Plenty of ebay of course , but I thought I'd ask on here if anyone has some 
for sale.
I could do with half a dozen or so

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"jasee"  wrote in message 
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> Bob Eager wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:21:30 UTC, Raj Kundra  wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 4, 11:59 pm, "Bob Eager"  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:29:20 UTC, Raj Kundra 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Why would you use one of these on personal computer?
>>>>> They use kettle cable, this is cloverleaf (micky mouse/C5) cable,
>>>>> mainly used on laptop PSU's.
>
>> I'm sure you're right. If it's an ATX PSU, it has to conform to the
>> spec - so no cloverleaf connector.
>
> It's a pity they didn't: it would have stopped some people calling them 
> kettle leads!

They are Kettle leads though, otherwise they would just be called mickey 
mouse leads

Essex Laptops - Andy Usher wrote:
> "jasee"  wrote in message 

>> It's a pity they didn't: it would have stopped some people calling them 
>> kettle leads!
> 
> They are Kettle leads though, otherwise they would just be called mickey 
> mouse leads 
> 

Yeah, but the ones in question are typically keyed so they won't fit a 
kettle....

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"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Essex Laptops - Andy Usher wrote:
>> "jasee"  wrote in message
>
>>> It's a pity they didn't: it would have stopped some people calling them 
>>> kettle leads!
>>
>> They are Kettle leads though, otherwise they would just be called mickey 
>> mouse leads
>
> Yeah, but the ones in question are typically keyed so they won't fit a 
> kettle....
>

No you have that wrong, the ones with slats in are not made for PC's and not 
called kettle leads they are usually found in specialist equipment like 
Sewing machines and other stuff, they hold a lot more value than a kettle 
lead which can be used in any ATX PSU

"Essex Laptops - Andy Usher"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:6dcvccF20aj9U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Essex Laptops - Andy Usher wrote:
>>> "jasee"  wrote in message
>>
>>>> It's a pity they didn't: it would have stopped some people calling them 
>>>> kettle leads!
>>>
>>> They are Kettle leads though, otherwise they would just be called mickey 
>>> mouse leads
>>
>> Yeah, but the ones in question are typically keyed so they won't fit a 
>> kettle....
>>
>
> No you have that wrong, the ones with slats in are not made for PC's and 
> not called kettle leads they are usually found in specialist equipment 
> like Sewing machines and other stuff, they hold a lot more value than a 
> kettle lead which can be used in any ATX PSU

kettle leads which can safely carry the full thirteen amps are keyed. The 
kettle socket is also keyed. Although kettle leads can be used in 
eurosockets as fitted to computer power supplies, ordinary europlugs (which 
are fitted on mains leads for use with computers) can't be used on kettles.

jasee wrote:
> "Essex Laptops - Andy Usher"  wrote in message 
> news:g4t32h$31hj$1@energise.enta.net...
>> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:6dcvccF20aj9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Essex Laptops - Andy Usher wrote:
>>>> "jasee"  wrote in message
>>>>> It's a pity they didn't: it would have stopped some people calling them 
>>>>> kettle leads!
>>>> They are Kettle leads though, otherwise they would just be called mickey 
>>>> mouse leads
>>> Yeah, but the ones in question are typically keyed so they won't fit a 
>>> kettle....
>>>
>> No you have that wrong, the ones with slats in are not made for PC's and 
>> not called kettle leads they are usually found in specialist equipment 
>> like Sewing machines and other stuff, they hold a lot more value than a 
>> kettle lead which can be used in any ATX PSU
> 
> kettle leads which can safely carry the full thirteen amps are keyed. The 
> kettle socket is also keyed. Although kettle leads can be used in 
> eurosockets as fitted to computer power supplies, ordinary europlugs (which 
> are fitted on mains leads for use with computers) can't be used on kettles. 
> 
> 


Not quite. The keyed plugs are "hot" connectors (C15) - so named because 
they can handle 100degC. A standard connector (C13) is only good for 
70degC - a temperature that could easily be exceeded in something like a 
kettle.

Both  C13 and C15 designs are good for 10A*. Neither are good for 13A - 
which is why kettles with these plugs take longer to boil. Their element 
is only a couple of kW, rather than the 3kW possible with a 
directly-wired "cordless" kettle.

*If you look at the markings on both of these types of plug, you will 
see that both are marked "10A"

--
Sue

In message , jasee 
 writes


>> No you have that wrong, the ones with slats in are not made for PC's and
>> not called kettle leads they are usually found in specialist equipment
>> like Sewing machines and other stuff, they hold a lot more value than a
>> kettle lead which can be used in any ATX PSU
>
>kettle leads which can safely carry the full thirteen amps are keyed. The
>kettle socket is also keyed. Although kettle leads can be used in
>eurosockets as fitted to computer power supplies, ordinary europlugs (which
>are fitted on mains leads for use with computers) can't be used on kettles.

I believe the different design is because genuine kettle leads must be 
very short, I believe the maximum legal length in Europe is 0.5 metres 
or so. It's so that a kettle plugged into a wall socket can't be pulled 
off of a work surface, because the cable won't reach.


-- 
Bernard Peek
London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author.

Palindrome wrote:
> jasee wrote:
>> "Essex Laptops - Andy Usher"  wrote in
>> message news:g4t32h$31hj$1@energise.enta.net...
>>> "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:6dcvccF20aj9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Essex Laptops - Andy Usher wrote:
>>>>> "jasee"  wrote in message
>>>>>> It's a pity they didn't: it would have stopped some people
>>>>>> calling them kettle leads!
>>>>> They are Kettle leads though, otherwise they would just be called
>>>>> mickey mouse leads
>>>> Yeah, but the ones in question are typically keyed so they won't
>>>> fit a kettle....
>>>>
>>> No you have that wrong, the ones with slats in are not made for
>>> PC's and not called kettle leads they are usually found in
>>> specialist equipment like Sewing machines and other stuff, they
>>> hold a lot more value than a kettle lead which can be used in any
>>> ATX PSU
>>
>> kettle leads which can safely carry the full thirteen amps are
>> keyed. The kettle socket is also keyed. Although kettle leads can be
>> used in eurosockets as fitted to computer power supplies, ordinary
>> europlugs (which are fitted on mains leads for use with computers)
>> can't be used on kettles.
>
>
> Not quite. The keyed plugs are "hot" connectors (C15) - so named
> because they can handle 100degC. A standard connector (C13) is only
> good for 70degC - a temperature that could easily be exceeded in
> something like a kettle.
>
> Both  C13 and C15 designs are good for 10A*. Neither are good for 13A
> - which is why kettles with these plugs take longer to boil. Their
> element is only a couple of kW, rather than the 3kW possible with a
> directly-wired "cordless" kettle.
>
> *If you look at the markings on both of these types of plug, you will
> see that both are marked "10A"

Yes, I had forgotten this, also they shouldn't be called Europlugs anyway. 
That refers to the standard 13amp main plug which has been similarly 
bastardised over the years.

IEC mains connectors is probably better for the former. Though a lot of 
plugs and sockets _are_ theoretically IEC connectors (Even the cloverleaf is 
an IEC approved design). There is another variation of this type of plug 
which is differently keyed _again_ and will pass the full 13amps and is used 
for instance in theatrical lighting. They are all horrible anyway, why 
'they' couldn't design a single plug which was capable of carying the full 
13amps in the first place. It was immediately obvious when first introduced 
that it was a poor design.

However plugs without keys should not been called kettle leads.

jasee wrote:
<snip>
> However plugs without keys should not been called kettle leads.
> 
> 
You are fighting a lost war there. Vacuum cleaners shouldn't be called 
"Hoovers". Technicians shouldn't be called engineers. Windows shouldn't 
be called an operating system. But, what are you going to do about it?

However, in this case and in this group, "kettle lead" isn't likely to 
lead to confusion or ambiguity. If your computer kit is running with a 
case temperature of >70 deg C, then you possibly have other worries than 
whether the mains plug has a notch in it...

--
Sue

Palindrome wrote:
> jasee wrote:
> <snip>
>> However plugs without keys should not been called kettle leads.
>>
>>
> You are fighting a lost war there. Vacuum cleaners shouldn't be called 
> "Hoovers". Technicians shouldn't be called engineers. Windows shouldn't 
> be called an operating system. But, what are you going to do about it?
> 
> However, in this case and in this group, "kettle lead" isn't likely to 
> lead to confusion or ambiguity. If your computer kit is running with a 
> case temperature of >70 deg C, then you possibly have other worries than 
> whether the mains plug has a notch in it...
> 
> -- 
> Sue

Also a lot of the cheapo kettles I have seen for sale do not have the 
key in the chassis plug so will accept a non keyed IEC cable.  So in 
these cases a computer power lead would fit in these cheapo kettles 
although this is not recommended.

-- 
Tim Phipps

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In article , jasee
 writes

>There is another variation of this type of plug 
>which is differently keyed _again_ and will pass the full 13amps and is used 
>for instance in theatrical lighting.

C19/C20.  rated for 16A.

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