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date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.comp.misc        back       
July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London   
Events
July 16th - Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London

On July 16th 2008 there will be a protest rally at The Barbican Centre
(The Barbican Theatre) in London.  The purpose of the event is to
protest against plans by BT Group PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone
Warehouse to deploy intrusive technology across their broadband
networks for the purpose of profiling the behaviour of their customers
which is then sold to Phorm Inc. (formerly 121Media) and used for
their Open Internet Exchange (OIX) service.

You can read updates regarding the event on the following web page:

https://nodpi.org/category/events/
How it works?

Phorm Inc have signed exclusive contracts with Virgin Media, BT Group
PLC and Car Phone Warehouse (TalkTalk) to install Layer 7 network
switches within the core broadband networks in the UK.  Without
getting too technical the system (branded as WebWise) intercepts every
single web based communication you initiate in your browser unless
they are encrypted - which most are not.

It then inserts software cookies on to your computer for the purpose
of gathering behavioural statistics based on the web pages you view;
it also makes a copy of every web page you view as it is being sent to
your PC and builds a list of key words based on the contents of the
web page.

This type of behavioural profiling is very rich data and can be used
to determine many things about your life and who you are such as:

   1. Topics you are interested in
   2. Your Political Opinions
   3. Your Health
   4. Your Financial Status
   5. Your Sexual Preferences
   6. Where you live
   7. When you are or are not at home
   8. Your Investments
   9. Who you communicate with
  10. What you type on web forums or social network sites

This type of information is very useful for advertising companies as
it allows them to target you with commercial advertising when you
visit web pages.  However this type of information is also protected
by many laws within the UK and EU because it is classed as personal
information which most people believe should be private.  For example,
do you really want advertising companies to know what investments you
have or the contents of your emails?

You can read more about the issues surrounding this technology by
reading the other pages on this web site and following some of the
links in the right hand margin.
Event Details

Date : 16th July 2008

Time : 10:00am - 5:00pm

Place: Barbican Centre, Silk Street, London. EC2Y 8DS

Directions

Directions to the Barbican

https://nodpi.org/events/

We will be gathering outside the main entrance for the majority of the
day.  The best route to the main entrance is from the barbican tube,
but go right to the end of Beech street and turn right as per the map.
Purpose

The purpose of the protest is twofold:

   1. To raise public awareness on the issues surrounding behavioural
advertising and threats it places on privacy.
   2. To present the City of London Police with a case file based on
covert trials carried out by BT and Phorm (then 121Media) in
2006/2007.

The Covert Trials

In 2006 and 2007 Bt and Phorm (then 121Media) carried out two covert
trials of this technology (called PageSense in 2006, ProxySense in
2007 and WebWise in the present) which means they did not seek the
consent of their customers.  These trials constituted criminal and
civil offenses under various laws.  You can read more information
about this on the following web page:

https://nodpi.org/2008/06/04/bt-covert-trials-in-2006-the-facts-about...

And for the legally minded, you can read my legal analysis of the
covert trials here (PDF):

https://nodpi.org/documents/phorm_paper.pdf
date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Phormwatcher

Re: July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London   
"Phormwatcher"  wrote in message 
news:4cd365dc-ad10-4b3e-9cec-71afa173240a@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Events
> July 16th - Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London
>
> On July 16th 2008 there will be a protest rally at The Barbican Centre
> (The Barbican Theatre) in London.  The purpose of the event is to
> protest against plans by BT Group PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone
> Warehouse to deploy intrusive technology across their broadband
> networks for the purpose of profiling the behaviour of their customers
> which is then sold to Phorm Inc. (formerly 121Media) and used for
> their Open Internet Exchange (OIX) service.
>
> You can read updates regarding the event on the following web page:
>
> https://nodpi.org/category/events/
> How it works?
>
> Phorm Inc have signed exclusive contracts with Virgin Media, BT Group
> PLC and Car Phone Warehouse (TalkTalk) to install Layer 7 network
> switches within the core broadband networks in the UK.  Without
> getting too technical the system (branded as WebWise) intercepts every
> single web based communication you initiate in your browser unless
> they are encrypted - which most are not.
>
> It then inserts software cookies on to your computer for the purpose
> of gathering behavioural statistics based on the web pages you view;
> it also makes a copy of every web page you view as it is being sent to
> your PC and builds a list of key words based on the contents of the
> web page.
>
> This type of behavioural profiling is very rich data and can be used
> to determine many things about your life and who you are such as:
>
>   1. Topics you are interested in
>   2. Your Political Opinions
>   3. Your Health
>   4. Your Financial Status
>   5. Your Sexual Preferences
>   6. Where you live
>   7. When you are or are not at home
>   8. Your Investments
>   9. Who you communicate with
>  10. What you type on web forums or social network sites
>
> This type of information is very useful for advertising companies as
> it allows them to target you with commercial advertising when you
> visit web pages.  However this type of information is also protected
> by many laws within the UK and EU because it is classed as personal
> information which most people believe should be private.  For example,
> do you really want advertising companies to know what investments you
> have or the contents of your emails?
>
> You can read more about the issues surrounding this technology by
> reading the other pages on this web site and following some of the
> links in the right hand margin.
> Event Details
>
> Date : 16th July 2008
>
> Time : 10:00am - 5:00pm
>
> Place: Barbican Centre, Silk Street, London. EC2Y 8DS
>
> Directions
>
> Directions to the Barbican
>
> https://nodpi.org/events/
>
> We will be gathering outside the main entrance for the majority of the
> day.  The best route to the main entrance is from the barbican tube,
> but go right to the end of Beech street and turn right as per the map.
> Purpose
>
> The purpose of the protest is twofold:
>
>   1. To raise public awareness on the issues surrounding behavioural
> advertising and threats it places on privacy.
>   2. To present the City of London Police with a case file based on
> covert trials carried out by BT and Phorm (then 121Media) in
> 2006/2007.
>
> The Covert Trials
>
> In 2006 and 2007 Bt and Phorm (then 121Media) carried out two covert
> trials of this technology (called PageSense in 2006, ProxySense in
> 2007 and WebWise in the present) which means they did not seek the
> consent of their customers.  These trials constituted criminal and
> civil offenses under various laws.  You can read more information
> about this on the following web page:
>
> https://nodpi.org/2008/06/04/bt-covert-trials-in-2006-the-facts-about...
>
> And for the legally minded, you can read my legal analysis of the
> covert trials here (PDF):
>
> https://nodpi.org/documents/phorm_paper.pdf


Just use TOR.  Easy to do and it would annoy the major companies if they 
couldn't
track customers.  What are people afraid of anyway, all ISPs log the sites 
people
visit and save emails.  I find it's only fraudsters, criminals and 
paedohphiles that
object to people seeing which sites they visit.
Why would people need to hide what they did if it wasn't illegal.
date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:40:02 +0100   author:   Paul P

Re: July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London   
<uk.comp.misc>
<Paul P>
<Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:40:02 +0100>
<g5atq9$h0j$1@news.albasani.net>

> I find it's only fraudsters, criminals and 
> paedohphiles that
> object to people seeing which sites they visit.
> Why would people need to hide what they did if it wasn't illegal.
> 

Yeah thats probably true .

But on saying that , Would you object to the police installing cctv in 
every room in your home to monitor what you do or dont do .

For using your own guidelines - surley you couldnt object if you dont do 
anything illegal and dont have anything to hide .


-- 
www.sexconsentform.co.uk
date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:55:38 +0100   author:   SCF

Re: July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London   
"Paul P"  wrote in message 
news:g5atq9$h0j$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Phormwatcher"  wrote in message 
> news:4cd365dc-ad10-4b3e-9cec-71afa173240a@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> Events
>> July 16th - Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London
>>
>> On July 16th 2008 there will be a protest rally at The Barbican Centre
>> (The Barbican Theatre) in London.  The purpose of the event is to
>> protest against plans by BT Group PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone
>> Warehouse to deploy intrusive technology across their broadband
>> networks for the purpose of profiling the behaviour of their customers
>> which is then sold to Phorm Inc. (formerly 121Media) and used for
>> their Open Internet Exchange (OIX) service.
>>
>> You can read updates regarding the event on the following web page:
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/category/events/
>> How it works?
>>
>> Phorm Inc have signed exclusive contracts with Virgin Media, BT Group
>> PLC and Car Phone Warehouse (TalkTalk) to install Layer 7 network
>> switches within the core broadband networks in the UK.  Without
>> getting too technical the system (branded as WebWise) intercepts every
>> single web based communication you initiate in your browser unless
>> they are encrypted - which most are not.
>>
>> It then inserts software cookies on to your computer for the purpose
>> of gathering behavioural statistics based on the web pages you view;
>> it also makes a copy of every web page you view as it is being sent to
>> your PC and builds a list of key words based on the contents of the
>> web page.
>>
>> This type of behavioural profiling is very rich data and can be used
>> to determine many things about your life and who you are such as:
>>
>>   1. Topics you are interested in
>>   2. Your Political Opinions
>>   3. Your Health
>>   4. Your Financial Status
>>   5. Your Sexual Preferences
>>   6. Where you live
>>   7. When you are or are not at home
>>   8. Your Investments
>>   9. Who you communicate with
>>  10. What you type on web forums or social network sites
>>
>> This type of information is very useful for advertising companies as
>> it allows them to target you with commercial advertising when you
>> visit web pages.  However this type of information is also protected
>> by many laws within the UK and EU because it is classed as personal
>> information which most people believe should be private.  For example,
>> do you really want advertising companies to know what investments you
>> have or the contents of your emails?
>>
>> You can read more about the issues surrounding this technology by
>> reading the other pages on this web site and following some of the
>> links in the right hand margin.
>> Event Details
>>
>> Date : 16th July 2008
>>
>> Time : 10:00am - 5:00pm
>>
>> Place: Barbican Centre, Silk Street, London. EC2Y 8DS
>>
>> Directions
>>
>> Directions to the Barbican
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/events/
>>
>> We will be gathering outside the main entrance for the majority of the
>> day.  The best route to the main entrance is from the barbican tube,
>> but go right to the end of Beech street and turn right as per the map.
>> Purpose
>>
>> The purpose of the protest is twofold:
>>
>>   1. To raise public awareness on the issues surrounding behavioural
>> advertising and threats it places on privacy.
>>   2. To present the City of London Police with a case file based on
>> covert trials carried out by BT and Phorm (then 121Media) in
>> 2006/2007.
>>
>> The Covert Trials
>>
>> In 2006 and 2007 Bt and Phorm (then 121Media) carried out two covert
>> trials of this technology (called PageSense in 2006, ProxySense in
>> 2007 and WebWise in the present) which means they did not seek the
>> consent of their customers.  These trials constituted criminal and
>> civil offenses under various laws.  You can read more information
>> about this on the following web page:
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/2008/06/04/bt-covert-trials-in-2006-the-facts-about...
>>
>> And for the legally minded, you can read my legal analysis of the
>> covert trials here (PDF):
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/documents/phorm_paper.pdf
>
>
> Just use TOR.  Easy to do and it would annoy the major companies if they 
> couldn't
> track customers.  What are people afraid of anyway, all ISPs log the sites 
> people
> visit and save emails.  I find it's only fraudsters, criminals and 
> paedohphiles that
> object to people seeing which sites they visit.
> Why would people need to hide what they did if it wasn't illegal.
>
I use my banks online banking service and I'm not impressed with the idea of 
the pages being intercepted by another system.
Trevor Smith
date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:35:19 +0100   author:   Trevor Smith

Re: July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London   
"Paul P"  wrote in message 
news:g5atq9$h0j$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Phormwatcher"  wrote in message 
> news:4cd365dc-ad10-4b3e-9cec-71afa173240a@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>> Events
>> July 16th - Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London
>>
>> On July 16th 2008 there will be a protest rally at The Barbican Centre
>> (The Barbican Theatre) in London.  The purpose of the event is to
>> protest against plans by BT Group PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone
>> Warehouse to deploy intrusive technology across their broadband
>> networks for the purpose of profiling the behaviour of their customers
>> which is then sold to Phorm Inc. (formerly 121Media) and used for
>> their Open Internet Exchange (OIX) service.
>>
>> You can read updates regarding the event on the following web page:
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/category/events/
>> How it works?
>>
>> Phorm Inc have signed exclusive contracts with Virgin Media, BT Group
>> PLC and Car Phone Warehouse (TalkTalk) to install Layer 7 network
>> switches within the core broadband networks in the UK.  Without
>> getting too technical the system (branded as WebWise) intercepts every
>> single web based communication you initiate in your browser unless
>> they are encrypted - which most are not.
>>
>> It then inserts software cookies on to your computer for the purpose
>> of gathering behavioural statistics based on the web pages you view;
>> it also makes a copy of every web page you view as it is being sent to
>> your PC and builds a list of key words based on the contents of the
>> web page.
>>
>> This type of behavioural profiling is very rich data and can be used
>> to determine many things about your life and who you are such as:
>>
>>   1. Topics you are interested in
>>   2. Your Political Opinions
>>   3. Your Health
>>   4. Your Financial Status
>>   5. Your Sexual Preferences
>>   6. Where you live
>>   7. When you are or are not at home
>>   8. Your Investments
>>   9. Who you communicate with
>>  10. What you type on web forums or social network sites
>>
>> This type of information is very useful for advertising companies as
>> it allows them to target you with commercial advertising when you
>> visit web pages.  However this type of information is also protected
>> by many laws within the UK and EU because it is classed as personal
>> information which most people believe should be private.  For example,
>> do you really want advertising companies to know what investments you
>> have or the contents of your emails?
>>
>> You can read more about the issues surrounding this technology by
>> reading the other pages on this web site and following some of the
>> links in the right hand margin.
>> Event Details
>>
>> Date : 16th July 2008
>>
>> Time : 10:00am - 5:00pm
>>
>> Place: Barbican Centre, Silk Street, London. EC2Y 8DS
>>
>> Directions
>>
>> Directions to the Barbican
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/events/
>>
>> We will be gathering outside the main entrance for the majority of the
>> day.  The best route to the main entrance is from the barbican tube,
>> but go right to the end of Beech street and turn right as per the map.
>> Purpose
>>
>> The purpose of the protest is twofold:
>>
>>   1. To raise public awareness on the issues surrounding behavioural
>> advertising and threats it places on privacy.
>>   2. To present the City of London Police with a case file based on
>> covert trials carried out by BT and Phorm (then 121Media) in
>> 2006/2007.
>>
>> The Covert Trials
>>
>> In 2006 and 2007 Bt and Phorm (then 121Media) carried out two covert
>> trials of this technology (called PageSense in 2006, ProxySense in
>> 2007 and WebWise in the present) which means they did not seek the
>> consent of their customers.  These trials constituted criminal and
>> civil offenses under various laws.  You can read more information
>> about this on the following web page:
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/2008/06/04/bt-covert-trials-in-2006-the-facts-about...
>>
>> And for the legally minded, you can read my legal analysis of the
>> covert trials here (PDF):
>>
>> https://nodpi.org/documents/phorm_paper.pdf
>
>
> Just use TOR.  Easy to do and it would annoy the major companies if they 
> couldn't
> track customers.  What are people afraid of anyway, all ISPs log the sites 
> people
> visit and save emails.  I find it's only fraudsters, criminals and 
> paedohphiles that
> object to people seeing which sites they visit.
> Why would people need to hide what they did if it wasn't illegal.
>
I see you gave the issue your deepest consideration.
date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:36:06 +0100   author:   Fundamentally yours

Re: July 16th - Anti-Phorm Protest at the BT AGM, Barbican Centre, London   
Paul,

Do you put electrical tape over the oil warning light to make it go
away?

Why should ordinary good willed people be forced to resort to using
measures such as TOR when previously they did not need to?

As for what are people afraid of:

Would you mind if I followed you around each day recording everything
you do? I will make a note of everything you read, hear, write, speak
and at the end of the day I promise to cross out the bits which are
'personal' and discard it... With the rest of the information I will
make a profile of you and bombard you with ads tailored to your needs.

Please consider the implications of systems like Phorm before making
glib statements.It is not a pesky ad / spam system which can be
eradicated with simple measures. It is intrusive, it is illegal. It
has to be stopped now.



> Just use TOR.  Easy to do and it would annoy the major companies if they
> couldn't
> track customers.  What are people afraid of anyway, all ISPs log the sites
> people
> visit and save emails.  I find it's only fraudsters, criminals and
> paedohphiles that
> object to people seeing which sites they visit.
> Why would people need to hide what they did if it wasn't illegal.
date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:49:34 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Jerry

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