Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Has she actually saved the page before previewing it?

"dolina.patterson"  wrote in message 
news:S8OdnZ0CPuUAjwvbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
> when she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page 
> background of her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any 
> ideas?
>

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Has she actually saved the page before previewing it?

"dolina.patterson"  wrote in message 
news:S8OdnZ0CPuUAjwvbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
> when she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page 
> background of her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any 
> ideas?
>

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Has she actually saved the page before previewing it?

"dolina.patterson"  wrote in message 
news:S8OdnZ0CPuUAjwvbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
> when she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page 
> background of her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any 
> ideas?
>

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Has she actually saved the page before previewing it?

"dolina.patterson"  wrote in message 
news:S8OdnZ0CPuUAjwvbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
> when she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page 
> background of her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any 
> ideas?
>

Message-ID:  from
dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
news:so9c935g5d7opo5qaqskkrb89fqiq75q4f@4ax.com...
> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

Message-ID:  from
gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Has she actually saved the page before previewing it?

"dolina.patterson"  wrote in message 
news:S8OdnZ0CPuUAjwvbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
> when she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page 
> background of her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any 
> ideas?
>

On 12 Jul, 12:38, "dolina.patterson" 
wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when
> she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of
> her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?

Have you considered using a web based package such as google pages?
IMHO, unless you are a "professional" web designer, then there are
many off the shelf apps that you can bang on a web site to take care
of the CMS for you. Have you come across Website Baker?

Phil

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dolina.patterson contained the following:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003. 

Well there's your problem for a start...
-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason when 
>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background of 
>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
program instead.

I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
for her.

"deKay"  wrote in message 
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> Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 
> Jul
> 2007 12:38:05 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
> uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
>  fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage
>>2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
>>when
>>she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page background 
>>of
>>her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any ideas?
>
> Unfortunately, my only idea is to ditch Frontpage and use a proper webpage
> program instead.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 15:25:30 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk "dolina.patterson"
 fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>I was hoping for some constructive comment!  I am well aware of the 
>shortcomings of Frontpage and would not use it myself but prior to this my 
>friend had been using Publisher believe it or not and this is a big step up 
>for her.

You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

deKay burbled:


>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.

I do.

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
fornis do marikano es bono tan el:

>deKay burbled:
>
>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>
>I do.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

deKay burbled:

>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Thu, 12 Jul
>2007 19:28:58 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do
>uk.education.schools-it, yawatina tan reek esk Sheel 
>fornis do marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>deKay burbled:
>>
>>>You'll probably find more useful advice in the Frontpage newsgroups than here.
>>>Its shortcomings are such that I doubt anyone here uses it any more.
>>
>>I do.
>
>I'm sorry to hear that :(

<proud>
-- 
Sheel          (Change me to me2 to email.)

I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.

In article ,
   dolina.patterson  wrote:
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in
> Frontpage 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP. 
> For some reason when she goes to preview she can't see anything
> other than the page background of her webpages.  I don't have this
> problem with mine.  Any ideas? 

Never used THAT program, (I use arachnophilia mostly) but what about
saving the page as html and opening in browser to see what happens.
If it doesn't look like what she's expecting then she has done summat
wrong!!

And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
pages!!

-- 
Gertie, who makes web pages about cleaning toilets, when she's not cleaning toilets. 

Award-winning bog cleaner, Latin scholar and beer festival organiser.
Veni, vidi, Vici iiabui et cervaca, or summat like that

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gertie@grumbles contained the following:

>And whilst she's looking at it, get her to look at it in Firefox as
>well, then she might see why it is not a good program to use for web
>pages!!


I have a client who used FP to create pages which I then have to make
dynamic by adding server side scripting.  The code is awful and very
hard to work with and I've told my client that it costs them money (in
terms of my time) for me to work with its output. Next year I have
decided that it will be cheaper for me to take their designs and mark
them up properly than work with what they produce

FP uses unnecessary code duplication, a mish mash of techniques
including CSS and deprecated mark up, proprietary tags and routines
dependent on proprietary server side scripts. The resulting 'tag soup'
is a nightmare to debug and validate.


-- 
black-dog

"Always spellcheck your wok to avoid mistakes"

Has she actually saved the page before previewing it?

"dolina.patterson"  wrote in message 
news:S8OdnZ0CPuUAjwvbnZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@bt.com...
> Yesterday I was helping my friend to redo her school website in Frontpage 
> 2003.  She has a brand new laptop running windows XP.  For some reason 
> when she goes to preview she can't see anything other than the page 
> background of her webpages.  I don't have this problem with mine.  Any 
> ideas?
>