You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two whole 
weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.

But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.  It's 
definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.

This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an 
installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the grief 
I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to help me 
to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week to trick 
the thing into gear!)

What do you recommend?

I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet cable) 
and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs to be beside 
the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8 metres away.

I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some kind of 
power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered against attacks 
like that, all the better!

Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't have any 
other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)

I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't want 
to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!

Thanks.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:01:09 퍝
"G.Landon"  wrote:

> You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two
> whole weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
> 
> But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.
> It's definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
> 
> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come
> with an installation disc and documentation, because that'll only
> give me the grief I had trying to install the last one - until you
> guys were able to help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it
> took us about a week to trick the thing into gear!)
> 
> What do you recommend?
> 
> I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet
> cable) and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs
> to be beside the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8
> metres away.
> 
> I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some
> kind of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered
> against attacks like that, all the better!
> 
> Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't
> have any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
> 
> I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't
> want to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
> 
Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear.  Currys list the Linksys
WRT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
expensive.

> 
> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an 
> installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the grief 
> I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to help me 
> to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week to trick 
> the thing into gear!)

An installation disk isnt necessary and documentation is easy to 
download from the website for Netgear products, though once you have 
pointed your browser to the router/modem all the setup menus have good 
help on them.

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
news:20080712152440.3e2b5b82@bluemoon...
> Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear.  Currys list the Linksys
> -RT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
> expensive.

Why?
My Belkin has been fine for at least 4 if not 5 years and the one at my 
dad's is now getting on for three and has been just fine.

I wouldn't rush to avoid any of the well known brands including the 4 you 
mention.
There will be occasional faulty ones of all brands but no major widespread 
issues.
-- 
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

www.drzoidberg.co.uk

"Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
news:20080712152440.3e2b5b82@bluemoon...
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:01:09 +0100
"G.Landon"  wrote:

> You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two
> whole weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
>
> But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.
> It's definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
>
> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come
> with an installation disc and documentation, because that'll only
> give me the grief I had trying to install the last one - until you
> guys were able to help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it
> took us about a week to trick the thing into gear!)
>
> What do you recommend?
>
> I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet
> cable) and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs
> to be beside the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8
> metres away.
>
> I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some
> kind of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered
> against attacks like that, all the better!
>
> Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't
> have any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
>
> I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't
> want to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
>
Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear.  Currys list the Linksys
WRT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
expensive.

Why do you say to avoid those models?  Is it because you don't have the 
first
clue about computers and can only tell people how to get a router going if
it is the same model as the one you have?
I see many people like you claiming to be experts, but know very little. 
Some
even run companies then come asking in this group for help and sell it on.

There is nothing wrong with Netgear routers, they are one of the easiest to 
set
up.  They also feature QoS if you want to google for that.  Nothing wrong 
with
DLINK either if you don't try updating it with the wrong firmware version!
Dlink has no UK support, but why would people ever need it?  They are easy
to configure and get going.  Most routers are.  Belkin are OK too, never had 
any
problems with them.

The person who posted the message will be back again in a few months saying
his new router is knackered.  It's down to his error and/or misunderstanding 
for
the router no longer working as it should.  Unfortunately that is more 
difficult to
address.  So is your lack of knowledge.

You can tell a mile off when someone is a bit thick, they come to a 
newsgroup
asking daft questions.  Most would at least make the effort to look for 
adverts
and prices of routers.  The original message to me reads as, "I'm thick and 
can't
set up a router - what do I do?".

"G.Landon"  wrote in message 
news:qY1ek.235063$Ek2.176684@newsfe17.ams2...
> You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two whole 
> weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
>

You must be thick!  It doesn't take two weeks, it takes 2 minutes.

> But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.  It's 
> definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
>

Why do you think it is the router?  If you tell us what you have tried to 
mess
about with we can tell you how to fix it in minutes.  A denial that you have
broken it will mean you don't get help.

> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an 
> installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the 
> grief I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to 
> help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week 
> to trick the thing into gear!)
>

You are definitely thick then if it took you two weeks to get the first one 
going
and a further week to get the second one going!  What is it you have 
difficulty
in understanding apart from basic English?

> What do you recommend?
>

Read the manual, then use the CD with the router.  Or get an adult to help 
you.

> I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet cable) 
> and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs to be beside 
> the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8 metres away.
>
> I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some kind 
> of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered against 
> attacks like that, all the better!
>

Power surge?  Oh get a life, is that the new word for "I've messed with 
settings"?

> Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't have 
> any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
>
> I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't want 
> to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
>

You will for as long as you can't follow simple instructions!

> Thanks.
>
>

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:32:56 +0100
"Paul P"  wrote:

> Why do you say to avoid those models?

To wind you up, twat.

"Paul P"  wrote in message 
news:g5atcv$gb6$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> "Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
> news:20080712152440.3e2b5b82@bluemoon...
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:01:09 +0100
> "G.Landon"  wrote:
>
>> You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two
>> whole weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
>>
>> But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.
>> It's definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
>>
>> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come
>> with an installation disc and documentation, because that'll only
>> give me the grief I had trying to install the last one - until you
>> guys were able to help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it
>> took us about a week to trick the thing into gear!)
>>
>> What do you recommend?
>>
>> I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet
>> cable) and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs
>> to be beside the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8
>> metres away.
>>
>> I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some
>> kind of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered
>> against attacks like that, all the better!
>>
>> Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't
>> have any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
>>
>> I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't
>> want to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
>>
> Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear.  Currys list the Linksys
> WRT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
> expensive.

I find Netgear easy to set up (the menus are fairly intuitive). They also 
have fault-logging so if the router fails to connect to broadband, you can 
see the reason why - eg that it is bad username/password etc.

Dlink can be a bugger to set up and you seem to need to totally reboot the 
router to make any config change. I don;t think they have fault-logging, 
though I don't have recent experience of these (I think it's mainly the G604 
that I've used) so things could have changed.

Linksys are good but in my experience they are susceptible to failure - it 
is significant that although the majory of the routers that I install are 
Netgear, out of the minorty of Linksys that I have been called to, a high 
proportion have failed - either a transient failure needing a reboot or 
positioning somewhere cooler, or a permanent failure of the ADSL modem - 
this is for WAG54 routers, mainly.

Whatever router you go for, it must be able to display signal strength - 
attenuation and noise margin - without these it is very difficult to 
diagnose the cause of failure-to-connect-to-ADSL problems.

If you do go for the Netgear DG834 range (eg DG834G, GT, PN,  N) I suggest 
that you avoid the DG834N if you are using Belkin wireless adaptors: I have 
had several cases where these cards have been unable to connect to the 
router - in one case it was a total failure to establish a wireless 
connection; in another case it connected and the PC could access the 
internet but other PCs could not access the PC with the Belkin card. 
Changing temporarily to a DG834G solved the problem, as did permanently 
changing to a Netgear USB adaptor (the one that is advertised as being 100% 
compatible with the N router - I think it's WN111).

For the record, my own DG834GT router is about four years old and has only 
been rebooted about ten times - either due to power cut or else to moving it 
elsewhere to test against a customer's router. It had given me faultless 
service and provides excellent wireless coverage throughout my house.

But you may get other people saying that they prefer a different make of 
router - they may be just as biassed as I am ;-)

I grabbed a £25 buffalo from ebuyer a few months back. Great little router 
that runs 3rd party firmware (if you want it too). Some manufacturers 
(linksys for example) have started crippling there products too make then 
less desirable to hack meaning they take out lots of ram and flash memory :/

Any how my buffalo has been running fantasticly and i squeeze a lot of 
trafic through it both wired and wireless. 2 pc's, a laptop, iphone and 2 
consoles. Wireless is much more stronger and stable on this too then my old 
Linksys wrt54g.

Gordy


"G.Landon"  wrote in message 
news:qY1ek.235063$Ek2.176684@newsfe17.ams2...
> You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two whole 
> weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
>
> But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.  It's 
> definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
>
> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an 
> installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the 
> grief I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to 
> help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week 
> to trick the thing into gear!)
>
> What do you recommend?
>
> I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet cable) 
> and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs to be beside 
> the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8 metres away.
>
> I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some kind 
> of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered against 
> attacks like that, all the better!
>
> Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't have 
> any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
>
> I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't want 
> to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Mortimer wrote:
[snip]

> Linksys are good but in my experience they are susceptible to failure - it 
> is significant that although the majory of the routers that I install are 
> Netgear, out of the minorty of Linksys that I have been called to, a high 
> proportion have failed - either a transient failure needing a reboot or 
> positioning somewhere cooler, or a permanent failure of the ADSL modem - 
> this is for WAG54 routers, mainly.
> 

I have no experience of Linksys, but my son said he wouldn't buy one 
(when he worked for Cisco) as Cisco seem to look down on their "mass 
market products".

> Whatever router you go for, it must be able to display signal strength - 
> attenuation and noise margin - without these it is very difficult to 
> diagnose the cause of failure-to-connect-to-ADSL problems.
> 
> If you do go for the Netgear DG834 range (eg DG834G, GT, PN,  N) I suggest 
> that you avoid the DG834N if you are using Belkin wireless adaptors: I have 
> had several cases where these cards have been unable to connect to the 
> router - in one case it was a total failure to establish a wireless 
> connection; in another case it connected and the PC could access the 
> internet but other PCs could not access the PC with the Belkin card. 
> Changing temporarily to a DG834G solved the problem, as did permanently 
> changing to a Netgear USB adaptor (the one that is advertised as being 100% 
> compatible with the N router - I think it's WN111).
> 
> For the record, my own DG834GT router is about four years old and has only 
> been rebooted about ten times - either due to power cut or else to moving it 
> elsewhere to test against a customer's router. It had given me faultless 
> service and provides excellent wireless coverage throughout my house.
> 
> But you may get other people saying that they prefer a different make of 
> router - they may be just as biassed as I am ;-) 
> 
> 

I've used three different makes (Safecom/ebuyer, Zyxel and Netgear/sky) 
and all performed reliably.

-- 
PeeGee

"Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the 
knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able 
to be removed from a computer easily."
Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)

Thanks very much Mortimer, Rob, Zoidberg, PeeGee, Robert, & Gordy.

After several hours studying three websites where purchasers can say 
whatever they feel about computer-related products, I've decided upon a 
NetGear DG834G.

Literally hundreds of people have written that NetGear routers are 
exceptionally easy to install because the NetGear installation process has 
been well designed.  I have also found that few NetGear buyers have 
complained of any form of "router failure" (including death) within the 
first two years of use.  On the other hand, it has been interesting to see 
that there is widespread agreement that if a router gives more than two or 
three years of continual usuage it is fortunate.  Bearing that in mind, as 
well as my fairly simple requirements of a router, the price of the DG8345G 
(as low as £40 from some suppliers) is reasonable.

Anyway, thanks again for all helpful thoughts and suggestions.

Paul P wrote:
> 
> "G.Landon"  wrote in message 
> news:qY1ek.235063$Ek2.176684@newsfe17.ams2...
> > You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two whole 
> > weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
> >
> 
> You must be thick!  It doesn't take two weeks, it takes 2 minutes.
> 
> > But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.  It's 
> > definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
> >
> 
> Why do you think it is the router?  If you tell us what you have tried to 
> mess
> about with we can tell you how to fix it in minutes.  A denial that you have
> broken it will mean you don't get help.
> 
> > This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an 
> > installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the 
> > grief I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to 
> > help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week 
> > to trick the thing into gear!)
> >
> 
> You are definitely thick then if it took you two weeks to get the first one 
> going
> and a further week to get the second one going!  What is it you have 
> difficulty
> in understanding apart from basic English?
> 
> > What do you recommend?
> >
> 
> Read the manual, then use the CD with the router.  Or get an adult to help 
> you.
> 
> > I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet cable) 
> > and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs to be beside 
> > the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8 metres away.
> >
> > I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some kind 
> > of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered against 
> > attacks like that, all the better!
> >
> 
> Power surge?  Oh get a life, is that the new word for "I've messed with 
> settings"?
> 
> > Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't have 
> > any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
> >
> > I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't want 
> > to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
> >
> 
> You will for as long as you can't follow simple instructions!
> 
> > Thanks.

What a totally ugly and loathsome response to what appears to be a very
genuine posting.

Eddy.

"Eddy"  wrote in message 
news:NRrek.187905$jB5.155570@newsfe05.ams2...
> Paul P wrote:
>>
>> "G.Landon"  wrote in message
>> news:qY1ek.235063$Ek2.176684@newsfe17.ams2...
>> > You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two 
>> > whole
>> > weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
>> >
>>
>> You must be thick!  It doesn't take two weeks, it takes 2 minutes.
>>
>> > But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor. 
>> > It's
>> > definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
>> >
>>
>> Why do you think it is the router?  If you tell us what you have tried to
>> mess
>> about with we can tell you how to fix it in minutes.  A denial that you 
>> have
>> broken it will mean you don't get help.
>>
>> > This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with 
>> > an
>> > installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the
>> > grief I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able 
>> > to
>> > help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a 
>> > week
>> > to trick the thing into gear!)
>> >
>>
>> You are definitely thick then if it took you two weeks to get the first 
>> one
>> going
>> and a further week to get the second one going!  What is it you have
>> difficulty
>> in understanding apart from basic English?
>>
>> > What do you recommend?
>> >
>>
>> Read the manual, then use the CD with the router.  Or get an adult to 
>> help
>> you.
>>
>> > I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet 
>> > cable)
>> > and a laptop (with a wireless connection).  The router needs to be 
>> > beside
>> > the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8 metres away.
>> >
>> > I don't know what made the last router die.  It could have been some 
>> > kind
>> > of power surge.  So if there's a router that comes buffered against
>> > attacks like that, all the better!
>> >
>>
>> Power surge?  Oh get a life, is that the new word for "I've messed with
>> settings"?
>>
>> > Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's.  (Don't have
>> > any other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)
>> >
>> > I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting.  Really don't 
>> > want
>> > to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!
>> >
>>
>> You will for as long as you can't follow simple instructions!
>>
>> > Thanks.
>
> What a totally ugly and loathsome response to what appears to be a very
> genuine posting.

Yes I thought it was OTT as well. I hope the OP doesn't think that *all* 
people in this group are as gratuiously insulting and patronising as Paul P 
evidently is.

I install routers and sort out problems with them all day long, but I 
sometimes find that a supposedly straightforward "two minute" job can take 
considerably longer.

If the OP can say what he's tried and what leads him to thinking that it is 
definitely the router that is at fault, I'll try and help him.

First things to confirm:

- is it all PCs that are affected?
- can the PCs ping the router (come back to me if you'd like info on how to 
test this)
- are the PCs connected by Ethernet cable or wireless?
- did the router work and then suddenly fail
- did you change anything that coudl have caused the failure
- what lights are displayed on the router

"G.Landon"  wrote in message 
news:qY1ek.235063$Ek2.176684@newsfe17.ams2...
> You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two whole 
> weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.
>
> But now, unfortunately, the router has died.  It's not the adaptor.  It's 
> definitely the router.  Damned nuisance.
>
> This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an 
> installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the 
> grief I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to 
> help me to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week 
> to trick the thing into gear!)
>
> What do you recommend?

Linksys- yes good, but can spontaneously stop working for no apparent 
reason. Especially WAG54's!

DLink- no, just no. (not for routers anyhow)  Ditto Belkin.

Netgear- easy to use and set up, lots of features without being over 
complicated for a novice and reliability seems on the whole excellant. Avoid 
the N models tho.

Tim..

Mortimer wrote:
> > What a totally ugly and loathsome response to what appears to be a very
> > genuine posting.
> 
> Yes I thought it was OTT as well. I hope the OP doesn't think that *all* 
> people in this group are as gratuiously insulting and patronising as Paul P 
> evidently is.

Hi, Mortimer.  Thanks for the reassurance.  I visit occasionally just to
see what's what.  I think when I saw Paul P's unwarrantedly aggressive
response to the OP it put me in mind of the kind of attitude that drives
all these stabbings we have been having recently . . . and I believe the
way to stop the stabbings, the sudden grab for the knife-as-solution, is
to stamp out at grass roots that nasty aggressive attitude that is at
the roof of it.

Eddy.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:59:11 +0100, "G.Landon" 
wrote:

>Thanks very much Mortimer, Rob, Zoidberg, PeeGee, Robert, & Gordy.
>
>After several hours studying three websites where purchasers can say 
>whatever they feel about computer-related products, I've decided upon a 
>NetGear DG834G.
>
>Literally hundreds of people have written that NetGear routers are 
>exceptionally easy to install because the NetGear installation process has 
>been well designed.  I have also found that few NetGear buyers have 
>complained of any form of "router failure" (including death) within the 
>first two years of use.  On the other hand, it has been interesting to see 
>that there is widespread agreement that if a router gives more than two or 
>three years of continual usuage it is fortunate.  Bearing that in mind, as 
>well as my fairly simple requirements of a router, the price of the DG8345G 
>(as low as £40 from some suppliers) is reasonable

Good choice IMHO. I've had a DG834G here giving reliable service for
ages, and have set up a fair few for other people. They are basically
a set up and forget piece of kit.

One bit of advice though if you live in a rural location -  damage
caused during thunderstorms due to lightning strikes on phone poles
can damage routers. I've had many calls from people with non
functioning kit following thunderstorms. It's a good idea to unplug
from the phone line if you've storms about,  as a precautionary
measure anyway. No idea whether this also applies to towns and cities,
others will probably advise.

"Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOO!!!!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:g5aqsh$lel$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "Rob Morley"  wrote in message 
> news:20080712152440.3e2b5b82@bluemoon...
>> Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear.  Currys list the Linksys
>> -RT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
>> expensive.
>
> Why?
> My Belkin has been fine for at least 4 if not 5 years and the one at my 
> dad's is now getting on for three and has been just fine.
>
> I wouldn't rush to avoid any of the well known brands including the 4 you 
> mention.
> There will be occasional faulty ones of all brands but no major widespread 
> issues.

I would echo "avoid belkin" they have caused me nothing but grief. I have 
three friends who have had them die. You can get them replaced under 
warranty but its a pain in the bum


> -- 
> Alex
>
> "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"
>
> www.drzoidberg.co.uk

Dave Wade wrote:

>> Why?
>> My Belkin has been fine for at least 4 if not 5 years and the one at 
>> my dad's is now getting on for three and has been just fine.
>>
>> I wouldn't rush to avoid any of the well known brands including the 4 
>> you mention.
>> There will be occasional faulty ones of all brands but no major 
>> widespread issues.
> 
> I would echo "avoid belkin" they have caused me nothing but grief. I 
> have three friends who have had them die. You can get them replaced 
> under warranty but its a pain in the bum

There are widespread issues with Belkins. I had to send mine back, and 
when I was in PC World a few weeks later, there were two people in the 
queue returning Belkin routers, two on the returns counter, and a pile 
of them in behind the returns counter.

There is a known (to Belkin) issue with the firmware on most of their G 
wireless kit (not just routers). The main problems are settings not 
saving, passwords locking you out, and routing tables not operating. 
They haven't released a fix for it, and told me they were unlikely to.

deKay
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