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date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:48:31 +0100,    group: uk.comp.sys.mac        back       
Internet / Router logging   
Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or 
downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent 
change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm 
wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made, 
preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.
date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:48:31 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 6/7/08 07:01, Chris Ridd wrote:
> On 2008-07-05 23:48:31 +0100, David Kennedy 
> <davidkennedy@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> said:
> 
>> Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
>> Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or 
>> downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent 
>> change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm 
>> wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made, 
>> preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.
> 
> This depends entirely on the router. Some support logging "stuff" to a 
> local log, or a remote syslog. (Syslog is a Unix thing, so Macs support 
> it too.) But logging "connections" is probably not going to be what you 
> need; something like bytes received per hour or something might finger 
> the user better.
> 
It's a DG834g and, I can't see anything in it's logs to help me out - 
although I could be looking in the wrong place.

> It might be useful to monitor the three computers too, so you can see 
> which one's consuming the bandwidth.

Well yes that might be good. I was kinda hoping for something that would 
do that via the router though...
date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:07:48 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 2008-07-06 09:07:48 +0100, David Kennedy 
<davidkennedy@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> said:

> On 6/7/08 07:01, Chris Ridd wrote:
>> On 2008-07-05 23:48:31 +0100, David Kennedy 
>> <davidkennedy@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> said:
>> 
>>> Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
>>> Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or 
>>> downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent 
>>> change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm 
>>> wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made, 
>>> preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.
>> 
>> This depends entirely on the router. Some support logging "stuff" to a 
>> local log, or a remote syslog. (Syslog is a Unix thing, so Macs support 
>> it too.) But logging "connections" is probably not going to be what you 
>> need; something like bytes received per hour or something might finger 
>> the user better.
>> 
> It's a DG834g and, I can't see anything in it's logs to help me out - 
> although I could be looking in the wrong place.

I googled and found the manual - it looks like it'll only tell you 
exceptional things (port scans, packets dropped) and not what you want. 
You *can* make it use syslog though.

>> It might be useful to monitor the three computers too, so you can see 
>> which one's consuming the bandwidth.
> 
> Well yes that might be good. I was kinda hoping for something that 
> would do that via the router though...

Oh, and there might be SNMP on the router:

<http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/archive/index.php/t-34194.html>

If you can enable it, it *might* give you per-Mac stats. Mostly SNMP 
works at the interface level (eg all traffic on the wireless interface 
is aggregated) so you still might not be able to get what you want.

Really, look into what you can monitor on each Mac.

Cheers,

Chris
date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:27:45 +0100   author:   Chris Ridd

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 6/7/08 09:27, Chris Ridd wrote:
> 
> If you can enable it, it *might* give you per-Mac stats. Mostly SNMP 
> works at the interface level (eg all traffic on the wireless interface 
> is aggregated) so you still might not be able to get what you want.
> 

Well I've enabled it so I'll have to see what that produces but the 
problem with monitoring the three machines is they are rarely here - 
except for my own - when I am...

> Really, look into what you can monitor on each Mac.

It may come to checking the individual machines but it's not an easy one.

Thanks Chris.
date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:20:56 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 6/7/08 11:20, David Kennedy wrote:
> On 6/7/08 09:27, Chris Ridd wrote:
>>
>> If you can enable it, it *might* give you per-Mac stats. Mostly SNMP 
>> works at the interface level (eg all traffic on the wireless interface 
>> is aggregated) so you still might not be able to get what you want.
>>
> 
> Well I've enabled it so I'll have to see what that produces but the 
> problem with monitoring the three machines is they are rarely here - 
> except for my own - when I am...
> 
>> Really, look into what you can monitor on each Mac.
> 
> It may come to checking the individual machines but it's not an easy one.
> 
> Thanks Chris.

Although I'm going to ave a look at these two to see if they can help

<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11677>

<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/3094>
date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:25:01 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 5 Jul, 23:48, David Kennedy
<davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
> Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
> Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or
> downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent
> change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm
> wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made,
> preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.

Does your router support SNMP? If so, Intermapper is free for up to 5
devices (to be monitored). UI is a little strange, but it can monitor
various parameters (up to you - I even have it monitoring the ambient
air temp at the co-lo). From www.dartware.com.
date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:39:44 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Sak Wathanasin

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 7/7/08 08:39, Sak Wathanasin wrote:
> On 5 Jul, 23:48, David Kennedy
> <davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
>> Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
>> Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or
>> downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent
>> change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm
>> wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made,
>> preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.
> 
> Does your router support SNMP? If so, Intermapper is free for up to 5
> devices (to be monitored). UI is a little strange, but it can monitor
> various parameters (up to you - I even have it monitoring the ambient
> air temp at the co-lo). From www.dartware.com.

It supposedly does so I'll have a look at that; thanks Sak.

Hmm, they seem to offer a 14 day trial but no mention that I could see 
of less than 5 devices.
date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:15:35 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 7 Jul, 15:15, David Kennedy
<davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/7/08 08:39, Sak Wathanasin wrote:
>
> > On 5 Jul, 23:48, David Kennedy
> > <davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
> >> Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
> >> Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or
> >> downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent
> >> change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm
> >> wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made,
> >> preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.
>
> > Does your router support SNMP? If so, Intermapper is free for up to 5
> > devices (to be monitored). UI is a little strange, but it can monitor
> > various parameters (up to you - I even have it monitoring the ambient
> > air temp at the co-lo). Fromwww.dartware.com.
>
> It supposedly does so I'll have a look at that; thanks Sak.
>
> Hmm, they seem to offer a 14 day trial but no mention that I could see
> of less than 5 devices.

Clearly I haven't been keeping up. But 14 days ought to be long enough
to figure out what's going on.
date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:27:49 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Sak Wathanasin

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 7/7/08 15:27, Sak Wathanasin wrote:
> On 7 Jul, 15:15, David Kennedy
> <davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
>> On 7/7/08 08:39, Sak Wathanasin wrote:
>>
>>> On 5 Jul, 23:48, David Kennedy
>>> <davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Is there a way to record the connections that my wireless router makes?
>>>> Over the last couple of months the total amount of bandwidth used or
>>>> downloaded seems to have increased dramatically without any apparent
>>>> change of use by the three people here who connect to it. So, what I'm
>>>> wondering is this, can I check what connections are being made,
>>>> preferably as a log file so that I can see what's going on.
>>> Does your router support SNMP? If so, Intermapper is free for up to 5
>>> devices (to be monitored). UI is a little strange, but it can monitor
>>> various parameters (up to you - I even have it monitoring the ambient
>>> air temp at the co-lo). Fromwww.dartware.com.
>> It supposedly does so I'll have a look at that; thanks Sak.
>>
>> Hmm, they seem to offer a 14 day trial but no mention that I could see
>> of less than 5 devices.
> 
> Clearly I haven't been keeping up. But 14 days ought to be long enough
> to figure out what's going on.

Should be yes, I've downloaded the package and I'll check the SNMP 
situation this evening and see if I can figure it out.
date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:31:30 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 7 Jul, 15:31, David Kennedy
<davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:

> > Clearly I haven't been keeping up. But 14 days ought to be long enough
> > to figure out what's going on.
>
> Should be yes, I've downloaded the package and I'll check the SNMP
> situation this evening and see if I can figure it out

Apaprently you can email "support@dartware.com" and ask for the "five-
for-free" licence key.
date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:52:26 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Sak Wathanasin

Re: Internet / Router logging   
On 8/7/08 08:52, Sak Wathanasin wrote:
> On 7 Jul, 15:31, David Kennedy
> <davidkenn...@nospamformethanksverymuchyoubastards.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> Clearly I haven't been keeping up. But 14 days ought to be long enough
>>> to figure out what's going on.
>> Should be yes, I've downloaded the package and I'll check the SNMP
>> situation this evening and see if I can figure it out
> 
> Apaprently you can email "support@dartware.com" and ask for the "five-
> for-free" licence key.
> 

Ah-ha.

Well, I'm just installing now so I'll give it a try with the Free Trial 
setting and see how things get on. Handy to know that they'll supply a 
license key though.
date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:59:40 +0100   author:   David Kennedy lid

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