For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
reliable.

However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.

It is manufactured in China.

Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
China.


Duncan
-- 
Retrodata
www.retrodata.co.uk
Globally Local Data Recovery Experts

"Odiferous"  wrote in message 
news:487E29B8.5C5463FB@hotmail.com...
> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
> reliable.
>
> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>
> It is manufactured in China.
>
> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
> China.

How is Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 just ordered one some say it gets 5.9 in 
vista, my old Samsung HD501LJ got 5.8

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:02:48 +0100, Odiferous
 wrote:

>For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>reliable.
>
>However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>
>It is manufactured in China.
>
>Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
>China.
>
>
>Duncan

So on the basis on you having in one drive made in china you would not
trust drives made in china by samsung

Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company

wrote in message 
news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:02:48 +0100, Odiferous
>  wrote:
>
>>For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>>reliable.
>>
>>However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>>
>>It is manufactured in China.
>>
>>Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
>>China.
>>
>>
>>Duncan
>
> So on the basis on you having in one drive made in china you would not
> trust drives made in china by samsung
>
> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company


Is this a well-known troll?

Anyway, Duncan has consistently had trouble with drives made in China by 
other manufacturers, so this is a fair extrapolation of that much larger 
amount of data.

stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in 
news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:


> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
> 
> 

I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be said.

back under your bridge boy.


-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 David ~ Lincoln UK
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:17:43 +0100, "GB" 
wrote:

>
>
>Is this a well-known troll?
>
>Anyway, Duncan has consistently had trouble with drives made in China by 
>other manufacturers, so this is a fair extrapolation of that much larger 
>amount of data. 
>



So lets get this right samsung make brazillions of drive and one fails
and now its time to stop buying them what total tosh

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:02:43 UTC, stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:02:48 +0100, Odiferous
>  wrote:
> 
> >For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
> >reliable.
> >
> >However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
> >
> >It is manufactured in China.
> >
> >Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
> >China.
> >
> >
> >Duncan
> 
> So on the basis on you having in one drive made in china you would not
> trust drives made in china by samsung
> 
> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company

Hear hear.

-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:33:42 -0500, Grooove  wrote:

>stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in 
>news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:
>
>
>> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
>> 
>> 
>
>I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be said.
>
>back under your bridge boy.


trusted by who ?

you can think what you like got any facts on numbers ?


my reply still stands on the basis of one drive failing hardly
supports and trend in drives failing does it

"Bob Eager"  wrote in message 
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-uRF1NIBPJnZE@rikki.tavi.co.uk...
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:02:43 UTC, stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:02:48 +0100, Odiferous
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>> >reliable.
>> >
>> >However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>> >
>> >It is manufactured in China.
>> >
>> >Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
>> >China.
>> >
>> >
>> >Duncan
>>
>> So on the basis on you having in one drive made in china you would not
>> trust drives made in china by samsung
>>
>> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
>
> Hear hear.

Thats a bit unfair, I think. He recovered the essential data from a friend's 
hard disk and I've no doubt others here have used him successfully.

OTOH unfortunately, _all_ my recent disks have been Samsung (following a 
recommendation in this group) so I don't really to look to see if they were 
made in China :-)

On 16 Jul, 18:09, "Nick Le Lievre"
<nicklelie...@jerseymail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> How is Hitachi Deskstar P7K500 just ordered one some say it gets 5.9 in
> vista, my old Samsung HD501LJ got 5.8

That measures speed, not reliability.

The Hitachi P7K500 is a very fast hard disk. I've just backed
up a RAID-0 (2 x 750GB Seagate 7200.10, SATA-150, PCI interface)
onto one of them, and I was getting write speeds of 6GB/minute.

In article , Grooove says...
> stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in 
> news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:
> 
> 
> > Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
> > 
> > 
> 
> I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be said.
> 
Hardly. His comments do show he's a clueless fucktard though. 
Considering virtually all PC components now are made in China or its 
territories, is the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components 
altogether?



-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article , Odiferous says...
> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
> reliable.
> 
> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
> 
> It is manufactured in China.
> 
> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
> China.
> 
So what drive are you going to buy seeing as they're all made in China 
now? If you think WD and IBM are still made in the USA, you're a fool.


-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:17:43 +0100, "GB" 
> wrote:
> 
>>
>> Is this a well-known troll?
>>
>> Anyway, Duncan has consistently had trouble with drives made in China by 
>> other manufacturers, so this is a fair extrapolation of that much larger 
>> amount of data. 
>>
> 
> So lets get this right samsung make brazillions of drive and one fails
> and now its time to stop buying them what total tosh
> 

You might note that the subject says "Caution", so it's just a "bear in 
mind" post, there's really no need to fly off the handle.  However, the 
poster in question is, as far as I'm concerned, /the/ knowledge in the 
area, so I'm apt to keep his recommendations in mind.

-- 
[ste]

Conor  wrote in news:6e76eqF5mtfkU1
@mid.individual.net:


> Considering virtually all PC components now are made in China or its 
> territories, is the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components 
> altogether?
> 

He may be a little quick to judge in this case but I'm still inclined to 
trust the judgement of someone that deals with failing disks on a daily 
basis.
'Made in China' doesn't mean they all come from the same factory. 
Possibly one particular line is experiencing quality issues, as happened 
with the 'Deathstars'




-- 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 David ~ Lincoln UK
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Conor wrote:
> In article , Odiferous says...
>> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>> reliable.
>>
>> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>>
>> It is manufactured in China.
>>
>> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
>> China.
>>
> So what drive are you going to buy seeing as they're all made in China 
> now? If you think WD and IBM are still made in the USA, you're a fool.
> 
> 

Malaysia and Thailand are in China?


les...

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:01:58 -0500, Grooove  wrote:

>Conor  wrote in news:6e76eqF5mtfkU1
>@mid.individual.net:
>
>
>> Considering virtually all PC components now are made in China or its 
>> territories, is the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components 
>> altogether?
>> 
>
>He may be a little quick to judge in this case but I'm still inclined to 
>trust the judgement of someone that deals with failing disks on a daily 
>basis.



So How many drives have you sent to duncan then ? 


Duncan only gets to see broken drives so out of 100000 one drive goes
down and the rest are shit are they ?

what a load of crap

I have a maxtor drive in this pc , had for about 4 years yet everybody
tells me there shit , not once have I had any problems with it and its
running fine


Go search out google archives for the last 4 years and see how many
people had deathstars going belly up then you know theres a problem.
one  drive out out thousands dont mean theres a problem.

peace out

In article , Les Matthew 
says...

> Malaysia and Thailand are in China?
> 
All Indochina.

-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

In article ,  says...
> I have a maxtor drive in this pc , had for about 4 years yet everybody
> tells me there shit , not once have I had any problems with it and its
> running fine
> 
Likewise except its maybe a tad older than that. I've got a maxtor in 
my parents computer, which was my old one, that must be 7-8 years old 
now. I also had no issue with WD when they were supposed to be shite.

An associate of mine HAS sent a drive to Duncan but it only became 
faulty after a mains spike.



-- 
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't 
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Conor wrote:
> In article , Grooove says...
>> stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in
>> news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:
>>> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
>> I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be
>> said.
> His comments do show he's a clueless fucktard though.
> is the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components altogether?

A bit much IMO.

stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I have a maxtor drive in this pc , had for about 4 years yet everybody
> tells me there shit , not once have I had any problems with it and its
> running fine
> 
It's luck of the draw, I still have some old Deskstar GXP75s kicking 
around that work, but I wouldn't recommend them, coincodentally the last 
few maxtors I've had have all died (including a very expensive server 
drive that went bang, and so did it's replacement. Not to mention the 
one on my hosted machine).

I used to hink IBM drives were great but the first 2 I bought were DOA. 
(first 4GB drives I had).

Got 3 new Samsungs in yesterday, so far so good.

Conor wrote:
> In article , Grooove says...
>   
>> stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in 
>> news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be said.
>>
>>     
> Hardly. His comments do show he's a clueless fucktard though. 
> Considering virtually all PC components now are made in China or its 
> territories, is the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components 
> altogether?
>
>
>
>   
So - why this totally unnecessary abusive response to an expert who is 
sharing his opinion for the benefit of many - who may of course disregard.
I for one will be looking closely at 'made in...' and given a choice 
I'll take the ones made in nearby eastern countries such as Singapore or 
Taiwan.(oh - look at that - a PC component not made in China)

"DCA"  wrote in message 
news:aVAhk.1252$9%3.494@newsfe18.ams2...
> Conor wrote:
>> In article , Grooove says...
>>
>>> stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in 
>>> news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be said.
>>>
>>>
>> Hardly. His comments do show he's a clueless fucktard though. Considering 
>> virtually all PC components now are made in China or its territories, is 
>> the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components altogether?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> So - why this totally unnecessary abusive response to an expert who is 
> sharing his opinion for the benefit of many - who may of course disregard.
> I for one will be looking closely at 'made in...' and given a choice I'll 
> take the ones made in nearby eastern countries such as Singapore or 
> Taiwan.(oh - look at that - a PC component not made in China)

I know, given the choice of getting advice from someone who deals with 
faulty hard drives on a daily basis, and someone who says "Well i`ve had a 
deathstar for years and it`s OK", I`ll go with the expert each and every 
time!

Hmm, Off topic and not 1 net cop stating this fact
Rules are rules no matter who you are

What are you selling?
This group is called " uk.adverts.computer" for buying & selling
not giving personal reviews over hardware.

Please remove to home build as a more apropriate group

George



Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "DCA"  wrote in message 
> news:aVAhk.1252$9%3.494@newsfe18.ams2...
>> Conor wrote:
>>> In article , Grooove says...
>>>
>>>> stillnobodyhome@gmail.com wrote in 
>>>> news:lrds74lpv7aqpj48qf4vpadafm9op5qaa6@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well i would not trust you with my data or to run a company
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think Duncan's success and reputation says all that needs to be said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hardly. His comments do show he's a clueless fucktard though. 
>>> Considering virtually all PC components now are made in China or its 
>>> territories, is the fuckwit going to stop buying PC components 
>>> altogether?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> So - why this totally unnecessary abusive response to an expert who is 
>> sharing his opinion for the benefit of many - who may of course 
>> disregard.
>> I for one will be looking closely at 'made in...' and given a choice 
>> I'll take the ones made in nearby eastern countries such as Singapore 
>> or Taiwan.(oh - look at that - a PC component not made in China)
> 
> I know, given the choice of getting advice from someone who deals with 
> faulty hard drives on a daily basis, and someone who says "Well i`ve had 
> a deathstar for years and it`s OK", I`ll go with the expert each and 
> every time!

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:30:32 UTC, Big George  
wrote:

> 
> Hmm, Off topic and not 1 net cop stating this fact
> Rules are rules no matter who you are
> 
> What are you selling?
> This group is called " uk.adverts.computer" for buying & selling
> not giving personal reviews over hardware.
> 
> Please remove to home build as a more apropriate group

I didn't say anything because he tends to get abusive himself.

One reason why I tell people who ask me, to go elsewhere.
-- 
Bob Eager
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

Simon Finnigan wrote:
> 
> I know, given the choice of getting advice from someone who deals with 
> faulty hard drives on a daily basis, and someone who says "Well i`ve had 
> a deathstar for years and it`s OK", I`ll go with the expert each and 
> every time!

I thought I was the only one who said he has had a working deathstar for 
years, but I wasn't offering any advice. I was merely stating that on an 
individual basis some drives can last a lot longer than others.

Although I have one that has been working for years, I have had many 
others that have gone bang.

Currently, based on Duncans recommendation I have 5 Samsung drives 
currently running on my home machines. (HD501Js and HD502Js).

I have also recently as per his experience bought a seagate drive that 
lasted less than a fortnight.

My pile of spare HDs is getting quite big now.

"Thomas Kenyon"  wrote in message 
news:5DEhk.7625$5O6.2772@newsfe14.ams2...
> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>
>> I know, given the choice of getting advice from someone who deals with 
>> faulty hard drives on a daily basis, and someone who says "Well i`ve had 
>> a deathstar for years and it`s OK", I`ll go with the expert each and 
>> every time!
>
> I thought I was the only one who said he has had a working deathstar for 
> years, but I wasn't offering any advice. I was merely stating that on an 
> individual basis some drives can last a lot longer than others.

I wasn`t aiming that specific comment at you, just making more of a general 
point that someone who believes a deathstar to be a reliable drive simply 
because they`ve got one of the few that didn`t explode isn`t looking at the 
bigger picture.

> Although I have one that has been working for years, I have had many 
> others that have gone bang.
>
> Currently, based on Duncans recommendation I have 5 Samsung drives 
> currently running on my home machines. (HD501Js and HD502Js).
>
> I have also recently as per his experience bought a seagate drive that 
> lasted less than a fortnight.

Unfortunately that`s a risk you have to take with any drive :-)  But I would 
deffinately prefer to minimise my risks by buying drives that seem to fail 
less often than average.

"Big George"  wrote in message 
news:MvqdnU3Sua2wcRvVnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> Hmm, Off topic and not 1 net cop stating this fact
> Rules are rules no matter who you are
>
> What are you selling?
> This group is called " uk.adverts.computer" for buying & selling
> not giving personal reviews over hardware.
>
> Please remove to home build as a more apropriate group

Presumably you missing the briefing about top posting then, if you`re 
criticising other peoples posting technique?

Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "Big George"  wrote in message 
> news:MvqdnU3Sua2wcRvVnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> Hmm, Off topic and not 1 net cop stating this fact
>> Rules are rules no matter who you are
>>
>> What are you selling?
>> This group is called " uk.adverts.computer" for buying & selling
>> not giving personal reviews over hardware.
>>
>> Please remove to home build as a more apropriate group
>
> Presumably you missing the briefing about top posting then, if you`re 
> criticising other peoples posting technique?
you beat me to it
Hypocrites !

Thomas Kenyon wrote:
> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>
>> I know, given the choice of getting advice from someone who deals 
>> with faulty hard drives on a daily basis, and someone who says "Well 
>> i`ve had a deathstar for years and it`s OK", I`ll go with the expert 
>> each and every time!
>
> I thought I was the only one who said he has had a working deathstar 
> for years, but I wasn't offering any advice. I was merely stating that 
> on an individual basis some drives can last a lot longer than others.
>
> Although I have one that has been working for years, I have had many 
> others that have gone bang.
>
> Currently, based on Duncans recommendation I have 5 Samsung drives 
> currently running on my home machines. (HD501Js and HD502Js).
>
> I have also recently as per his experience bought a seagate drive that 
> lasted less than a fortnight.
>
> My pile of spare HDs is getting quite big now.
Eh? - he recommended you stay away from Seagate if they are version 10s 
made in China.

Les Matthew wrote:
> Conor wrote:
>> In article , Odiferous says...
>>> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>>> reliable.
>>>
>>> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>>>
>>> It is manufactured in China.
>>>
>>> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
>>> China.
>>>
>> So what drive are you going to buy seeing as they're all made in 
>> China now? If you think WD and IBM are still made in the USA, you're 
>> a fool.
>>
>>
>
> Malaysia and Thailand are in China?
>
>
> les...
And Singapore

DCA wrote:
> Les Matthew wrote:
>> Conor wrote:
>>> In article , Odiferous says...
>>>> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>>>> reliable.
>>>>
>>>> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>>>>
>>>> It is manufactured in China.
>>>>
>>>> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive manufactured in
>>>> China.
>>>>
>>> So what drive are you going to buy seeing as they're all made in 
>>> China now? If you think WD and IBM are still made in the USA, you're 
>>> a fool.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Malaysia and Thailand are in China?
>>
>>
>> les...
> And Singapore
oh - and Taiwan?

Conor wrote:
> In article , Les Matthew 
> says...
>
>   
>> Malaysia and Thailand are in China?
>>
>>     
> All Indochina.
>
>   
what crap you spout

DCA wrote:
> DCA wrote:
>> Les Matthew wrote:
>>> Conor wrote:
>>>> In article , Odiferous says...
>>>>> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>>>>> reliable.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is manufactured in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive
>>>>> manufactured in China.
>>>>>
>>>> So what drive are you going to buy seeing as they're all made in
>>>> China now? If you think WD and IBM are still made in the USA,
>>>> you're a fool.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Malaysia and Thailand are in China?
>>>
>>>
>>> les...
>> And Singapore
> oh - and Taiwan?

Don't let the Taiwanese hear you say that....


-- 
Cheerz - Brownz
'89 K100RS
'53 JCW MCS

Brownz @ Work wrote:
> DCA wrote:
>   
>> DCA wrote:
>>     
>>> Les Matthew wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Conor wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> In article , Odiferous says...
>>>>>           
>>>>>> For some time we have recommended Samsung drives as being the most
>>>>>> reliable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, we received one for recovery today - a newish HD161HJ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is manufactured in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a warning - I wouldn't trust even a Samsung drive
>>>>>> manufactured in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> So what drive are you going to buy seeing as they're all made in
>>>>> China now? If you think WD and IBM are still made in the USA,
>>>>> you're a fool.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Malaysia and Thailand are in China?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> les...
>>>>         
>>> And Singapore
>>>       
>> oh - and Taiwan?
>>     
>
> Don't let the Taiwanese hear you say that....
>
>
>   
What? I'm actually offering countries that are SFA to do with China in 
response to the bollox that they are all China - they'd be chuffed I 
recognise that!

DCA wrote:
> Thomas Kenyon wrote:
>>
>> I have also recently as per his experience bought a seagate drive that 
>> lasted less than a fortnight.

> Eh? - he recommended you stay away from Seagate if they are version 10s 
> made in China.

As per his experience, I bought one just before reading what he'd 
written and mine behaved as almost expected. Mind you, they sent a 
replacement nice and quickly.

Shame I don't have a use for it anymore.