I'm looking out for the S12 but with the nVidia 
GPU on board.  Anyone know where they're available 
yet?

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:59:17 +0000, Ruth
 wrote:

>I'm looking out for the S12 but with the nVidia 
>GPU on board.  Anyone know where they're available 
>yet?


I think you mean the Nvidia Ion version.  It has not been released
here yet.  Despite the W7 release, there a few if any announced. The
only one I have seen is the HP Mini 311, due to be released on Nov 3
according to amazon.co.uk

It may be that the manufacturers are deliberately delaying the
release, not for W7, but to clear stock of current versions that will
be dead in the water once the Ion ones are released.

no-one wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:59:17 +0000, Ruth
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking out for the S12 but with the nVidia 
>> GPU on board.  Anyone know where they're available 
>> yet?
> 
> 
> I think you mean the Nvidia Ion version.  It has not been released
> here yet.  Despite the W7 release, there a few if any announced. The
> only one I have seen is the HP Mini 311, due to be released on Nov 3
> according to amazon.co.uk
> 
> It may be that the manufacturers are deliberately delaying the
> release, not for W7, but to clear stock of current versions that will
> be dead in the water once the Ion ones are released.

Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway, so a netbook with a 720p 
resolution screen at best can playback 1080p video, so you are going to 
connect  it to your TV right? and connect an external blu-ray drive, 
sure most people will just use a standard blu-ray player or mATX PC with 
one. Oh yeah I forgot you might want to play games at 800*600 with 
medium to low details, yeah with an n270 CPU lol

Nick Le Lievre wrote:
> no-one wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:59:17 +0000, Ruth
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking out for the S12 but with the nVidia GPU on board.  Anyone 
>>> know where they're available yet?
>>
>>
>> I think you mean the Nvidia Ion version.  It has not been released
>> here yet.  Despite the W7 release, there a few if any announced. The
>> only one I have seen is the HP Mini 311, due to be released on Nov 3
>> according to amazon.co.uk
>>
>> It may be that the manufacturers are deliberately delaying the
>> release, not for W7, but to clear stock of current versions that will
>> be dead in the water once the Ion ones are released.
> 


> Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway...

Just better value for money, Nick

In article <hE_Fm.10809$U55.10658@newsfe02.iad>, Nick Le Lievre says...

> Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway, so a netbook with a 720p 
> resolution screen at best can playback 1080p video, so you are going to 
> connect  it to your TV right? and connect an external blu-ray drive, 
> sure most people will just use a standard blu-ray player or mATX PC with 
> one. Oh yeah I forgot you might want to play games at 800*600 with 
> medium to low details, yeah with an n270 CPU lol

Netbook chipsets currently suck so much they stutter playing low 
definition flash video from Youtube.

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www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

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Ruth wrote:
> 
>> Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway...
> 
> Just better value for money, Nick

Its a step in the right direction even though realistically there is 
nothing you cannot already do with the gma 950 graphics most netbooks 
have that you could realistically do with the ION except maybe play a 
few games at crappy resolution and details... as long as it does not 
bump the price up or have an effect on the battery life then there is no 
harm in it, I wouldnt regard it as a major upgrade however but worth 
waiting for I suppose so you dont get lumbered with old tech.

Conor wrote:
> In article <hE_Fm.10809$U55.10658@newsfe02.iad>, Nick Le Lievre says...
> 
>> Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway, so a netbook with a 720p 
>> resolution screen at best can playback 1080p video, so you are going to 
>> connect  it to your TV right? and connect an external blu-ray drive, 
>> sure most people will just use a standard blu-ray player or mATX PC with 
>> one. Oh yeah I forgot you might want to play games at 800*600 with 
>> medium to low details, yeah with an n270 CPU lol
> 
> Netbook chipsets currently suck so much they stutter playing low 
> definition flash video from Youtube.
> 
How do you know its the video might be the CPU, in which case get a CULV 
laptop ie ASUS UL30a 8 hours battery life, slightly bigger then a 10" 
netbook only thing it cant do which a netbook with ION can is playback 
1080p video, but who wants to do that on a 720p screen.

Or do you think a faster graphics chipset will make the differeence to 
youtube playback

Nick Le Lievre wrote:
>>
>> Netbook chipsets currently suck so much they stutter playing low 
>> definition flash video from Youtube.
>>
> How do you know its the video might be the CPU, in which case get a CULV 
> laptop ie ASUS UL30a 8 hours battery life, slightly bigger then a 10" 
> netbook only thing it cant do which a netbook with ION can is playback 
> 1080p video, but who wants to do that on a 720p screen.
> 
> Or do you think a faster graphics chipset will make the differeence to 
> youtube playback


Apparently to playback 720p HD Flash of the kind you get on youtube you 
need a special version of the flash player compatible with the ION 
chipset, whereas a decent CULV CPU ie Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.3ghz should be 
able to do it in the CPU alone.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:51:25 +0000, Nick Le Lievre
<nicklelievre@jerseymail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway, so a netbook with a 720p 
>resolution screen at best can playback 1080p video, so you are going to 
>connect  it to your TV right? and connect an external blu-ray drive, 
>sure most people will just use a standard blu-ray player or mATX PC with 
>one. Oh yeah I forgot you might want to play games at 800*600 with 
>medium to low details, yeah with an n270 CPU lol

Did you get out of your pram on the wrong side this morning?

no-one wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:51:25 +0000, Nick Le Lievre
> <nicklelievre@jerseymail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> Whats the point of the ION chipset anyway, so a netbook with a 720p 
>> resolution screen at best can playback 1080p video, so you are going to 
>> connect  it to your TV right? and connect an external blu-ray drive, 
>> sure most people will just use a standard blu-ray player or mATX PC with 
>> one. Oh yeah I forgot you might want to play games at 800*600 with 
>> medium to low details, yeah with an n270 CPU lol
> 
> Did you get out of your pram on the wrong side this morning?

No seriously with an ION you are relying on Adobe et al writing software 
to support the ION chipset, sure you might save a bit on the cost of the 
laptop compared to CULV but with a CULV everything you do is faster not 
just video, for me personally I never really noticed the video issues 
with my netbook because I dont play video very much, its not a primary 
concern would rather have all round better CPU performance. When my 
netbook stuttered on youtube I thought it was the connection but it must 
of been the CPU, the gma 950 is a fairly capable chipset.

So nvidia are betting that the ION will take off and everyone will write 
special software for it, whereas the CULV is here faster CPU, much 
better video playback even with 4500MHD, battery life as good if not 
better then a netbook.

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:59:17 +0000, Ruth
 wrote:

>I'm looking out for the S12 but with the nVidia 
>GPU on board.  Anyone know where they're available 
>yet?

They have just been released in the US, so may be here soon.  However,
the US pricetag is 599usd for the base model, meaning it may be at
least £400 here.  Heck of a markup for no more than $50 for the Ion
bit.

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:06:56 +0000, Nick Le Lievre
<nicklelievre@jerseymail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>No seriously with an ION you are relying on Adobe et al writing software 
>to support the ION chipset, sure you might save a bit on the cost of the 
>laptop compared to CULV but with a CULV everything you do is faster not 
>just video, for me personally I never really noticed the video issues 
>with my netbook because I dont play video very much, its not a primary 
>concern would rather have all round better CPU performance. When my 
>netbook stuttered on youtube I thought it was the connection but it must 
>of been the CPU, the gma 950 is a fairly capable chipset.
>
>So nvidia are betting that the ION will take off and everyone will write 
>special software for it, whereas the CULV is here faster CPU, much 
>better video playback even with 4500MHD, battery life as good if not 
>better then a netbook.

I thought Adobe had released ION enabled  HD flash players (or will do
soon).  Personally, I would like a netbook capable of playing HD so
that it will be ready for use in presentations etc.  I really dislike
lugging a laptop around and want the small size and weight of a
netbook.  Add that to the micro projectors available now and the
weight saving is terrific.   Also, the ability to download HD from a
camcorder and view it while away from home on such a lightweight
device makes sense for me.

no-one wrote:
> 
> I thought Adobe had released ION enabled  HD flash players (or will do
> soon).  Personally, I would like a netbook capable of playing HD so
> that it will be ready for use in presentations etc.  I really dislike
> lugging a laptop around and want the small size and weight of a
> netbook.  Add that to the micro projectors available now and the
> weight saving is terrific.   Also, the ability to download HD from a
> camcorder and view it while away from home on such a lightweight
> device makes sense for me.

My ultimate device would be a EEE PC 901 sized machine with a Core 2 Duo 
CULV 1.3ghz CPU, intergrated graphics would be OK because it would 
reduce energy consumption therefore longer battery life and that CPU 
would take care of most of the video tasks I could or would ever throw 
at it except games and 1080p HD which I never would anyway.

As it stands the closet to that is the Dell Inspiron 11z with the 11.6" 
screen but I didnt like the review and it only has 6 cell battery, the 
one Im going for is the Asus ul30a with 8 cell battery, its bigger 13" 
screen but you need a slightly bigger machine to fit an 8 cell battery 
too without it looking ugly.

no-one wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:59:17 +0000, Ruth
>  wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking out for the S12 but with the nVidia 
>> GPU on board.  Anyone know where they're available 
>> yet?
> 
> They have just been released in the US, so may be here soon.  However,
> the US pricetag is 599usd for the base model, meaning it may be at
> least £400 here.  Heck of a markup for no more than $50 for the Ion
> bit.  
> 

It was this review that suggested the nVidia would 
be just a little more expensive...

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?reviewid=3200436

The other option, I suppose, is the Samsung NC20

In article <hc9tso$91n$1@aioe.org>, Nick Le Lievre says...
> How do you know its the video might be the CPU,

Because the same processor in a netbook with an Ion chipset doesn't 
stutter. It was all on Channel 5 "The Gadget Show".


> Or do you think a faster graphics chipset will make the differeence to 
> youtube playback

Yes, well flash playback of any kind.


-- 
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

In article <hc9vju$brq$1@aioe.org>, Nick Le Lievre says...
>
> Apparently to playback 720p HD Flash of the kind you get on youtube you 
> need a special version of the flash player compatible with the ION 
> chipset, whereas a decent CULV CPU ie Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.3ghz should be 
> able to do it in the CPU alone.

You do talk some bollox sometimes.


-- 
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.