drain then
> fixing the basics probably should take the lead over the other stuff...

Too true ... but all too often the inspection teams have already
catagorised a school before they even visit ... and the badges help to
give a more positive impression because the badges are *meant* to be
important to someone.

The problem with any set of standards is that for some places they are
a waste of time and a paper exercise ... for some places they are just
what the school needs to deal with things that they have not sorted
out properly before ... and most places are in between ... some stuff
is useful but other stuff isn't. From a manglement point of view the
standards are a good thing because it reduces to the chances of things
going wrong if you do it 'by the book' ... from a consultant's point
of view these are things that help set the baseline of what schools
*should* be doing ... from a hands-on point of view I only want to be
involved with those that actually bring something into the school;
whether it is money, preferential treatment by inspectors, access to
more resources and help for students and staff, opportunities to
innovate ...

But back to PM for associate staff ... schools should do it ... there
are the above stuff I mentioned but from an employer's or union's
point of view it means that should you have to deal with competency
issues you have a leg to stand on (or not as the case may be).

Tony

"GrumbleDook"  wrote in message 
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> But back to PM for associate staff ... schools should do it ... there
> are the above stuff I mentioned but from an employer's or union's
> point of view it means that should you have to deal with competency
> issues you have a leg to stand on (or not as the case may be).

Schools should do it, but only if they do it properly, instead of the usual 
half-assed "box ticking but doesn't actually mean anything" exercise that 
education seems able to turn anything into these days.