On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:56:43 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
 wrote:

>> Very little of what you say has any meaningful context, or even makes
>> any sense.
>>
>> You are just dim. An ignoramus.
>>
>> Svenne

>So I'm dim and an ignoramus because I do not subscribe to your obvious 
>racist and bigoted crap?

There is nor has there been anything racist or bigoted in anything I
have said.

I am strongly critical of Islam, an abstract belief system, and
concerned about the impact this lunatic superstition will make on the
UK. There is nothing about race or colour there.

>If so I plead guilty - to not subscribing to your racist and bigoted crap.

The only thing you are guilty of is stupidity.

Svenne

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:56:43 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>  wrote:
>
>>> Very little of what you say has any meaningful context, or even makes
>>> any sense.
>>>
>>> You are just dim. An ignoramus.
>>>
>>> Svenne
>
>>So I'm dim and an ignoramus because I do not subscribe to your obvious
>>racist and bigoted crap?
>
> There is nor has there been anything racist or bigoted in anything I
> have said.
>
> I am strongly critical of Islam, an abstract belief system, and
> concerned about the impact this lunatic superstition will make on the
> UK. There is nothing about race or colour there.
>
>>If so I plead guilty - to not subscribing to your racist and bigoted crap.
>
> The only thing you are guilty of is stupidity.
>
> Svenne
>
>

Yes Dear! I'm so stupid as to misconstrue your perfectly reasonable hatred 
of a religion that is different from your own as somehow being bigotry and 
racist.
I plead guilty to that.
-- 
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

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> On Oct 14, 8:56 pm, "Robert Peffers"  wrote:
>> "Svenne"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:ohs3h3tkqncjega30bor4lermus190m1o5@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:56:43 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> >>> Very little of what you say has any meaningful context, or even makes
>> >>> any sense.
>>
>> >>> You are just dim. An ignoramus.
>>
>> >>> Svenne
>>
>> >>So I'm dim and an ignoramus because I do not subscribe to your obvious
>> >>racist and bigoted crap?
>>
>> > There is nor has there been anything racist or bigoted in anything I
>> > have said.
>>
>> > I am strongly critical of Islam, an abstract belief system, and
>> > concerned about the impact this lunatic superstition will make on the
>> > UK. There is nothing about race or colour there.
>>
>> >>If so I plead guilty - to not subscribing to your racist and bigoted 
>> >>crap.
>>
>> > The only thing you are guilty of is stupidity.
>>
>> > Svenne
>>
>> Yes Dear! I'm so stupid as to misconstrue your perfectly reasonable 
>> hatred
>> of a religion that is different from your own as somehow being bigotry 
>> and
>> racist.
>> I plead guilty to that.
>
>
> Are you also guilty of misconstruing a perfectly reasonable hatred of
> Nazism as bigotted and racist?
>
The operative word is, "REASONABLE", and the facts are that there are 
nothing like the percentages of immigrants  you are claiming to be in the 
UK. Most immigrants are actually more law abiding than the white British 
and, furthermore, they are more likely to be victims of crime than the 
whites. Thus you are being unreasonable in everything you claim.
If truth be told there are actually more white terrorists in the UK than 
Asian terrorists. There have been more terror attacks in the British Isles 
carried out by Irish terrorists and only a few actual attacks by Muslim 
extremists and a few attempted attacks by those extremists. You cannot blame 
the entire population of Ireland  for both the IRA and their loyalist 
opponents nor can you blame the average Muslim for the actions of a few 
Muslim extremists.
-- 
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:56:01 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
 wrote:

>> The only thing you are guilty of is stupidity.

>Yes Dear! I'm so stupid as to misconstrue your perfectly reasonable hatred 
>of a religion that is different from your own as somehow being bigotry and 
>racist.
>I plead guilty to that.

Disliking and being against a religion is racism?

You really are one very confused silly twat.

Svenne

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:56:01 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>  wrote:
>
>>> The only thing you are guilty of is stupidity.
>
>>Yes Dear! I'm so stupid as to misconstrue your perfectly reasonable hatred
>>of a religion that is different from your own as somehow being bigotry and
>>racist.
>>I plead guilty to that.
>
> Disliking and being against a religion is racism?
>
> You really are one very confused silly twat.
>
> Svenne
>

Yes! Little Dear!, It is racism when the objector makes it quite clear the 
religion he/she objects to/dislikes is followed by, mainly, people of a 
certain race and colour.
It did not take too long to extract you from your pose of occupying the high 
moral ground and use of reasonable language to your, now,  use of the 
abusive terms normal to your kind.
-- 
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

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> On Oct 14, 10:05 pm, "Robert Peffers" 
> wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:1192394671.210641.97110@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 14, 8:56 pm, "Robert Peffers"  wrote:
>> >> "Svenne"  wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:ohs3h3tkqncjega30bor4lermus190m1o5@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:56:43 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>> >> >  wrote:
>>
snip
>> > Are you also guilty of misconstruing a perfectly reasonable hatred of
>> > Nazism as bigotted and racist?
>>
>> The operative word is, "REASONABLE", and the facts are that there are
>> nothing like the percentages of immigrants  you are claiming to be in the
>> UK. Most immigrants are actually more law abiding than the white British
>
>
> Where do you get that from?  If that is true there must be some
> amongst them who are EXTREMELY criminally inclined.
>
Exactly!
Anyone, of any race, creed or colour who is a terrorist IS Extremely 
criminally inclined.
The point is that the terrorists are the ones criminally inclined and not 
any whole race, creed or of a particular colour.
>
>> and, furthermore, they are more likely to be victims of crime than the
>> whites.
>
>
> I've already explained that and if you are too thick to understand
> there is no point in discussing anything with you.
No you did not and, in any case you used bogus figures.
>
>
snip.
>
> You still don't understand.
Oh! Yes I do.
> It is the tendency, not the absolute
> numbers.
Except YOU are applying that tendency to all of a certin group and that is 
what is wrong.
>  Besides, criminality was not how this thread started.
So what?
> Besides, just because the Irish for example are not all criminals is
> absolutely no reason whatsoever why we should have them in England.
Exactly!
Thus you are attempting to class ALL the Irish together and exclude them 
from England.
The Irish have been in the entire British Isles since before there even was 
an England.
Many of the British trace their roots back to the old Celts from Ireland.
Far more, as recent DNA has shown, than the Anglo Saxons, Romans, and 
Normans.

>

You do realise that your above posts show that I was right all along and you 
are just one more racist, bigoted, Little Englander.
Like, we don't want the Irish in England.
-- 
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:07:02 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
 wrote:


>Yes! Little Dear!, It is racism when the objector makes it quite clear the 
>religion he/she objects to/dislikes is followed by, mainly, people of a 
>certain race and colour.

Islam is a pile of repressive, misogynist and illiberal crap wether
the people who believe it are brown, white, red, blue, green or
purple.

Get it through your silly head this is about a religion, a belief
system, not about 'races' or colours. 

It really is getting quite pointless trying to talk sense to a dozy
twat like you.

Svenne

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:07:02 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>  wrote:
>
>
>>Yes! Little Dear!, It is racism when the objector makes it quite clear the
>>religion he/she objects to/dislikes is followed by, mainly, people of a
>>certain race and colour.
>
> Islam is a pile of repressive, misogynist and illiberal crap wether
> the people who believe it are brown, white, red, blue, green or
> purple.
So what? Have I ever passed an opinion about it?
Well, except for what I also apply to all religions.
They are the tools by which the few control the many. All of them.
What does it matter if their God is different from your God?
Gods are, all of them, convenient conceps dreamt up by people in order to 
control other people.
No one can prove that Gods, any of them,  exist, or have ever existed.
They are too, all of them, evil. Why else would an omnipotent God need to 
put us on the Earth and tell us we had free will?
If he/she is omnipotent then he/she knows exactly what choice we will make. 
He/she thus knows we are either worthy or not worthy before he/she makes us. 
So just why bother?
What does he/she need us for anyway? He/she can do anything, make anything 
have anything. He she doesn't even need copmpany as he/she has the Angels.
There really is no such thing as a God so what does it matter which God you 
worship? In any case the Muslims tell us that there God is the same one as 
yours.
>
> Get it through your silly head this is about a religion, a belief
> system, not about 'races' or colours.
So, you just hate some one else's religion?
Oh! That'll make things a lot better then?
You don't mind their colour but you hate their religion.Oh! Great! Since the 
first human first set up the first graven image that was different from the 
next guy's graven image they have been killing each other because of it.
>
> It really is getting quite pointless trying to talk sense to a dozy
> twat like you.
>
> Svenne
That takes the biscuit. Coming from an idiot that believes in an imaginary 
concept.
Do you think I'm in grave danger of being struck down by a bolt from the 
blue from a vengeful God?
Perhaps I better get my tinfoil hat on.
-- 
Auld Bob Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:45:39 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
 wrote:

>"Svenne"  wrote in message 
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>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:07:02 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yes! Little Dear!, It is racism when the objector makes it quite clear the
>>>religion he/she objects to/dislikes is followed by, mainly, people of a
>>>certain race and colour.
>>
>> Islam is a pile of repressive, misogynist and illiberal crap wether
>> the people who believe it are brown, white, red, blue, green or
>> purple.
>So what? Have I ever passed an opinion about it?
>Well, except for what I also apply to all religions.
>They are the tools by which the few control the many. All of them.
>What does it matter if their God is different from your God?
>Gods are, all of them, convenient conceps dreamt up by people in order to 
>control other people.
>No one can prove that Gods, any of them,  exist, or have ever existed.
>They are too, all of them, evil. Why else would an omnipotent God need to 
>put us on the Earth and tell us we had free will?
>If he/she is omnipotent then he/she knows exactly what choice we will make. 
>He/she thus knows we are either worthy or not worthy before he/she makes us. 
>So just why bother?
>What does he/she need us for anyway? He/she can do anything, make anything 
>have anything. He she doesn't even need copmpany as he/she has the Angels.
>There really is no such thing as a God so what does it matter which God you 
>worship? In any case the Muslims tell us that there God is the same one as 
>yours.

Where did you get it into your dumb head that I have a God?

>> Get it through your silly head this is about a religion, a belief
>> system, not about 'races' or colours.
>So, you just hate some one else's religion?
>Oh! That'll make things a lot better then?
>You don't mind their colour but you hate their religion.Oh! Great! Since the 
>first human first set up the first graven image that was different from the 
>next guy's graven image they have been killing each other because of it.

You imagine that religions are beyond criticism, even very hard
criticism and condemnation, do you?

What about Scientology?

>> It really is getting quite pointless trying to talk sense to a dozy
>> twat like you.

>That takes the biscuit. Coming from an idiot that believes in an imaginary 
>concept.
>Do you think I'm in grave danger of being struck down by a bolt from the 
>blue from a vengeful God?
>Perhaps I better get my tinfoil hat on.

Really? which God do you imagine I worship?

Ganesha, perhaps. Quite a colourful God we have there, what with all
those arms and Elephants head. Or maybe Kali, there's an evil God and
more than appropriate for me.

Go on, tell me, which God do you imagine I worship?

Svenne

"Svenne"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:45:39 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>  wrote:
>
>>"Svenne"  wrote in message
>>news:s2e7h3ptnsb1rtfd0giblml6g1hh2c3ro8@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:07:02 +0100, "Robert Peffers"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yes! Little Dear!, It is racism when the objector makes it quite clear 
>>>>the
>>>>religion he/she objects to/dislikes is followed by, mainly, people of a
>>>>certain race and colour.
>>>
>>> Islam is a pile of repressive, misogynist and illiberal crap wether
>>> the people who believe it are brown, white, red, blue, green or
>>> purple.
>>So what? Have I ever passed an opinion about it?
>>Well, except for what I also apply to all religions.
>>They are the tools by which the few control the many. All of them.
>>What does it matter if their God is different from your God?
>>Gods are, all of them, convenient conceps dreamt up by people in order to
>>control other people.
>>No one can prove that Gods, any of them,  exist, or have ever existed.
>>They are too, all of them, evil. Why else would an omnipotent God need to
>>put us on the Earth and tell us we had free will?
>>If he/she is omnipotent then he/she knows exactly what choice we will 
>>make.
>>He/she thus knows we are either worthy or not worthy before he/she makes 
>>us.
>>So just why bother?
>>What does he/she need us for anyway? He/she can do anything, make anything
>>have anything. He she doesn't even need copmpany as he/she has the Angels.
>>There really is no such thing as a God so what does it matter which God 
>>you
>>worship? In any case the Muslims tell us that there God is the same one as
>>yours.
>
> Where did you get it into your dumb head that I have a God?
From the simple fact that, unlike me, you did not condemn religion, per se, 
but only rejected one specific religion.
You either reject them all or you favour one and regard the others as bunk.
>
>>> Get it through your silly head this is about a religion, a belief
>>> system, not about 'races' or colours.
>>So, you just hate some one else's religion?
>>Oh! That'll make things a lot better then?
>>You don't mind their colour but you hate their religion.Oh! Great! Since 
>>the
>>first human first set up the first graven image that was different from 
>>the
>>next guy's graven image they have been killing each other because of it.
>
> You imagine that religions are beyond criticism, even very hard
> criticism and condemnation, do you?
>
> What about Scientology?
What about it?
>
>>> It really is getting quite pointless trying to talk sense to a dozy
>>> twat like you.
>
>>That takes the biscuit. Coming from an idiot that believes in an imaginary
>>concept.
>>Do you think I'm in grave danger of being struck down by a bolt from the
>>blue from a vengeful God?
>>Perhaps I better get my tinfoil hat on.
>
> Really? which God do you imagine I worship?
Does it matter? The point is you are rejecting a whole race of people 
because they believe in something you do not.
I worship no God but do not wish to exclude, or campaign against, those who 
do.
>
> Ganesha, perhaps. Quite a colourful God we have there, what with all
> those arms and Elephants head. Or maybe Kali, there's an evil God and
> more than appropriate for me.
>
> Go on, tell me, which God do you imagine I worship?
>
> Svenne

Does it matter?
The point is that you are here, on a public forum, campaigning against those 
with a particular religious belief and saying they have no right to be in 
the UK.
I do not like your beliefs but I'm not suggesting you should be excluded 
from the UK because of them. Even if the UK would be a better place without 
you.