Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
Express', but basically it doesn't.

This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge it.

Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my e-
mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.

On 8 Feb, 19:49, "alexander.keys1" 
wrote:
> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
> have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
> send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
> load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
> a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
> Express', but basically it doesn't.
>
> This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
> that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge it.
>
> Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my e-
> mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
> changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
> unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.

In message 
, 
alexander.keys1  writes
>Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
>have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
>send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
>load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
>a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
>Express', but basically it doesn't.
>
>This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
>that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge it.
>
>Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my e-
>mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
>changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
>unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.
>

mail2web enables you to read your emails from anywhere (well, not 20.000 
leagues under the sea, obviously, but ...)


-- 
geoff

In message 
, 
alexander.keys1  writes
>On 8 Feb, 19:49, "alexander.keys1" 
>wrote:
>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,

what, yet another one ?


-- 
geoff

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:02:45 GMT, geoff  wrote:

>In message 
>, 
>alexander.keys1  writes
>>Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
>>have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
>>send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
>>load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
>>a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
>>Express', but basically it doesn't.
>>
>>This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
>>that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge it.
>>
>>Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my e-
>>mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
>>changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
>>unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.
>>
>
>mail2web enables you to read your emails from anywhere (well, not 20.000 
>leagues under the sea, obviously, but ...)

You could do worse than Google Mail  ( GMail) and it works very well
with Outlook Express if that is what you want as well

On 8 Feb, 20:02, geoff  wrote:
> In message
> ,
> alexander.keys1  writes
>
Enquiries.
>
> mail2web enables you to read your emails from anywhere (well, not 20.000
> leagues under the sea, obviously, but ...)
>
> --
> geoff

Just tried it, I put my e-mail and password in, and not much happened
(it tried to load another page but just hung).

"alexander.keys1"  wrote in message 
news:a940abfd-5c94-433c-a1a1-e4bd2c1a70e6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,

I hear good reports of www.gmx.com

Ian

On Feb 8, 8:22 pm, nobodyh...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:02:45 GMT, geoff  wrote:
> >In message
> >,
> >alexander.keys1  writes

> You could do worse than Google Mail  ( GMail) and it works very well
> with Outlook Express if that is what you want as well

OK, that seems to work via the Google website, OE doesn't work with
Virgin/NTL.

"alexander.keys1"  wrote in message
news:a940abfd-5c94-433c-a1a1-e4bd2c1a70e6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
> have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
> send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
> load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
> a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
> Express', but basically it doesn't.


What did you do, to set up the new email account in
OE ?

Are you sure you're using the correct addresses for your
incoming and outgoing mail ? The POP3 and SMTP addresses on
the servers page - reached by clicking on the servers tab.
After choosing tools\accounts\mail
At a guess they may be pop3.ntlworld for incoming mail
and smtp.ntlworld for outgoing.

If you don't already know these they should be available
on the Virgin Help pages if they have any.  They should step
you through setting up an email account in OE on their help pages
in any case.

I only ask because normally you choose your own email address -
the bit before the "@" - rather than being given one
by your ISP. I'm not sure what happens if the name's already
taken, maybe the ISP emails you.


michael adams





>
> This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
> that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge it.
>
> Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my e-
> mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
> changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
> unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.
>

In message 
, 
alexander.keys1  writes
>On 8 Feb, 20:02, geoff  wrote:
>> In message
>> ,
>> alexander.keys1  writes
>>
>Enquiries.
>>
>> mail2web enables you to read your emails from anywhere (well, not 20.000
>> leagues under the sea, obviously, but ...)
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>Just tried it, I put my e-mail and password in, and not much happened
>(it tried to load another page but just hung).

you need to click "advanced" and enter your mailserver

Mailserver
email
password
protocol

-- 
geoff

michael adams wrote:

[...]

> Are you sure you're using the correct addresses for your
> incoming and outgoing mail ? The POP3 and SMTP addresses on
> the servers page - reached by clicking on the servers tab.
> After choosing tools\accounts\mail
> At a guess they may be pop3.ntlworld for incoming mail
> and smtp.ntlworld for outgoing.

For reference:

pop.ntlworld.com & smtp.ntlworld.com

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply.

In message
  alexander.keys1  writes
> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 

There's no such thing.

i.e. where you can
>> have an e-mail address which you access via a website,

Install SquirrelMail on your linux webserver and do it yourself? its 
what I do....

geoff wrote:
> In message 
> , 
> alexander.keys1  writes
>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
> 
> mail2web enables you to read your emails from anywhere (well, not 20.000 
> leagues under the sea, obviously, but ...)


www.spamcop.net do perfectly good webmail and excellent spam filtering. 
It isn't free, but generally speaking one get what one pays for.

alexander.keys1 wrote:
> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
> have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
> send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
> load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
> a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
> Express', but basically it doesn't.

Why ever not?  I've used my ntlworld address (now via VM) on Outlook for 
  years... configuration of OE is I'm sure just the same, and I find it 
very hard to believe OE won't work perfectly well with it

David

Mark McIntyre wrote:
>  alexander.keys1  writes

>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 

> Install SquirrelMail on your linux webserver and do it yourself? its 
> what I do....

Possibly not the most helpful suggestion for someone who's stumped by 
adjusting the text size in a browser. But congratulations on having a 
Web server if that's what you were fishing for.

Pete

On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:22:41 +0000,it is alleged that
nobodyhome@gmail.com spake thusly:

[snip]

>You could do worse than Google Mail  ( GMail) and it works very well
>with Outlook Express if that is what you want as well

Gmail seconded, their spam filters are excellent too, and the POP
access is easy and generally works well.

-- 
 _    
( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against html e-mail 
 X          and usenet posts
/ \

The message 
from Chip  contains these words:

> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:22:41 +0000,it is alleged that
> nobodyhome@gmail.com spake thusly:

> [snip]

> >You could do worse than Google Mail  ( GMail) and it works very well
> >with Outlook Express if that is what you want as well

> Gmail seconded, their spam filters are excellent too, and the POP
> access is easy and generally works well.



I agree GOOGLE MAIL is far superior to HOTMAIL and I have never received
any SPAM through it.

Very flexible filter system where you can selectively forward mail to
another address.  There is several GB of free storage.


MB

In article <wN5rj.18$yq3.17@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>,
Mark McIntyre   wrote:
>In message
>  alexander.keys1  writes
>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 
>
>There's no such thing.

Isn't there? How do you define reasonable?

There are several very good independant ISPs who provide very reliable
email and domain registration services - but they all come at a cost and
if you or the OP aren't prepared to meet that cost, then all I can say
is that you get what you pay for.

But how can you measure reliability? Server uptime?

Here's one of my servers:

 09:02:42 up 842 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01

But does this mean it's been avalable all this time? Well, no. In that
time there have been upgrades of the apache software, squirrelmail, the
routers that the server sits behind, which have rendered it unavalable
for a few mnutes at a time - all planned with punters notified in advance
though - then there's the network that feeds the data centre the servers
are in... This has suffered outages, again mostly planned (but there's
not much you can do when  a UPS catches fire) and if you were curently
in the mid-east, and suffering from the current spate of broken cables,
where would you say the reliability lies?

For the OP; If you're prepared to pay a bit more, then you can have a good
service from a smaller independant UK company (if that's your thing),
who will register your domain name and host your email for you. Have a
look at www.gradwell.com or www.hostroute.co.uk and use google.

And if you're still stuck, send me an email, but although it's something
my business does, it's not my main line of business, so I'm going to be
more expensive than the others.

Gordon

"alexander.keys1"  wrote in
message
news:a940abfd-5c94-433c-a1a1-e4bd2c1a70e6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com
: : Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e.
: : where you can have an e-mail address which you access
: : via a website, to read and send mail. I did use 
: : Hotmail until recently, but the website will not load
: : anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly
: : NTL), and got a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is
: : supposed to work via 'Outlook Express', but basically
: : it doesn't.  

Google mail works for me.

http://mail.google.com


Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> 
> "alexander.keys1"  wrote in
> message
> news:a940abfd-5c94-433c-a1a1-e4bd2c1a70e6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com
> : : Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e.
> : : where you can have an e-mail address which you access
> : : via a website, to read and send mail. I did use : : Hotmail until 
> recently, but the website will not load
> : : anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly
> : : NTL), and got a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is
> : : supposed to work via 'Outlook Express', but basically
> : : it doesn't. 
> Google mail works for me.
> 
> http://mail.google.com
> 
> 
> Ivor
> 


fine if you want all your mail archived forever

"frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org 
: : Ivor Jones wrote:

[snip]

: : : Google mail works for me.
: : : 
: : : http://mail.google.com

: : 
: : fine if you want all your mail archived forever

Actually I do. You can always delete it.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org : : Ivor Jones wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> : : : Google mail works for me.
> : : : : : : http://mail.google.com
> 
> : : : : fine if you want all your mail archived forever
> 
> Actually I do. You can always delete it.
> 
> Ivor
> 

you think google REALLY delete it? :)

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:24:56 -0800 (PST), "alexander.keys1"
 wrote:

>On 8 Feb, 20:02, geoff  wrote:
>> In message
>> ,
>> alexander.keys1  writes
>>
>Enquiries.
>>
>> mail2web enables you to read your emails from anywhere (well, not 20.000
>> leagues under the sea, obviously, but ...)
>>
>> --
>> geoff
>
>Just tried it, I put my e-mail and password in, and not much happened
>(it tried to load another page but just hung).


Well given that Hotmail stopped working and "not much happened" -
perhaps it is worth trying to find out what is wrong with your system
rather than hoping the problem will disappear.

In news:
a940abfd-5c94-433c-a1a1-e4bd2c1a70e6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com -
alexander.keys1  wrote :
>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
>> have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
>> send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will
>> not load anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL),
>> and got a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via
>> 'Outlook Express', but basically it doesn't.
>>
>> This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
>> that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge
>> it.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my
>> e- mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
>> changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
>> unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.



Have a read here http://dn-22.co.uk/email.html I think
it will answer most of your question.

Chris

Gordon Henderson wrote:
> In article <wN5rj.18$yq3.17@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>,
> Mark McIntyre   wrote:
>> In message
>>  alexander.keys1  writes
>>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 
>> There's no such thing.
> 
> Isn't there? How do you define reasonable?

Free, reliable, good*. Perm any two of three.

* good means stuff like spamfiltering, antiphishing, sensible handling 
of large mail, providing pop3 / imap connectivity, providing useful 
smtp, sensible handling of RBLs...

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org : : Ivor Jones wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> : : : Google mail works for me.
> : : : : : : http://mail.google.com
> 
> : : : : fine if you want all your mail archived forever
> 
> Actually I do. You can always delete it.

Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway. Do they also wipte the DR databases 
and erase the backup tapes with old copies of your mail in them?

Pete Verdon wrote:
> Mark McIntyre wrote:
>>  alexander.keys1  writes
> 
>>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 
> 
>> Install SquirrelMail on your linux webserver and do it yourself? its 
>> what I do....
> 
> Possibly not the most helpful suggestion for someone who's stumped by 
> adjusting the text size in a browser. 

I did follow up with a more helpful suggestion.

The original post had me giggling tho - the OP's problem seems to be 
more that they can't configure outhouse to work with pretty much 
anything. I considered suggesting thunderbird but realised that this 
wold be too technical.

(absurd and irrelevant crossposting removed)

Gordon Henderson wrote:
> Here's one of my servers:
> 
>  09:02:42 up 842 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
> 
> But does this mean it's been avalable all this time? Well, no. In that
> time there have been upgrades of the apache software, squirrelmail, the
> routers that the server sits behind, which have rendered it unavalable
> for a few mnutes at a time

But no kernel upgrades?

"Paul Cupis"  wrote in message 
news:fok8it$2c2d$1@energise.enta.net...

> kernel upgrades?

Presumably that would be to General?

Ian

In news: 47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org - frankie  wrote :
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> "alexander.keys1"  wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:a940abfd-5c94-433c-a1a1-e4bd2c1a70e6@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com
>>>>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e.
>>>>> where you can have an e-mail address which you access
>>>>> via a website, to read and send mail. I did use : : Hotmail until
>>> recently, but the website will not load
>>>>> anymore. I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly
>>>>> NTL), and got a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is
>>>>> supposed to work via 'Outlook Express', but basically
>>>>> it doesn't.
>>> Google mail works for me.
>>>
>>> http://mail.google.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Ivor
>>>
>>
>>
>> fine if you want all your mail archived forever

Then theres Google mail privacy issues ................

Chris

-- 
Superb hosting & domain name deals http://dn-22.co.uk
The Handyman http://www.looker.me.uk

In news: 615f4pF1sof7oU1@mid.individual.net - Ivor Jones  wrote :
>> "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org
>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>>>> Google mail works for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mail.google.com
>>
>>>>
>>>> fine if you want all your mail archived forever
>>
>> Actually I do. You can always delete it.
>>
>> Ivor

Sorry to say you can't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris
-- 
Superb hosting & domain name deals http://dn-22.co.uk
The Handyman http://www.looker.me.uk

"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
: : : news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org : : Ivor Jones
: : : wrote:
: : :
: : : [snip]
: : :
: : : : : : Google mail works for me.
: : : : : : : : : http://mail.google.com
: : :
: : : : : : : fine if you want all your mail archived
: : : : : : : forever
: : :
: : : Actually I do. You can always delete it.
: :
: : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway. Do they also wipte
: : the DR databases and erase the backup tapes with old
: : copies of your mail in them?

Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll have to wipe them sooner 
or later.

Ivor

"Joker7"  wrote in message
news:bEgrj.24004$L34.22063@newsfet08.ams
: : In news: 615f4pF1sof7oU1@mid.individual.net - Ivor
: : Jones  wrote :
: : : : "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
: : : : news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org
: : : : : : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : :
: : : : [snip]
: : : :
: : : : : : : Google mail works for me.
: : : : : : :
: : : : : : : http://mail.google.com
: : : :
: : : : : :
: : : : : : fine if you want all your mail archived forever
: : : :
: : : : Actually I do. You can always delete it.
: : : :
: : : : Ivor
: :
: : Sorry to say you can't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to say I can. If you can't, that's your problem. Besides, I don't 
want to.

Ivor

"Joker7"  wrote in message
news:5Cgrj.24003$L34.1211@newsfet08.ams

[snip]

: : Then theres Google mail privacy issues ................

Well now, there's an old saying, never write anything in an email you 
wouldn't want the world to read. There are other ways of communicating 
securely.

Ivor

In article <fok8it$2c2d$1@energise.enta.net>,
Paul Cupis   wrote:
>Gordon Henderson wrote:
>> Here's one of my servers:
>> 
>>  09:02:42 up 842 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
>> 
>> But does this mean it's been avalable all this time? Well, no. In that
>> time there have been upgrades of the apache software, squirrelmail, the
>> routers that the server sits behind, which have rendered it unavalable
>> for a few mnutes at a time
>
>But no kernel upgrades?

If it ain't broke...

Gordon

In article ,
Ivor Jones <ivor@thisaddressis.invalid> wrote:
>"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
>news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
>: : Ivor Jones wrote:
>: : : "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>: : : news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org : : Ivor Jones
>: : : wrote:
>: : :
>: : : [snip]
>: : :
>: : : : : : Google mail works for me.
>: : : : : : : : : http://mail.google.com
>: : :
>: : : : : : : fine if you want all your mail archived
>: : : : : : : forever
>: : :
>: : : Actually I do. You can always delete it.
>: :
>: : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway. Do they also wipte
>: : the DR databases and erase the backup tapes with old
>: : copies of your mail in them?
>
>Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll have to wipe them sooner 
>or later.

Don't bet on it. 1TB drives are under £150 retail now...

Gordon

On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 14:05:21 +0000 (UTC), Gordon Henderson
<gordon+usenet@drogon.net> wrote:

>In article <fok8it$2c2d$1@energise.enta.net>,
>Paul Cupis   wrote:
>>Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>> Here's one of my servers:
>>> 
>>>  09:02:42 up 842 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
>>> 
>>> But does this mean it's been avalable all this time? Well, no. In that
>>> time there have been upgrades of the apache software, squirrelmail, the
>>> routers that the server sits behind, which have rendered it unavalable
>>> for a few mnutes at a time
>>
>>But no kernel upgrades?
>
>If it ain't broke...
>

How do you know it ain't broke, securitywise ?

Andy

Gordon Henderson wrote:
> In article <fok8it$2c2d$1@energise.enta.net>,
> Paul Cupis   wrote:
>> Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>> Here's one of my servers:
>>>
>>>  09:02:42 up 842 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
>>>
>>> But does this mean it's been avalable all this time? Well, no. In that
>>> time there have been upgrades of the apache software, squirrelmail, the
>>> routers that the server sits behind, which have rendered it unavalable
>>> for a few mnutes at a time
>> But no kernel upgrades?
> 
> If it ain't broke...

Were apache, squirrelmail or the routers "broke"?

Ivor Jones wrote:

 >someone said
>(of deleting gmail data)

> : :
> : : Sorry to say you can't !!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Sorry to say I can.

Well, you can mark it as logically deleted. This isn't the same thing, 
as any DBA will tell you...

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
> news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
> : :
> : : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway. Do they also wipte
> : : the DR databases and erase the backup tapes with old
> : : copies of your mail in them?
> 
> Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll have to wipe them 
> sooner or later.

Good: so we agree one can't delete mail - now we're just haggling over 
how long the backups are retained.

(if you're familiar with the Winston Churchill quote, this will raise a 
wry laugh)

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Joker7"  wrote in message
> news:5Cgrj.24003$L34.1211@newsfet08.ams
> 
> [snip]
> 
> : : Then theres Google mail privacy issues ................
> 
> Well now, there's an old saying, never write anything in an email you 
> wouldn't want the world to read. There are other ways of communicating 
> securely.

Its more that Google have admitted to scanning all mail sent from gmail 
accounts so they can target the advertising. They've not made a 
statement on mail sent /to/ gmail accts but then....

In article <fokdlu$2l5s$1@energise.enta.net>,
Paul Cupis   wrote:
>Gordon Henderson wrote:
>> In article <fok8it$2c2d$1@energise.enta.net>,
>> Paul Cupis   wrote:
>>> Gordon Henderson wrote:
>>>> Here's one of my servers:
>>>>
>>>>  09:02:42 up 842 days, 20:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
>>>>
>>>> But does this mean it's been avalable all this time? Well, no. In that
>>>> time there have been upgrades of the apache software, squirrelmail, the
>>>> routers that the server sits behind, which have rendered it unavalable
>>>> for a few mnutes at a time
>>> But no kernel upgrades?
>> 
>> If it ain't broke...
>
>Were apache, squirrelmail or the routers "broke"?

No, yes, No.

Gordon

In news: 615o1dF1tpaohU1@mid.individual.net - Ivor Jones  wrote :
>> "Joker7"  wrote in message
>> news:bEgrj.24004$L34.22063@newsfet08.ams
>>>> In news: 615f4pF1sof7oU1@mid.individual.net - Ivor
>>>> Jones  wrote :
>>>>>> "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:47ad8567@extreme.x-privat.org
>>>>>>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Google mail works for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://mail.google.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fine if you want all your mail archived forever
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I do. You can always delete it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ivor
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to say you can't !!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Sorry to say I can. If you can't, that's your problem. Besides, I
>> don't want to.
>>
>> Ivor

I was going to go in to the whole reason the mail on google mail is not 
delated but whats the point....

Lets just say you can see it but google still has a copy.............

Chris

-- 
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"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
news:3cjrj.4343$ts1.987@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in
: : : message
: : : news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
: : : : :
: : : : : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway.

Are you suggesting they're lying..? If so, why..?

: : : : : Do they also
: : : : : wipte the DR databases and erase the backup tapes
: : : : : with old copies of your mail in them?
: : :
: : : Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll
: : : have to wipe them sooner or later.
: :
: : Good: so we agree one can't delete mail - now we're
: : just haggling over how long the backups are retained.

No, I can delete mail. But even if I couldn't, they'd have to at some 
stage.

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
> news:3cjrj.4343$ts1.987@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com
> : : Ivor Jones wrote:
> : : : "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in
> : : : message
> : : : news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
> : : : : :
> : : : : : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway.
> 
> Are you suggesting they're lying..? If so, why..?
> 
> : : : : : Do they also
> : : : : : wipte the DR databases and erase the backup tapes
> : : : : : with old copies of your mail in them?
> : : :
> : : : Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll
> : : : have to wipe them sooner or later.
> : :
> : : Good: so we agree one can't delete mail - now we're
> : : just haggling over how long the backups are retained.
> 
> No, I can delete mail. But even if I couldn't, they'd have to at some 
> stage.
> 
> Ivor
> 

next you'll be telling us they dont have archives of usenet going back 
years that you can search through

"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
news:mdjrj.4344$ts1.3045@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com 
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : "Joker7"  wrote in message
: : : news:5Cgrj.24003$L34.1211@newsfet08.ams
: : : 
: : : [snip]
: : : 
: : : : : Then theres Google mail privacy issues
: : : : : ................ 
: : : 
: : : Well now, there's an old saying, never write anything
: : : in an email you wouldn't want the world to read.
: : : There are other ways of communicating securely.
: : 
: : Its more that Google have admitted to scanning all mail
: : sent from gmail accounts so they can target the
: : advertising. They've not made a statement on mail sent
: : /to/ gmail accts but then.... 

I don't get any advertising. But then I have effective filters.

Ivor

On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:10:31 +0000, frankie <no.way@spam.invalid>
wrote:

>Ivor Jones wrote:
>> "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
>> news:3cjrj.4343$ts1.987@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com
>> : : Ivor Jones wrote:
>> : : : "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in
>> : : : message
>> : : : news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
>> : : : : :
>> : : : : : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway.
>> 
>> Are you suggesting they're lying..? If so, why..?
>> 
>> : : : : : Do they also
>> : : : : : wipte the DR databases and erase the backup tapes
>> : : : : : with old copies of your mail in them?
>> : : :
>> : : : Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll
>> : : : have to wipe them sooner or later.
>> : :
>> : : Good: so we agree one can't delete mail - now we're
>> : : just haggling over how long the backups are retained.
>> 
>> No, I can delete mail. But even if I couldn't, they'd have to at some 
>> stage.
>> 
>> Ivor
>> 
>
>next you'll be telling us they dont have archives of usenet going back 
>years that you can search through
Don't argue with wonder man he knows everything about everything .

"frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:47adec93$1@extreme.x-privat.org 

[snip]
 
: : next you'll be telling us they dont have archives of
: : usenet going back years that you can search through

I never said they don't. But I defy you to search my deleted email.

Ivor

wrote in message
news:98trq39ubc90ia20k2gkq8n8lsoe6tqg85@4ax.com 

[snip]

: : Don't argue with wonder man he knows everything about
: : everything . 

You are Ron Chew and I claim my five pounds.

Oh no that's another thread, sorry...

Ivor

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
> news:3cjrj.4343$ts1.987@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com
> : : Ivor Jones wrote:
> : : : "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in
> : : : message
> : : : news:gcgrj.2905$Gv.2259@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com
> : : : : :
> : : : : : Thats what they /tell/ you, anyway.
> 
> Are you suggesting they're lying..? If so, why..?
> 
> : : : : : Do they also
> : : : : : wipte the DR databases and erase the backup tapes
> : : : : : with old copies of your mail in them?
> : : :
> : : : Even Google don't have unlimited storage. They'll
> : : : have to wipe them sooner or later.
> : :
> : : Good: so we agree one can't delete mail - now we're
> : : just haggling over how long the backups are retained.
> 
> No, I can delete mail. 

In fact, you can mark it as logically deleted, and thereby lose 
visibliity to see the mail....

> But even if I couldn't, they'd have to at some  stage.

Yeah... when? Next year? Whenever they need to purge the database. Which 
may be some time in the future. Even premium grade diskspace is 
ludicrously cheap these days - you can get 30TB for only a few hundred 
grand. And what about the tape backup sitting in the firesafe?

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "frankie" <no.way@spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:47adec93$1@extreme.x-privat.org
> [snip]
> 
> : : next you'll be telling us they dont have archives of
> : : usenet going back years that you can search through
> 
> I never said they don't. But I defy you to search my deleted email.

Its not us you need to worry about. Its those targetted advertising 
programmes, govt agencies and database hackers.

On 8 Feb, 23:42, Mark McIntyre  wrote:
> In message
>   alexander.keys1  writes
>
> > Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
>
> There's no such thing.
>
> i.e. where you can
>
> >> have an e-mail address which you access via a website,
>
> Install SquirrelMail on your linux webserver and do it yourself? its
> what I do....

I was recommended that by server hosts, but on trying the 2nd
instruction in their FAQ which mentioned a wget command, that was
about as useful as a wtf? command as it just hung....

I asked my server hosts to install it for me since I pay them enough
each month and they just say, "No, we're not allowed".

Well, it doesn't fucking work does it? Jeez, how's a guy meant to
check his email in his lunch break at work if the stupid system there
blocks out anything with 'webmail' in the name and the server hosts'
suggestion is as useless as a useless thing?

Ivor Jones wrote:
> 
> I don't get any advertising. But then I have effective filters.

Have google stopped attaching targeted marketing to incoming mail then?

"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message 
news:YFrrj.24$yq3.12@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com...

> Yeah... when? Next year? Whenever they need to purge the database. Which 
> may be some time in the future. Even premium grade diskspace is 
> ludicrously cheap these days - you can get 30TB for only a few hundred 
> grand. And what about the tape backup sitting in the firesafe?

But who cares if they do keep it? Not me, that's for sure. As if they'd be 
interested in storing squillions of e-mails> What do you think they're 
going to do with them - sit there and read them out to each other when 
things are a bit quiet? :-)))

Ian

Ian F. wrote:

> But who cares if they do keep it? Not me, that's for sure. As if they'd be 
> interested in storing squillions of e-mails> What do you think they're 
> going to do with them - sit there and read them out to each other when 
> things are a bit quiet? :-)))

You'll care when your neighbour accidentally poisons himself with 
weedkiller, and the police subpoena your email from google, including 
the one where you wrote "I could kill that b****, he;s been putting 
weedkiller on my dahlias, one day I'll make him drink the bl*** stuff"....

Paranoid? Nah. I work in Banking, this stuff really happens. Look at 
what happened to that major bank with the red triangles logo - forced to 
provide the regulators with several years of email history for a fishing 
expedition...

"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
news:08Arj.4349$ts1.2315@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com...
> Ian F. wrote:
>
> > But who cares if they do keep it? Not me, that's for sure. As if they'd be
> > interested in storing squillions of e-mails> What do you think they're
> > going to do with them - sit there and read them out to each other when
> > things are a bit quiet? :-)))
>
> You'll care when your neighbour accidentally poisons himself with
> weedkiller, and the police subpoena your email from google, including
> the one where you wrote "I could kill that b****, he;s been putting
> weedkiller on my dahlias, one day I'll make him drink the bl*** stuff"....


Anyone who sends emails threatening to poison someone is an idiot to
start with. My only regret would be that plod and the Criminal Justice
System might well waste taxpayers money incarcerating such morons for
considerable periods of time. In fact this is one of the best arguments in
favour of summary capital punishment that I've heard in a long time.

>
> Paranoid? Nah. I work in Banking, this stuff really happens. Look at
> what happened to that major bank with the red triangles logo - forced to
> provide the regulators with several years of email history for a fishing
> expedition...


The argument isn't that people who have nothing to hide have nothing to
worry about. Only morons and people who spend their whole lives living
in caves have nothing to hide. The point is that everyone has something
to hide, but only stupid people allow themselves to be easily caught.
Given that plod will have their hands full chasing after all the others
who make it so easy. i.e people who send emails threatening to poison people.


michael adams

...

In article <wN5rj.18$yq3.17@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>, Mark McIntyre 
says...
> In message
>   alexander.keys1  writes
> > Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 
> 
> There's no such thing.
> 
Bullshit. Hotmail hasn't let me down in 10 years.


-- 
Conor

As a Brit I'd like to thank the Americans for their help in the war 
against terror because if they'd not funded the IRA for 30 years, we 
wouldn't know how to deal with terrorists.

"DVDfever Dom"  wrote in message 
news:12569471-7c04-40ba-b68a-cf7300845b9e@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 8 Feb, 23:42, Mark McIntyre  wrote:
>> In message
>>   alexander.keys1  writes
>>
>> > Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
>>
>> There's no such thing.
>>
>> i.e. where you can
>>
>> >> have an e-mail address which you access via a website,
>>
>> Install SquirrelMail on your linux webserver and do it yourself? its
>> what I do....
>
> I was recommended that by server hosts, but on trying the 2nd
> instruction in their FAQ which mentioned a wget command, that was
> about as useful as a wtf? command as it just hung....
>
> I asked my server hosts to install it for me since I pay them enough
> each month and they just say, "No, we're not allowed".
>
> Well, it doesn't fucking work does it? Jeez, how's a guy meant to
> check his email in his lunch break at work if the stupid system there
> blocks out anything with 'webmail' in the name and the server hosts'
> suggestion is as useless as a useless thing?

I sympathise.
My employer's system blocks all webmail sites, personal sites and a lot 
more.
:-(

George

In article <08Arj.4349$ts1.2315@en-nntp-03.am2.easynews.com>, Mark 
McIntyre says...
> Ian F. wrote:
> 
> > But who cares if they do keep it? Not me, that's for sure. As if they'd be 
> > interested in storing squillions of e-mails> What do you think they're 
> > going to do with them - sit there and read them out to each other when 
> > things are a bit quiet? :-)))
> 
> You'll care when your neighbour accidentally poisons himself with 
> weedkiller, and the police subpoena your email from google, including 
> the one where you wrote "I could kill that b****, he;s been putting 
> weedkiller on my dahlias, one day I'll make him drink the bl*** stuff"....
> 
> Paranoid? Nah. I work in Banking, this stuff really happens. Look at 
> what happened to that major bank with the red triangles logo - forced to 
> provide the regulators with several years of email history for a fishing 
> expedition...
> 
You do talk some fucking shite.

-- 
Conor

As a Brit I'd like to thank the Americans for their help in the war 
against terror because if they'd not funded the IRA for 30 years, we 
wouldn't know how to deal with terrorists.

In article <12569471-7c04-40ba-b68a-
cf7300845b9e@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, DVDfever Dom says...
> On 8 Feb, 23:42, Mark McIntyre  wrote:
> > In message
> >   alexander.keys1  writes
> >
> > > Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
> >
> > There's no such thing.
> >
> > i.e. where you can
> >
> > >> have an e-mail address which you access via a website,
> >
> > Install SquirrelMail on your linux webserver and do it yourself? its
> > what I do....
> 
> I was recommended that by server hosts, but on trying the 2nd
> instruction in their FAQ which mentioned a wget command, that was
> about as useful as a wtf? command as it just hung....
> 
> I asked my server hosts to install it for me since I pay them enough
> each month and they just say, "No, we're not allowed".
> 
> Well, it doesn't fucking work does it? Jeez, how's a guy meant to
> check his email in his lunch break at work if the stupid system there
> blocks out anything with 'webmail' in the name and the server hosts'
> suggestion is as useless as a useless thing?
> 
wget is a command to fetch a file over the internet. It probably hung 
due to waiting for the server hosting the file it was trying to get 
being slow to respond.

Why the fuck that moron said there's no such thing as a reliable 
webmail service, I'll never know. Hotmail, Yahoo and Google have never 
let me down and all do domain hosting.


-- 
Conor

As a Brit I'd like to thank the Americans for their help in the war 
against terror because if they'd not funded the IRA for 30 years, we 
wouldn't know how to deal with terrorists.

"Conor"  wrote in message 
news:6186s4F1tnvibU2@mid.individual.net...
> In article <wN5rj.18$yq3.17@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>, Mark McIntyre
> says...
>> In message
>>   alexander.keys1  writes
>> > Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
>>
>> There's no such thing.
>>
> Bullshit. Hotmail hasn't let me down in 10 years.

Me neither.
Nor Googlemail.
Nor Yahoo.
All of the above have very reliable spam-filtering / "bulk mail" systems 
too.

My own ISP's webmail service (Plusnet) currently uses Squirrelmail and 
Postini spam-filtering.
It still doesn't match up to the above three and I have to check it daily to 
redirect false positives.
Bit of a pain, really.

George

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:05:23 -0000, "Ian F."
 wrote:

>"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message 
>news:YFrrj.24$yq3.12@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com...
>
>> Yeah... when? Next year? Whenever they need to purge the database. Which 
>> may be some time in the future. Even premium grade diskspace is 
>> ludicrously cheap these days - you can get 30TB for only a few hundred 
>> grand. And what about the tape backup sitting in the firesafe?
>
>But who cares if they do keep it? Not me, that's for sure. As if they'd be 
>interested in storing squillions of e-mails> What do you think they're 
>going to do with them - sit there and read them out to each other when 
>things are a bit quiet? :-)))
>
>Ian 

Exactly.  I don't know what these people are sending in emails that's
so secret and sensitive that they have to worry about the possibility
of Google having a copy on a hard disk somewhere.  Google are welcome
to keep any of my old emails that they like.  If they want to waste
their time and disk space with them, that's up to them.

middlelight@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 08:05:23 -0000, "Ian F."
>  wrote:
> 
>> "Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message 
>> news:YFrrj.24$yq3.12@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com...
>>
>>> Yeah... when? Next year? Whenever they need to purge the database. Which 
>>> may be some time in the future. Even premium grade diskspace is 
>>> ludicrously cheap these days - you can get 30TB for only a few hundred 
>>> grand. And what about the tape backup sitting in the firesafe?
>> But who cares if they do keep it? Not me, that's for sure. As if they'd be 
>> interested in storing squillions of e-mails> What do you think they're 
>> going to do with them - sit there and read them out to each other when 
>> things are a bit quiet? :-)))
>>
>> Ian 
> 
> Exactly.  I don't know what these people are sending in emails that's
> so secret and sensitive that they have to worry about the possibility
> of Google having a copy on a hard disk somewhere. 

Ah, well you haven't been 'postmaster' at an ISP site have you?

One that bounced to my desktop was a pretty graphic description of one 
gay guys anticipation of his partners return from work...only he screwed 
the email address up.

Fine in private between consenting adult, but a bit much after a heavy 
lunch, to pop up on your desktop.. :-)

I prefer myself,to download and ersae my mail with POP.

If I am travelling, I'll read it using a web mail interface, but it all 
gets off the servers ultimately when I get home..

I don't want my youthful indiscretions, or indeed other peoples, 
splattering the cyberverse.




  Google are welcome
> to keep any of my old emails that they like.  If they want to waste
> their time and disk space with them, that's up to them.



Fine..your choice.

Not mine tho.

"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message
news:uHrrj.26$yq3.5@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com
: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : :
: : : I don't get any advertising. But then I have
: : : effective filters.
: :
: : Have google stopped attaching targeted marketing to
: : incoming mail then?

I've never seen any on the three gmail accounts I've had for 2 years. 
Whether that's because of my filters or that it's not there in the first 
place I have no idea.


Ivor

Conor wrote:
> In article <wN5rj.18$yq3.17@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>, Mark McIntyre 
> says...
>> In message
>>   alexander.keys1  writes
>>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 
>> There's no such thing.
>>
> Bullshit. Hotmail hasn't let me down in 10 years.

I meant reliable as in *I* can rely on mail that I recieve from hotmail 
accounts not being spam, scam, phish or other junk. And reliable as in 
not able to be hacked into by scammers searching for cheap account data.

When webmail providers like hotmail tighten up hteir procedures I'll 
call 'em reliable...

Conor wrote:
 >
> You do talk some fucking shite.

Feel free to be an offensive twat any time you like.

By the way, you have *no clue* about how email gets used by regulators 
and security services.

*plonk*

In article <RUJrj.8600$6i4.416@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>, Mark 
McIntyre says...
> Conor wrote:
> > In article <wN5rj.18$yq3.17@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>, Mark McIntyre 
> > says...
> >> In message
> >>   alexander.keys1  writes
> >>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, 
> >> There's no such thing.
> >>
> > Bullshit. Hotmail hasn't let me down in 10 years.
> 
> I meant reliable as in *I* can rely on mail that I recieve from hotmail 
> accounts not being spam, scam, phish or other junk.

No service can guarantee that.

> And reliable as in 
> not able to be hacked into by scammers searching for cheap account data.
> 
Mine has never been hacked because I'm not stupid enough to bother with 
the scam e-mails.

> When webmail providers like hotmail tighten up hteir procedures I'll 
> call 'em reliable...
> 
The procedures are fine, its some of their users who are fucking 
morons.


-- 
Conor

As a Brit I'd like to thank the Americans for their help in the war 
against terror because if they'd not funded the IRA for 30 years, we 
wouldn't know how to deal with terrorists.

In article <U%Jrj.8601$6i4.3109@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>, Mark 
McIntyre says...
> Conor wrote:
>  >
> > You do talk some fucking shite.
> 
> Feel free to be an offensive twat any time you like.
> 
> By the way, you have *no clue* about how email gets used by regulators 
> and security services.
>
More than you.


-- 
Conor

As a Brit I'd like to thank the Americans for their help in the war 
against terror because if they'd not funded the IRA for 30 years, we 
wouldn't know how to deal with terrorists.

On 10 Feb, 22:34, Conor  wrote:
> In article <RUJrj.8600$6i4....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>, Mark
> McIntyre says...
>
> > Conor wrote:
> > > In article <wN5rj.18$yq3...@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>, Mark McIntyre
> > > says...
> > >> In message
> > >>   alexander.keys1  writes
> > >>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
> > >> There's no such thing.
>
> > > Bullshit. Hotmail hasn't let me down in 10 years.
>
> > I meant reliable as in *I* can rely on mail that I recieve from hotmail
> > accounts not being spam, scam, phish or other junk.
>
> No service can guarantee that.

What I'd like to ask is that amongst all the recent cases of bugging,
if someone is monitoring all my emails, please can they strip out all
the emails telling me I've won the Spanish lottery and the millions of
"Mail failed: return to sender" from addresses I never sent an email
to? (WTF is causing the latter?)

"Mark McIntyre"  wrote in message 
news:U%Jrj.8601$6i4.3109@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...

> By the way, you have *no clue* about how email gets used by regulators 
> and security services.

Please try to understand that most of us couldn't give a monkey's how our 
e-mail is 'used'. It just doesn't matter.

Ian

On Feb 8, 7:49 pm, "alexander.keys1" 
wrote:
> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service, i.e. where you can
> have an e-mail address which you access via a website, to read and
> send mail. I did use  Hotmail until recently, but the website will not
> load anymore.

Sounds like you have a problem with your system. Hotmail is working
fine for the other multiple millions of people who use it!

> I phoned my ISP, 'Virgin Media' (formerly NTL), and got
> a 'ntlworld.com' address, which is supposed to work via 'Outlook
> Express', but basically it doesn't.

It works perfectly using any POP3 client. Sounds like you have a
problem with your system.

> This address does seem to work via the Virgin Media website, except
> that the text is too small to read, and there is no way to enlarge it.

I've just logged on for a quick nosey (don't normally use it) and the
text size looks fine. It also respects the browser text size setting
so you can make it as big as you like. If you can't change the size,
then you have a problem with your system.

> Anyway, I'd like another service similar to Hotmail, so I can use my e-
> mail from anywhere, and not be tied to any one ISP, as I may be
> changing my phone/Internet package to BT, due to NTL/Virgin being
> unable to put my number into the 'Phone Book' or Directory Enquiries.

I'd say that not being in the phone book was a benefit not a
hindrance!

Reading what you have written above and your subsequent posts, I think
you would be better off figuring out what is broken on your system
rather than changing mail providers. The fact that you cannot access
the Hotmail website, nor access the NTL/VM server via POP3 suggests
you have bigger issues.

Steve

DVDfever Dom wrote:
> On 10 Feb, 22:34, Conor  wrote:
>> In article <RUJrj.8600$6i4....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com>, Mark
>> McIntyre says...
>>
>>> Conor wrote:
>>>> In article <wN5rj.18$yq3...@en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com>, Mark McIntyre
>>>> says...
>>>>> In message
>>>>>   alexander.keys1  writes
>>>>>> Can anybody recommend a reliable Webmail service,
>>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>> Bullshit. Hotmail hasn't let me down in 10 years.
>>> I meant reliable as in *I* can rely on mail that I recieve from hotmail
>>> accounts not being spam, scam, phish or other junk.
>> No service can guarantee that.
> 
> What I'd like to ask is that amongst all the recent cases of bugging,
> if someone is monitoring all my emails, please can they strip out all
> the emails telling me I've won the Spanish lottery and the millions of
> "Mail failed: return to sender" from addresses I never sent an email
> to? (WTF is causing the latter?)

I think some old viruses send them on your behalf :-)