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date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:52:00 GMT,    group: uk.education.maths        back       
What is a circle?   
It may sound like a silly question, but is a circle (in UK schools) a
disk or an arc?
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date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:52:00 GMT   author:   Frederick Williams Frederick Williams@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid

Re: What is a circle?   
In message <46E7FD07.95673C93@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>, Frederick 
Williams <"Frederick Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid> writes
>It may sound like a silly question, but is a circle (in UK schools) a
>disk or an arc?

A circle is the locus of points from which the distance to the centre is 
a given value, the radius.

An arc is any continuous portion of a circle.

The interior of the circle is called a disk.

All above information easily available from wikipedia.

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Brendan
date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:47:40 +0100   author:   Brendan Murphy

Re: What is a circle?   
Brendan Murphy wrote:
> In message <46E7FD07.95673C93@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>, Frederick 
> Williams <"Frederick Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid> writes
> 
>> It may sound like a silly question, but is a circle (in UK schools) a
>> disk or an arc?
> 
> 
> A circle is the locus of points from which the distance to the centre is 
> a given value, the radius.
> 
> An arc is any continuous portion of a circle.
> 
> The interior of the circle is called a disk.
> 
> All above information easily available from wikipedia.
> 

Unless, of course, you prefer to define it as a closed planar curve with 
constant curvature.
date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:34:08 -0400   author:   Frank F. Matthews

Re: What is a circle?   
Brendan Murphy wrote:
> 
> In message <46E7FD07.95673C93@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>, Frederick
> Williams <"Frederick Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid> writes
> >It may sound like a silly question, but is a circle (in UK schools) a
> >disk or an arc?
> 
> A circle is the locus of points from which the distance to the centre is
> a given value, the radius.

So no teacher in a UK school would talk about the "area of a circle"?

> An arc is any continuous portion of a circle.

Er, no.  Though it is the case that a connected subset of a circle is an
arc.

> The interior of the circle is called a disk.

As is the interior plus the interior's boundary.

> All above information easily available from wikipedia.

I'm more interested in what UK teachers mean when they talk about
circles, hence the words "in UK schools" in my question.

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date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:32:10 GMT   author:   Frederick Williams Frederick Williams@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid

Re: What is a circle?   
In article <46E7FD07.95673C93@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>,
 Frederick Williams <"Frederick 
 Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

> It may sound like a silly question, but is a circle (in UK schools) a
> disk or an arc?


      I suspect that U.K. school teachers, like most of us, are still 
prone to perpetuate the ancient Greek ambivalence about this.  Euclid 
(probably following earlier writers) is not careful about it.  In Book I 
of the "Elements", Definition 15 says "A circle is a plane figure 
contained by one line such that ....", meaning a circle is a disk in the 
modern sense.  But then in the proof of Proposition 1 he refers to "the 
point C, in which the circles cut one another," meaning that the circles 
are now curves in the modern sense.

      Even now, I readily talk of "the area of a circle".  Doesn't 
everybody?

            Ken Pledger.
date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:44:49 +1200   author:   Ken Pledger

Re: What is a circle?   
Ken Pledger wrote:
> 
> In article <46E7FD07.95673C93@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid>,
>  Frederick Williams <"Frederick
>  Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > It may sound like a silly question, but is a circle (in UK schools) a
> > disk or an arc?
> 
>       I suspect that U.K. school teachers, like most of us, are still
> prone to perpetuate the ancient Greek ambivalence about this.  Euclid
> (probably following earlier writers) is not careful about it.  In Book I
> of the "Elements", Definition 15 says "A circle is a plane figure
> contained by one line such that ....", meaning a circle is a disk in the
> modern sense.  But then in the proof of Proposition 1 he refers to "the
> point C, in which the circles cut one another," meaning that the circles
> are now curves in the modern sense.
> 
>       Even now, I readily talk of "the area of a circle".  Doesn't
> everybody?

Yes, probably!

Can you cast any light on "circumference"?

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date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:55:06 GMT   author:   Frederick Williams Frederick Williams@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid

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